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House of the Dragon: From Family Tensions to All-Out Targaryen Civil War
A fiery clash of succession ignites as the Targaryen dynasty stands at its peak. House of the Dragon plunges viewers into Westeros 200 years before Game of Thrones, when dragons filled the skies and House Targaryen ruled unchallenged—until King Viserys I broke tradition by naming his daughter Rhaenyra heir to the Iron Throne.
What begins as palace intrigue between childhood friends Rhaenyra and Alicent Hightower transforms into a realm-splitting conflict known as the Dance of Dragons. Season one masterfully builds this world, introducing complex characters whose motivations blur the lines between hero and villain. Daemon Targaryen emerges as a fan favorite—dangerous yet loyal, ambitious yet principled—while figures like Criston Cole showcase how personal rejection can twist into political vendetta.
Season two expands on these tensions as war begins in earnest. Though some viewers felt the pacing slowed compared to season one's dramatic conclusion, the character development deepens substantially. We watch Aegon II struggle with kingship while his brother Aemond, paired with the ancient dragon Vhagar, becomes increasingly unhinged. Meanwhile, Rhaenyra gathers allies and faces accusations mirroring those later leveled at Daenerys—that a woman who seeks power must inevitably become a tyrant.
The incredible dragon sequences showcase how far CGI has advanced since Game of Thrones first aired. Vhagar's sheer size and power created some of the most memorable moments in the series, setting up anticipation for the large-scale dragon battles teased for season three, currently in production for a 2025 release.
Whether you're Team Black or Team Green, House of the Dragon delivers the political intrigue, moral complexity, and spectacular visuals that made early Game of Thrones captivating. Join us as we analyze both seasons and speculate on what's coming when the dance truly begins. Subscribe now and let us know which Targaryen has your loyalty!
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what up gang? It's time for another review. This time we're gonna go ahead and talk about house of the dragon, because we did. The game is thrown with the stream review a while back and it's only fair that we go ahead and talk about house of the dragon, and this time around we've got joining us once again. So without further ado, let's go ahead and zone in on it. So I'm gonna be straight up.
Speaker 1:First season, great. Second season I didn't hate it. But I see why some people say season two fell off from what what's going on. Like season 1 felt like the whole franchise is going back to formula, to where we loved the first half of Game of Thrones, and then it kind of fell off in the last one or two seasons and it seems like not even two seasons in. People are already saying, oh yeah, it fell off. You know all this other stuff and all I wonder okay, let me look into it. Like, let me, let me see, let's see what they're talking about. But before I get into all the details, carly, how are you feeling about House of Dragons?
Speaker 2:Well, I really liked the I don't want to say the original series Game of Thrones. But we know this is a prequel series. I like Game of Thrones but I have the same qualms with it that so many others do. Where the last season was like what the fuck is going on, it's hard for me to even go back and watch Game of Thrones just because I know what season eight ends up being. But House of the Dragon has pretty good for lack of better words rewatchability, because I like it. Like you said, it kind of has the same formula that Game of Thrones does. We kind of hop between different perspectives of different characters and everything. But we're usually sticking with Rhaenyra and I like both of the seasons. There are some parts of it that are just hard to watch, just because, I mean, we've talked about it before. Me being a mom, there are things that happen to some of the children in the seasons that I'm not too fond of and it's really, really hard to watch.
Speaker 1:Even 2F01.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the very first episode with Queen Emma and she's trying to um, I can't, it's off the top of my head. I can't remember exactly the name of the, the baby she was supposed to be having for, uh, king viserys, um, but when they basically performed a c-section on her and stuff like that, like that was really really hard to watch. I had to like turn away just because of how awful that part was. But I mean, I imagine that they did sign of sort of the same things back in, like medieval times, things like that, but whatever. So I really like the seasons, and me and my husband we rewatched the first season before the second season come out and I can imagine that once the third season comes out we'll probably be doing the same thing, just to get ourselves reacquainted with the story and just kind of remember, okay, okay, yeah, that happened.
Speaker 2:So so far I do like the seasons, just because they are kind of like the original Game of Thrones, being able to rewatch it. I'm just hoping they don't do the same thing that they ended up doing with, like the last few seasons of game of thrones, but I can say they probably won't, because the house of the dragon, all like the targaryen stuff is actually written. We know that george rr martin has not actually finished writing the parts for game of thrones, so they just kind of went you know wherever with it that sort of thing um with game of thrones. So we actually know how it's supposed to end. So that's the difference. It's all about how they're going to execute it.
Speaker 2:In the next few seasons, like I think in the first few episodes of season three, we're going to see another major battle um between specific family members. So I'm pretty excited about that. I just want to see how they do it. It's also really cool to see the, even though this is a prequel series. Being able to see the changes in the CGI and like how the dragons seem even more realistic is super, super cool. Just seeing how, since what 10 years ago was when Game of Thrones first came out or so and the 10 years past that, we've changed so much in CGI and our technology, so the dragons look even more realistic. So that part's really cool. But that's what I've got so far.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd say yeah. I'd say All right, let's go ahead and get into the details. So with the first season, we're immediately being immersed into the height of the Targaryen dynasty, 200 years prior to Game of Thrones. To be specific, it examines the strife among family members that eventually culminates into this notorious civil war known as the Dance of the Dragons Civil War, known as the Dance of the Dragons. Like we have King Viserys I, who ascends to the Iron Throne, initiating a series of political intrigues and familiar tensions. We have the issue of secession emerging with as a central theme, where we have Viserys initially designating his daughter the main character, rhaenyra as his heir and igniting controversy Rooted in the patriarchal customs of Westeros. Like hold on A woman ruined the Kingdom. I don't know About that, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1:We got introduced to Daemon Targaryen, who's I gotta be honest with you, he's my favorite right now. Because he's like. Because, first of all, the fact that he's being Betrayed by a boy John Smith, I'm getting so fuzzy with the names now, but uh, yeah, like. I'm getting so fuzzy with the names now, but uh, yeah, like. I like how he's like. Not a Mustache-twirling, conniving bad guy, he's more like I got my code, like I'm not totally evil but I do what I want. So I would say he's like A rogue element and he's like Ambitious and has Layers of complexity and Conflict within the family. And the Season go into Core politics, revealing Alliances and betrayals as Various factions by Power. Court politics, revealing alliances and betrayals as various factions vie for power. Uh, renera, who's the designated heir claim, faces constant challenges. And there's allison hightower, who's the king's second wife, who becomes a pivotal figure in the secession debate.
Speaker 1:Season two season two escalates the conflict within the targaryen family, paving the way for the impending civil war, the power struggles becoming more increasingly pronounced as alliances are forged and broken. Now tensions escalate as facts exploring rene, uh, uh, rene I'm sorry, I'm fucking up with the name sometimes she's clashing with those backing Alyson's children, particularly Aegon II, in preparation of war. The Dance of the Dragon, beginning with dragon riders playing crucial roles in the ensuing battles. Betrayals and shifting loyalties characterize the season as characters are compelled to align with one side or the other. Season two kind of explores the repercussions of civil war in this realm and emphasizing the personal sacrifices and tragedies endured by the involved parties, endured by the involved parties.
