Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt: Trigger’s Fallen Angels Return

The cult chaos of Panty & Stocking crashes back into our feeds, and we’re sorting the sparks from the smoke. We pull apart what made season one a nine-out-of-ten riot—cartoon shell, anime soul, and that iconic Anarchy cue—and why season two, despite Trigger’s hyper stylized flair, feels sleeker but softer around the edges. Think Newgrounds energy filtered through modern sensibilities: the parodies still pop, the transformations still dazzle, yet the writing sometimes swaps sharp character beats for a stack of cameos.

We dig into the big swings and the pulled punches. The Demon Sisters get the glow‑up they deserved, turning every run‑in into a proper rivalry with real chemistry, while the new angel bros speak fluent Gen Z with reckless confidence. At the same time, the reworked tone clips one of the series’ most provocative threads: Garterbelt. Instead of reinventing him with a clear arc, season two trims him down to scolding and scheming, and the absence of a meaningful rewrite is felt. We’re not arguing for old shock value; we’re arguing for better writing—replacing retired gags with growth, consequence, and character‑driven humor.

Along the way, we connect the dots between Drawn Together, South Park, Clone High, and the broader “sanitized reboot” era. We debate the art of endings, the danger of cliffhangers with no plan, and why some shows—like Edgerunners or Scott Pilgrim Takes Off—achieve cult status by knowing when to bow out. Our final read: season one remains essential viewing; season two is a lively, good‑looking return that needs sharper teeth and bolder stakes to stand shoulder to shoulder with its predecessor.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Nostalgia, Toonami, and First Impressions
• 1:00 Adult Cartoon Look, Anime Heart
• 2:00 Season Two’s Trigger DNA
• 3:30 Humor, Parodies, and Fan Service
• 5:00 Cast, Demon Sisters, and Rival Energy
• 7:30 Voice Acting Changes and Fit
• 9:30 Why Season Two Feels Toned Down
• 11:00 South Park, Drawn Together, and Influence
• 13:00 Angels, Demons, and “Biblical” Chaos
• 15:00 Character Writing and Garter Belt’s Vanishing Act
• 17:30 Reboots, Cancel Culture, and Rewrites
• 19:00 Clone High, Johnny Bravo, and Modern Limits
• 21:00 Season Structure, New Angel Bros, and Canon
• 23:00 Stakes, Non-Endings, and “Vacation” Villains
• 25:00 Music, Transformations, and Iconic Anarchy
• 26:30 Parody Overload vs. Plot Momentum
• 28:00 Ratings: High Season One, Mixed Season Two
• 30:00 Final Thoughts and Sign‑Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:01

What up gang? Let's talk about Penny and Stalking with Carter Belt and the new season that came out this year. What can I say? What can I say? Rewatching season one, it just brought up old memories of how like I used to watch this show when I like I won't say a baby weed, but more like I was going through my self-discovery phase. Well, how can I put this? Uh it's like after the golden age of Tsunami, and it got to a point to where if you want to watch new anime, you might as well just uh go online and try to find some site to watch new anime. And painting and stocking has to be one of those shows where I'm like, okay, I never heard of this anime. Well, that's the crazy thing.

SPEAKER_03: 0:50

Adult cartoon.

SPEAKER_01: 0:51

Yeah, like it looks like an adult cartoon, but it feels like especially considered that Gynax, the same people behind Girl and the Gone, was behind the first season, but you know, after the big split at Gynex, um, that's how Studio Trigger was formed, and now Panny and Stalking is under Studio Trigger. So, in a way, like especially with season two, uh, if you've seen Kill of Kill and Girl and Gun and uh especially Space Cup Luco, which is like this short version, short anime, and it got even had a fucking parody to that anime, too. That's how you can tell, like, okay, that's how you can tell this is a studio trigger production. Uh but it just feels like an anime, like it's it looks like an adult cartoon, but it feels like an anime at times, like especially with this second season where it had like the anime tropes here and there, you know, like with the some of the ghosts passing on and whatnot, it's like that tearful anime type scene. I'm like, okay, okay. Like so, yeah, adult cartoon, but kind of feels like anime too. But outside of that, it's funny. It is funny, like they got some great references. Like, hey, they did Transformers, they did Star Wars. I was geeking out when they did a Magic the Gathering episode, and outside of all that, the whole show just feels like one big sex, it's like just sexual in the window everywhere, and I'm not complaining too much about it. It's just that's pretty much it. It's like mainly uh panty getting her rocks up with some dudes, stalking eating some sweets, Garabell having his Cedric Kinks and uh you have the Demon Sisters, you have their cousins, or not the Demon's cousins, but uh panting stocking cousins um coming up as rivals. It's almost like random shenanigans up until they decide to throw a little bit of quiet in it. But uh Kobe Gasu, Sebie Phantom, I do thank you for being on for this review. Let's start with Sebi. How are you feeling about panty and stock with Garter Belt? Since Kobe Gasu is gonna grill me for no, you gotta see the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02: 3:35

So I have to go.

SPEAKER_01: 3:36

You gotta say garter belt.

SPEAKER_02: 3:38

I have to say with the garter belt.

SPEAKER_01: 3:40

Yeah, you gotta see the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03: 3:42

Oh my god, you gotta say the whole thing. Okay, well like a pimp named Slipbat.

SPEAKER_02: 3:47

Stop I remember when you know little little 12-year-old me watching those anime music videos, and these two transformation videos just pop up on some random rock and roll song, and I'm like, what is this anime? And had to download fun animation to watch this stuff at the time. This this is definitely a childhood. Shouldn't have been watching it at that age, but it definitely introduced me to the whole magical girl life.

SPEAKER_01: 4:23

That's crazy too, because in a way, painting stalking just feels like something straight from Newgrounds.

SPEAKER_02: 4:30

Y'all remember I remember playing all the Newground. Don't even get started on that. Nope, nope, nope, nope.

