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Hazbin Hotel (Season 2): Redeeming Sinners, Rising to Power & Making Deals with Devils
A slow burn turns into a blaze. We dive into Hazbin Hotel season two with clear eyes on the pacing, the swelling songbook, and the moment the story finally bares its teeth. The hotel’s mission to prove redemption collides with Vox’s media-fueled uprising, and what starts as a PR war spirals into weaponized fear, broken alliances, and a fight that leaves scars.
We unpack Angel Dust’s most human moment yet—his past, his guilt, and the devastating brainwashing twist that forces a heartbreaking choice. From there, the action kicks into gear: a sharp rematch that lets Nifty steal scenes, Husk land killer lines, and choreography remind us how good this team is when fists and feelings fly. Along the way, we spotlight the soundtrack debate—more songs than season one but fewer instant classics—while celebrating the standouts and the smart musical callbacks that stitch seasons together.
The lore flexes hard. Sir Pentious, Vox, and Alastor each get rich backstory beats, but it’s Alastor’s contract gambit that detonates expectations. We follow the wordplay, the double-deal crash, and the explosive theory that Rosie’s golden magic hints at a hidden identity. Add Lucifer’s well‑meant blunders, a near-miss crossover that lingers in the margins, and a final phone call that yanks the floor out, and you’ve got a season that tests patience early and rewards attention late.
Hit play for a grounded, spoiler-rich review that cuts through the noise: what works, what wobbles, and what sets up a ferocious season three. If you’re into character-driven chaos, sharp worldbuilding, and villains who weaponize contracts and screens, this one’s for you!
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What up, gang? Let's talk about Hasden Hotel season two. And I'm gonna be honest with you. It was kind of slow for me in the first half, but by the time we got to the second half of the eight episode count, it started to ramp up. So as far as the five-star or five playing rating that I gave it last time on season one, I wanna say it still got it. It still got it. It just one of those shows where if it's not for you, then you might not feel the same as I do. But I feel like they they're going somewhere with it. Like there were some theories that I had that got debunked, but then they went in a direction that I'm really enjoying. And Tenara, I thank you for being on with me for this review. So let's just go ahead and zone right in on it. Uh starters, Tanara, how are you feeling about the season?
SPEAKER_05:Well, like you were saying, you know, it definitely started out real slow. Like, real slow. I had a friend over to watch the last two episodes that hadn't watched the rest, so we watched the rest first. And he was like, honestly, I was sort of nodding off a little bit there at the beginning, but then they fucking came in and it picked up fast.
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SPEAKER_01:Um see, that's why I'm glad I didn't set up like doing the whole uh two episode drop that they were doing per week, and I was like, okay, yeah, like I can kind of understand better what was going on because I would have been like disappointed if I just kept up with uh two episodes at a time.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Honestly, like I was like, you know, I'm gonna stick with it because you know, who knows, maybe it gets better, and it fucking did. But it was it was just like, okay, really? This is this is what we've been waiting for. Um but yeah, no, and for the most part, the music was just not the greatest. Like season one definitely did the music better, but fucking gravity obviously was fucking fantastic. Um, I've had that on my phone and on repeat. Um, and you know, a couple of the later songs as well were were were fine, but yeah, for the most part, season one definitely had the better music of the two. Um and um, like you said, there's a lot of theories going around and stuff, and a lot of stuff got debunked, but a lot of stuff is now sprouting up because of other stuff that happened during season one or season two, so it's like you know, but that's how it is with like any show, you know, there's always gonna be theories, and sometimes some will get debunked, and then others will pop up to replace those ones, and so it's like so. That's you know, pretty normal for any series, I feel like. Um but yeah, so it was it was overall, you know, like said, like we both said, slow start, pretty solid finish, and of course leaving us on a fucking cliffhanger, though. Um gotta keep that interest for season three, so right.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, they already got like season three and four, so we're really just waiting for the boys done. Yeah, I really want to know how, because I think they're still trying to do a Hasman Hotel and Hell of a Boss crossover. So I'm wondering if they're gonna be like a separate special, or is uh Hell of a Boss season three gonna tie into Hasm Hotel, or will Hasman Hotel like have some of that Hell of a Boss characters uh coming in? Because at this point, what happens in season two, it's like, okay, the other princes of hell and whatnot, they gotta get involved at so.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I mean, uh, and honestly, both Leah and I were a little surprised that none of them showed up because we got the announcement before we got, you know, the season the season two that Amazon now has both of them, so there is possibility for crossover. So honestly, uh Leah and I were both very a little confused on how none of the other sins showed up during all this literal hell uprising, because that's a pretty fucking big deal. So you'd think the others would take notice and be like, um we gotta go see what's going on here and whatnot.
SPEAKER_01:Like the whole thing with Boggs trying to be king of hell and whatnot, trying to take over heaven and whatnot. And then you're like wonder with the other seven, with the other six princes, excuse me, because it's kind of weird with Lucifer, by the way, because on the one hand, he's one of the seven princes, but he's the king of hell at the same time.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, like the biggest, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But in hell of boss, like they made it look like uh Satan was the big uh bad. So I'm like wondering, was the well maybe maybe it gets cleared up later on.