Speaker 1:I want to say that's like the short Version of what went down, like the short breakdown Of it. But, callie, how do you feel about the politics going on with House of Dragon? You know, with the fact that Rhaenyra being like A girl boss essentially, but of course you have to Deal with men not being cool, with women leading and meanwhile, like Daemon and Aegon, wanted claim to the Throne and it got really messy, like to a point to where, like the romances and all that, how are you feeling about that so far?
Speaker 2:So with the politics, I know it's one of the things of. I mean, we saw the same thing in Game of Thrones. There's always like arranged marriages and one of the first really big ones that we see is, after Viserys' wife, aemma Rhaenyra's mom. And I'm right there with you with messing up with some of the names. It's not your fault that they just change or basically name their kids the exact same thing, and there's like what eight Aegons or something in the entire game of Thrones or the Song of Ice and Fire. So it's not your fault. There's Rhaenys Rhaenyra and there's only like two Daenerys's that exist. But whatever it doesn't, they're not very creative. They just keep naming each other after each other.
Speaker 1:And didn't with the child that was killed in the season premiere of season two. Wasn't his name Aegon too? And it was like a whole mix up to where, like, oh well, you didn't tell me which agon, so I just went for one yeah, like it's super confusing, so let's just george rr martin.
Speaker 2:Come on, bro.
Speaker 1:But I mean, I won't even blame george for that. I I want to say it's like because the main thing that kind of fell off was the original showrunner for the show left. So it's almost like, uh, we don't know where to go with all this. Like he was pretty much the visionary behind it all and we just let him go. So, uh, it was almost like saying, oh, the guy that was actually carrying the show like as soon as he leaves, and they're just like fuck it, we ball.
Speaker 1:But yeah you can see the cracks in the formula like yeah, that's why I kind of hate when, like the one person that's supposed to be, like how I had my gripe about henry cavill being let go um by uh, the people that was behind the witcher and also no longer part of the dcu I'm like the, the one dude that actually did the homework.
Speaker 2:Y'all let him go yeah, right, but but anyway, with the politics it's. I mean, I'm a woman too, but it's weird to think like just because rainier is a woman, that means that she shouldn't be able to to reign or anything like that. Like they already had an issue with her. I think it was her aunt or I think it might be her cousin. Rain is the the one that's married to Corlys Velaryon, like they called her, like the queen that never was to mess with her, that sort of thing, and I always thought that was really shitty. So that's why I think Rhaenys was also trying to, or Rhaenys I may be pronouncing her name correctly she was kind of pulling for Rhaenyra because she's like like well, I wasn't able to do it, but maybe, like the younger generation can continue on and all of like the arranged marriages and stuff like that. Like I said, after queen ama passed away, otto hightower, the hand of the king was like you can marry my 16 year old daughter even though you're like 50 years old yeah, I was like gross, gross.
Speaker 2:And of course she didn't really. I mean, she ended up becoming very fond of the power that she had and I can kind of understand that. But you know, you can see clips of them and stuff like that where he's making love to her and of course she's like just laying there but fulfilling her wifely, queenly duties, that sort of thing, so that sort of like the arranged marriages which it's not unheard of. Like the youngest queen that was married off, I think, in european history, was like eight years old. So I'm not surprised, but I'm still thoroughly disgusted.
Speaker 2:Um, and, like I said, we know all these arranged marriages keep happening and the um, targaryens and stuff like that they marry to each other, have kids with each other. I mean agon and um, oh man, I can't remember what her name is um, alice the sister, no, helena, there we go, helena and agon they get married, but of course they're brother and sister. But it was funny because I think what it was back when there were the rumors and things like that of reynira being fond of damon, who is her uncle, alicent saying hmm, you targaryens do have some queer customs, and then she makes her son and daughter marry each other and have children together.
Speaker 1:It's like bruh, let me, let's talk about that. Let's go ahead and talk about that. Like, first of all, uh, her marriage to it was laenor, uh, okay, and it was like politically motivated, okay, okay. But she secretly like, yeah, she was gonna hook up with her brother and the funny thing is like, with targaryen, they're like, oh, you want to sleep with your uncle, that's totally fine. But when she started fooling around with her bodyguard who won that, you know, I forgot what it was called, but it was like some sort of exhibition where he became the Hand of the King or something like that. Christian Cole.
Speaker 2:I hate that guy.
Speaker 1:The funny thing is hold on, wait a minute. Yeah, she kind of came on to him too. Very easy it. She kind of came on to him too and whatnot, or barely. It was kind of like it felt like she was like talking to him and what I? The main thing I don't like about this dude is that he was like oh, you let me on. Like you seduce me with your body, what not? How dare you? Like you tarnished my reputation. I'm like bro, bro, really, is this the route you're going, bro?
Speaker 2:so gross. I hate Christian Cole so much cause, like you said, he was just like, but I thought that we were gonna be together, but then he got really spicy exactly.
Speaker 2:he was just like. It wasn't that even when he was like friend zoned or anything like that, she was like, no, I want to be able to like be with you. But then, well, what, I think it was at the wedding of leonore and raniera. That's when he went and killed joffrey le Laenor's lover, since he was gay. And Kristen Cole's like, yeah, fuck you. And it's like bro. And then they still ended up marrying them that night. So that was really traumatic for poor Laenor and Rhaenyra. And just fuck Kristen Cole. And then later on in the second season he's also fucking Alicent and he's like, yeah, I hate Rhaenyra. And Allison's like, well, I don't really like hate her, I just want, you know, aegon to be the king, so that way he's in power. And then Kristen Cole's like, but yeah, fuck Rhaenyra, right, I can't stand that guy. He's such a ugh, he's so gross.
Speaker 1:Bro, that's immature. He's a tool, Like it comes out immature to force someone to hate someone just because of your experience with them.
Speaker 1:Like it's one thing if it's it's like public display that this person is terrible, but it's like it's like gray area to where like, okay, like sometimes you might have a bad experience with that person, like it might have been like a personal thing, but it's not like they're like that with everyone. So like, sometimes you just don't mix with certain people. And then there are times where like, okay, this person is like a genuine threat to society. You know so, yeah, so that's like, say, for instance, parents, parents getting divorced, and whether it's the mother or the father, they're whispering in the children's ears like, oh, your mom's a whore or your dad's an alcoholic, or something like that, something along those lines, and it seems like they're trying to weaponize the children against the other parents.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, stop it. Stop it against the other parent. Like, no, no, no, stop it. Stop it. Like, whatever beef you have with that person, squash it with that person. Stop hat. Stop inserting people that's not even involved or doesn't play a hand in what happened in the shit. You know what I'm saying. I just don't agree with Christian trying to convince Allison to hate Rhaenyra, even though at best they're kind of cool with each other, leaning towards them, like aching out a little bit. But it doesn't really go anywhere. But yeah, like dumb, stupid Moronic, I don't like him. But yeah, like Dumb, stupid moronic, like I don't like him. He came up kind of bitch made For me.