SPEAKER_03: 4:37

That's gonna be a whole after dark segment, nostalgia episode, Newgrounds. That's gonna be a whole thing in itself.

SPEAKER_01: 4:43

Hey, you know what? I need to write that down. I'm gonna write that down.

SPEAKER_02: 4:47

Because not to go off on something random, but Newgrounds was like an eye-opening thing that I shouldn't have been on either. But I like this anime. I remember first season that was nostalgia, watching that one over, and then coming into the second season. I'm a little iffy on the second season, I'm not gonna lie to you. With someone growing up with companions talking as original voice actors coming on to the second season. I was like, I don't know how I feel about it, but I got used to it. I like it. More towards the first season than the second season, to be fair.

SPEAKER_01: 5:30

Okay, we're gonna call it New Grounds and Mature Gaming.

SPEAKER_04: 5:35

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03: 5:41

Alright. So look for me onto Penny and Stalking, I agree a lot of things with Messi for the same for me. So I found penny and stalking in two different ways. One, it was when it was first announced, it was one of those secret announced um shows. It's like, oh, you gotta watch this type of thing. And I'm like, I don't sure if I'm gonna watch it. I watched it. I actually reason I watched it was because I was tricked into watching it, okay. During the time when Penny and Stalking came out, was the same time that Cartoon Network had high high puffy. Okay, yes, I mean, you mean yes, especially when finding out those two girls are the are the ones that did the um the song for Teen Titans Go. I was uh all into it, loved it, absolutely love the show. So I'm still upset at how they canceled it. I'm like, why would you do that? But that was like a trope that they were doing at the time. It was two power two magical girls, one is bubbly, one is edgy. You know, it's the same for penny and stocking, and then you have their male um like male manager that was taking care of it.

SPEAKER_01: 6:41

Would you say Panny is bubbly though?

SPEAKER_02: 6:44

Yeah, I I I would at least in her own way in her own way, in her own way, in her own way, she is.

SPEAKER_03: 6:50

She be popping with these dudes like like pills, she popping dudes like pills, you notice. And being an angel, she can't get an STD, so it and she can't get pregnant, so she doesn't even care for her. It's free roam of everything, which is good lord. Worst combination, anyway. So yeah, I agree. I I shouldn't have been watching it, but I was tricked into watching it because I can't remember the dude's name. I only remember his gamer tag. Anyway, is the fact that he told me he was like, yo, yo, you gotta watch this. He said, it's just like how I had Foxyama Yumi, but better. And I said, for real?

SPEAKER_01: 7:22

And that's how I got caught. First of all, it feels like one of those things where like I think I wore the wrong um show. Like, you know, like I thought this was supposed to be um Pokey Yama Yumi. Um, second of all, it's like it it kind of gives off the same trolling as when some people like that recommend shit like uh uh what was it? Poku no pico and Yosuka no Sora. And I'm sitting like, what the okay, and then the more you hear people like recommending it, I'm like, oh okay. So it's one of those troll things where like you just want to traumatize some people or some shit.

SPEAKER_03: 7:58

And I I was not traumatized, but it was definitely very eye-opening. And so I was like, oh my god, um, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 8:04

Sexual awakening.

SPEAKER_03: 8:07

I mean, I'm not gonna lie, I kind of was we we've had I've had a whole segment before that. I was waking earlier, it was just one that I was like not prepared at that moment to be watching, so I was like, oh my god, but I enjoyed it, it was so stupid hilarious. And Messi, I fully agree with you about um season one and season two. So here's the thing because I talked about this with um JB even before this, is the fact season two um is still wild nonsense, but if you notice it is toned down a lot more. There's a particular reason for it, is because not just cancel culture but all the bullshit that's going on right now. Like, for example, there are no jokes about guard, there's no jokes about Gardebelt um being the pedal priest papy in season two, like at all. He does not make moves, he's not making moves on briefs in season one. He was always making a move on briefs. That was every single episode, exactly, because it was part of the joke, is the fact that he's the priest that's got not going after the young boy. You a young boy, I like that. That became a whole thing. Well, you know, it's it's aware, it's more aware now that that is what happens to a lot of boys. They were unfortunately taken advantage of by a lot of these fake priests that call themselves Pete Priests and stuff, and they would do these things, and so because of that, it's no longer funny anymore, so they removed that joke. I fully understand that, but because there's so much of that happening now, so much sexual trauma that goes around now, sexual jokes are not as funny anymore, so it has to be toned down a lot. So, because of that is why like season two, it's doesn't seem as funny anymore because we're leaning from the extremely over-sexualized, over just over-the-top drama to it being toned down, and to try to keep things funny, we're gonna drop cameo after cameo after cameo, we're gonna make the cameos funny, we're gonna make fun of all these different shows. It's like it's like what happened was is that season two for me uh turned into South Park in a sense. Oh, you know what's crazy?

SPEAKER_01: 10:08

Yeah, now uh you want to know what's crazy? Uh there is one of the guys who provided the initial idea for the series, you know, while Guy Nash was like going on vacation, they were getting drunk and like uh doing a whole bunch of uh shit. They were like uh spitballing ideas for a new uh anime. And the crazy thing is, one of the guys was like, hey, you know what? Let's make an anime just like drawn together. Like literally, you you can uh look it up. Like they pretty much use drawn together as an inspiration for the crudeness of this show.

SPEAKER_03: 10:49

I love that. You can definitely see that. You can definitely see that.

SPEAKER_01: 10:52

Like that was so fucking funny, but like once again, it's one of those shows where I'm like, bro, it would not survive in today's function.

SPEAKER_03: 11:01

Think about it this way. Like, for example, a lot of people know Stan Lee is well known for Marvel and stuff like that, but most people don't know about Stan Lee's secret projects that he did that next part with it.

SPEAKER_04: 11:11

Striparella.