SPEAKER_05:We we got those we saw those looks between B and um and Ozzy when Satan was saying, you know, I ruled the dark before the golden angels fall, and he's like, I'm in charge. And the the look those two gave, they know they know what he was spouting bullshit. Well, Lucy's been gone, but he's not the big the big dog in hell. Like, no, that is that is Lucy. He is the king of hell, he is the leader of the sins, so yeah, so it's it's it's just the fact that none of them showed up in this was a little odd to us. Um, I mean, but we did see, you know, Val in this season had a Robo fizzy, so that's you know, the first little thing. So it's like we could we got a little glimpse of a crossover, but that was about it. We were we were very surprised about the others not showing up.
SPEAKER_01:Uh shout out to Leah, by the way, but uh, since I know she's a fan of Anastasia, uh, I was wondering, were you and Leah surprised when the voice actor for Anastasia Liz Callaway was the speaker of God?
SPEAKER_05:The voice actor for um for Anastasia and for Odette in The Swan Princess. And a lot of us we were both like Yeah, we were like, we were both like, oh hell yeah. That was that was pretty cool. It's like because you know, those are both, you know, pretty old movies, so it's like it was cool to hear that again. It was like, oh my god, okay, awesome.
SPEAKER_01:Another one that surprised the hell out of me was Abel's voice actor, Patrick Stump, is the lead vocalist for Fall Eye. Whoa, hold on.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, he is. Fuck yeah, he is. I know. I was like, hell yes.
SPEAKER_00:Uh whoa, hold on. I'm like, okay, and he got he did a little thing. I'm like, okay, okay, I can hear it. I can be like, oh shit, okay.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it's like we didn't get much singing from him until he's telling Lou, you know, stand the fuck down. And that that that scene when he finally fucking stood up to her, I was like, fucking finally, oh my god. Yep, exactly. And she was just like, oh shit, all right, I done fucked up. Sorry.
SPEAKER_01:He gave up the same energy uh from Jacob during that last or second last Twilight movie where he finally stood up to Sam and became an alpha on his own pack and whatnot. It almost had that same energy, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:It was just like, yeah, no, because and you know, he had that that bit of a freak out before he did finally stand up to her, and it's like, oh god, please tell me he's actually gonna do some shit instead of just letting this go. And he did, so I was like, I was very happy about it.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not a fighter type like my dad. I'm more like the political type, you know, I'm more of a passion, you know. And then Peter was like, Oh, you know, I just wash the door, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_05:It's like yeah, that was just I just washed the door, man. I don't know. It's like this I can't be mad at him. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But yeah, no, that definitely, definitely heard that that follow out come out during that that scene. It was like, yeah, there it is. There it fucking is. Because yeah, no, I had I, you know, seen beforehand that that was who was voicing Abel, and I was like, oh, okay, this could be interesting, and yeah, no, it definitely brought it out there in the end. Like, ah, yes. But yeah, no, like some surprising, you know, surprising voice talent there. Like, like I said, you know, both Swan Princess and um Anastasia are such are there at this point, they're they're such old movies that it was just like hearing that again was just like, oh, that was that was good. I love that was I approve.
SPEAKER_01:You know what? Speaking of musical numbers, uh we got more, I dare say we have more musical numbers than season one to where we had like okay, there's two in the first episode, three in the second, two in the third, uh, three in the fourth, uh, another three in the fifth, another three in the sixth, three in the seventh, and one in the eighth. So I'm like a little bit because the first season had like at least two each. So I'm like, they kind of packed it in with the uh and also even like aside from the original numbers that they had, there were like some echoes to some of the older songs, like uh lose your baby and sorry.
SPEAKER_05:Yep, yeah, and I guess um someone had pointed out that when Alistair was going to Rosie's after quitting the the hotel, the song he was humming was um Hell's Greatest Dad.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I guess he was actually humming Lucy's part, which that was just hilarious.
SPEAKER_01:They they kind of did it too uh with uh stay gone between Alistair and Boston. So, like, yeah, you kind of give it a lot of all that, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Yep, yeah, it was it was nice to hear in like the just like it when it was for the most part, it was mostly just like background stuff, which was nice to hear and like I know that tune. It's like oh fuck, it's that song from season one. Yeah, like oh yeah, so yeah, no, it definitely was heavier on the music, but like I said, it was a bit lackluster in the music until like towards the end there, so yeah, like you know what?
SPEAKER_01:Let's go ahead and talk about that real quick because I want to say, Don't you forget, I like that one. Like, honestly, the uh I'm gonna be honest with you, you know those songs that sound super Disney. I wasn't there for that. I I'm sorry, but I I just wasn't there for that. But when you know you got those uh the rock songs and shit, I was like, okay, okay, one on one. I like it, I like it. Uh I like Don't You Forget. Uh I I think it was Fox Copperly that was pretty good. Okay. Uh Losing Streak. Love in a Bottle was okay. Uh oh, bro, Angel does number. Fucking uh dressed like fucking Jessica Rabbin.
SPEAKER_05:Yep, yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_01:And I like how that one dude was like, uh, I'm not gay for liking this.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, the guy at the end, like that I uh that doesn't make me gay, does it? I'm not gay, right? Maybe I'm gay. Like, oh my god. No, no, no. No, no, no, the whole thing there.
SPEAKER_01:Nothing's gay about liking the performance. But if you suddenly have an attraction to Angel Does for that, then I don't know, man. I don't know if it can help me with that with your kids.