Speaker 1:Anyways, the hand of the king, otto Hightower, exploiting this Rumor to undermine Rhaenyra's claim in favor of her half, brother Aegon, and Otto is Ultimately dismissed for his bias. Because you know, oh, who did you get that information? From? Somebody from Yeltsin? Oh, yeah, see, that's what they want you to say. But uh, rhaenyra gives birth to three sons whose parents raise a speculation that they don't resemble Rhaenor, because you know he's gay. So of course, course, it's genetics, it's not gonna get mixed in there. So who the fuck is the real father. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Queen Alyson calc bloods on these rumors to further isolate Rhaenyra and the tensions escalating when Harwin Strong, the alleged father, is forced into exile and leading to the death of his father and brother In this suspicious fire, possibly Orchestrated by Allison. And meanwhile Rhaenyra and Daemon embark on this secret romance and all that. The death of King Viserys leaves Aegon After presumed heir based on his Father's final wishes. Well, once Again, naming, because they didn't say which agon, they just assume they talk about that agon. And the small council bats agon's flame, prompting an attack on renera by his supporters, tragic death of lu, one of renera's sons, and a dragon skirmish against agon.
Speaker 1:By by the way, huge ass dragon. Holy shit, that was like a gargantuan level. It was like D&D, yeah, like gargantuan level. It was like it was a dragon big enough to eat Small dragons, like a fucking Snap, like I would say like If it was like a tackle titan. There's like those titans that's like maybe 20 feet tall, and then you have the colossal titan, or Eren's final form when he becomes the founding titan, and he's like these colossal ass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, alright yeah, vhagar is gigantic.
Speaker 1:I like how his name is Vhagar because, you know, as a former League of Legends player, that's all I think about when I hear that name.
Speaker 2:I think Vhagar is supposed to be a girl and I've seen like all these headcanons and stuff like that on the internet about like her just being a crotchety old lady and me like, what, what did you say? And like, just like she's just so confused about everything that's going on, she goes you wanted me to? What, what did you say? And like, just like she's just so confused about everything that's going on, she goes you wanted me to beat him? I thought you said to eat him, and that's why she ate. I think it's Erex. That's right, it's Erex. That's um, uh, jacerys is um, no, lucerys. See, they're all named the same Lucerys. See, they're all named the same Lucerys. That was his dragon. Of course he ate him too.
Speaker 2:I don't know I'm still kind of split on if Aemond actually didn't want that to happen. He just wanted. I think he just wanted Lucerys to go down. But I think there's a part of him that was happy that he ended up dying. But I don't know. It seemed like he was upset that he kind of lost control of Vhagar and she just kind of did whatever the hell she wanted to, and I think that made him realize that he didn't have true control over her either. But that part at the end of season one was really, really traumatic. I remember crying after that part Because I was like no, they ate the dragon and and her kid. It was awful just because of how big she was, like just one big chomp bro.
Speaker 1:And I love that. See, here's the thing, here's the part that pissed me off, where here's my main gripe on House of the Dragon when she finds out about it and then she turns to the camera and she's like All right, beth, war, it is. Then, oh yeah, that was so cool.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, okay, let's go, let's go but season two I guess it's so peaceful all of a sudden, like it just felt like a tone tonal shift, like it just felt inconsistent to what was already being built up. I'm not expecting her to go full Tyrant like Daenerys did in Season 8 of Game of Thrones. I just want to see that fire for her to prove that she is qualified to lead, to lead like because right now, like she pretty much got the job, because she was in the royal lineage to get the job, but I feel like by earning her position in battle, people gonna see her like, okay, she actually can lead us in battle on and off field and all that. Okay, I see her now, I, I see her. Okay, okay, okay. But it felt like immediately it started dropping the ball. But going on into season two, yes, one of her sons died getting Getting charmed by Vygar and initially Aegon, under Otto's Guidance, seeks a peaceful resolution To all of this, but, however, lord Larystrong manipulates Aegon into dismissing Otto and appointing a new hand, christian Cole, who is secretly Involved with Alyson, and you know we already Talked about how. Oh yeah, like you know, fuck Rhaenyra, right, but Cole devised an assassination plan against Rhaenyra, but her intelligence network, the White Worm, thwarted the attempt.
Speaker 1:Rhaenyra confronts Allison in King's Landing, leading to escalating tensions. The war officially commenced as Aegon attacks Rhaenyra's forces, confronts Alyssa in the King's Landing, leading to escalating tensions. The war officially commences as Aegon attacks Rhaenyra's forces. Rhaenyra's dragon Syrax is killed by Aegon's dragon Vygar, again leaving Aegon severely injured and his younger brother Aemon as the new heir.
Speaker 1:Rhaenyra garners support from her allies, including the Starks and various houses in the Riverlands. She discovers that dragons can be ridden by individuals without Targaryen blood, allowing her to recruit new riders. So three Targaryen bastards, hugh, ulf and Adam, are selected to ride the dragons Bermit, silverwingwing and Seasmoke respectively. The balance of power shifts as Rhaenyra gains three adult dragons to oppose Amon and Vhagar, and as Amon prepares for the final battle at Harrenhal, his allies, including the Lancer Navy, rally behind him. So Rhaenyra's forces are poised to confront them, but the climactic large hill battle is anticipated for season three. So yeah, season two was pretty much a setup for season three, but at the same time just felt like some of the build-up that season one was trying to make didn't translate well into season two. It just felt like they just dropped the ball here and there on what was going on. Callie, you had anything you want to add on to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Going into season two, I completely forgot that the very first episode that we see of it is the you know, a son for a son and that's like the cheese and blood one where he goes, where the two the rat catcher and the city watch guard and stuff like that they go in there to go kill. You know, like you said, they go in there to kill one of the babies and stuff like that. But it's not even that Rhaenyra wanted that to happen. I think they say, like one of the things that they've noticed, that she says Aegon and Aemon, but she goes why would I want to hurt Helena, my sweet sister? Like I wouldn't want to do that. And so I think that was really awful that they ended up having to go and kill the um, that damon decided to go and do that and that's not what renera wanted. And then that became another source of conflict between the two of them later on, because of course he's like that's not what I told you to do.
Speaker 2:I wanted to make sure that they wouldn't killed ain't, uh, that they wouldn't killed agon. But of course the dumb fucks were like but we came in here to kill a prince or a king, so this works right. So they also fucked it up. I remember the setup for that. It was just, completely, completely awful. And of course, that completely derails Rhaenyra, because I think that's when they start calling her Rhaenyra the cruel, because everybody believes that she was the one that actually went and ordered, because everybody believes that she was the one that actually went in and ordered for that baby, for the child, to go and be killed. It was just, it was just awful.
Speaker 1:It's just weird how Rhaenyra is being treated as a prototype Teemu Daenerys at this point where, like I, said earlier.