SPEAKER_03: 11:12

But yeah, Stripperella. The first I watched Striparella once I was at Comedy Central after dark. And I was like, is a superhero who's a stripper? It is. I'm watching. Like I was again, another show as I am a 10-year-old kid who should not be watching this, but I'm gonna watch it. Um look, our generation is introduced to a whole lot of shit.

SPEAKER_02: 11:36

Like what are you talking about? My me in my room underneath my blanket, my DSI playing this show because I had access to free internet at the time.

SPEAKER_03: 11:47

Oh yes. Having access to my neighbor's Wi-Fi, biggest mistake, bro. I was I was into every damn thing possible. I was that was my first experience with the dark web. Anyway, and co figure, we actually have jokes on the dark web even on pain stock. Penny stocking picks on things like that too, about literally getting exposed to stuff early. That's the whole thing for Briefs, the fact that he was exposed early thanks to you know Panty. I actually really liked the show, the concept of the show based upon how the characters are. The one thing I really appreciated for season two was getting more incorporation of the Demon Sisters. Anti and Nishawks are my fucking favorite characters of the entire series. I love them in season one because whenever they showed, it was like the way they showed up in season one was like when the rowdy rough boys would show up the power up girls. As soon as you heard it was about to get fucked, he was like, Oh, damn. The rowdy rough boys showed up. Oh, that means the girls about to have a time right now, it's about to get crazy. Because every single time they showed up, they would give the girls the hardest damn trouble until they could finally find a way to like beat them, type of thing. And it's like every single time, it was like damn, it wasn't it on the same scale of Green Ranger showing up and fighting Morphin, but damn near close. As soon as they show up, you know, some shit was about to pop off. And it was the same thing for scanty knee socks. As soon as they showed up, Panty and Stock and was like, Oh my god, not you two again. Like, why has it gotta be you? I'd rather fight another ghost, another demon, whatever. But I hate fighting y'all. It was like just it was amazing seeing it. Then, of course, you know, Scanty is you know, Scanty and Nislocks are like the proper, the nice, the high class versions and stuff like that. Oh, we're demons, but we hold ourselves to a high standard, and it's like the whole reversal. Like you would expect the way Panty and Stalking are acting to be like, oh, you're fallen angels. Yeah, I can see that. Y'all act like fallen angels and demons versus these rising demons. That's like y'all act more like what we'd expect angels to act like.

SPEAKER_01: 13:51

Man, it kind of crazy how like Panty and Stalking kind of did it a while ago before Hello Boss and uh Hashman Hotel, where it just seemed like uh oh, the angels and whatnot are that um pure. And meanwhile, the demons are like, okay, they're demons and they're like degenerates, but at least they're honest about being degenerates. Hey, as the group in this case, they're more proper in this one. Where it's like, wow, like crazy how like the demons are asking the more appropriate one, while the angels are like um party boys and party girls just having origins and shit.

SPEAKER_03: 14:31

Look, as the um as as the the group philosopher, as well as also because here's the thing, I am Christian, but I'm also I'm a Christian that like pays attention to a lot of other stuff. I look at all other religions. I have read a lot of those other books, I looked at a whole so many different things, okay? So understand this. Uh, because the series is primarily based with the Christianity belief, just like Hell of a Boss and Um and Hasman O'Tell is actually heavily based more on the on Christianity, but it's also that moment of understanding that yes, uh a couple books of the Bible was removed. Most people kind of most people know this now, but what you don't understand is that in those books, angels are horny ass motherfuckers. Like most of the shit that would happen is the fact that angels would look down and be like, damn, that's a fine motherfucker right there, and then make half angel babies and all types of shit would happen. And I kid you not, the same shit that we blame that you would blame Zeus for, then you'd be like, oh man, Zeus was horny as hell, type of shit. Yeah, congratulations. That's actually how the angels were. They weren't that horny ass motherfucker. They would come down just to do shit. Just because and the funny thing about it is that the demons would actually not be fucked. The demons only show up just to fuck with people, type of thing. Oh, we're just here to to raise hell, like how Scanty and Nitox were. Like if they show up, they would just raise hell, type of thing, versus Penny Stalking would cause hell every time they showed up. It's believe it or not, that actually is based upon the actual religion, based upon the actual stories. And that's why the Catholic Church removed those stories because they're like, no, we're not we're gonna remove those. No, you go back and read those, it's some crazy shit that happened. But it's like, yeah, no, this this is actually almost biblically accurate. The only difference is the fact that they look human, you know. Angels didn't look that human, they were just like jumping.

SPEAKER_01: 16:26

Yeah, it's like, don't fear me, child. I'm like, um, can you like fix that? Like, if anything, it's more like I'm not afraid, you just very hard to look at.

SPEAKER_03: 16:44

But no, so yeah, it's it's hilarious on that. But that's also one again. Like I love scanty Nissocks in their characters. I like that we get more of a corporation of them. Like you also mentioned too Nissocks having the job that she works at the um the comic book store with the the cars and the sales and they have the magic gathering episode, and Panty's like all into this because she needs to pay back this debt. Because it's like, oh my god, I can't. You're telling me that I can't um I can't just call guys and it's just gonna show up whenever anymore. Is it no? Uh I will say, so I was very curious at the very beginning of the series. I wasn't with the way that Panty and Stalking ended, and then it was announced that the series was done, they were not gonna come back. I was so pissed off because you was like, How the hell you gonna end it with fucking uh stalking slicing up panty and then be like, oh, I'm a demon, and then dirts away, and you're like that. You're just gonna end the series like that. And I'm like, So how are you gonna explain that? I'm actually very curious how y'all felt about that explanation. To me, it was kind of like it was okay, I'll accept it, but it definitely wasn't one that I kind of was gonna say I was happy about. About the whole, oh, it's a little brain worm that we put in I put in her brain and just saying over and over again, I'm a demon. So she thinks that she is. And I was like, really?

