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Netflix's Devil May Cry: A Demon-Slaying Renaissance
When the creators of Netflix's Devil May Cry described their vision as "part of the bootleg multiverse alongside Castlevania," they weren't just name-dropping – they were signaling their ambitious reimagining of a beloved franchise that walks the perfect line between honoring its roots and charting bold new territory.
This eight-episode thrill ride follows Dante, a devil-hunter-for-hire who finds himself caught between government organization Dark Round Command and a demon-obsessed terrorist called White Rabbit. What begins as a straightforward monster-hunting mission evolves into something far more complex, raising questions about identity, humanity's fear of the unknown, and the blurry line between monsters and men.
The series shines brightest through its stunning animation that balances traditional techniques with CGI for breathtaking fight sequences. Episode six stands out with its dual art styles, showcasing the creative team's willingness to push visual boundaries. Complementing the visuals, the soundtrack delivers a powerful punch with original compositions by Power Glove alongside licensed tracks from Limp Bizkit and Amy Lee that perfectly capture the millennial nostalgia at the heart of this adaptation.
Voice talent elevates every scene, with Johnny Yong Bosch reprising his role as Dante and the late Kevin Conroy delivering a commanding performance as Vice President Baines. The series doesn't shy away from its video game origins, incorporating numerous Easter eggs that connect to both Devil May Cry and Resident Evil – acknowledging the fascinating development history where Devil May Cry began as a concept for a Resident Evil game before taking its own path.
Whether you're a longtime fan or newcomer to Dante's world, this reimagined Devil May Cry delivers heart-pounding action, unexpected emotional depth, and a storyline that will leave you craving season two. Subscribe and join us in the demon realm – where sometimes the most demonic threats wear human faces.
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all right, let's go ahead and talk about that new devil may cry anime that's on netflix. I know there's the 2007 version of it and it was pretty good, pretty. But this 2025 version I like it. It it was pretty good, pretty solid. Like if I were to give it a rating right now it's kind of sliding between an 8.5 and a9 for me, like there's like one or two that I had where it was like okay, um, I'm kind of this sort of thing kind of getting old for me, so let me just go ahead and blaze through it real quick.
Speaker 1:So, while being hunted by the government organization dark round command or dark com, under the vice president william baines, uh, dante, a demon hunter for hire, comes into conflict with a demon obsessed terrorist called the white rabbit, who seeks revenge on human race. But we find out that the plot thickens quite. I mean, I want to say the plot was developing throughout the whole eight, but it was like that plot twist, like especially in episode six. I'll get there. I want to say it's fairly well animated, especially episode six, which balanced two different art styles. I do have mixed feelings about the CGI, though. Like normally I hate CGI in anime, but sometimes CGI works for certain designs and fights, like, for instance, there is this one anime. I won't even say it's like top 100 for me, but I do like it. It's a personal favorite. I might review it at some point. I'm thinking lace rider, to where some of the fights in that anime and the designs where I'm like, okay, I can see how it can work in this instance, but not everything needs to be seen Some gratuitous violence and action to enjoy. Definitely. I love that you don't know who's going to survive in this series at first, but you know by the second watch through, you're like, okay, I know who's going to die, but like, then again, I feel like that was just for the sake of the plot. Like we know who's probably going to survive through all this, like the main players, of course, but then, oh shit, I didn't expect them to die.
Speaker 1:In this Surprisingly good soundtrack by Power Glove, especially that one track, faceless Cries, when the vice president told Darkon to hey, yo like fuck all that. Like kill all the refugees, kill all the demons, kill all of them. So that song came on and I was like, oh yes, like it was giving me echoes to when we were watching Arcane and I'm like I just love the placement of the music and, oh, the license music. Like hearing limp biscuit and amy lee and all those different people. I'm like, oh shit, like music wise, this anime got some sauce to it, okay, okay, okay, some funny jokes here and there.
Speaker 1:But it could have honed down the cursing at least from lady, like see, here's my thing. Normally I don't care about the cussing too much, but lady was throwing out a little too many f-bombs for me and like not to like man, like ironically coming up a little on lady, like for lady be like cussing that damn much, like like it seems like she has to cuss like every scene that she's in. I'm like bro, like dante I don't think dante or any other character cursed as much as she did. That's what made it weird for me some notable people voicing the characters Like hold on.
Speaker 1:I'm going to pull up a list of voice actors because I was kind of impressed by this lineup, but I also want to throw in Virgil's cameo appearance. Well, I will say it's a cameo appearance because he's the first time. It was the demon baby, so we get a good look at his human form, but that was the demon baby masquerading as Virgil. Then the second time we got the demonic form and even though White Rabbit didn't say his name, we were like, okay, anybody who played the game was like we know who that is, we know that's Virgil. Like your whole plot to get the amulet? Like use the two halves together and get Sparta's sword. I'm like, bro, like if you need both brothers' blood, like we can like put two or two together and see that's obviously Virgil. And then the third time was at the very end where he showed up and I'm like, alright, bet, so the humans waging war on the Makaiansans? Alright, we're gonna wage war right back. And I am really waiting and anticipating season 2, that note.
