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Vampire Knight: Is It a Better Love Story Than Twilight?
A glittering academy at dusk. Rules that keep two worlds barely apart. One choice that keeps getting harder to make. We dive into Vampire Knight with clear eyes and sharper questions, exploring how romance, power, and tradition twist together at Cross Academy—and why this story still hits years later. We get into the heart of Yuki’s agency before and after her memories return, Zero’s fight against becoming a Level E, and Kaname’s unnerving calm as he steers politics like a grandmaster. The tension isn’t just who ends up with whom; it’s what each character is willing to sacrifice to stay human in a world that keeps insisting they’re not.
We trace the differences between the anime’s moody restraint and the manga’s bolder moves, from marriages and children to memory resets and moral gambits. Along the way, we highlight side characters who actually move the plot, the elegant soundtrack that frames every corridor conversation, and the gothic look that signals meaning with a glance. And yes, we tackle the pureblood problem—the traditions that complicate consent and lineage—which turns a straightforward love triangle into a thorny debate about destiny, autonomy, and the cost of keeping power in the family.
If you’ve ever asked whether Vampire Knight is a better love story than Twilight, we have a nuanced answer. Yuki feels like a person with a spine, Zero’s bond grows from shared danger and duty, and Kaname’s schemes are as fascinating as they are chilling. By the end, you’ll have a clearer view of what works, what doesn’t, and why this series still inspires rewatching and debate. If you enjoy smart deep-dives into anime romance, supernatural politics, and character-driven storytelling, you’ll feel right at home.
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What up, gang? Let's talk about Vampire Knight. And before we get started, I just want to let y'all know that from now on, I'm gonna try to do better at uploading all these episodes on Patreon first. So chances are this review and reviews after this is gonna be posted on Patreon first before it actually be released publicly. Uh some reviews like the After Doris Express is gonna remain Patreon exclusive. But that's just what you know. Like in case you're wondering, like, oh well, it just sounds awfully late for y'all to be releasing it now. I'm like, yeah, well, technically we released it on Patreon first, and then uh without getting into the details, let's just say there's a reason why there's a delay, why it's not showing up on other channels. But, anyways, let's get to talking about Vampire Night and Semi Phantom. I do thank you for being on for this episode because as I rewatch this anime thinking, you know, crazy enough, it reminds me of Twilight like a lot. But by the end of this review, we're gonna answer the question is it a better love story than Twilight? Now, before we even get into all that, Sebi, tell me, how you feeling about Vampire Knight?
SPEAKER_01:This is my shit. I grew up with this anime. I have the book, the fan guides, I cosplayed as Yuki. Like, this is my stuff. Now I like Twilight, I'm that type of person, but when my grandfather gave me Christmas money, this was the first thing I spent it on both DVDs, volume one and volume two. I thought I was the coolest person around. This is my stuff. It's crazy, but this is my stuff.
SPEAKER_03:No, I understand. And in fact, honestly, re-watching it because I say re-watch because this is one of those anime where it was during my how can I put this my new renaissance during I I don't know, it's kind of hard to explain, but like essentially I was watching anime since I was a very young kid. But you know, after high school and Tonami stopped doing anime that much, or at least it's like Toonami just wasn't the same anymore, and it got to a point where if you want to watch more anime, like there's like thousands of them, you're gonna have to like go online or subscribe to Crunchyroll or something like that. But that's beside the point. Uh Vampire Night is one of those early anime where I started my anime journey to a point where I'm like, shit, at this point, I'm like damn near a thousand anime deep. And when I watched this one the first time, I was thinking, wow, it reminds me a lot of Twilight. But there's a lot of differences that Vampire Knight have that crazy enough works better than Twilight. But then there's this one element where I'm like, nah, you see, even though, yeah, I understand that's just how they are, but I'm gonna be straight up with you that uh um um um um um that uh sweet home Alabama shit going on, and there I'm like you almost had me except the whole brother sister, hey yo, like let's get together, but we're related. Like, I don't care, let's get together. I don't know, because they even say in the anime manga themselves, where oh, pure blood vampires, uh, this is a normal thing between us, like okay, like if that's a tradition between pure blood vampires, okay, cool, but that's not the badge of honor that you think it is when it comes to like everybody else, everybody's gonna be looking at you like ah no fam, like I don't know. Sorry, but Jesus Christ. Outside of that, I think the character dynamics was better, like, because at least for instance, let's start with Yuki and Kaname. Now, Yuki, she's this normal looking girl, like crazy enough. In fact, you can tell, like, even in an anime like this, where okay, you have the day class, which is human students going to Cross Academy, this academy where they're doing this experiment where what if we have humans going to school, but also there's um these noble aristocratic vampires that's also attending this school, and we're just gonna see what will happen if they like coexist and mingle with each other. And for the most part, they're not they don't really mingle, it's more like okay, day class happens, and then by the time it's like sunset, that's when night class comes from their quarter, they go on, study, do their studies, but all the day class girls like fawning over, like, oh cocky, oh okay, whatever, okay. But um you can kind of make like you get this normal-looking girl where like most of the characters you can tell they are like normal as fuck, but then you have the main characters where you can tell they're uh an important character because their eyes, where it's like their eyes are like larger somehow. Like you watch the anime, and it's like you can kind of tell, like, okay, you can tell they put more attention to detail to the characters that they want to focus on versus the others do this. It's like, okay, they're just normal, like okay. But uh Yuki is one of the disciplinary committee members trying to make sure that the uh keep the peas make sure that no vampires are attacking humans or causing bullshit, and then you have Connor, who is like not only one of those aristocratic, noble, pure blood vampires, but he's like top dog at this academy. And the thing is, is like he has a fondness for Yuki, but that's the whole thing. That's what makes Vampire Night so intriguing, to where it makes you wonder what's going on here. Like, it makes you want to invest in where is this going, you know? Like it's it was like a mystery to solve, and pretty much everything is laid out on the table by the time you get to like what episode 18, 19, or so. When you find out that uh not only is Yuki Kaname's bro uh sister, but she's also a pure blood vampire whose abilities were sealed by her mother because apparently her their uncle. That's a whole can of worms that we're gonna get to in a moment. Uh let's just say there's like some bullshit with their uncle to a point where Yuki's mother, Juri, had to make sure that she can live, that Yuki can live a normal life as a human. So she sealed the powers off and whatnot, made sure that she doesn't remember all this. And next thing you know, Yuki's out in the snow, and Koname happens to find her. He knows about all this, by the way. Uh, he finds her out in the snow and is like, all right, let me go take you to this guy that I know, and he's gonna take you in and whatnot. And for the next 10 years, I'm just gonna be watching over you. And the thing is, like, Yuki looks up to Kaname like with admiration and gratitude for saving her from being um killed by a vampire, because