SPEAKER_01: 18:03

Honestly, once again, like we just did the Kai G number eight review at this point. Uh, it it kind of gives me that same vibe to where it just feels like you uh left it off on this cliffhanger, and you're just kind of not expecting anyone to uh want a second season from that. It's like you're just kind of uh hinging that cliffhanger on a new season to be produced, but it's like you're not telling us any plans to make a second season, so I I don't really know how to feel about that. Like uh, I I'm kind of glad they brought it back because not gonna lie, I completely forgot that's how they ended season one off until I dove back into it trying to prepare for season two, and I'm like, whoa, hold on, like, keep in mind that uh the first season, what was that back in 2010? That was 15 years ago. Like, I did not remember it ending off that. I know, like, that's the funny thing about brief, to where brief is just there until the plot demands that he needs to serve some sort of purpose, so it's like he just kind of like that sidekick character that's sent thing for panty, up until okay, you're finally useful for something. Magical dick energy. Yeah, like I remember that with his magical dick energy, um, trying to save um panty and whatnot, but I completely forgot that's how they ended it off right there. Like they just sliced her up, um swiped up panty saying, Oh, I'm gonna eat and just ran off. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Uh I'm like well, damn near 50. Oh man, I was almost about to go full syndrome, whereas like too late 15 years too late. But like just imagine uh if we just stopped caring about panning and stock and buy then. I was like, Well, too late. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 20:15

That's kind of what happened to me. I'm not gonna lie to you. Your last episode of season one kind of felt like a cop-out to me. Like, you're just gonna end it like that. Well, thanks a lot for nothing. I love again, I love it, but again, at the same time, it's like 15 years went by. I have season one syndrome all over this thing, like the rest of my Orange High School Host Club, not gonna talk about that. Um, I'm just gonna forget about it, I'm not gonna see it again, and then all of a sudden, 15 years later, I'm now an adult, and I'm like, okay, we're getting a season two of Panny and Stocking. Like, hello, like, okay, I guess we're exactly gonna go back and watch season one all over again, fall in love with it, and then season two. Uh again, I just kind of felt like uh kind of dropped off the face of the earth for me. It's like it's to me it's like a one-shot anime almost. You watch it all the way through, and then you just kind of end it on the last episode, like, okay, I watched it. But it's so good at the same time.

SPEAKER_03: 21:28

It has wonderful moments that is like, okay, this is hilarious. Um, I mean, that's that's pretty much how I felt like I do. That's how I felt about season two was the fact, okay. I understand the point of you had to remove some of the main jokes. I get that. Um, to me, that now becomes a point of was it worth it to make a season two when your this whole series is based on these overly sexualized jokes that now you have to get rid of. You know what it is?

SPEAKER_01: 21:55

It's like because they can't get away with all those different sex jokes and whatnot, it's more like it went from being uh well like, you know, like with Rick and Morty, where most of the um episodes in that scene is like uh not really uh scripted or serialized or not canonical. That's the thing, it's like they made season two more canonical, where it's like, okay, you have the demon sisters uh living with Panty and Stocking uh with Gardeville after you know the whole shit that went down with Corset, where it's like, okay, they're homeless, so they need to uh they just pretty much uh sharing that truth with them. And then you have the angel brothers, uh polyester and par your thing, which is funny because they talk like how Gen Z and Gen Alpha talk nowadays, and I want to say it's kind of funny up until they say low-key a little too much, like at least switch it up by saying high key or on key. I'm like, okay, that's not accurate.

SPEAKER_03: 23:03

Like, no, I'm gonna be honest with you. I have I have a daughter that's Jen Alpha. Low-key is said 56 times in a 15 sentence, in the 15 word sentence. It is it is absolutely accurate. It is said that damn much. I I promise you, that is and as aggravating as it feels, it's just let's be honest, we're millennials. This that's the main reason why Zen Z didn't out perplex me.

SPEAKER_01: 23:37

Y'all perplex me.

SPEAKER_02: 23:39

Can I be considered millennials? Can I just be considered as a millennial at this point? Because, like, technically I'm part of Gen Z, but that's beside the point.

SPEAKER_03: 23:50

Uh look, Gen Z and millennials are pretty much about the same. Is there's like so there's this little pool between like the end of Gen Z, that like the beginning of Gen Z and the end of millennials. That's technically you're both. It's like the like astral science type of thing. If you fit in that window between, then you're both. Who cares?

SPEAKER_01: 24:08

I just it's like it's like being a 90s kid to where you're like you grew up on old school, but you're also young enough to kind of follow the new school. I'm I can kind of keep up with y'all, but y'all kind of losing me with the dumb shit.

SPEAKER_03: 24:26

Skippity toilet. Right. I'm like, what the fuck is that?

SPEAKER_02: 24:32

So to me again, with going back to panty and stalking, it's like taking high school dxd, remastering it today, and just cutting out all the nudity. Season two.

SPEAKER_03: 24:43

Yeah, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. No, nude. So that's one thing about it. Like season two has nothing but nudity.

SPEAKER_02: 24:48

No, I understand that, but it's like taking away their ecci, like completely, just disappearing. Okay. I mean, that's what it feels like to me. Like if high school dxd came out remastered, like brand new, like kind of like how Fruits Baskets did their remastered version of it. It's the same thing, just different artwork. If they if they came out with it today, I feel like a lot of people. I I feel like they would take away a lot of different aspects of it because I got into a heated debate a couple of years ago in regards to high school dxd. It's one of my all-time favorite edgy things, but I got into a very heated argument with somebody at a Comic-Con one year and about like ages, whatever. I feel like that's kind of what would happen if high school DXD came out now.

SPEAKER_03: 25:44

I mean, right. Yeah, high school DSD has been like remastered, as uh not remastered it, like the new seasons that keep coming out. I will say do feel a little lackluster from the previous. It's one of the ones that surprisingly have not picked up the manga for it. I don't know why, but the manga's nice.