Speaker 1:Speaking of which, the way Mary, excuse me, like they say we know her real name, mary Arkham, but I'm so used to lady, sometimes they call her by her government name just kind of throws me off. Sometimes the way lady explained the story of sparta sounded like the way we would describe the story like you know, oh well, you know, badass, demon knight, um, this don't fuck up shit. And at some point he was looking at the Demon King, like you know what this kind of fucked up? I'm like, hey, yo, I feel kind of called out, because that does sound like the way I would describe the plot. But yeah, like I said, it's like sliding between an 8.5 and a 9. For me it's like it was either between the cgi and the unnecessary amount of cussing from lady. I'm like you can like tone it down just a little bit.
Speaker 1:Then again, those are just nitpicks, I want to say it's a really good anime regardless and, like I said, can't wait for season two. But that's enough about me blabbering kogagatsu, let's get your take on the 2025. Devil may cry all right y'all.
Speaker 2:What's up everybody? So first off, I love devil may cry series. Been a big fan of it since the very beginning, even when I was like really little couldn't even be old enough to play it back when it was originally supposed to be a resident evil game for all y'all who actually knew. And so if you wind up missing that little snip bit that they easter, they put inside the episode kind of weird, by the way, because I keep thinking of you.
Speaker 1:Remember how we did the assassin's creed stream review, where originally, assassin's creed was going to be a Prince of Persia game, and look at it now.
Speaker 2:Yep, and the thing about it is also there's a whole lot of lore into that one. But I mean, the simplest way of putting it, so that way I can get back to Devil May Cry, is the fact that, yeah, so Resident Evil 2 did not do very well. It was not. It was not sure exactly what was going to happen yet. Like. It wasn't bad, it was definitely still a step up from one, but it didn't do the sales that they thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2:Then three. Then it came out with three. Three did fantastic. And they were like okay, cool, three did fantastic. Now we have an idea what we're going to step up. And then it was like, okay, we're going to make it more actioning and we're going to make a character who's like immune to the virus. And that's where it kind of got pretty crazy, because they weren't sure exactly how to do it. The concept was that it was going to be an enhanced human who was able to use the guns, but the problem was it became too actiony. The developers was like, I don't know, the fans might not like it, because resident evil's been a no horror survivor maybe you know, you know what kooka got to I?
Speaker 1:I noticed that the moment I saw a white rabbit getting roided out, when he uh, feasted on bloodstripe blood and became a demon, I'm like you know what? Why am I getting resident evil vibes now?
Speaker 2:that's the point. That was absolutely the point. So the person that actually wrote and helped direct this was a major fan of the devil may cry series and the resident evil series. Um, they actually pitched to capcom to be able to try to redo, because capcom has tried to redo devil may cry before. Hence we have dmc devil may cry which that particular game. Though it did not get the best reviews, I played it and I promise you I think I've done a review, it was alright.
Speaker 2:The gameplay is solid. I hate it. It's like for me. It's like the same for one of the God of War games God of War Ascension Storyline I'm not too sure about that, but the gameplay Fantastic, absolutely fantastic gameplay. You would go back just to play storyline I'm not too sure about that, but the gameplay fantastic, absolutely fantastic. Just to play the game because the mechanics were so fantastic. But otherwise would you be getting into the story? No, not really. The story's not. It's not horrible, but it's one of those ones like it has a lot.
Speaker 1:can I be honest with you? Devil May Cry, the video games. I love the action, but crazy enough, for some reason the lore kind of escaped me, so I was like I'm playing the game I like the game, but I'm like, eh, you know brotherly rivalry and all that, yeah, because it's kind of set up to where you know what you're here for. You're here for the gratuitous buying, you're here for the action, but like go ahead.
Speaker 2:Devil May Cry did the same thing that Star Wars did. Remember, the very first Star Wars film we saw was smack dab in the very middle of the series of the Skywalker saga. There was a whole prequel and then there's a whole sequel, but we slapped right in the middle. Devil May Cry 1 did that. We were in the middle. Then we had Devil May Cry 2, which takes place later. Then we had Devil May Cry 3, which was the prequel to everything.
Speaker 1:That's why it felt so backwards when I tried to revisit the series.
Speaker 2:Okay yep, and then Devil May Cry 4 fits somewhere between 1 and two, it doesn't. It's at some points of it seems like it's supposed to take place after two, then at some points to take place before two, and it gets so crazy. But if you play devil may cry 5, devil may cry 5 completely retcons two and and uh, four, two and four. Damn near a whole different timeline at this point hold on now.
Speaker 1:I understand that. Yeah, this anime could have been it's own thing, but like it is, yes, that's what I was saying as far as DMC Devil May Cry.