keep in mind she's a pureblood princess, so he's gonna be coming after her. And then with Konami is like you're thinking, like, okay, there's just something about this girl that I just gotta watch over, but you find out later that okay, that they're related, that's why. And also, apparently, since birth, Yuki was betrothed to Konami. Almost like, oh hey, um, this is your sister, Yuki. Um, this is gonna be your wife. When she's grown up improper and whatnot. And kind of like, okay, cool, cool, cool. I'm kind of fucking with y'all on that part, but it kind of did play out like that. Like, okay, so you got a sister, but she's also gonna be your wife in the future. Okay, okay. See, that's why when I said what I said about vampires versus where it was, I'm like, hey yo, say whatever y'all want, but I'd rather be one of those first shedding monstrosities than this. I'm like, uh-uh, uh, I don't know, I don't know. And then you have Zero, the other main character, who you would think he kind of gives off that Jacob vibe where you know you think he might be the werewolf character, but actually he's just a vampire who was once human, and he's trying to not only prevent himself from becoming a vampire, but also becoming a level E, which is like the worst form of vampire, where they just they're the ones that just go on around and just killing people mercilessly, like some sort of rabbit animal, like just thirsty for the nest kill and whatnot. He's trying to prevent himself from being that, and he's even going as far as like keeping Yuki at arm's distance because it's like the more he carries on, the harder it is to suppress this vampiric nature that he has. Also, something about his brother, and there's also the matter of Yuki's uncle, well, Yuki and Konami's uncle Rito. And I like how the the wiki when I was just doing some like light research, and I was trying to uh figure out what is Rito's master plan, like what is he trying to do here? And I like how the wiki said between Rito and his fiance, Shizuka, I like how they said, oh well, I don't know, they just crazy. They just started tweaking, and next thing you know, they want to make it everybody else's problem. I like so you mean you tell me that they didn't have no real reason for doing all this outside of oh well, you know, vampires because it's gonna be vampires. Like some of them just gonna want power, and they just gonna want to suck as much blood as possible, and it's mainly between what's going on with Yuki, what's going on with Zero, what's going on with Rito and Tizuka, and how they all relate to each other. But uh Sebbie, how you feel about the characters?
SPEAKER_01:Yuki is your generic heroine. She is so generic. This came out in 2008. So you know she's gotta be the main character because of you again, her eyes. You pointed that out immediately. She's the main character. We all know this. She is so annoying to me. She's that she's that main, she gives that main character, Mary Sue. Like, I'm the best at everything, I can do sports, I can do gymnastics, and I have both of the famous guys, Kaname and Zero, after me. What do you have to offer? Nothing.
SPEAKER_03:You know what's crazy? Like, okay, we're gonna compare Yuki to Bella from Twilight. At least with Yuki, she like that's that's the one thing I like about Vampire Knight. At least with the characters, they actually felt like characters, like even the side characters, not the vampires. Okay, obviously, the vampires had like something going on, but even like uh side characters, like okay, ooh, ooh, you know what? To the sound, Bella. You know how Bella was like, okay, yeah, I like Edward, and I have like this weird friendship with um Jacob. You know, like they're friends, but it's almost like uh one-sided, um require love type things going on, right? But that's about beside the point. Uh, first of all, I like how with Yuki, she has his friend Yori, and at least with Yori, Yuki kind of made sure that she was like in the mix, you know, like she didn't like ignore Yori for the most part. It didn't feel like Yori just got pushed out of the narrative as soon as things got serious between Kaname Zero and everything else going on. Meanwhile, with Bella, it was like what pissed me off was New Moon when Edward decided, okay, I can't fuck with you anymore, especially after what happened in the last book. So I need to keep my distance for your protection. She was like, Oh no, I I don't want you to leave. And then she just did nothing for like a whole season. Like, what was it? Like the whole uh montage shit, where it's like, and let's pass it, let's where it's like September, October, November, like she was just doing nothing. And I'm like, bro, bro, bro, like you got friends, hang out with your friends. Nah, like that one time where like they she finally come back to the lunch table, like, oh, Bella finally decided to join us again. Uh like, yeah, like crazy how that is. Like, you have new friends, and it feels like they just got pushed out of the narrative whenever Edward or Jacob is getting involved. But um, at least with Yuki, she didn't really ignore Yori, just more like she was just going through a bullshit. But at the same time, it was like she made sure that Yori was like in the know to an extent, up until you know she left. It's like she didn't want Yori to know because that's the funny thing. Like, Yori, I like what they did was after Koname converted Yuki into a vampire. Uh Yuki tried to explain, oh yeah, I'm a vampire. Like, hey, shh, hey, you're my best friend, and that's all I need to know. I don't like you know what Yori, you're a real one for that one. It's like she's like, I don't care. You're Yuki, you're my best friend. This changed nothing. I like that.
SPEAKER_01:Uh real friendship right there.
SPEAKER_03:Hell yeah. Uh, second thing, if I were to compare Yuki to Bella, at least with Yuki, where you you're thinking like uh Yuki and Zero, like, first of all, at least Yuki and Zero, they were actual friends. You can tell with their dynamics where you can tell they were like real friends, even up to the end, where yeah, Yuki had to depart with economy and whatnot, and Zero stayed behind. But you know, at least it's not like Bella's where she's clearly friend zoning Jacob, and she even admits that, yeah, I know what I'm doing is selfish, but you know, I kind of need you when I don't have Edward to um bother, versus Yuki and Zero is like you can tell Yuki cares for Zero as a close friend, and I like how Zero is like, well, he don't have romantic feelings for her. Or I mean, as far as the anime is concerned, like I didn't read the manga.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna go into that when you're done.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, yeah, I'm thinking like, hold on, like to be fair, I only watch the anime, so I might think okay, maybe there's more to it in the manga, but at least with the anime, it's like came off like okay, at least he wasn't down bad for Yuki. We can at least give him that much. Can we give him that much credit?
SPEAKER_02:Hmm.
SPEAKER_03:Can we can we give him that much credit that he wasn't down bad for Yuki?
SPEAKER_01:In the anime, we can give him that credit in the manga. Oh, I got some stuff to tell you.
SPEAKER_03:Oh no, don't tell me that. Oh no, I'll like okay. At least he had some cool point. Well, all right, all right, all right. I'll finish up this. Uh last thing, and you said yourself, if I were to compare Yuki to Bella, at least Yuki felt like her own character, where you're saying, like, oh yeah, I'm good at gymnastics and all this other shit. I got all this other stuff going on. I have friends and whatnot. What do you got? And then meanwhile, Bella's like, she has things, but she doesn't have her problem. Is she's not her own person. At least Yuki can say she's her own person, like she has agency, she can be badass when she wants to, especially with that fucking sight. Like, at least it felt like she did shit, even before she became a vampire, where she had the Artemis rod. At least it felt like she did shit versus Bella. Felt like she let the plot influence her. But yeah, that's all I have, like, as far as Yuki versus Bella, to where I'm like, I like you. Say what you will about Yuki, but I like Yuki more as a character versus Bella, where it felt like she just was a passenger in her own body.