SPEAKER_01: 25:58

Yeah, that's the crazy thing about high school D uh D by D because like it despite the uh sexual jokes, the world building is what really grips you because like you have all these real well like uh these uh noticeable deities, like hell, like if um the anime kept going, you would have found out that oh yeah, like uh Jesus, the Jesus had like this weapon that could have wiped out uh hell, heaven, all this is. And I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, so when we gonna get into season five, like uh season five? What the fuck are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02: 26:41

It goes back to that whole yeah, heaven is good, bad, good, hell is shit.

SPEAKER_03: 26:49

And then and then they incorporate like every mythology into it, like you know, someone call shows up and he was just like, I don't care, I just want to fight people. He's like, No, you're supposed to be like the one of the higher hierarchies of heaven, like seriously. Um, now I want to mention I I have to mention this because I have to. You want to mess with me about the fact that I haven't said that I was saying you gotta say Penny Socky with Gardebell, you gotta include him into it, but you still to this day, we have done how many reviews of high school DXD, and you still gotta say D by D. You can't say DXD, that's still a thing for you.

SPEAKER_02: 27:20

Yeah, you're saying can I say that I didn't really get a lot of Garter Belt? I mean, he was in season two, but I felt like I didn't get I guess that's where that whole cancel culture comes in. I feel like I didn't get a lot of him.

SPEAKER_03: 27:39

No, he he was removed. That's the thing. That's what I was saying. His whole thing is based upon him being the the sexualized priest and stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 27:48

And this was the brave report. I kind of glossed over that element where like uh I thought he was like just being friendly towards Brie Bike. Oh wait, I was not thinking I'll be like that.

SPEAKER_03: 28:03

It was intense nonsense. So, yeah, because of that, that's his whole writing. All of season one, when you pay attention to it, his writing is only two things he's either giving panty and stalking orders and yelling at them about being lazy and shit, or constantly over sexualizing over briefs. So when you remove that, that one segment, and you realize the fact that a good portion of him is him constantly making advancements at briefs at every given moment, and you remove that, you realize that he actually does not have much for character development in season two because they've just removed that whole thing for him, and it's like, dang. And so you kind of figure out like what would you do?

SPEAKER_01: 28:41

Well, another thing about Gardeville that I know is how it seemed like he's trying to really hard to try to bribe himself into having like trying to piss up to uh the king of a king um panty and stocking. Um but that's the crazy part of the words, like I feel like I I'm pretty sure that this wasn't even alluded to in season one. But to find out that, oh, they're not just um fallen angels that was banished from heaven for um some bullshit, but they were the daughters of the king and queen of heaven. And they also had this uncle who was like fought against um all of them, with um polyester and party your thing being uh his sons, but uh crazy enough, like uh oh, they aren't allowed to call him father, uh they just call him your highness and whatnot. And then they got that one time where, like, eh, you can call me father design. All right, we're we're almost gonna win, so you might as well just I'm feeling so good. Like, y'all can call me father if you want to. But no, no, no. It's like It's like Gordobell is trying to kiss up to all these folks, trying to um buy his he's literally trying to buy his way into heaven. And it's funny, but also predictable how when he tried to do the same thing, Brie and Chuck did to like kind of kill himself, uh, thanks to Gunsmith bitch uh helping them out. And Gardeville also took that uh concoction to kill himself so he can hopefully uh get back into heaven, and then he ended up going to hell with uh the Dina's sister. And I'm like, Yep, that was deserved. I don't even feel me. I was like, I was kind of laughing, but like, ha ha ha ha ha, you thought you were going to heaven, the way you're trying to buy your way to heaven.

SPEAKER_03: 30:52

Look, the way Gardevelt was doing, he was either gonna go to hell or go to limbo. That was gonna be a thing. And from my understanding, there there is no limbo in the series, so it kept us pretty much still.

SPEAKER_01: 31:03

Yeah. Or it could have been one of those things where um Earth is actually the real limbo to where, oh, if you die, you just get reincarnated. I'm like, no, I don't want to be here, like taping to heaven. Like, nope. Like just imagine can you imagine um being reincarnated on on earth being worse than going to hell?

SPEAKER_02: 31:26

I feel like that kind of Satan City is kind of the heaven to hell thing.

SPEAKER_03: 31:33

Yeah. I mean, think about it like how many people keep coming back as ghosts, like constantly, and they're unable to move on, type of thing. I think that's pretty much what it is. Like your soul is stuck there. This might be pretty much this is just a limbo. Like they didn't actually go to Earth. This is just a segment of Earth that's been cut off from the rest of the world, type of thing, and it's not because even the news segments, the news segments never talk about the earth being destroyed, it's just that city.

SPEAKER_02: 31:57

The state and city, exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 31:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 32:00

Another thing, just to tuck off of Garter Belt, is this is nothing against Daniel Walton. I think he's a really great voice actor. Um, and this might be a little controversial. I don't think he gave Garter Belt justice to me. And not to say Christopher Sokbault back in season one. That's all my that's he plays a lot of different guys, but I just feel like we're I don't think we got the same, like Garter, like I'm not saying it has to be the same Gardevelt, but I just don't think I got that full-on, like, yeah, this is Gardevelt. This is the guy I remember. But again, I guess that's where it comes down to a lot of I don't want to say the wrong thing here, but I think that's where a lot of of that whole cancel culture characters and voice actors kind of starting to mix together instead of let's find the perfect voice per character. I I I guess I'm not saying this correctly, to be fair and honest. Um pretty much. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 33:08