SPEAKER_05:Yep, yep. It was like, okay, yeah, but that was just funny going through the whole thing. Like that doesn't make me gay, does it? I'm not gay. Uh and it's like maybe I'm gay. Just that that rambling. It's like, yeah, that was that was pretty funny. And but yeah, no, when when Angel first came on the the thing, and you know, we did husk didn't see didn't see his face yet, and he was like, he was like, all right, and then he sees you know the fucking face when he turned and he's like, Angel, like what the fuck? It's like, yeah, no. That was that was pretty that was that was that was a fun scene.
SPEAKER_01:All right, let's go ahead and dive into the plot and talk about the carries while we're at it. Uh, so essentially with season two doing some little uh follow-off from season one where a month after beat up the exorcist, the hotel's popular due to this misconceived belief that the sinners would be gathered there to kill the angels, but you know, Charlie's whole thing is uh redemption. And they were trying to prove that Serpentius uh actually worked, and you know, he's already up in heaven, so it was really a matter of trying to prove that sinners can be redeemed. And Charlie was going out her way trying to uh replicate what made Serpentius go to heaven, but uh Angel does, but like, no, no, no. Uh you gotta redeem from your own sins, and we find out that Angel does kill his dad. I'm like, oh damn, like yeah, damn.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, like, I was surprised at first when you know it was revealed that that was Angel's big sin, but then Leah pointed out, it's like we knew he was in the mob, so it's like that was not shouldn't be all that surprising. It's like, okay, yeah, I know that makes sense.
SPEAKER_01:That reminds me of Moxie because I keep thinking like ever since season one of Pelba Boss, where he was like, Oh, well, I can understand if you were trying to assassinate uh City Dad or a mob boss, and then you um watch season two, like, oh, you know what? What he said in season one makes sense now, and you know, uh, to be fair, uh, Crimson did kill uh Moxie's mom. So it's more like one of those things where like he probably really wants to take out his dad. So I might it's it's kind of strange that uh parallel in there.
SPEAKER_05:Yep, yeah, no, it's like so yeah, so it's like, yeah, no, it's it's you know, it makes sense that you know murder would be his big sin, because like said he was in the mob, and that's sort of what they do. So um, but yeah, it's like the yeah, but that that that whole scene there with you know Charlie Deween being like the villain dude, whatever, and it was like it was just Charlie very much seemed to be more off the rails this season than she was in season one.
SPEAKER_01:Like listen, like she's still a cinnamon bum, but yeah, like she just tweaking for the most part.
SPEAKER_05:She was like tweaking even more season two, yeah, and it's just like I and at first, you know, I I was thinking like my favorite line originally until we got to this. My actual favorite line um was you know, when she was telling Hus to get off the tracks, and he's like, Oh great, yes, I'd love to, except you tie me to the fucking tracks, and it's like Keith Davis had a lot of fun with that one. Um but then you know that because that was I was like, okay, I think that might be my favorite line of this of the of the season, and then we got um Val saying, I'm from fucking Florida, and throwing his drink, and it's like, nope, that's my favorite line right there. Just I'm from fucking Florida.
SPEAKER_01:It's like talking about being very crazy with talking about oh uh with that your island language.
SPEAKER_05:I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, like there's a lot of places that speak Spanish, but like yeah, no, and and and Leah was like, she was like, please, she was like waiting for like a cup or something to be thrown at at Vox, and then she was like, Oh, I guess it's not gonna happen. And then right after she said said that was that that I'm from fucking Florida, smash, and she's like, There it is, there it is, I love it. But yeah, no, it's like and until that happened, but until until that happened, that um husk's line there, I have tied to the fucking tracks was my favorite until until that one happened. So, but yeah, it was that that that was everyone's like, oh, you know, I I've been hearing a lot of stuff where people are like, oh, you know, Keith David's, you know, must have just been, you know, not enjoying himself. And it's like, are you kidding me? Have you not been hearing you know what?
SPEAKER_01:I love how he's getting more work between coming back for Ricky Morty as President Kurt, even getting his own spin-off based off the character. So I'm like, I'm probably happy for Keith David getting more work.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, yeah, yeah. It's it's awesome seeing him more, so yeah. Um, but yeah, like I was surprised, like, like I said, a lot of people are saying, Oh, you know, he must be, you know, not enjoying this all that much. And it's like, you kidding? Have you not been hearing this? He's having a blast.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's like Jim Carrey coming back for a Sonic movie to where I'm like, you don't really care for Hollywood that much, but hey man, if you gotta uh screwed up for a new Sonic movie, he might show up.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, like he had been fucking retired. He was like, you know, I'm retiring, and then he comes back for Sonic, and he's like, and then he comes back for Sonic 2, and then for Sonic, he's like, what the heck? He just, you know, when you when you when you love what you love, you come back for it. Yeah, so but yeah, no, it was just yeah, but yeah, what else is about this vlog?