SPEAKER_01:Pretty valid to me. It's kind of the same thing with uh Kaname and Zero. They're their own person as well. You know, Zero's got that brooding type of behavior. Kaname's like, I'm the rich bitch in this hood. I'm the top of this world. Okay, but let me go to this this manga. Oh god. Oh my gosh, let me go to this manga. First off, Yuki really said, I'm gonna have the best of both worlds. She go ahead and have a kid with both of them, Kaname and Zero. Okay. She was engaged to Kaname up until the very last season. The the very last of Vampire Night, the manga, before they went to Vampire Night Memories.
SPEAKER_03:But imagine my jaw dropping really hard, like to the ground. I'm like, what the fuck are you telling me, baby?
SPEAKER_01:Okay, okay. Because there's actually there's actively Vampire Night Memories. That's the that's the next manga. It's it's still coming out. Like the last series is is in December. That's the last uh volume to come out, yeah. But all right, so Yugi is currently well woman is engaged to Kaname, and they had a daughter named I. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Typical. Okay, like how many times have you heard that? Oh, yeah, like the main characters get together and they decide to name their kid I for some reason. I feel like that's been done before. Like, come on.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah. No, this girl's kind of um kind of like brownish hair, red. She's that typical Kerman family, like she looks identical to Kaname, but that's besides the point.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I hope she looks better than that. Um what they try to do in point of light, whereas like they bro, I was like laughing my ass on wearing that battery on how.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. If a budget TV can do it, y'all can do it. Y'all have the budget.
SPEAKER_03:Is it like some sort of uh contract legal problem? I'm like, I'm pretty sure. I don't know, like well, I guess the baby. Well, okay, to be fair, I guess if you say that spared the baby from forever being cursed, oh you were that one baby from Twilight. I'm like, come on, dawg. Like, I'm a grown woman. Like they I wasn't even old enough to remember that scene. You're gonna pin that on me.
SPEAKER_01:It's a whole Zack and Cody and Mary Kate and Ashley scenario over here.
SPEAKER_03:Right. Like, you just think, like, bro, Cole and Dylan Price, they they doing shit. Like, Cole was still doing movies, Dylan's plant, um, Yu-Gi-Oh! Like, they they do shit. I was like, come on, dawg. Like, they do other shit.
unknown:Come on.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, now Mary Kate and Ashley. I'm like, I don't know, like for some reason, like they didn't age that well off of me. But Lizzie though, Lizzie doing her thing, though.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, okay. So Yuki then also has a kid with zero named Wren.
SPEAKER_03:Once again, typical. I'm like, that feels like okay.
SPEAKER_01:You know, go ahead, go ahead, say Wren looks identical to her father. Okay, she's got that, you know, that red eyes, silver hair type of thing. Um, if I remember correctly, Ren is older than I.
SPEAKER_03:Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
SPEAKER_01:No, I is older than Ren. I is older than Ren.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, I'm about to say because it's the implication that Zero knocks up Yuki before her fucking VLAT.
SPEAKER_01:I and Ren were born like 15 years apart.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Because I is like 900 and something years old. Okay. And then Ren is kind of like the lower class. It's really weird how they put it. Well, Yuki got married to Zero in the manga. Like they officially married. Kaname was actually there for the whole vows and everything. They actually kind of did it almost like a joke because Zero wanted to basically say his vows in front of Kaname, like, I got your bitch.
SPEAKER_03:Bro, that sounds like something you would do.
SPEAKER_01:Like, take that. I have Yuki. I know you had a whole kid with this girl, but you know what?
SPEAKER_03:Nah, see, this is like the Una rebirth card where, you know, in Twilight, where like, okay, yeah, Edward and Bella are getting married, and Edward, it was Edward's idea to give Jason the fucking invitation out. Hey, well, no, that we can't marry.
SPEAKER_01:That is literally it. Because at the end, um what happened is that Kaname awakes, because spoiler alert, he goes back to being a human. They reawaken him, and he reawakes as a human with Yuki's two children at his side, and is left to explore the human world without any memories of being a vampire, right? And then at the very last chapter, Yuki has a daughter with Kaname, and then a daughter with Zero. I it's a lot, bro. There is so much happening in the manga that they did not add to the vampire knight or guilty.
SPEAKER_03:That's what kind of pissed me off about when it comes to anime and manga, where it's like, okay, like I said in previous podcast episodes, the anime, the way I see the anime is treated more like a companion to the source material. So the anime is supposed to compel people to read the manga because the rich if the source material is making money, then there's a good possibility that the anime adaptation might get more confused. Not because, oh, the manga is making sales, but because the manga is popular. By popular demand, gotta give the people what they're looking for, right?
SPEAKER_01:Just wait till we get just wait till we get to Black Butler because I have so much to tell you about that.
SPEAKER_03:You know what's crazy? Um, as soon as I finished Vampire Night, guess what um Prime Video song decide what I should watch next?
SPEAKER_01:Black Butler.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not surprised. That's literally how I went from one to another, because that's exactly what happened. Because this was on Funimation when it first all got started. So I went from Vampire Knight to Black Butler.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, it makes sense because they both got that aristocratic, supernatural. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Favorite character, hands down, Hanabusa Ida. I'm just gonna come out here. No, I guess he's the best, in my opinion. I like his pose, I like his attitude, uh, he is so like outgoing, but then he is so mean and cruel at the end.
SPEAKER_03:Like, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. First of all, I like how you just said that because I remember the one thing I like about Hanobusa was that as soon as he found out that, oh, Yuki is Kaname's brother, and oh shit, my bad. That Kaname is Yuki's brother, and she's a pureblood um princess, and he switched up so fast that, like, oh, I'm sorry I was being so mean to you. Like, oh, and then the crazy thing is, uh, Yuki was like, uh, I'm not so used to being you being nice to me, just I would prefer you just call me Yuki or hey you. Like, why are you acting different? Like, but if you if that was me, I'm sitting there like, I would be picking up, I'm just kind of teasing. I'm like, oh, I like how you're acting all brand new now that you find out that I'm nobility. But um, outside of that, I like how Hanabusa is a golden example of how they pampered in comedy in this anime in a way to where, okay, you can tell that it's still an anime. Um, at the end of the day, to where it has the usual anime gag, you know, the um extending nose gag and whatnot. Uh Yuki's dad headmaster cross, being that doting father. It's like, Yuki, you know, like just a loving father, just one of the best words on and whatnot. Kind of a little too affectionate to where, like, you know, you try to hug uh Yuki and then she trying to slide step out of the way. I was like, Dad, you're being embarrassed. Come on, get yourself together.