I I agree with you on to it. That's how I feel too. Because it's one of those ones like now your character's been his a lot of his lines, a lot of stuff has been cut out, and he's not as much of a big presence there anymore. So it's one of those ones like do you take full advantage of the limited time that you have, or do you just kind of just get it over with type of thing? Because anytime that I've done, I've always met I've always mentioned like a lot of old podcasts. So if your old time listeners know I do this, or never know I rate like an actor, an actor, actress, voice actor, voice actor is always based on three things. It's gonna be based on believability, it's gonna be based on writing, and it's gonna be based on how the voice acting itself, the afflections and everything is all that comes together in different ways. And so it's like you could have an actor that does fantastic. As soon as they get on screen, as soon as you hear their voice, they're like booming out there, like it sells it. But if it's bad writing, it's not gonna do anything. And that's kind of one that kind of hit hard here because yeah, you're not gonna get the same guard belt. And I get what you mean. You don't want necessarily the same, it doesn't have to be it's a whole new season, but you still gotta have energy, you still gotta have that feel to it, and it wasn't there, you're right, but then he he wasn't present. There's not much every single time they show a garde belt, he was doing something sneaky. It was either he was sneaking or he was yelling at pinning and stalking and knee toxic and uh scandy, and that was about it. So it was like uh you don't see him much, and then so you only see him being sneaky. Can't really give much of the energy in that. That's one of the ones I kind of to me personally, I put down the writing. But he said can't be a good one.

SPEAKER_01: 34:47

It just feels like at this point, since um Garter Girl is suffering from character assassination. I'm kind of looking at that uh title and I'm like, I think we can erase the Garter Girl part.

SPEAKER_03: 35:02

See, yeah. Now look, I will I want to if we can mention a couple things here into it. Camp character assassination is a very specific thing to mention it today because it's one of those ones that character assassination happens very specifically onto this. Okay. So for example, back with the Space Jam uh New A New Legacy, the new one that came the newest one, where Pepe Le Pew, where they had to completely redo the entire thing to completely cut out Peppa Pew's scenes because of how his character was written. His character was written to be constantly uh sexualizing women, always just wanting to get with the um with the cat girl, and just always just like always trying to do whatever. And it's like, yeah, okay, he's over forward, he never accepts a no as an answer, and he's too much. And like, I fully get that, I fully get that into it. And so it became a whole thing where it's like, no, we need to completely remove his character, but it was one of those ones I'm like, okay, but you have the ability to rewrite him instead of just killing it off. How about you rewrite him as a person that says, Hey, you know, that was a past me. I used to do a lot of crazy things, and that's not me anymore. And I want to and I can prove myself where I'm gonna do better type of thing. You have the option to do so, or do the lazy out and just character assassinate.

SPEAKER_01: 36:17

But that's the crazy part where uh when it comes to like cartoon characters and whatnot, okay, maybe they he might get a second chance. But that's the crazy part about cancel culture to where it kind of doesn't matter uh how long it's been since that was uh in your past and whatnot. Some people just feel, oh well, nope. Uh now that I know that you did all that, I just can't see you in any better lighting than that. Like yeah, it's like it's just like nope, I I'm just too stuck on you doing that that long ago to a point to where they're just no coming back from that. It's like you might will just stay cancel and live in a forge in a log cabin and like just delete your social media accounts and shit, like like you're not allowed to speak anymore. We better not cast you out on these streets.

SPEAKER_03: 37:16

That's that's just kind of the thing. I mean, everyone has a right, you have a right to for forgiveness, you have a right to not forgive. That that is a personal choice, and you fully understand to it. It's just weird to me about cartoon characters. It's like it's it's a cartoon, though, you know. Just kind of it's not like this is an actual person going out doing evil bad stuff, type of thing. Because and another example is that Johnny Bravo. I didn't even like you know, cancel culture came hard for Johnny Bravo. I didn't realize how hard it wound up coming to the point that they I did not know that they remade the Johnny Bravo series. They did, I didn't they did, yeah, they did exactly. I didn't know that until like it randomly popped up one time. I was watching a video that someone was talking about how cancel culture caused uh changes in characters and stuff, and yeah, they they redid Johnny Bravo, and it was like, what? But it was one of those ones where just like okay, we're gonna rewrite the character, and then they didn't rewrite the character. And it was like, why would you it doesn't make sense? Like you said you were gonna rewrite it, you didn't rewrite it, and then you're wondering why people still keep coming by at canceling again for it, and then the animation was absolutely trash, it wasn't funny, like you took that took away most of the humor for it. Johnny's biggest thing about it is the fact that he was he still thought every single woman was beautiful, type of thing. That's just how he was. He always came up and be like, Oh, you're beautiful. I want to come out, I want to come talk to you, I want to talk to you, type of thing.

SPEAKER_01: 38:37

And then he always be ironic beauty to Johnny Braugo to her, like, hey man, pussy's pussy.

SPEAKER_03: 38:44

That's the thing for it. He's like, that's kind of how he is, type of stuff. And so it's like, okay, but yeah, it was like, wait, you you redid the okay, so hold on. You say you're gonna fix it, you don't fix it, and now you're more upset about it. I'm confused. I'm like, now I'm just kind of lost on things. It's like so you have the ability to rewrite a character if it's become a problem, and I think that is something that can happen with what could have happened easily with Guardabelt as well. Too, he could have been more present, there could have been more of a rewriting board, there could have been more things, more of this, more of that. There's always something that you could change or do better. It's just that it kind of felt like I don't know what to do. We base his whole character on these jokes of him being um constantly going after briefs and being overly sexualized with briefs, and now we have to remove that. I don't have anything, I don't have any more use for him. And then that's when I was like, dang, yep, that's his own character assassination by the writers, because they don't know what else to do. That's always the scariest thing is making a character that you don't know what to do with it, and you're like, hmm, you're kind of just floating in the wind.

SPEAKER_02: 39:49

Well, unfortunately, sorry.