Speaker 1:Like she said, it'd be like this underdog girl boss. But like as soon as she rises to power and whatnot, shit goes wrong and people are blaming her and it's getting to a point where it just seems like she had to force her hand. But uh, even then just feels inconsistent to what was being built up already. So I just really hate that it's becoming that apparent that early into this series. And the real question is when is a season three coming? Because I don't imagine them just dropping the whole thing after season two flopped. But but I haven't heard any word about season three. I might look that up just a little bit. But, um, what else about season two? Oh yeah, um, aegon, was he that one asshole? That's like he was going around participating in underground fights and I'll put this uh, he was having his way with some of the female servants yeah, he was a fucking rapist yeah, I was trying not to go there.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm trying to keep it kind of clean, but like, yeah, yeah sorry, I just kind of call it as it is not like me personally.
Speaker 1:I'm like I just kind of mentally block out moments like those, like, honestly, that would make me a little hesitant on finishing. And or because I heard about what happened to old girl in season 2, episode 3, and I'm like, oh, I'm not ready for this. But no, no, it didn't actually happen. She actually followed him off. Okay, cool, okay, okay, it makes it more watchable for me. Because I'm saying, if I have to review, rewatch something and I know a certain scene's gonna pop up, I'm like, oh, do I?
Speaker 1:skip it or what I? I just don't have, I don't have the taste for it, like you won't get one time from me, like, say, for instance, episode one of goblin slayer, the entirety of redo a healer I can't uh, I can't watch the first episode of Goblin Slayer.
Speaker 2:I was traumatized after watching that. The first time I was like what the hell I can't do that or redo of Healer or any part of that, bro, I always try to skip stuff like that too, especially in some of the other things that have shown up in Game of Thrones, and there's always things like that that show up in like HBO shows. So I'm really careful about when things like that come on the TV bro.
Speaker 1:It's like not to have a weak stomach about it, but it's more like I'm just not here for that you know, yeah, right. Yeah, like, oh, like, oh. I can't wait to see this girl get no what? Why would I anticipate that?
Speaker 2:I do want to say one of the things that I did enjoy since they had the time skip and everything like that between season one and season two or even the later parts of season one is that I really enjoyed the casting. I feel like the person who played Rhaenyra at the beginning. It's really believable that she would grow up to look like that. Alicent's casting for the young her and the older her is completely spot on. The only gripe that I have is that I think that they should have flip-flopped Aemond and Aegon, because the way the noses looked to me from the younger ones to the older ones I know probably the ages didn't work out. Obviously I felt like their appearance looked more like the other way.
Speaker 1:Right right.
Speaker 2:But other than that, I felt like the casting was really really good. Like I said, I really enjoyed the change for Rhaenyra and the change for Alicent. I think those are the main ones.
Speaker 1:Now that I think about it, I recognize the main girl, rhaenyra Millie Alcott, because I've been seeing her lately. I'm like, oh, that's why we're like you look familiar, oh yeah, she's been in a. Like you look familiar, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:She's been in a couple of other things. I can't remember what it is, though.
Speaker 1:Like I think she's getting casted in something, but like I'll look into her in just a moment. Not that big of a deal. But I was like thinking what was Buddy's name, who was like Doctor who? And I was thinking like matt smith, like I don't know what.
Speaker 2:I was thinking yeah, yeah him, him changing for into damon and him being who he was as dr, who was really, really weird, and one of the things that my husband would always comment on is, like you know, damon had a few had.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Supergirl.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw that she's supposed to be Kara, which is really, really cool. But one of the things that my husband said with Matt Smith like of course he had like the love scenes and stuff and my husband was like I'm tired of them trying to say that Matt Smith is attractive because he's not attractive. Why are they giving this man these love scenes and stuff like that? I think at one point we see his butt, but again, this is hbo, so they're always gonna throw in I mean wherever they can I mean he, I'm looking at a picture, I'm looking dead at him right now.
Speaker 1:I'm saying I mean he's not ugly. I mean like if, if you're into him, like okay, um, more power to you boy. Like I'm right there with you, I'm like I don't know about, like I wouldn't but I don't think that he's ugly.
Speaker 2:I think that he's interesting looking. But you know my husband, he's goofy like that. He's like I'm just tired of people trying to say that he looks good and I'm like where is this even coming from?
Speaker 1:trying to say that he looks good and I'm like where is this even coming from? I'm like nobody, I don't know who's saying that, but I, as far as I heard, like I don't think anyone said that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I need someone built like matt smith, like I never heard that before not to mention he's got the most generic white man name you could actually look for or find Matt Smith. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1:That's why I said John Smith, because it just sounded so generic that I'm like thinking it's something.
Speaker 2:Like fucking Pocahontas.
Speaker 1:Man, can we not? Because, like I'm getting prepared for Pocahontas and, like as an adult, there are some themes that's clicking to me now about Pocahontas, and, like as an adult, there are some themes that's clicking to me now about Pocahontas yeah, like when you're a kid. When I was watching it as a kid I was like thinking, okay, it's not bad, it's cool. But then as an adult, you're like hold up, wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Pocahontas is one of them. Things that we all, as we got older and got into US history, we were like wait, we were completely lied to by Disney.
Speaker 1:Yeah, same.
Speaker 2:thing with Hercules. I mean, hercules isn't technically history, but like they weren't all like a happy family like the gods and stuff like that, like they were trying to portray in hercules. Hera and zeus were not that super fond of each other right, like that would just look a whole bunch of things.
Speaker 1:Like you know what? Um, we're gonna do a hercules review anyways, like let's not get too derailed because you know, like I told you before we get started, like sometimes get derailed and like, okay, let, like I told you before, if we get started, let some songs get derailed and like, ok, let's keep it focused, keep focused, yeah.
Speaker 2:I got it Sorry.
Speaker 1:Season three. It's in production. Well, we it started early 2025, so it should be expected to wrap later on this year. So I would say mid to late next year that sounds right yeah, yeah. So really I want to say I just hope season three makes season 2 feel like wait. Why do we not like Heist of the Dragon again? Oh, right. Okay, they kind of dropped the ball here and there in Season 2, but they picked it back up in Season 3. Okay, okay, at least I'm hoping that's the case.
Speaker 2:We don't know yet.
Speaker 1:But right now, both seasons sitting at a 7 for me Wrong, first season, Season 2, y'all kind of disappointed me a little. Y'all kind of disappointed me just a little bit, but I didn't hate it. Just a little disappointed, especially with it being that soon into the whole run. But um callie, you have anything else?
Speaker 2:anything at all to add on to all this? Um, I guess I'd probably agree that I'd probably put this show at a seven. So far, I think it can continue to get better. Like I said, we just have to see how long it's going to take or how well they're going to do. Yeah, it looks like like you said. It looks like the filming is supposed to be going from March to October, so probably mid to next to late next year or something like that, probably around the same time that it came out, and I also saw a thing that said that it'll be four seasons of it, so there might be a short third season and then they'll probably finish up in the fourth season. If I could the way that it might look. I'm not quite sure, but you know they're going to figure it out. I'm excited for it as long as it goes well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's all I want from it, honestly, like I'm getting to a point to where, if it's going to be like a long running season, it needs to be planned out in advance, not this whole. Oh, we're just making shit up as we go. Or, oh, um, something went wrong and some folks that was part of the project left. So fuck it, we ball. I'm like, at least be like the late great Toriyama to where, like, okay, I'm gonna give you some pen and paper. You already know how this story goes. I'm trusting you to know what you're doing without me holding your hand. And I'm talking to you, mr Toyotaro. So yeah, it's like one of those things where, like, hey, man, listen, like you know the homework, you know the source material. Like I'm trusting you to do a good job, just follow the source material and you'll be fine. But they came, like you just said, it's a prequel, so all they have to do is just fill in the blanks. That's already been set in motion. So yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1:I just can't deal with more long-running figures. Are they still making Fast and Furious movies? I tapped out after five dog, ah God, it was just not the same without Paul Walker, to be perfectly honest with you. But like anyway, cali, I do thank you for being on the show and I do hope that you be on for more nerdy news and reviews. All right, professor Tuck, your turn on your perspective on House of the Dragon. How are you feeling about it?