SPEAKER_01:Oh you want to know the best part about that Sanabusa and Ido. You know how you were talking about Yori earlier, right?
SPEAKER_03:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01:That's his wife.
SPEAKER_03:Are you fucking kidding me?
SPEAKER_01:No, no, in the manga, they actually get together, and at the end, the cutest, the sweetest. Oh my god, I was crying. So she was dying, right? He had begged her and begged her to become a vampire. We can live forever and ever and ever because they were married, they had a kid, like, they had a grandchild, like it was great. And so Yori finally said, You know what? I've had a really good life. I married you. We had children, grandchildren, but it's time for me to go. And she died. That was so sad. And that's in the Vampire Night Memories manga that's coming out. That was so sad. I was literally in tears, but I was so happy they got together. Like, they because they only had in like the actual anime, they only had like very few interactions until Rito attacked the school. And then finally, they're like, how hell, hey, Yuki was like, Hey, help Yuri from Hungry Vampires, you know. Like they they they've already they were liking each other from the second vampire night.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, that's a that's a little fun fact from the manga there.
SPEAKER_03:Uh I like how, like, okay, at least Yuri wasn't like completely like because yeah, even where Vampire Night Guilty left off where Yuki Kame and some of the Vampires, not all of them, like um Sinri and uh Rima was going after um Ichie Joe because you know he was confronting his father about um some bullshit. Like essentially he's one uh do right by Kaname by saying, like, I may have betrayed you as a vampire, but as your friend, I'll never betray you. And I'm like, ooh, that's how you feel easy, bro. You a real one for that one. But um, you know what's crazy? Um flashing back to hip master crosses a little bit, it's crazy how, like, in a way, the dad character is like one uh like the best character. Well. Not the best character, in my opinion. He's good. What I mean is, like, he's one of the best characters, and it's plain how in Twilight, once again, Charlie is one of my favorite characters because, like, he he's a fairly good dad. He really tried to make sure that uh he protects Bella and whatnot. And it's just kind of sad that he was just being left in the dark that his daughter is um vampire now. But hey, at least he hooked up with uh that one chip. And I'm like, okay, that's a dub for on Charlie. That's good print, good print. Uh but Headmaster Cross, okay, being the legendary hunter that damn near every vampire fear, and I'm like, okay, cool, cool, cool. Kind of badass, kind of like um, I forgot um father um Fujimoto or something like that from um Blue Exorcist.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're talking about now.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Uh where it's like he's like the strongest around, and he's also the father of the main character, and like he all they want is just the best for their children and whatnot. And like, I fuck with that. I fuck with that. Like, good anime dad. Like, I would put uh Fujimoto or uh I forgot his name, but I'm sorry. Uh in that crazy idea. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:I took a look.
SPEAKER_03:I thought I was tripping. Like, I was thinking, like, what was his name again? Was it Fujimoto? Okay, okay. I was about to say because I just did the review not too long ago. Don't tell me I forgot his name already. Yeah, okay. So I got it, I got it. Cool, cool, cool. Yeah, I would put Fujimoto and Headmaster Cross on the tier list of good anime dad.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I see it there. Yeah. I agree with you 100%.
SPEAKER_03:The powers. Now, they didn't well in the anime. The powers weren't highlighted that much. I mean, you know, ice powers, oh, blood manipulation. Okay, cool powers. But Koname, oh man, like I just like he he proved that he's one of those OP characters because like all the dude had to do is just um pull up, like slide on somebody, and then Nefino, fairy dust. Like you but uh the Senate was showing up, and he was like, Oh, well, you know, Lord Connor, like we although we're not supposed to let you get past us, but you are royalty, so it's like it's kind of a complexion of interest for us, and Connor's like, doesn't matter, turn to dust.
SPEAKER_01:In the manga, he's able to do he can do a lot of things. He can kiss any wound and it'd be healed immediately. Any non-pureblood vampire surrender to him. He can suppression of the same race, ability to become to turn a pureblood vampire into human, manipulated pureblood, changing the physical. I mean, he literally changed himself into a baby at one point in the manga.
SPEAKER_03:That's crazy because like it's almost like this this dude is like a vampire god, like like not literally like god, but like uh godlike powers almost, almost. Like, he at the very least, he's definitely like a overpowered vampire, like Jesus, like because that's that's a crazy power set, and of course, there's more like creation of a new form, erasing memories, telekinesis, all that jazz.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, controlling Bloody Rose, that weapon with his voice. Oh, top tier. I wish that I had that.
SPEAKER_03:That is cool, like, bro. Like damn, I just had oh yeah, he's like the superman of vampires.
SPEAKER_01:Pretty much it's also funny that he also wields an anti-vampire sword when he's a vampire, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean, I'm like, okay, that's fair. I'm I'm not even surprised ever since with Yuki, like, once again, with the Artemis rod. Like, at first, she couldn't wield it, but she was like, fuck it, we ball. Like, and besides, uh, there's people that's in danger, so I need to do something. So if it hurts me, whatever, fuck it, we ball. And then next thing you know, it just turns into that site. I was like, okay, that's that was kind of cool. That that was the that was arguably the coolest thing I've seen her do in the anime.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's it it's one of the cool things, unfortunately. Not to spoil your bubble, but it does turn into ash. You could use it, so okay.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, okay.
SPEAKER_01:It goes back to that whole thing where there's a lot of things that are missing out from an anime to a manga. I promise you, when we talk about Black Butler, I'm gonna explain exactly why, because there are some things in there that is not we're not there yet. But to Vampire Knight, there's a lot of this manga put two seasons in one year. Like it went from June pretty much the whole entire 2008 from April to October, if I'm 90% sure. So we got a lot of we got like 24, 26 episodes crammed in the case.
SPEAKER_03:So nice, we got it twice in one year.
SPEAKER_01:We got it twice in one year. Must be nice or in high school host club. Must be clubs.
SPEAKER_03:Hold on. I like how you said that because when I was watching this anime, I'm like, it's giving me Oran High School Host Club vibes for some reason now.