SPEAKER_01:Uh we got Baxter, who's like uh a mad scientist who was Trpenti's partner, I mean excuse me, uh lab partner. Yeah, you gotta get a major by that.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah. And it was like, I know a lot of people were excited for Baxter. I guess he was in some um of the like the old artwork and whatnot, and so people were excited for him. But it's like, yeah, he was there, but it didn't until the whole hacking bit, like he wasn't really doing all that much. Like he helped, you know, he helped nifty with her roach band. Um and it was it was cute seeing them in the background doing patty cake during a couple of the scenes, but it's like I feel like um those that were really, really waiting for him might have been a little disappointed in just how little he seemed to really matter until the till the like until the hacking bit. Um but yeah, no, he was he was definitely a very anticipated character, and I feel like the the next aside from Lilith, the next really anticipated character is probably Rue. Um the root of all evil um character. Um but yeah, it's like I feel like he was he was very much anticipated, and I feel like it just sort of for those that were you know excitedly waiting for that, might have been felt might have felt a little bit let down.
SPEAKER_01:But you know what I wasn't let down by the Lord drops between Serpentius, Alistair, and Vox.
SPEAKER_05:Now, yeah, we got a lot of fucking background in this season. It was like I was like, hell yes, give me more.
SPEAKER_01:So with Serpentius, his thing was he had a client that he knew murder someone, and then he pretty much let five or supposed five other murders slide. And yeah, it's yeah, supposedly, but you know, Vivian said that oh well, I wasn't trying to it's not Jack the Ripper exactly, but oh really?
SPEAKER_05:I didn't I didn't know she said that.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, she was she was trying to avoid it being like actual based on actual people, you know, for like reasons, you know. So it's more like use your imagination and go, okay. Well, it looked like Jack the Ripper, and if you want to say like it could have been anybody, but with the way he was dressing the fact that he only took women is like okay, like and was never caught.
SPEAKER_05:I straight okay, I did not realize she had said that. I straight up thought that that was supposed to be Jack the Ripper. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, not exactly. It could have been anybody, but like I didn't want to at least reveal it. So yeah, uh essentially that that was his thing, like he just let murder slide when he could have done something about it, and you know how he redeemed himself, he sacrificed himself uh for Sherry and the rest of the rest of the crew.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Now Vox, I'm not even surprised by Vox. Basically, just a dude that was trying to climb the ladder, even resorting to murder to get to the top. And then ironically, which actually kind of funny is like TV drops on his head, and that's how he died.
SPEAKER_05:I mean that fucking killed me. I was like, huh!
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but the one that surprised me the most was Alistair's backstory and the fact that my theory of oh, I thought Lilith was controlling Alistair. No, no, no, it was actually Rosie.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, but you know, there's a lot of theories going around that Rosie is Lilith. Because, you know, I mean, we we see, you know, her chains and her magic, they're golden, which we've only seen from you know the royal family of hell. So it's like there's a lot of theories that she is Lilith, and that's why she's so invested in the hotel and whatnot, and why she helped out, you know, sort of from a distance, but you know, she lent the cannibals to her. So it's like yeah, and so like I know we you know we keep seeing glimpses of her, but we never actually see her Lilith's face in any of the parts, so it's like there's a lot of theories that Rosie is Lilith because a lot of it is because of that golden magic, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So you know what? I swear to God, if you validate my theory, I will thank you when we see season three or four, depending on if it happens. Because uh, I was like thinking like it would make so much sense considering that okay, like imagine Alistair, he just wanna be like the strongest in hell. Like at the very least, he was a radio host in the 30s, and he he gave off Hira Yoshikage vibe from uh Joe Dill Part 4, where it's like he seemed like a normal dude, he just got this one thing going on, which is you know, you like to murder people and worship, yeah. Um you know, that sort of thing.
SPEAKER_05:Uh so it's almost like it's like I I I love Alistair, yeah. But it's like, and everyone being like, oh, you know, it he it's got there's gotta be more to it than you know, this person just spilled a drink on him, and so he killed him. It's like no, especially later on, it's like with how he's acting, it's like no, there was no other reason other than you know, this person spilt a drink on him, so they he he killed him. It's like Alistair, he is not a good person, like at all. So it's like it's all the people trying to defend and be like, oh, you know, the the person must have been like a maltreater or something, or it's like, no, that's literally just you know that the the reasoning for Alistair killing him is just spilled a drink on him and stuff. It's like he didn't he just enjoyed killing. You know, uh hence why you know when he got to hell, he just kept on killing. He just loves killing. It's like so um it's like yeah, no, I I I do I do like Alistair, but he is not a good person at all. Like, and we know now it's like the only reason he was helping out the hotel was because of his deal, which whatever whatever the deal ended up being. Uh, I mean, obviously, you know, his the side um that was given to him was that you know he would be the most powerful sinner in all hell. Um but it's like we don't know exactly what his part of the deal was, what what it was that Rosie had him doing exactly. Like we assume that she's that she's the reason he was gone for those seven years, but we don't know what that reason is. So it's like but yeah, it's it's yeah, he is just he is not he is not a good person at all.
SPEAKER_01:So with uh Alistair, I I I love how he essentially killed three birds at once, or at least he kind of tied three things at once at the end, to where how okay, you remember in season one where he made that deal with Charlie, to where, like, okay, just do me one little favor somewhere in the future, don't worry, nobody gotta get hurt and whatnot. And then we cashed in on it on season two, where everything, when uh boss thought he had it all, and we're gonna talk about the way Fox kind of worked his way up to the top in a moment. But like, I just want to talk about how with Alistair he had this whole plan to where he chose to surrender himself to Bob so that way you can make a deal with Boss where, like, okay, I'll uh surrender myself to you um without a fight. In exchange, you let uh Nefty and Hunts go, and also don't lay your hands on Charlie Morningstar. And I love the uh the wordplay on that too, to where like, oh well, I didn't hurt her, like, yeah, yeah, hold on. But I said, Don't lay your hands on her. I'm like, you gonna get me over work less? Hey, hey, hey, you're the one who um wrote the contract. Exactly. It was like the one favor that uh Alistair wanted Charlie to do was okay, you know what, Charlie? Go ahead, tell him. Tell him he's the strongest sinner in hell.