Speaker 3:Well, I first want to talk about the jumps. The jumps was, it seemed at first like very vast, but it was a necessary evil. They had to cover the timeline. The timeline is so vast in the early days. So some people might say that, hey, they rest certain characters to ours. But they truly allowed us to see some of the full progression between Raynero and Allison. But the few from the childhood friends, the bitter rivals, and season two actually benefit more because of that narrative. But I found it fascinating how the show depicts the internal struggles of both Raynero and Allison. They're not just good and they're just not evil. You know what I mean. It's a huge strength of the show. Both are products of their environment and then they're driven by what they believe is right for their families. You know what I mean. Their motivations maybe seem kind of complex, but it's making them very compelling, even when they seem questionable at times.
Speaker 1:Right, right, okay, yeah, that was the main thing about Game of Thrones. The charm for me. What I liked was the shades of gray that was there. It's where no one's like purely evil and no one's like purely good. It's more like there's laws and those who break them and whatnot.
Speaker 3:So what was the highlights for you?
Speaker 1:Like the exact highlights that you just like my god, that's dope in season one mainly uh amon riding vigar, like seeing that gigantic dragon just devouring all those smaller dragons. Well, that's the funny thing, because with the dragons that's featured and keep in mind, this is like the height of the targaryen dynasty, where dragons galore, but, like you will have adult dragons who's like fairly big in size, but then you have Vygar, who's like this gargantuan monster that you're probably seeing some like D&D to where he's just devouring the dragons and the riders on them, as you see, with Rhaenyra's son being devoured by Rhaegar. And that was really what got me hooked on to House of Dragons, to where seeing how Rhaenyra was going to handle the fact that her son got killed in combat yeah, that was definitely the highlight, for sure man season 1 ended on a crazy note.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was definitely the highlight, for sure man season one ended on a crazy note.
Speaker 1:Uh, how do you feel about Buddy Roe, christian Cole, how he? Well, keep in mind that Rhaenyra and her uncle Daemon who honestly I kind of like Daemon a little bit, even though they kind of sort of had a fling but they were like, oh no, let's not do this, not right now. But then Rhaenyra came up to Christian Cole and, of course, members of the Targaryens if they want to get it on with other members of the family, that's fine, but you can't do that with your bodyguard and Christian Cole felt like he was being led on by Rhaenyra, but you know, I think it was more like he was like a rebound and ever since then it was like he was trying to vilify her, even going as far as like when he was getting with Allison he was like, hey yo, so you don't fuck with Rhaenyra, right? I mean, she's a high like I don't hate her, but you know she's a high, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a little bit different for me. Um, when you publicly humiliate somebody, bro, like I don't know, when he got publicly rejected by her and then, like allison, got her own kind of influence, and then you know males back then, very Still today, but very willing to cry, they'll go and kill random people. So he was definitely fueled by his bitterness and it led to his transformation, but that's what set him firmly on the green side, though. Tell you what that man is. Green for sure. Just bitter, bro, because you can't get the draws. Did you get the draws? That's all that matters, man.
Speaker 1:You know, like I'm just saying like listen, it is what it is, and like, not that I feel nothing for him, but like, bro, like there's just better ways to handle it, though that's all I'm saying. Like be like hey man, like just fall back and just don't make yourself look bad on mishandling, the rejection.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying yeah, but her uncle, though that's my boy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the relationship got real, but like I don't know, I like him in the sense of he's not a bad guy. Like I said earlier, there's, like it's not very clear who's a bad guy, who's a good guy. There's more like people doing what they want and whatnot. And Damon is a perfect example of that when, yeah, he might assassinate somebody, but like not a whole lot of people, but, like you know, never mind if it was like an enemy, but if anything, it's more like he has a reputation of being impulsive and what not, like he can be kind of like a loose cannon in a way, but that's what make him good though?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, that's what you never know what he's doing. Females love that. Females love that.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying like that's what, that's what I like about him. Females love that. You know what I mean. Just keep them guessing and their relationship like the emotional core of the show he's so loyal to her, but also a wild card bro yeah, someone that makes the plot a little bit more interesting mhm, as soon as he came on screen like it's because his face kind of stupid. But when you look at his face he just looks like he be up to something good or bad.
Speaker 1:Bro, you almost made me choke my soda.
Speaker 3:He just up to something, bro. He got a sneaky face, but you know, when they got their union together, whatnot? It solidified the black claim, but it brought us on sets of challenges, bro I feel that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, speaking of challenges, how do you feel about the whole thing about with Rhaenyra? She's being the rightful heir, the designated heir, but she's facing challenges with some of the people that believe in a more patriarchal structure. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 3:I'm so glad you mentioned that, because Mel's gonna Mel, ain't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean Like.
Speaker 3:First she was reluctant in herself, bro, and then she moved on to being more determined and whatnot, but throughout the first bit she wasn't really you know what I mean giving like queen type joint. But when she moved into, like the way she moved into, like the way she was communicating, it morphed into something better, like she became more determined and more ruthless, but all in all, like females have more attention to detail. So I think it was better for the realm that a queen be a queen, like she's rightfully so. He named her, everybody knew what was up and then all of a sudden, as soon as he died, he changed his mind Like come on, now the realm should even know. But you know they're going to rock with it because they want a male.
Speaker 1:Right, mill, right. And speaking of mill, um, that one kid that became king, uh, agon. I'm thinking like, is it the second one? Because that's the funny thing, like they keep naming these kids agon. But I'm talking about the one that's like that like to go to underground fights and having his way with the female service and what not. Like how would you feel about him? Like, because honestly I want to say he almost not really, but almost gave me Joffrey vibes now when you say Joffrey vibes.
Speaker 3:Now, when you say Joffrey, I mean Bear in mind, I hate Joffrey.
Speaker 1:I mean in the sense of where, the kind of kid where, like he, thinks he can do whatever he wants and he's not really fit to be king, but he just likes being king. He likes the regalia, he likes the idea of people liking him, even if he's a piece of shit himself, but he likes to be liked.