SPEAKER_01:They came out at the same time, pretty much around the same time together.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, sure, because like you gotta have that. Was crazy because around that time, reverse herrings were popping off. Like nowadays, now the new thing is oh, imagine this magical world, and the main character is overpowered, but not in a way that you think he's overpowered. But he joins this party, and this party's like total dickheads except for this one character where it's like she is usually a woman, but she's like the most sensible character. Meanwhile, the team leader's always this prick that's like, okay, you know what? You're useless. Get out of our party. And then uh the main character fucks up, he ends up becoming a legend and whatnot. The uh party leader, you know, looking like garbage in comparison. Meanwhile, the sensible character decides to kind of defect from the parties where it's like she still kind of fucked with the main character, like she was the only friend the main character had before he got kicked out of the party. That's the new thing now. Like it for me at first it started with I left my A-Ring party, uh, where it's like, okay, this is fairly new, like for the most part. But then again, there was Arthur, where it was kind of like that, but not literally. It's like more like Isakai type thing. So like I didn't count Arthur at first, but uh I left my A-Ring party and a whole bunch of other anime came out this year alone, where it's like imagine this overpowered character being spat on for having like a uh perceived useless ability. Like, say, for instance, you could be a cook, like you could be like uh just a cook for the party, but turns out you're like a level 99 cook who's like good with alchemy and metallurgy and a whole bunch of other abilities where you're strong on your own, but because you're a cook, you're considered useless, so they're like, kick you out, and you end up creating this restaurant where a whole bunch of regists end up going there, and you end up becoming famous with your exploits and whatnot, and the person who kicked you out of the party looking like a real piece of shit for kicking you out of the party, and sometimes they'll even fucking flaw on you because how dare you make me look bad after you left my party. I'm gonna take care of you, and then they end up embarrassing themselves even more. So, so I don't know, that's the new thing now, Sadio. Like every now and then that there's a whole bunch of anime that have a similar vibe going on.
SPEAKER_01:No, yeah, and that goes right back that goes into my next point. Around this time that this manga was coming out, between 2006 and 2008, um, a lot of artists saw an influx in the female mango watchers. They were trying to get that whole oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm saying this.
SPEAKER_03:The whole Yaoi thing come off, which yeah, that was the most the late 2000 was a weird time.
SPEAKER_01:I was a part of that fandom. I'm not gonna tell you what I have. I'll I'll just say I'll just say that. But that was that whole, you know, like oh my gosh, in Orn High School Host Club. I talked about it in my podcast, you know, you had the homosexual supporting cast, you had Pikadoo and Kaudu, the homosexual brothers, basically. And even in even in this one, it kind of gets to the point where there's a lot of ships between kind of means zero. A lot of things.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's that's that doesn't surprise me. In fact, I want to talk about those two, but continue.
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah, we it just goes right back into the the whole 2006-2008. We saw an influx of reverse harems, yaoi fandoms, the paddles, the whole shebang and the caboodle.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. Uh kind of man zero, like, okay, if I were to compare their dynamic to Edward and Jacob, I once again, I didn't read the manga. I don't know what their relationship like is in the manga, but in the anime, I want to say, at least with them, it's like not this passive aggressive pettiness that Edward and Jacob have. Where it's almost like saying, okay, Jacob clearly doesn't like well, you know, vampires and werewolves, that could go without saying. Like they just gonna be beefing each other regardless of Bella being involved. But the thing is, with Edward and Jacob, outside of that, it just seemed like Jacob is trying to worm his way into Bella's heart, where it's like, okay, you you don't know Bella, like I know Bella, like I know it's better with Vesper and all that other jazz and whatnot. And meanwhile, Edward is like, hey, look here, I'm not even trying to be worried about Jacob, but at the same time, if he keeps trying you like that, I'm gonna have to deal with that no more. For real. It's kind of like that's where it's like they kind of get petty with each other, especially in equips where you know the whole tent scene where Jacob had to keep Bella warm, and then Edward's like, can you calm down with your thoughts? And I'm like, nah, get get worse with it. I was like, bro, you're making me comfortable with your thoughts. I don't like you to it, bro. Nah, he they didn't really go there, but like it's just funny how like he uh Jacob was being petty not just to say, Oh, well, I am harder than you. I'm like, hold on. Like physiology-wise, you have a point, but hey, bro, like you you being petty right now.
SPEAKER_01:It happens in the manga, don't worry, they are very petty towards each other again. Going back to the whole wedding scene, Zero said, Ha ha, watch this. I'm gonna marry your girl in front of you, vows and everything. That's literally what happened. He was like, I want to have a ceremony. Oh, you do? You want to have a ceremony? Yeah, I want to say your vows. I want to say vows. Oh, okay. That sounds great in front of Kaname.
SPEAKER_03:I want him to have a front row seat for this.
SPEAKER_01:They were like, I'm gonna have him front row and center just so I can.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on. No, not just that. It happened to where, like, um, his seat is all flowery and shit, and he even has his name on it to where like reserved for zero bombs, Khan Man. I was like, Yeah, like this just for you, Kaname, just for you. I want you to have a cool seat for this.
SPEAKER_01:Not only did Kaname was there, but I was also there at this wedding.
SPEAKER_03:And he I bet you Kaname had to play a real cool. Um like, look, he had to be like super non-stop, and I'm sitting here like, look here, like it's a beautiful ceremony, and I want to be happy for my sister Yuki, but um, look here, motherfucker. Like, you got one more time for me.
SPEAKER_01:He basically said this to her. I want to give to you whom I love the world, what I saw when I was human, the long and endless journey. You who existed with that thirst, may your thirst be quenched. That was the last thing where he says, What a beautiful light, and then he's gone. That was it. That was it, everybody.
SPEAKER_02:Wow, he's like, you know what?
SPEAKER_01:May your thirst be quenched by zero. I hope you're happy with the decision you made, and then disappeared. And then guess who had to take care of I Zero. Zero had to be the one to step up and say, I'm gonna be your daddy from now on.
SPEAKER_03:I wait, hold on. Like, that's a low-key flex because, like, listen, like, first of all, it's like, okay, Yuki and Konami are siblings, so it's like, honestly, crazy enough, I was kind of rooting for Zero, anyways. Like, that's that's a weird part because I don't know, it's like, it's just one of those things where I kind of see Yuki and Zero together more. So, like, nothing against Konami, it's just more like that. Um Twilight, you know, before, you know, my adult friend kicks in to where I'm like, nah, like Jacob was acting way too down bad to where like it just doesn't feel deserved if he does get with Bella. But at least with zero, it's like it felt like a natural friendship. Therefore, I'm like, okay, it feels more deserved if he got with Yuki to where like he tried to like he really tried to restrain himself from biting Yuki uh at some point, but you know, like she's a pure pure blood vampire, so it's like, oh well, you know, like turns out I'm a vampire too, so it's like something we do. So I can't really judge you for doing what you do if I'm doing the same thing, you know, like it just being calling the hot cone kill black, you know what I'm saying? You know, uh uh she was just cool with it for the most part. Uh, but even though Zero kind of was repulsed by himself with his nature or whatnot, he was really trying to propose um really fight these urges, um, considering that he was raised to be a vampire hunter. And uh yeah, I just felt like if Zero got with Yuki, I feel like, yeah, it feels right. It feels right. But going back to what I was saying, like it feels like a low-key fletch to where, like, okay, it doesn't really necessarily. I don't feel the necessity of Yuki and Kamra getting together. Like, yeah, it may have been set up to look like that way, but I don't know. Like, I don't, I just didn't really care for their romantic, especially with the whole sweet home Alabama element to that. So I'm like, eh, eh, no. But uh it's a low-key place because think about it, like that just means that um not only do comments like, okay, well, whatever, I'll just find a new bitch, but uh also he don't have to deal with the kids. I mean, as much as you might love the kids, but I don't know. Some dudes will uh I don't know, like it's crazy. I hear subjects where like uh some dudes want to be able to have their freedom do whatever the hell they want, and then sometimes um they feel like oh well I can't really do whatever I want if I have to uh look at my kids.