SPEAKER_05:The most powerful sinner, and it's like I gotta, I gotta admit, I did not see that coming. I thought it was gonna be, you know, with the whole not laying a hand on Charlie. I I I I interpreted that as the same way Vox is did, that he wasn't allowed to hurt her. And so I thought that was what Alistair was going with here, going towards here was just to have you know Vox break that deal by by just having Charlie be herself and Vox getting frustrated and like striking her or something, and then that would have avoided that. But then he had fucking Charlie you, you know, he used the deal he made with Charlie to make her say, you know, that Vox was the most powerful sinner, and then break that broke, you know, his deal with Rosie because that was his that was his deal, was that he would be the strongest, and he's no longer the strongest. It's like I did not see that coming. I thought it was just gonna be breaking the deal with Vox, but then it broke that one, and then he Vox you know laid his hand on Charlie, literally just put his hands on her shoulders and was like, holy shit.
SPEAKER_01:And as soon as all that shit happened, not only did he became unbound, but Rosie came back, was like, I don't appreciate you, uh warm yourself out of the deal. And I was like, Yeah, well, whatever, but uh, if you want me to help them, uh save hell and whatnot, the weapon going off, or like you need to do me with this soul and fix my staff. So I'm like, so he breaks the deal and gets full power right after that. So it's almost like he was only the quote unquote second strongest and break the deal. So then he will get the full power and be like, oh well, I'm number one again.
SPEAKER_05:Yep, exactly. And that that that scene also was another another reason that I'm thinking that Rosie is Lilith, because it's like if if that that wasn't the case, why would she do it's like why would Rosie care that, you know, why would she care that Alistair helps anymore at that point? So it's like, yeah, no, I I am very firmly on the Rosie is Lilith train at this point. Like just every little thing, it's like okay, there's no unless she's Lilith, there's no reason for any of this. So it's so yeah, but yeah, no, him paying, oh you know, I can just I I can just leave them be, you know, but I will help them if you fix my fucking staff, and um, but yeah, so it's just like yeah. Yep, just like I said, another point towards Rosie is love.
SPEAKER_01:Because that would tie some things up to a point where, like, some of the plot lines that they were going for, like it would tie things up more neatly that way. So I wanna believe it, but like, okay, let's not invest too hard until we see season three and four. But I want to, but um another thing that's unbelievable, boxes rise to powers where essentially, in typical journalist news reporter fashion, they were twisting Turley's words and everybody else's words to where, okay, obviously the people of heaven are gonna try to strike us again. We need to rise up against uh the angels of heaven and build a weapon powerful enough to wipe them out. But you know, he was trying to do this whole rally, trying to be this uh at first, it seemed like a nice candidate for um leading hell, but then you kind of see that okay, uh the mask is like slowly dropping as it goes.
SPEAKER_05:Uh and like he he wasn't he did not enjoy sharing power basically with the other two Vs. Like that was it.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, we won.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah, we us. You know, trust us, uh-huh. And it's like the you know, he should have known, like, if Vox were actually a smart person, he would have seen, you know, Alistair turning himself in, like, nah, nah, what what what are you up to? What's what's really going on here? And it's like, you know, Alistair being there allowed him to sort of start driving wedges between the other two and Vox. And so it's like, and it's just yeah, it's like not a very smart move on Vox's part, not realizing that, you know, why is he suddenly just giving up? What's actually going on here?
SPEAKER_01:And you know what's kind of crazy now thing about it? Uh Vox had two spies at the hotel. At first it was fucking yeah, like the obvious one was serpentious, but then you know, that got resolved within the uh second episode of the first season. So yeah. But then we come to find out that Angel Dust was being hypnotized by Vox um to spy on the hotel, and like, ugh, like yeah, that was just like that was just oh my god, that was heartbreaking.
SPEAKER_05:It was just oh, yeah, that was that was not a fun time finding that shit out. It's like it was like some Jessica Jones type shit. Yeah, it's just like I have not, no, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Well, uh, imagine this. Uh imagine a superhero, but she's going up against this nemesis where I think they're also lovers, but it's a weird situation where, like, essentially uh the purple man, played by David Tennant, by the way. Uh he had this power to hypnotize. So, in other words, like he had her doing a whole bunch of things that she just don't remember. It's like imagine being blackout drunk during all the murders that he might have committed, all the um um um other activities that he might have you doing, you know, while you're hypnotized, like, oh you're not gonna remember this. I can do whatever I want with you. That's my thing.
SPEAKER_05:Yep. That was yeah, oof, and then the leave that leading to the ending where everyone's like, what the fuck? Why? Yeah, it's yeah, you know, just him being, you know, I am a danger to you all. I can't, I can't go back now that I know you know they're using me against you. I don't want that to be a thing, so it's like I gotta, I gotta just go with them and stay away from y'all because I'm a danger to you. Like, oh my god, angel, why?