Speaker 3:I really don't like him as king. First, he don't even know how to sit on the throne, that's first and foremost. And if you look at the book lore in the books, like anybody that sat on the throne, regardless of who it was, they would always get cut. Because like it was sharp blades, like they would always get cut. And then them throwing that little nugget in there saying how do you sit, how are you supposed to sit on this? Like that was a really dope moment for me, especially coming from the book, because I was dying, I was hysterical, laughing. But him as a ruler or potential ruler, he kind of weak-minded but also strong. So the way I mention that is he weak-minded because he listens to everybody else and because he knows that he's not the strongest like obviously his brother's stronger than him he can easily manipulate it and that's not good as a king and like um he reminded me of a buddy, um, the guy that I keep forgetting their names.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but the one Lannister, after Joffrey, that was the one that Margaery had her voice in his ear. Yeah, tommen, that's it.
Speaker 3:But yeah, just like his grandfather would say, like Tommen's grandfather would say, a man that has to say he's the king is not the king. You know what I mean. Right, and the Lannister page the king. You know what I mean. Right, Right, and the land still pays his debts. You know what I'm saying. But, yeah, that's how I feel about it. I don't really like him as a king, but like I don't know, I like what happened to him.
Speaker 3:Jesus Christ, I'm for the blood and gore. I'm for the blood and gore, I'm for the blood and cheese. You know what I mean, Right, hey, sometimes you just deserve it. Like I had so much satisfaction, the purple wedding, Like I was so happy, and it's the same way for him. Like, because you showed, like those spurts, and like you said that it's the same way for him. Like, because you showed like those spurts, and like you said that is giving you vibes with Joffrey. It gives you similarly the same satisfaction when something occurs, Like yeah, and then, like you even get your picks Because you know if you're on the black side.
Speaker 3:You're like maybe she should be the rightful king, but maybe I don't know. Maybe Aiden should be the rightful king, but maybe I don't know, maybe Aiden should be the king and I really like Aiden but I really don't like Allison. But her tears were kind of cool because she got the one blonde dude with the one eye. That's cool, Like you know what I mean. So in the year towards a fight between them two, it's going to be epic too.
Speaker 1:By the way, just for the future reference, gotcha, and you know what's crazy. We're talking about joffrey and uh, agon, the second, and I'm sitting here, like you know what, once again, I have to like mentally block this character out of my memory, and the only time I even remember him is like out of all characters in the entire Game of Thrones world. I don't think anyone as far as me hating them.
Speaker 3:I don't think anyone is topping Ramsey Bolton because, bro, I don't know, I didn't dislike Ramsey as much as everybody else did.
Speaker 1:I could not stand Ramsey, like he like nothing against the actor, but like something about his character. Just had like the most punchable face oh yeah, that's a fact.
Speaker 3:I agree he do got a punchable face, but I really ain't like Sansa. That's probably why I wasn't as Invested he did make it work for me. Is she a baby mama candidate? Absolutely, but her character?
Speaker 1:no, I don't like Sansa at all, yeah like if Her character no, I don't like Sansa at all yeah, like if.
Speaker 3:By reputation alone.
Speaker 1:I'm like, okay, he's one of those guys where I'm like alright, like let's not invite him to the function, you know. But if Just leave that alone, I'm like alright, just don't invite him to the function. But then santa got involved with him, so I'm like, okay, that kind of made it worse for me, but hey, you know, comeuppance came.
Speaker 3:So, like you said, it was satisfying to see him come up don't say you want something, bro, and then don't want it, like the whole first season is oh my god, love him. He's gonna be king, I'm gonna be queen, we're gonna have babies and we're gonna have queen, princess and princess. Like bro, you want all that, but then when you got what you needed, it was an issue. In the same way, renera and allison wanted to be best friends. They're gonna be best friends forever.
Speaker 1:They might even fuck a little bit, but soon as something happens, it's all we gotta fight, because your dad, my husband, bruh, bruh, bruh that one scene when she was like trying to tell on Joffrey with old lady and Marjorie and he was like he's a monster and I was like, oh well, you know, it is what it is. I was like they had no sympathy for her.
Speaker 3:They already knew what's up. These males be mellowing. They used to it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:They were both from the Tyrell family right yeah yeah, yeah, okay, okay, gotcha. Lady Olenna yeah, I think they're both Tyrells yeah ooh, wee man.
Speaker 3:But yeah, season one wrapped up real nice. Um, the ending was dope. I thought it was great to end on like a cliffhanger and get everybody mad because they want to know what's going to happen next like that. Was it right there?
Speaker 3:yeah, like I was thinking like, okay, that's a great way to end the season, where I'm like, all right, all right, war is about to happen, let's go, let's go so it was like the whole first season was like a, a prelude to everything that was going to happen, like it was a necessary history and for you to know who all the characters is. Now, it's a lot of names and it's a lot of people named amon but like, and it's a lot of, uh, what's the other name they use a lot? Um, what's the name? Viserys, not viserys. What's the name?
Speaker 3:the second no, you had it, viserys oh, yeah, yeah, man, you know, I don't know why they keep recycling all the same names, like if you read, like the book, the encyclopedia of the history of the Targaryen War, or the Dance of Dragons, as it's formerly called, like bro, they use the same like seven names over and over and it gets so confusing you be like no, I thought this was that dude. No, no, it's not. And then Agon, it's like 30 of them. So it get very construed and confusing. However, what doesn't is the fact that everybody keep, everybody keep.
Speaker 1:The funny part is the coming. The funny part is like, for me, if it's like, okay, having that kind of lineage is not new, but at the same time it depends on the legacy behind the person you know like say, for instance, like you can have like eight visceruses or eight agons, but it's like, okay, uh, which one's the famous one? Which one you talk about? No, like the famous one, like the fourth one, oh, okay, that one. All right, see, it's one thing. It's like you got all these different characters named after this, but like, what's going on here is they're making it sound like all of them have like a significance and it's kind of hard to keep track of all of them.
Speaker 1:But, uh, if it was more like okay yeah, but if it was more like okay, yeah, he's king, but there's the seven and pay close attention to this character. But the other characters, like you might hear about them from the past, but they're just only for the sake of the lore, but it's just a little piece of lore Not to distract too much. But when you have all these characters and we're supposed to pay attention to all of them, then it's nice to have characters who serve a purpose in the plot. But, like, sometimes you have a whole lot of characters. It gets hard to keep track of all the characters you know what I'm saying Especially if they're supposed to matter in the grand scheme of things. That's why some characters gotta get, you know, written out, you know you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it be like that sometimes. But yeah, I like that season one was a nice little prelude leading up to season two. Because season one I know it's a little bit some people like don't like the slow pace and they just want battle, battle, battle. But that's where the bread and butter of Game of Thrones was.
Speaker 1:It was in the build Thrones was, I think I would say with Season 1, for me, season 1 is allowed to be slow if it's doing world building and character development In dearest to the characters. Let us get to know what kind of world we're dealing with. And if you can spice it up a little bit with like some drama, whatnot, okay cool, like I don't mind it being slow as long as it's like building up what we're supposed to know anyways, like establishing and all that. But like by the time you get to like season three, you're gonna have to like come on, dog, you gotta like give us something like really hook on to you know yeah, like damon, like, even though he's giving like loki, like you know.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's like you wouldn't, you wouldn't necessarily you wouldn't necessarily want to like rock with him or like him as a character unless you see how he was treated and that, what he, what his mindset was for feeling like that and why he wanted and seek glory, and then, when he finally gets some glory, why it was so satisfying and how he can develop his character arc. Like that's just necessary stuff. That's what season one did. They put characters and they put impact and they brought forth why this and that would happen. They want to bring people together and then show you what tore them apart. And that's what season one was. And then it splits on why they're taking size bro, because the size man you team green or team black, just by the way. Right, the what now?