SPEAKER_01:So well, and let me move on to I and um Ren, you know, um their kids. I, of course, is Ren's older half-sister. She I was there throughout Yuki's whole second pregnancy to the point where I even started like being that motherly figure, to the point where it got to an obsession, to the point where it got a little bit too creepy. At one time, Ren's vampire traits began to emerge, and she was so horrified by like the thought of harming I that she wished to devour and become one with her lovely older sister. They have a very, very um confusing sister complex.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. That's why I dare say that um no, no, it's nothing, it's bad party by itself, but it's that's why I say that. Um if I were to say if it's a better love story than Twilight, I'm like kinda, but it gets weird.
SPEAKER_01:It gets weird and complicated, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Like, as far as like how they handle relationships, at least it's mmm damn. Well, okay, yeah, it's not as toxic because at least with Yuki, it's more like I love both of these men, but at the same time, it didn't really start off that way. It's more like she viewed Koname as someone that she admires and is grateful for, you know, saving her from that once in every day. Um, but you know, that was a whole okay, hold on. Another thing I liked about Kaname to where, you know, everything between Rito being resurrected, Shizuka dying, uh, Zero and Ichiru, um, Zero's brother being reunited and whatnot. I like how Kaname was pulling a whole eyes in to where I'm like, it was all part of the plan. And he was even rolling up the zero, saying, like, it was me, Barry. I'm the one who killed Shizuka. I'm the one who um made sure that her blood and Yuki's blood and my blood runs in your veins so that way you can become the ultimate vampire hunter to kill Rita and whoever the else I got a problem with, because at the end of the day, you work for me. You are my fit. And that's how he was with everybody else with um night class, where y'all just uh chess pieces in a game that I was playing. So now that your purpose has been fulfilled, do whatever you want. And you know how Akasuki and uh Hanabusa and the rest of them uh the one other chip uh where they were like, hey yo, like we're not your chess pieces, but we'll still follow you. And then Konaman's like, whatever the old you want. But I like that's crazy because I'm like, I want to say Kaname is still a solid dude, but I I like how he made it sound like he played everybody just to make sure that he ends this whole beef with uh Rito and the whole Kuron uh family, where for some reason, like that's the funny part where uh Haruka, Yuki and Kaname's father, and Yuri, the mother, their brother and sister, and also married. But the thing is with Rito being Haruka's brother, older brother, Rito is like, oh, Juri's a fine ass bitch, I kind of want her for myself. And they were like, uh, no, uh, she's my girl. Like, I'm married. Why don't you get with Suska? But I'm like, I don't want her, bro. I don't want that shit. And then Suka was sitting there like, oh, well, I don't want to be married to him either. In fact, there was this other dude that I was in love with, but y'all put a bag on his head to have him kill because, oh, I didn't want Rito, so y'all decide, oh just kill this other guy, like, since I you want to be like, bro, like the dynamics in this anime to where, like, once again, it gets weird, but in a way, I still kind of like it better. Like, at least it was intriguing enough to where like it felt like I want to know what the hell was going on. Like, who's this guy? Who's this chick? How are they connected to each other? The way they executed that just made it intriguing on its own. Meanwhile, when I'm watching Twilight, I'm like, so JB, I've got a question for you. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_01:Is this a better love story than Twilight?
SPEAKER_03:Slightly. Just slightly, just slightly. Because once again, like, I I can't say that it is, maybe because I didn't read the manga. Like, you can tell me better than I can. But at least it wasn't as toxic because once again, at least with Yuki, it didn't felt like she was leading Zero on. It just more like she just viewed Zero as a dear friend up until you know they had enough flags being raised to a point where oh well, they just developed this romantic connection with each other. And um they well, at least Zero got some and got married to her and had a kid, and I think a grandkid too. I don't know, like um, so they didn't have grandkids. Okay, cool, cool. Um, and all this other jams, and I'm like, okay, at least Zero got that far versus Jacob, where it's like, oh well, I guess I'll just hook up with my crush's daughter. I'll just wait for her to be grown up. And I'm sitting like, bro, not only did you make Jacob look down bad, but you also made him look like a pedophile groomer.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, okay, so I'm not the only one who thought about that when he imprinted on Renez Bay. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I'm like, bro, like that that's not a good look, dawg. You imprinted on my baby, Jacob? No, no, no. That's the funny part. Okay, like I said with um the comedy and Vampire Night, they sprinkled the comedy in where I'm like, okay, it's funny here and there, and I like it, but it then overstays welcome. And twilight, at least the movie is concerned. Why did you pepper all the good jokes in the last movie where okay, Bella dragging Jacob out in the on the house to deal with him for imprinting on her baby? And I watch how you, if you pay attention, you see Edward smiling his face off watching his wife, that's right, his wife handle the dude she won't talking about, oh, you imprint on my baby, and like, hey, bro, listen, like it's a werewolf thing, it just happens like that sometimes. I can't really control it. Like, look, like, I don't want any trouble. Like, do you honestly think um Edward keep me alive and whatnot? And then Edward just did be like, uh, I'm still debating the jury's still out, apparently. And I'm like, bro, y'all, y'all say the good jobs for the last movie? No. Oh, like, I was laughing my ass off when I was watching Breaking Dog part two. Because, like, hey, yo, like, finally, they feel like characters now.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly, finally. It's not the the the what is what's it called? Sepia-toned nonsense that we were given. I agree with you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like most of the characters felt like they were just there. Like, if anything, like in the colon household. Okay, Carlisle, he he being the breadwinner, the doctor, and whatnot. Okay, he serves his role, he's fine. Esme felt like she was just there. Uh Emmett, once again, just there. Uh Rosalie, she was badass, but I felt like she was I gotta put this, she got hold narratively because she she seemed like an interesting character, but they didn't focus on her, at least in the movies, they didn't focus on her a whole lot. But I know in the book they had more to with that with her. In fact, I think they gave more backstory to Emma in the um books, but I didn't read the books, but um Rosalie just felt like she just got swept under the rug for the most part. Like she was like low-key beefing with um Bill only because she just didn't like how Bell is choosing to be in vampire. Meanwhile, they didn't have a choice to be um vampires, and like that just pissed her off. But also, like the only other thing going on is that uh oh, now that Renezme was born, she's like trying to be this supportive auntie character, and I'm like, okay, that's cool, but that's about it. Uh Jasper, yeah. Uh okay. Uh he's cool, but I felt like once again, I I just wish they did more with like, yeah, we got the backstory and all that too, but dang, like it just kind of felt like they didn't do a whole lot with Jasper. Like, once again, cool, but it it just kind of felt like they just kind of used him as okay. Um, this is an example of how somebody who's like the youngest in the polling household, like he's still trying to control urges, but uh for the most part, he's chill. But I feel like they could have done a little bit more with him. Now, Alice, I fucking love Alice. She is my girl. I see like one of my my favorite in the whole story to where not only she could see in the future and whatnot, like on some vassal raven type shit, but uh she just came out with a cool character, you know, the aesthetics, uh, hairstyles, like I don't know, like out the Colin siblings, she definitely had more to do, but at the same time, it felt like because she can see into the future, she had the same problem with that um Professor X had in the X-Men movies where she sometimes had to be picked out of the narrative because if she sticks around a little too long, it just kind of feels like okay, you have this one character who can solve a lot of these problems. So if you have her around, then there's not much of a story. So Alice had to be kicked out of the narrative area now and then just to give other people some spotlight. So I don't even blame her for that, but Alice is a sulkhead, like she felt like an actual character compared to the others as far as the movies. Everybody else just felt like they were just standing there, and outside of Edward being the lead character, Alice was the only one in the movies that in my memory, where I'm like, at least she not only felt like a character, but she did shit. But that's just my opinion.