SPEAKER_01:Yep, so expect us to see the bees again. It's gonna be uh saving private rhyme type situation, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And it's like I just when when Velvet and Val both just sort of you know ripped Vox's head off and just left the body and walked off with with you know the TV screen head, and he's just like, wait, wait, what?
SPEAKER_01:Like, I like how Val was like, uh uh, no, no, we done, we done squash this shit. We are done, we are out, okay?
SPEAKER_05:Yep, I am done with mostly yeah, exactly. I was very surprised that they were all just allowed to just walk away like that. Like, it's like obviously these these three are dangerous, especially Vox. And it's like I'm I was I was very surprised they were allowed to just walk away like that.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, it's it's kind of like saying, Yeah, it's fucked up, but it's not off brand for sinners.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, but like that was to the extreme.
SPEAKER_01:So, I mean, they had the fucking the cannon with powered by poor Lucy, but you gotta keep in mind that some people are still convinced that uh the angels of heaven are still a threat, so it's almost like you know, and just let them go, fuck it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, but I'm still just like uh and I just with the with the the canon, um, you know, when he starts start first starts it up, Lucy's like, oh that tickles, ha ha ha tickles, oh bad tickles, bad tickles, these are the bad tickles. Like, oh god. Just using them as a battery, and it's like when when baggy goes in and he is he is out of it, he sounded like he basically sounded like he was high when baggie found him. It's like, oh my god, poor poor Lucy.
SPEAKER_01:No, let's talk about Lucy real quick, where he was really trying to be there for Charlie and whatnot, and Boggs was having his campaign, and Lucy showed up and had to remind everybody, hey yo, I'm the king of hell. Y'all follow my word. What the fuck y'all doing? Um listening to him. And then the funny thing is, uh Charlie and the angels gonna show up and gonna do their thing. But I honestly believe that if Lucy didn't show up at all, it would have played out the same. It's just that with Lucy showing up, he just made it worse.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah, and especially when you know, um Vaggie goes and talks to him and is like, you know, you need to do some like divine smiting here, this is not gonna go well.
SPEAKER_01:And it's like oh man, Charlie felt so hurt for an episode. Like, I can't believe my dad tried to antagonize the off. And on top of that, my girlfriend gave him the idea.
SPEAKER_05:The idea, exactly. Yeah, it was just like, oh man, that was uh that was not a good situation right there.
SPEAKER_01:Uh it was just it was like, okay, y'all got me in the second half, like y'all were kind of losing in this first time. I'm like, whoa, hold on, like y'all don't y'all not working with that sauce like y'all were in the first season, but then when things started ramping up, I'm like, oh there it is.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and I liked um uh talking about you know background stuff. Um one of the scenes when we're in Lucy's room, you know, you see a pile of gifts there on the bed, and it's like, you know, we have the the Belfagore plushie. There was, you know, there's a couple packages there in the colors of Osmodius. There was a couple packages there in the colors of B. Um, there was this there were stacks of cash with a note on it from saying, This is a bribe, come back, mammon. And so it's like just you know, he had those gifts from all the other seven sins, you know, being like trying to get him to come back and whatnot, because all the shit that's going on in Hell of a And it's like that was that was a pretty cool to see. And it's like we we paused on that when Leah and I were watching, we paused on that just to see what all was there. And it's like, yeah, there's something from like obviously with the exception of Satan, from all the other sins. And with Mammon's note, we know they were all like, please, please, please come back. We need you gifts. So it's like, but yeah, no, that that note though on the status of the actor, this is a bribe. Come back. It's like, yeah, yeah. But yeah, so that I the amount of like background stuff is has been fun to see. Um, and I guess that that would be technically sort of like another crossover crossover sort of situation, like the Robo Fizzy. Um where it's just it's just a little thing, but it gives us a glimpse that okay, you know, they are here.
SPEAKER_01:So right, just loosely, like barely, like in the cut.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. Yep.
SPEAKER_01:So we lose the I like it's funny how he's trying so hard to be a good dad, though. But he as soon as he got that phone call after the fight with Charlie, he was like, I'm coming, baby, I'm coming to make things right. And I'm like, um, what's going on here? Like it's like, oh no, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_05:And it's just like, ah, fuck. Yeah, no, it just goes to show.
SPEAKER_04:I got good week.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, very much so. Like, damn. I don't know if he he he tried to cling on to oh, this is just Charlie, you know, having some fun for as long as he could, but then uh, you know, Box Home is like, okay, nope, this isn't Charlie. I'm fucked. I done fucking.
SPEAKER_01:I like how he said that wait, hold on. You're not Charlie, like he he had no idea who Vogue was, but I'm like, all I know for sure is you're not Charlie.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah, and like, you know, when um when uh Vaggie went and talked to him and when she you know was telling him, you know, you should go do some divine smiting situation. She had asked, you know, do you know Vox? He's like, you know, I I think I do, but you know, what about she's like, Do you she's like, Do you not know what he's been doing? He's like, no idea. And so it's like he he legit just did not really know much about Vox. He just, you know, he had been hearing his name, but that was about the extent of it.
SPEAKER_01:Oh well, you know, he was also talking to you about Charlie.
SPEAKER_05:Exactly. He's like, what what bring that bring that back to me again? What was that? What was he saying about my daughter? Yep, and that was when he's like, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03:That's all he had to say.