Speaker 1:You team green or team black? Just by the way, right the winner.
Speaker 3:You're team green or team black.
Speaker 1:Team green or team black. I want to say I still want to stay on team black for me. Yeah, like yeah, because you know I was still. I was rocking right there from the beginning. So I'm like I don't see why not If I switch up now. I mean, I see Team Green but, like you know, I don't see any reason to not rock with Team Black either.
Speaker 3:Hey, I'm rocking with whoever the Start's rocking with man. Yeah, as soon as he the Start's rocking with somebody, for sure I'm rocking with them. I'm on Team Start. I'm gonna see you, starks, all the way for this day till my last day.
Speaker 1:I mean also yeah, the Blacks did like have like a little rendezvous with the Starks, so like for sure they ain't been in the knee though, cause Starks don't be in the knee like that right unless they're forced to. Excuse me, um what else about? Was there anything about season 2 that you wanted to mention?
Speaker 3:You said season 1 or season 2 season two.
Speaker 1:I feel like we pretty much touched based on season one at this point yeah, I got a lot to cover.
Speaker 3:Um, let's see I'm going through my notes to make sure I cover everything I needed to the development of agon, um, how he developed as a King in season two, and I want to talk about how he growed into that role. Um, he definitely was struggling. He had his moments of assertion but he was kind of immature and had a tendency to self-indulge like, uh, king Robert. But he's trying to assert himself. But often his decisions are either impulsive or they're influenced by Otto and Sir Kristen. Because I'm really interested in Allison's journey.
Speaker 3:She seemed to realize in season 2 the cost of the war and her arc became kind of tragic. She pushed for Aegon and then now she's facing with the reality of the war and she helped ignite it and that's what's crazy. And then she see how it's taking a toll on her and her mental state and how everybody keep dying and she gonna have to man up and deal with it. And I don't even know if she's strong enough to do it, bro, like that's what was crazy for him. And then, um, david at harren hall is I don't know if he losing his mind or what was going on with it was kind of weird. It seemed like erratic behavior, um, but I don't know if it's kind of strategic or like a reflection of his own nature which kind of works out, because he got both yin and yang in his nature, which is why he kind of evil but kind of good at the same time, which is kind of weird.
Speaker 1:So those are some of the points, for I didn't want to say for Um, I didn't want to say it Like, because I didn't want to Like add like a armchair Psychologist, like psychoanalyzing Somebody. But it's almost like he was giving off some schizophrenic Bits, like Like he's cool at one Point, then other times he's like Crashing out a little bit.
Speaker 3:Now, um what's his name at one point, and then other times he's like crashing out a little bit Now um, what's his name? Uh, what's his name with the one eye.
Speaker 1:A-Man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. Now he a compelling villain. You can understand his. It's something you can just clearly understand. My boy want an eye for an eye, blood for blood, but, but I don't know. But Hold on.
Speaker 1:Have you heard of this anime called Code Breaker?
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:What's it about? It's basically about a bunch of kids with special powers, but I'll go into more detail off the record because I'm trying to stay on topic. But point being is that they got this thing where they say eye for an eye, something for something. It's different between the person, but the main character pretty much says an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, evil for evil. I like that. I was like that's going to stick for me and, like I said, with the characters, they got a different way of saying it. So I would say at some point I'm going to review Cold Breaker. You're free to join me.
Speaker 1:It's going to be a while before I actually do it, but I thought it was fairly good, yeah, it'd be like that sometimes, like an eye for an eye, two for a two, evil for evil and uh, why my boy wanna sit butt naked next to the prostitute.
Speaker 3:Like I'm not understanding bro getting rubbed on like my boy need to go see a psychiatrist. They probably ain't got them yet but his trauma, bro, and his desire for retribution make him very complex antagonist, so he's gonna be a monster. He gonna be like.
Speaker 1:Well, he's already a monster first of all, but he gonna be even bigger monster, which is gonna make the fight between him and Damon really dope actually, you know what I like the way for the most part, not all the time, not all the characters, but some characters when some shit happens, like they don't like emotionally overreact, and I like that because you know, in a way they're like calmly declaring war on the other faction, because it's like one of those things where, oh, we don't get mad, we just get even.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's a fact. So do you think Damon loves Rhaenyra or he more interested in like power?
Speaker 1:Hmm, good question. Um, because you see it in season two, by the way. You see it in season two to where he wants power, but he doesn't want it enough to Fuck over his niece and he loves his niece. But keep in mind, you know the whole Targaryen customs when, like, if they want to get it on, no one's going to stop them and it's like I don't think it's like he's madly in love with her, but it's more like I am definitely fond of her and as far as like getting with her, I'm like I mean, the chemistry is kind of there.
Speaker 1:But since callie told me that, um, there's to be at least two more seasons after this one, so I kind of want to see where they go with that relationship, just to solidify how I'm feeling about it, because right now it just feels like it's going in that direction, but there's not enough yet. So we really going to have to see this hypothetical season three and four so I can get a full opinion or my full two cents on the romantic nature of their relationship. But for right now I would say he definitely have a fondness of Rhaenyra, but he won't fuck her over for power. But he does want power though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he really reminds me of Loki, like a lot, like like Loki and Thor's dynamic because, like you know, loki loved Thor. However, he can't stop fucking with him. He don't kill him, but he almost died and he's like, yeah, you will be alright even if you die, or whatever. It's like I don't know. His ambition and desire for power is like Undeniable, but it's a conflict and it's also Not a conflict Right and Allison.
Speaker 1:Drama type shit Like you kind of need an element in there. I know it's probably interesting. You know Like it can't be all action, like, give us some little romance. You know Like, oh, I mean, how is it All these soap dramas like uh, young and Restless pop off like People love that shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then the only other things. I want to put just a couple Comments on things. The dragon Scenes are incredible, especially Vhagar's size and his power. He was a true standout Like. The scale and raw power of the dragons is so impressive, bro. They make every sequence like very impactful and like because it's the dance of dragons, we got to see something we didn't get to see a lot of in Game of Thrones, which is dragons galore. I want to see burning everything. I want to see crispy chicken every time. You know what I mean. Everybody turned into crispy chicken. I'm talking about Kentucky's fried. We seen a lot of killing goats and stuff like that in Game of Thrones. Besides, you know those two incidents, but uh, I guess that was crazy. But shout out to my baby mama, though no.
Speaker 1:Hold on. Speaking of which?