SPEAKER_01:No, I I kind of have to agree with you. I didn't read the books, I only watched. Uh watch the movies, but I do have to say she at least had a little a lot more contact than all the rest of them did, even though Jasper is still number one.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like I I still like Jasper, but I just felt like they could have did more with Jasper. Agreed. It's like between Alice and Jasper and Rosalie, it kind of felt like they gave him the rock we treatment to where y'all hype up these characters to have this their own subplot. But then by the time you get to the end of the movie, it's like you realize, hold on, y'all barely did anything with these characters. Like Alice, like she, the only reason why we Alice, like she's the one that can see into the future. So it's like, okay, you kind of need her because if it wasn't for her, like Edward could have sacrificed himself in the second movie, or like if it wasn't for Alice, that um they probably wouldn't be able to find Bella in the first movie. So Alice did play her position. So she actually did shit, she actually mattered. So that's why I dare say out of the colon siblings, it's almost like they had to make Alice a whole character if she's gonna fit into the story, especially as a clairvoyant. Everybody else, we don't even know what their powers are, really. Like, what what is Rosalie, Jasper, and Emmett's special power? Like, do they even say it? Like, in you like okay, I know you didn't read the book. Um, and in the movies, like they didn't even mention it, so that's how you can tell, like, bro, like that's how you can tell that it felt like they barely ditched it because they didn't even have a special power that we knew of. The only people we knew of that had a special power in the colon family is Edward and Alan. And that's because they were the main two characters that had most of the influence for the clock.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I do have to say Jasper's powers is pathokinesis, which is just he can feel emotions around them and manipulate them.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01:In the in eclipse, I think it was, he used his power to calm everyone down against when the clones were going against the werewolves, and in breaking dawn, Jasper stayed near Bella after she had Renesime because she was so happy and he was drawn to during positive feelings. He also helped her like calm her down during a sleep. Like, so there was most times about to see that.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, so Jasper was a sleeper MVP. Okay, yeah, okay, okay, cool.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna look it up. I'm not gonna lie to you. I had to look up, like, there's like Renezme has like shield penetration, arrow has tactic. Like, there's a whole bunch.
SPEAKER_00:A whole bunch.
SPEAKER_03:I'm like, uh buddy, who's like essentially the avatar in this fucking like see that's crazy part, like, bro, like you have a vampire that can have like pyrokines, uh uh, he can manipulate water, uh, earth, and air and whatnot, and you you saved him for the last movie. Pretty much, Jesus Christ, but uh okay, back to Vampire Knight. Um actually, yeah, for the most part, that's pretty much what I have to say about Vampire Knight, to where I'm like the way I see it, at least it was structured in a way to where it genuinely intrigued me. To where I actually wanted to see how shit played out versus okay, here's this popular thing that people like. Let me see what the fuck they're talking about. Come to find out what the hell is those. I mean, hey, hey, in my opinion, that's that's just me. If you're a fan of Twilight, hey, I don't hate Twilight fans, but I can't say that I'm a fan personally. If anything, it's almost like I'm starting to realize I like watching shit that I will probably go on angry rants about because it's almost like I don't know, it's almost like that's why I kind of like doing the podcast where it's like I like watching shit where even if it's bad, is it worth talking about? Because if it's not even worth talking about, that's how bad it is. Like, once again, Velma, to where I'm like, bro, that show was so dog shit ass. That halfway through doing my review to break down everything I didn't like about Velma, I just threw the script away on, you know what? Fuck it. I don't even feel like talking about it anymore because I'm like, I'm gonna feel like I'm gonna be talking about it all fucking night about how weird and antagonistic this is towards his own audience. Where I'm like, fuck all that, you know, fuck all that. I I'm not gonna even give it the satisfaction of a full review. Like it's crazy how some people were saying, like, oh, they dropped it in like two, three episodes, and then I'm sitting there like, oh well, you know, I gotta at least see it through to see if like does it get better? Like, does it get better? But no, it it doesn't get better. Like, it's it gets defiantly worse. It got to a point to where everybody cheered when Velma died. Like she literally died, and everybody cheered. Not not in the show, but the fans.
SPEAKER_02:The fans, they were like, Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I'm like, bro, like, how bad of a character do you have to be to where the fans are glad that the main character died? That's how bad you have to be, to where you not only have fans doing that, but to a point to where I don't even want, I don't even feel like doing a full review on it. I'm like, uh-uh, no. Like, you're gonna see a side of me to where I'm like, you're thinking, bro, I know JV gets angry every now and then, but like, bro, I never heard him be this angry before. And I'm sitting there, like, because it's one of those things where the more I talk about it, the more it feeds into my anger for the show, and I have to explain why it makes me so angry, and it's just this infinite move where I'm like making myself angry and trying to explain how bad it is, but at least with Vampire Knight, it was enjoyable. It got weird, but at least I can stomach it to watch it, you know. I can sit through it, I can sit through watching. Twilight was also weird for me, to where I'm like I'm just kinda here because I just want to see what the bus is all about, and now that I'm watching that, and I don't understand why some folks like it, but then again, uh, let's just say that it nah, you know, I'm not gonna do it. Uh Sebbie, you have anything you want to add on to Vinefire Night before we close out? Because I'm pretty much spent at this point.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's pretty much all I had as well. I agree with you for everything there. Um I didn't watch Velma, I didn't watch it at all. You didn't, I didn't want to watch it.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't yeah, like save yourself. Uh how many, how many you don't need to even describe it.