SPEAKER_03: 39:52

Oh no, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02: 39:54

Unfortunately, what I'm seeing is that a lot of the older animes, a lot of the older cartoons that showed a bunch of like sexual innuendos, um, just things of that nature, I'm seeing that come back nowadays. And there's and again, they're skipping around with it because the ones they don't want to interact with cancel culture, they they're trying to rewrite it, but unfortunately their writing isn't the best. It would be like if Ren and Stimpy came back today.

SPEAKER_03: 40:22

What would you think about? Please no. Oh god.

SPEAKER_02: 40:28

I'm just using it as an example. Like, if we took a sexualized anime or a cartoon, an adult film, and brought it back today and went, we're just gonna take everything out, and here is cardboard.

SPEAKER_01: 40:43

Hey, you know what is crazy? It reminded me of what that what happened to Clone High, where it's like, okay, they rebooted Clone High, but they had to practically remove Gandhi because oh, um, people who uh revere Gandhi, they don't like the way he's being represented in this show. So it's like either like he has to be toned down or completely removed. So imagine what long they took to that.

SPEAKER_03: 41:11

I feel like if you have to rewrite a key character, just make a whole new series.

SPEAKER_04: 41:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 41:17

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 41:20

I mean, then again, we have shit like Dom where they try to rewrite a whole shit, and that did not pan out.

SPEAKER_02: 41:27

Unfortunately, that's the that's the cause and effect of making a series nowadays that was something to something to now. You have panning a stocking with starter belt, and you made it now, and then you took a lot of it to juice, and you squeezed it out and gave it to us. So a lot of the newer fans agree with like, oh, this is great, this is amazing, I love it. And then a lot of older fans like us are unfortunately like there's not spice. Where's my spice? It's it's not there.

SPEAKER_03: 42:01

So people's like, I don't know, season one was kind of a bit much.

SPEAKER_02: 42:04

That's the point.

SPEAKER_03: 42:05

That's the point that's supposed to be a bit point.

SPEAKER_02: 42:08

It's like if South Park came into next week's episode and took Cartman out.

SPEAKER_01: 42:14

Actually, that's crazy because South Park so far is still swinging with the jokes, where I'm like, they did not tone it down at all within their 26th run of doing South Park, almost to a point where, oh, South Park's getting canceled again because they made a joke about the orange man, and he didn't like that joke. So they on my camps, like whatever, man. South part gets threatened to be canceled like what 10 times, like maybe like once every year, whenever they bring out a new season. Like, that's it. It's like once a season.

SPEAKER_03: 42:46

It's like once a season, like not even once a season, once every random thing happens, boom, South Park. Every other episode is a show.

unknown: 42:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 42:54

I mean, it kind of depends. Like, sometimes it's like, okay, y'all kind of pushing it, like it's wrong, like noteworthy. Like, okay, some people are like, oh, I didn't like that guilt they made about me. But it's not like to a point to where people were like um trying to boycott South Park. It got to a point where those boys um making South Park, they got so used to people trying to cancel them that they straight up made a whole thing for like one season, like hashtag cancel South Park. Because I'm like, I they were like, I I wish you would, I wish you would cancel us. We're gonna we're gonna cancel ourselves.

SPEAKER_02: 43:34

Matt was they were very smart with what they did. And if we if the creators had the opportunity to go with the same type of flow with Panny and Stocking with Garter Belt, I gotta say the whole thing. If they continue to go forward with you're welcome, season two, if they continued going with it, I think they would have had something. I think a lot of the older bands would have actually boosted up the ratings because I saw the ratings. Half of them that come out of it are great, the other half is like, this isn't my anime, this isn't my panty, this isn't my stocking. If they continued to go with the same flow as they did last season, um again, we could have had little touch-ups and everything that they had going on. Of course, there's gonna need to be updating, just like with anything 15 years ago. I think we would have I would have enjoyed it a lot more than what I had. It's like if drawn together came out now.

SPEAKER_01: 44:36

Oh man, that would have been so sanitized.

SPEAKER_02: 44:39

Exactly. We wouldn't have had two, we wouldn't, we wouldn't have had any of the characters. Let me be fair and honest with you.

SPEAKER_01: 44:51

Oh Jesus Christ, just thinking about those episodes on Draw Together, I'm like, bro, they were really pushing that with some things. But that's what I loved about it. It's like it's like they that's the whole point of comedy. You push the envelope, you try to test the war, test the boundaries of what we can laugh at.

SPEAKER_02: 45:14

I think things like Draw Together, Panty and Stalking, South Park, a couple of others actually brought people together rather than pulling them apart because people were talking about it. Twitter's Twitter, or what is it called now?

SPEAKER_04: 45:27

Uh X. X. There we go. X.

SPEAKER_02: 45:30

X. People were talking about it. Did you guys see last episode of Panty and Stalking with Gardevelt? Did you see last episode of South Park? It got people talking. And I think that's what we're missing. Nobody's talking about it other than it came back again. It came back exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 45:51

No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. It comes off like Star Wars episode nine, where buddy was like, somehow Emperor Palpatine is back. I'm like, okay, how? Why? Why now? Like, uh explain, like, what's going on? Like, I it kind of like that, where it just felt out of nowhere. Um, coming back after 15 years, just for it to be like a sanitized um hollow shell of its former glory, to where I'm like, oh, I'm sanitized is an excellent analogy for that. This is very sanitized, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's like I guess I the main thing I like about season two is the fact that they made uh scanty and knees socks more involved, like in a way where they're still rivals with Panty and Stalky, but it's more like sometimes they're friendly towards each other. It's like it really depends on the mood, and then mainly it was like, okay, now that they're living in the um church and whatnot, it's almost like uh panty and stocky need a new rival, duo rival to beef with, and that became Carly S and Parliur thing. And uh it's kind of funny how even in this end of season two, it's like they didn't really die, neither did uh Rhymey, where it's like, okay, they just go on on vacation, they just kind of need to like get their heads straight, just you know, go on vacation. I'm like, really? That's their punishment, just go on vacation. Uh what else about the show? I mean, yeah, now I said pretty much all I gotta say on the second season, but not like for the most part, season one, like it's it's gonna be go, but season two is like I don't hate it because it's just not the same as season one, though.