SPEAKER_05:Yep, that's it's like say less, I'm there. But yeah, like, oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so oh and hold on, let's talk about the action. Like, okay. The one with Alistair and Bog and also Velva and Valentina, and also us, and people. I'm gonna call that like part one because like it feels like there was a rematch, like, and when we get to the seventh, well, seventh last eighth episode where there's like a rematch, but the first match, okay, whatever, right? It was cool, it was kind of cool. But the rematch, oh man, I love it because like nifty was doing shit. Mvp nifty, by the way.
SPEAKER_05:As as per last uh season as well, like, yep.
SPEAKER_01:Uh it was Hus and Sherry versus Valentino and also uh brainwashed angel does. I like how Angel was choking sherry. Um no, yeah, yeah, it was Sherry. And Hus was like, Angel, I know you're in there, you know. Sherry's like, hey man, we ain't we don't got time for that power of friendships yet. Just slap on the head and make them comfortable.
SPEAKER_05:Exactly. It was like, yeah, no, we don't got time for that shit. Just fucking do the hard reset.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and then of course, the best part Alpha versus Box.
SPEAKER_05:Yep, yeah. No, that was yeah, it was that was that one.
SPEAKER_01:And hella box where you know they they they fucking nice with him when it comes to action. Like, I was waiting for that moment where I'm like, oh come on, I want to see some action popping off.
SPEAKER_05:Yep, and then there it was, and yeah, it was yeah, the fight scenes were fucking great in this. Like, damn.
SPEAKER_01:I love how Alistair was like throughout the whole season, he was like, See, look at you. This is the shit I've been talking about, dog. You can't do shit without somebody else helping you. Hell, even um, that little backwards where Vox was a fucking fanboy for Alistair.
SPEAKER_05:Well, I mean, a little bit, but there was also a lot of manipulation tactics going on there in that scene. It was like, yeah, no, it was it's yeah, we we see you know Vox tear up and stuff, and it's like, oh, poor Vox, poor Vox, he's you know, he legit just wanted to, you know, partner up with who he thought was it's like no, this was all manipulation tactics. It was just like, yeah, no. And you know, when when he put his hand on on uh Alistair's shoulder, and Alistair like was like, Nope, get that hand off me, and it was like, yeah, no, that was that was all you know manipulative mean uh words manipulation attempts.
SPEAKER_01:Like it was just like your radio show.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yep. And it's just like because that's you know, we saw that in his backstory, you know, he and you know, the shaking hands, putting hands on shoulders and stuff, you know, of all his bosses before promptly like killing them after he got what he wanted from them. So it's like, no, that was that was pure manipulation right there. And it's like, and I I I fell for it at first too. I was like, oh, you know, I do feel I do feel bad for Vox here, but then going back and re-watching and sort of noticing patterns and whatnot, it was like, no, this was just straight up manipulation tactics, and Alistair was not falling for it.
SPEAKER_03:I feel like, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um was there anything else that I was thinking at all? I mean, for the most part, like things were like popping off pretty good, you know. They were just trying to prove that sinners can be redeemed, trying to fight or uh prevent a war. Lou was fucking pissing me off in the season to where she was like the main one, like, nah, I can't let that shit fly, especially what happened to Adam and whatnot. No, this is not what Lil would want. Like, that's a little thing with uh Boss. Like, Voss was like, oh no, uh, this is what Lil would want us to do. Um, she would want us to rise up to uh heaven and whatnot. But meanwhile, she's up in heaven right now, so I'm like, uh pretty sure she doesn't want her vacation spot being blown on.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, no, and it's like, and um, my bad. Um and uh shit, I just lost my train of thought. Um, oh no. Yeah, nope, it is totally gone. Shit. I'm sorry. No, it's it's just my my brain is just like, nope, we're not gonna, it's like, come on, work with me here. Um, right, with uh with loot, it's like I I agree. I was I was getting a little pissed at her. I'm like, I'm like, bitch. And I I I had been hearing a lot of things saying that, you know, what if loot teams up with the V's to sort of push the whole hell's going to go to war with heaven just so she can, you know, have her pound of flesh sort of situation. I'm I'm glad that did not happen, which it makes sense that that didn't happen, just considering how much loot hates the sinners. Um, but yeah, no, just she was just hold on.
SPEAKER_01:I got I got a theory behind that. Well, I don't know if it's gonna actually happen, but here's the deal. Like, I agree with you, but at the same time, I believe that with the way things are going. I mean, the fact of the matter is that uh Abel es simply took her job, so it's like they were clowning her for practically being demoted. So it's more like the more she gets pushed to the back burner and whatnot, I feel like it's gonna get to a point where she's gonna get so desperate to try to avenge Adam and whatnot, it's gonna get to a point where she's gonna get so desperate that she might become a fallen angel and then team buckle the bees.
SPEAKER_05:I yeah, I saw a lot about that as well. People expecting that she was gonna become a fallen angel in this season, and it's like obviously that didn't happen stuff. So, yeah, maybe you know, if she does become fallen in the next season, maybe that could still happen with her teaming up with them. But we'll we'll have to wait and see, you know, what exactly happens and whatnot. But yeah, I was just like, yeah, that loot was just it was like Chica, calm the fuck down.
SPEAKER_01:And that's the thing too, because I don't know how it will work exactly, but with loot working with the bees now, the bees want to take over heaven, so they're gonna need somebody to make sure that the sinners in hell stays in line. And considering that Lucifer, the king of hell, can't punish sinners, at least not directly.