SPEAKER_01:I've seen little hints and stuff on TikTok. I'm not gonna stomach it.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, there we go. I'm saying, like, save yourself like a whole afternoon. Like, I think it was like 12 episodes. No, no, no, 10 episodes each. I'm pretty sure it was 10 episodes each season, and there was that Halloween special. I'm so glad they didn't get season three. I mean, they they try to set up a season three, but nobody wants that shit, but uh save yourself the nine to ten so hours that it probably would have taken you to watch this, but it it it was not worth it. Like it I was curious enough to see, like, okay, that's a okay. I'm gonna say this, we're gonna get to the rating, and we're gonna get the fuck out of here. You can tell that this feels like a psyop when you can't criticize something that you haven't seen to completion. Well, oh, you can't criticize this uh show because you didn't watch all the episodes, it might have gotten better, and then you watch it, and then you're like, oh well, I still don't like it. Oh, well, that's too fucking bad. Like that's like going to a movie and you dislike the movie, and okay, let me wrap that up. That's like saying a movie's coming out, you're already thinking it's gonna be dog shit, and people are saying, Oh, you can't say that you didn't even watch the movie yet. And then imagine actually going to the movie, you still think it's dog shit, and it's like, oh well, it doesn't matter, we got your money now. And I'm saying, like, bro, like, what's the difference? Like, what's the point? So it's like watching dog feels like if I give it too much press on how bad it is, it just kind of feeds into the point to where like I'm feeding it attention, and sometimes with some folks, it's like any form of attention is good, they they just don't believe in bad attention, so they don't believe in back listening. So it's like saying bye, you can't really criticize it if you didn't watch it to completion, and even if you watch it to completion and still don't like it, it's like, oh well, it doesn't matter, but you still took your time and we still got well. If you like uh subscribe to HBO Max to watch it, and by the way, it's not like almost the only reason why we will uh subscribe to HBO Max, but that's just the thing, it's almost like saying they think, oh well, it doesn't matter if you like it or not, we still got your fucking money. I'm like, uh, that's kind of why I'm glad that uh the thing with streaming serves is that it's not the only show to watch. So as far as you know, like that's like Madame Webb all over again, to where people thinking, like, oh, it became the number one movie on Netflix. That's only because nobody didn't want to buy a movie ticket and waste their money going to watch something they know is going to suck. So they wait until it's on a streaming service like Netflix, so then they watch it because it doesn't matter if they actually watch it or not, because they didn't subscribe to Netflix just to watch Madame Will. They're gonna watch other shit, so it's not the aha moment that you think it is. Uh it's like it's almost like that's why I can't do a full review because almost like that's what they want, though. That's what they want, said me. So rating time, I will give Vampire Knight at least a solid eight out of ten. The characters actually felt like characters, the story was intriguing enough for me to at least want to see it to the end. Even the manga, like, even after you spoiled some of the I'm not complaining that you spoiled it for me, but I'm just saying, like, even after knowing what happens in the manga, I still kind of think I'm like, okay, I kind of want to see it. How did they get there? How do they get to that point at that point? So I'm like, okay, that makes me even more intrigued to figure out what the hell is going on. Uh the music was fairly elegant, kind of like it had that aristocratic vibe, kind of like what Black Button have to, where I kind of like the how the music matched the vibe of the show. The artwork, once again, like you can tell who's the main character based on the style of the hair, how big their eyes are, like those Yuki looking like a fucking doll. Like, you know, those doll-like eyes, like those big bug eyes, where like not unattractive, but it's almost like Jesus Christ, almost like her eyes is like twice as big as everybody else's, but it's gotta be like those big dope puppy doll eyes, where it's almost like you look into those eyes and you're just like, damn, I can't say no to you.
SPEAKER_01:Uh Still Doll.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That that's what the name of that song is.
SPEAKER_03:Was it the first one or the second one?
SPEAKER_01:The first one.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, I like the first one. Um it was the one where um she's like uh sitting in her room and like she was holding a mirror, and there was like a tear of blood dripping down. What was it that one? Was it that one?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's called Still Doll.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I still listen to that song.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I like that one. Uh the music was good, character art was good, the characters actually felt like characters, the story was interesting enough. Yeah, I would say at least an eight out of ten, maybe an eight point five. How about you said?
SPEAKER_01:It's a good rating from you, JV. I like that. I have to go for an 8.5, normally from nostalgia, because yeah, that's that was my childhood right there, but I enjoyed it thoroughly. The manga made it a solid 8.5.
SPEAKER_03:The uh um um the uh sweet home Alabama said that that's what kind of brought the score down.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna be honest with you, but I would it was almost a nine, but uh to be fair, that was very popular at the time, the whole incest thing.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that that's what killed, that's what ruined the regular Magic High School for me. I'm telling you, if you've seen that anime, I'm like, bro, this anime to me, it was good in its own right. The only thing that fucking ruined it was the fact that the even though they were not blood related, the fact that the sister was just in love with her brother. It wasn't even a matter of like, oh, she was like admiring her brother, like Yuki and Myers kind of no no. It was like, okay, one day he saved her from some thugs, and ever since then she had like this hero slash brother complex where like all of a sudden she's like, Oh, well, y'all don't see his potential and value like I do. Like, I seen him do amazing things and whatnot, and then it just seemed like okay, at first it seemed like she just had a lot of um pride for her brother, but then come to find out, oh, she actually developed feelings for him, and he kind of plays along, but not that seriously. It's almost like he would be saying, like, oh well, you know, we're brother and sister, so that wouldn't be very appropriate. But if we were to hypothetically be a couple or whatnot, and then I'm like, bro, bro, why are you giving her hope like that? Like, don't like don't don't don't do that. Like, especially it's like don't tell me that you're actually entertaining the idea. I get it, I get it. In Japan, it's a thing to where if you're like married into the family, you can still like marry your sister, like I'm like uh uh-uh, mm-mm. Here in America, that's too weird. That's too weird. Like, I get it, I I respect it. Hey, y'all have at it over there, but over here in the States, I'm I'm sorry, that's a little too weird for me.
SPEAKER_00:Depends on where you live.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. But um, yeah, 8.5 out of 10, like almost a nine, but um, I mean, yeah, Yuki ended up with zero, getting married, zero, whatnot, anyways, but but still though the fact that they they were entertaining it, yeah. Um, I mean, yeah. But um, anything else, Subby?
SPEAKER_01:No, we pretty much covered it for me.
SPEAKER_03:All right, cool, cool, cool. Well, that is it for our review on Vampire Night, Sebbie. I do thank you for being on this episode with me. And to the deal listener, I do thank you for hearing us rant and ramble to the end. Do stay nerdy, do remember that great things are coming. Go ahead and have yourself a good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. But ultimately, take it easy. We're gonna go ahead and zone up out of here.
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