Speaker 1:Um, do you think Rhaenyra Is having the same arc as Daenerys, but specifically beat ran through like you know how I think about because, um, at first she's like po, she's supposed to be an heir to the throne, and then, like, she gets her dragons three of them in fact, and like she has children. What it's different, obviously, but the whole point being is that she's being um put in a position of power and now that, even though she's trying to be peaceful, it's just that she's being forced, the people are forcing her hand to fight, and now she has to use dragons. You know, like to make an example of people, and you gotta wonder, is it gonna get to a point to where, just like with nara's, 200 years later, rene has to get to a point where where, just like with Rhaenyra, 200 years later, rhaenyra has to get to a point to where she might have, like, this whole tyrant arc going on?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's down to heaven.
Speaker 3:You know, when people feel like they're back in the corner, they usually lash out the most. So, like, as we progress throughout the seasons I think it's going to be four seasons total, I can't remember if it's three or four seasons total but as we progress through the seasons we're going to see that as more people keep dying and stuff keep happening, when you feel back into a corner you might turn a little crazy, and that's not just be her, it might be other characters as well. Crazy like, and that's not not just be heard, it might be other characters as well. Um, but as far as how season two was in general, like uh, in in reference to it, from season one they focus more on like not having a lot of time jumps and it allows you to deeper dive into, like everything that goes on, what happens after the king dies and how the the war is going to unfold and whatnot. It's really diving into like, similarly to like season three of like game of thrones, it's focusing less on the world building, the more on the characters.
Speaker 1:So season one was world building, season two was focusing on the character arcs and then season three I'm I'm thinking it's going to build up on the character arc and then evolve into some specific dynamics yeah I can see that because, yeah, like the season two, it just felt more like a build-up for season three, like they're really hoping it gets season 3, which, by the way, is currently in production, like they're already doing filming and what not. So chances are we might get season 3 mid next year, like summer next year.
Speaker 3:Maybe I'm just projecting like get some yeah, and the war gonna draw in other regions and houses across Westeros. Because, like I don't know, have you read the books?
Speaker 1:Mm-mm.
Speaker 3:Like the Battle of the Gullet that's the only one to look out for and the Fall of King's Landing. And, of course, a whole bunch of Dragonriders going to happen. Like the Fall of King's Landing, bro, oh, oh, if I could describe it as anything like in the books. Just put picture, just, anytime All Might comes and saves the day, it just gives you satisfaction. Like Right, it's going to be dope and it's a great twist and it's going to be very you know how, like you and Talos tell me that, uh, I should watch this because, oh my god, oh my god, you don't want to spoil it. Right, that's how it is, bro. Like it's gonna be dope, all right, that's all I had on it.
Speaker 1:Okay, gotcha, gotcha, um, I guess one was there anything, I don't know the whole thing. The comparison between Rhaenyra and Daenerys. That was the last one I had too, because I was thinking, for the most part I'm digging House of the Dragon. Some say that with season two it kind of dipped in quality and I'm like okay, because yeah, you could say that Some character, arts or Relationships wasn't really going anywhere. But you know, theory season is over yet, so we'll just have to see if they Pick it back up on it. You know, that's a fact. I have one more note too, my last note.
Speaker 3:I read everything Except this one, but I wanted you to know see if they pick it back up on it. You know that's a fact. I have one more note too, my last note. I read everything except this one, but I wanted you to know that the visual language of the costumes, like comparing, like the two factions, the blacks wear blacks, the greens wear greens. All of that because they go through different shades of black and green, which is crazy that they stick to that for the most part. Or like when Ray Nero and Allison had met up, even though Allison had on green, she had on black earrings and vice versa. It was dope, those little nuances.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like, yeah, we're on opposing teams, but we still kind of fucked with each other.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they should have fucked in the season 1. That's what should have happened.
Speaker 1:That would be like Crazy, like it would have felt like I want to say I mean it kind of would be Romeo and Juliet, but it doesn't really go that direction, at least not until the end. But I was like thinking, well, no, no, no, no, that's pretty much right, because I was thinking like the Montagues and the Capulets or what was the other family view? It was the McCoys and something else.
Speaker 3:The McCoys and the Hatfields, yeah the Hatfields, that it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Hatfields, right, right, right right. It could be something like that to where I like, yeah, we're like opposing forces, but we kind of oppose each other low key.
Speaker 3:So yeah, I'm a little. I'm a little bit um, coco got to a little bit. I'll be nerding out in the books when it. When it's a book like I read, well, I, I read crap out of that book. Like you can't tell me nothing about no book, I done read Harry Potter, I'm in there Like.
Speaker 1:You should do Book Club with Mirror Jane when we get that going.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, for sure, man, I be reading so many books, like I'm telling you the vampire system. I finished that. I finished that. I finished that. It had like 1,800 chapters Damn yeah, I'm really into vampires and like mythology right now, so all of Rick Riordan books and things like that. So, yeah, we should definitely do that. I'll get up with Mirror, jane, cool, cool, cool cool.
Speaker 1:Ah, yeah, like that's all I have to say about it. House of Dragons I'm gonna say I didn't hate season Two. It is more like my main thing is, I just don't like it when Character development Doesn't really go anywhere, when it Seem like you're trying to cook this character and then the Finish product is Subpar. I just don't like that, especially when it seems like uh, once again, like I said, I'm trying to write original stories and my main thing is I love trying to focus on the characters, because I believe the characters really drive the story. So I like well-written characters. So if the character's not real written, then you're gonna hear from me yeah, that's a fact other than that, no, like good build up to what's gonna become.
Speaker 1:So for a time being I would stand by. I would say at least a 7 out of 10, maybe 7.5. I really want to say it's not bad, it was pretty decent. Just it's not there yet. Like I think by the time we get season 3 it's like okay, it'll be right back up anything. They'll probably treat it like invincible to where, by the way, we still need to do invincible. I don't know why we haven't done it yet, think.
Speaker 3:JB think.
Speaker 1:Invincible. To where, by the way, we still need to do Invincible. I don't know why we haven't done it yet. Uh.
Speaker 3:Think, jb Think.
Speaker 1:They'll probably Treat it like Invincible. To where season One was bad, season two was kind of a dip, but then season three okay, goes back up again.
Speaker 3:Oh man, we ain't did Invincible.
Speaker 1:Nah, well you, we've been planning, but things kept getting in the way. We had to reschedule and whatnot, like we.
Speaker 3:I don't even get a real name, I just get a purpose, bro, that's non-quiz. You watched the Walking Dead?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did, but my thing is crazy enough. I fell off right after Negan was introduced, okay so Bro, it paid off so well. Oh, the rematch of the fucking decade though. Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't wait the rematch of the fucking decade though, yeah, I can't wait to talk about it.
Speaker 3:I can't wait till we do that. We gotta put that on the docket alright, but I'm thinking definitely not June.
Speaker 1:It's kind of pat this month, next month we're going on break. I might pencil it in for August. As early as August we'll try to do one. We're going to do my Hero Academia on August too. I'm in a superhero mood for August, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm saying that Superheroes unite yeah.
Speaker 1:Tuck, do you have anything else you want to add on? Nah, I'm good. Good. Well, tuck, you have anything else you want to add on? Nah, I'm good. Well, tuck, thank you for being on the show and I thank the listener for listening to us to the end. Go ahead and have yourself a good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good night, but ultimately, you go ahead and take it easy.
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