SPEAKER_03: 48:05

I don't hate it, but I can't say I fully like it like that. You know, right. Yeah, it's one of one, like I be I look, I'll I'll say I went the whole thing without saying this. I tried to binge it and I fell asleep. I'm not gonna lie to you. It did not keep me awake after a while. Like I was laughing and then I stopped laughing, and then I literally fell asleep. It did happen. Just be honest. That's why I was like, Yeah. That's all I got. I don't have anything else, so I'm I'm I'm done.

SPEAKER_00: 48:30

Yeah, that's it. So you got anything you want to add on?

SPEAKER_02: 48:33

Uh I agree. I tried to watch it, all I was there for was the transformation scenes, and that kind of just went out from one ear to the other. Transformation scenes have always been my cup of tea, anyhow. So that was that was it.

SPEAKER_01: 48:48

Yeah, that's it. Oh, yeah. I almost forgot before I um forget. I do like the musical numbers. Like, okay, the new theme song is okay, but let's be honest that um the first I mean not the opening theme song for the season was, but more like their theme song, you know, anarchy, you know, that type of shit. Like, I like how that goes on in the background every now and then. And then they had a full episode. Well, not a full episode, more like you know how Panty Stalking with Gardevelt. Um, they have like there's like short form anime, but it's like they mash up two or three short episodes into one standard size episode, and they had the whole music video episode with that song, and I thought that was just so cool. But see, if anything, it's like that theme song, the anarchy theme song.

SPEAKER_02: 49:49

The theme city rock, that's where the anarchy I remember that music video came out.

SPEAKER_01: 49:55

Oh my gosh, that's like the most iconic thing that this series done. And because when I think of Panny and Stalking, I'm thinking of that theme song, especially with them like blasting ghosts and whatnot. And that's the crazy part. Like, you can tell it's a studio trigger production with the accent, where it's like it just feels like high octane random bullshit happening. Like it just got that same kind of style. Like, once again, if you watch Kill a Kill, uh Girlin' Guns, Face Cop Luaco, you'll be like, Yeah, you can tell this is a studio trigger joint. Oh, yeah, um, Darling LePron, that's also a studio trigger joint. And I'm like, Yeah, sometimes with that anime, it uh gets a little weird. But um, rating time. I want to say overall, if I'm counting for season two.

unknown: 51:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 51:06

Okay, okay, that's fair enough. I'm about to say for the whole thing, I'm like, whoa, hold on, like, damn, it took that big of a dip. But oh shit. Yeah, a six sounds about right with season two. It that's crazy how you said that you fell asleep on it because that's how I felt when I was watching Ugly Mug Epic Fighter, where I'm like, people were saying, oh, it's kind of good, but not gonna lie. Aside from the premise, it's okay. Like, I'll I'll go into detail when I do anime lightning, but I almost felt the same way about painting and stocking with Gardy Belt season two. Uh, where it just felt like, man, I mean, like, outside of uh the boys being introduced, like, usually when they get involved, like, okay, like I probably need to pay attention to something plot-related shows, though. But outside of that, it's like they weren't really doing much. It's just almost like either your typical uh one-shot bullshit or some sort of reference to some pop culture. We know, like I've said before, with like they did a Transformers parody. They um Garterbelt's backstory, or I want to say I think it's like a false backstory just to hide the fact that he likes bondage. Uh, his backstory was like based off Scarface, so so it's like there's a whole bunch of parodies and whatnot. So I'm like, on its own, it's like okay, like it's entertaining if it's like one of those things where you just turn your brain up and like have a laugh at it. But all right, rating. Uh I would say season one is definitely a nine for me. And season two about a six, just like what Cookie got success. So I'm gonna say it levels out to uh I wanna say an eight. Yeah, let's go with that.

SPEAKER_02: 53:18

How you feeling, so season two was definitely a solid eight for me. It's it's a classic anime, classical magical girls, muddy uh uh anime. I loved it, shouldn't have watched as a kid. Season two, unfortunately. I have to go down with a low, low four, which brings me down to a whole anime. Number six. If we didn't make season two, I would have been fine. I uh for me, I didn't need a season two, I was fine with season one itself.

SPEAKER_01: 53:51

That's like how some people were saying about Cyberpunk Edge Runners, where they were kind of expecting a season two, even though they're gonna do like a spin-off series, like a different story, but not related to Edge Runners. But I'm saying like between Ceropunk Edge Runners and uh the Scott Pilgrim show, uh Scott Pilgrim takes off on Netflix, between those two shows, it's like you don't even need a season two. It's like perfect, beautiful, done, cool, cool, cool. I like that's a good note to end it off on. Like, even though with uh Scott Pilgrim takes off, like okay, it's like fairly good ending. And Cerepunk Edge runners, yeah, it's sad, but you know, at least it's an ending. Like, not all endings gotta be on a happy note, but it's an ending. Like on how we felt about samurai champions, where in the end they didn't even really uh well they kind of did find uh samurai that smelled like software, but that was what the point the whole point being is that at the end they just all just went their separate ways and that's it. And I'm like, sometimes ending don't have to be like the happy, sappy ending, but at least it's a ending versus you ending a story on a cliphanger, hoping hoping that it gets a second season or another season, and I'm like the new season wasn't even all that worth it to begin with. Yeah. Alright, well, let's go ahead and close up this review. Uh hope you guys soon savvy. Thank you for being on the show. Uh, dear listener, thank you for listening to us to the end. Go ahead and have yourself a good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good night, but ultimately take it easy. Remember that great things are coming and stay nerdy. Let's go ahead and zone up out of here, gang.