SPEAKER_05:That's a little odd, but yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But Lu obviously can, so it'll be more like Wu would probably be the one to be like, all right, I'm gonna keep all the sinners in line because I hate them anyways.
SPEAKER_05:So yeah, exactly. So but yeah, it's like there's a lot of speculation going on about a lot of stuff, but you know, we're gonna have to just wait and see what happens, you know, when when we finally get season three, whenever that'll be. So um, but yeah, it's just like it was a lot of lot there's a lot of theories and whatnot, and a lot of them, again, like I said, did not come to fruition. So it's we'll we'll see what happens in season three. Um, because like like you were saying, maybe that's what that's that'll be, you know, the part of season three is loot falling and then teaming up with the V's. So it's like we'll have to see. I guess I guess uh Viv has said that Vox is still gonna be like the main antagonist of season three, so it's like okay, we'll see what happens.
SPEAKER_01:Oh shit. There's a five-season plan for the show now.
SPEAKER_05:Five shit. Last I heard it was they they had just season three and four.
SPEAKER_01:I'm I'm reading it now. We're in back in September, uh Baby acknowledged that the first season had issues with the narrative runtime, uh, process of telling first season story within the show's set limitations was described by her as borderline impossible during production. Although she remained proud of his final look, she stated that the second season would have improved the pace and narrative, which it did. And his story was described as being simpler than the first season, with all the episodes being longer than 20 minutes because it was like almost a solid three. And she also stated that there is a five-season plan for the show.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, cool. Well, that'll that'll keep us busy for a long time. Consider, I mean, because it was like two years basically between season one and two. So we gotta we and we gotta a while till season three, and then two more after that. Sweet, okay, cool.
SPEAKER_01:And there is the final season for uh hell of a ball. So I'm gonna say I will I would believe if just uh finish up hell of a boss and then focus on Hasman Hotel after that because at that point, all the budget would be going towards Hasman Hotel after that.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, once I mean, not to assume too much, but like now that uh Hell of a Boss is done, it's like okay, they can focus more on Hasman Hotel, yeah, instead of being split between the two, which I gotta say, I know you know Hasman Hotel was like the main project from the get-go, and Hell of a Boss was just sort of a side project, but it's like honestly, out of the two, I do prefer Hell of a Boss, and I know a lot of people share that sentiment. It's just, you know, because we had so long between the the pilot and when we actually, you know, got confirmation that hey, this is actually going to be made into a show. Um definitely took over.
SPEAKER_01:Wow, I'm just saying.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yep. So but yeah, no, and then you know, and then and then the fucking like said, cliffhanger ending there, where it's like Charlie had just called her mom and got, you know, it went to voicemail again, and now the whole, you know, this this person either unavailable or avoiding you. It's like, damn, okay.
SPEAKER_01:And then at the end, and okay, you finally let that final boy's mail, like, okay, you know what, don't worry about all the other boys' mail, everything's all good. You know, and I hope to see you soon.
SPEAKER_05:And then she got a call back like, oh, hold on, like right away, and and she answers just like mom, and then it fucking ends. Like, god damn it. Damn clip hangers. So, yeah, that was like, oh my god. I wanna know.
SPEAKER_01:So I'm trying to see if there was uh update on season three uh balls. No, I don't think so. Nah, but uh pretty sure we know for sure that there's gonna be one more season of that. Yeah, I just don't know when.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it's just it's just a matter of time, so yeah. But it'll be see interesting seeing where they go from here, so was there anything else about season two that you wanted to talk about?
SPEAKER_02:Anything that we didn't um hit on?
SPEAKER_05:I think that was that's about it. Um we covered, you know, most of the stuff, so yeah, I think that was that's about it for me, so yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I I still like has been hotel. I I still love it. I did the main thing was yeah, like the first half of the second season, I understand that it was just build up for what was gonna happen in the second half, so I get it, but like they just kind of really was doubling down on the musical numbers, and half of them were okay, just not for me. And then some of them are okay, hold on, it's gonna go kind of hard.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, like I said, like there was it the second season was more music-centric, but the music just wasn't for the most part, wasn't as good as season one, so at least in my opinion.
SPEAKER_01:It's almost like, whoa, hold on, you're throwing a little too many musical numbers at once. Let us process some of them because uh sees uh I'm looking at the wiki right now, and none of them have their own page just yet. But if you go back to season one, uh, you got hell's greatest dad, poison, loser baby, uh stay gone. They got their own page, so it was like, okay, we had enough time to like process all the different songs that was in there zone, R. So I mean, still, I didn't hate any of the songs, just half of them just not for me.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, exactly, exactly. Like, they weren't necessarily bad, it was just sort of like eh.
SPEAKER_01:So, but yeah, I am spent. I still give Hasmotell a five out of five because it definitely keeps you wanting more, whether it's like the action, the lore, the relationship, drama, and all that uh intrigue and mystery behind it all. I yes, I I want more. Please, sir, may I have some more?
SPEAKER_05:Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Well, with that being said, Tanara, thank you for being on the show with me. And to listener, thank you for listening to us to the end. Uh, go ahead and take it easy. Have yourself a good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good night. Ultimately, you stay nerdy, you stay nostalgic, and stay tuned for more nerdy news and reviews.
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