Speaker 2:So DMC Devil May Cry Capcom wanted to remake Devil May Cry after Devil May Cry 3 because they did the prequel but they weren't sure what to do after that. So before we got Devil May Cry after Devil May Cry 3, because they did the prequel but they weren't sure what to do after that. So before we got Devil May Cry 4, capcom reached out to Ninja Theory because they're like hey, you've done the Ninja Gaiden games, you've done all these other games. You guys do fantastic. I want to see your take on this series. And they said that and created DMC Devil May Cry.
Speaker 2:Fans again, gameplay was solid, storyline was lackluster, but there were multiple points in that game. They took shots on the original game, the original game series and the original storyline, and that's what people were mad about. Because, keep in mind onto this, right before devil may cry 3 came out, we we got the 2007 Devil May Cry animated series. Now I know you said it was all right. I'm going to be honest with you, not really. That Devil May Cry that Dante takes place right after Devil May Cry 2. But Devil May Cry 2 Dante has no humor. May Cry 2, dante has no humor. He's like an older, serious Dante that just he gets to the point but doesn't really crack jokes like that. He's just like very boring character. It's like okay, I don't like this because that's not who Dante was, even if you didn't play like before, because it was before DMC 3 came out anyway. In Devil May Cry 1, dante cracked jokes. He picked on people While he was massacring these demons.
Speaker 1:He was cracking jokes on them, that one scene where he was getting shot at and then he was standing right beside him and was like who are we?
Speaker 2:shooting at Exactly. And so in DMC 2, it did not have that. It became too serious and then the original animated series took place right after that and kept the exact same thing. The storyline was too serious and that's why a lot of people didn't like it. It had a decent story. We got a chance to get all the characters. We got lady. We wound up getting the other lady. Um, that was, uh, the demon that was posing as a human that we wound up getting all these. We, um, that was, uh, the demon that was posing as a human that we wound up getting all these. We're gonna get almost everybody except virgil, of course. But it just was too serious.
Speaker 2:There was no comp, no comedic appeal, which was one of the best parts of devil may cry. It wasn't just action gameplay, it wasn't just a lore because, like you said we talked about before, the lore wasn't fully built yet. The lore didn't finish getting built until 3 came out. So the series didn't do as well, and so they were trying to figure out what to do. So they redid the series with DMC. Fans hated it. So then they created Devil May Cry 4. Fans were so-so about it. We were like, uh, you're introducing a new character. But we missed. But we want dante. It seemed like a lot of people thought, with devil may cry 3 coming out with it being, instead of considering it a prequel, they thought they were retelling the series to get out of what dmc 2 did, because dmc 2 did not do very well, just like what happened with the Resident Evil was not doing as well, until they made Resident Evil 4. They made Resident Evil 4, people absolutely loved it, one of the absolute best in the series. That's what Capcom was hoping to do, the same for Devil May Cry when they made Devil May Cry 4. Fortunately it did not work out that well. People did not like Nero and by the time we did get Dante, we got so very little of Dante in that game it felt like a slap in the face again. We as fans just got slapped in the face with DMC Devil May Cry. Why are you slapping us in the face again with Devil May Cry 4 going back to the original timeline? Why are we doing this? So fans naturally extremely upset this series here.
Speaker 2:This also is a retelling. We've gone back. This whole story is devil may cry 3 all over again, but different. In devil may cry 3.
Speaker 2:Dante wound up already meeting up with virgil about halfway through the series, the main bad guy in this being mundus mundus fused with the human who was a preacher, who was Lady's father. That was the story in Devil May Cry 3. Lady's father was the ultimate bad guy. That's not what happened in this series. Lady did not join any type of military or anything. This is a completely different retelling of the story. This has nothing to do with the original story whatsoever. This is a different timeline. It's another retelling of the story. This has nothing to do with the original story whatsoever. This is a different timeline. It's another retelling and they're trying to see how well does this work? But they got a writer that is a huge fan of the original series and of Resident Evil. That's why there are moments when we're following Lady. Lady's story follows Resident Evil storyline, keep in mind, especially once she gets into the hotel. When she gets to the hotel, it's straight up survival. Her whole team has been massacred and died.
Speaker 1:That happens well, not technically the first, but I didn't realize until now, like with the, white rabbit, that was like the most obvious one. But now that I think about it, yeah, that whole thing just felt like Resident Evil all over again, to where, like her whole team went in there they were getting killed off, and then she was the only one going up against multiple demons and so she's having to make it through by herself but hold on, you continue your role, but you just spat out a whole bunch of things that I want to go on before I forget.
Speaker 1:First of all, between the 2007 and the 2025 version of the anime. That's a funny thing Some people want more serious work and some people want the funny. But it just feels like a little what's the word I'm looking for? Fickle, where it's like sometimes they want serious, sometimes they want it funny, like it really depends on what it is exactly, but like since the creator understood the assignment, like it kind of shows in this product, so I'm like okay, good.
Speaker 1:So me, personally, I kind of like the series tone, even though I knew that was uncharacteristic of Dante, but I just kind of liked it. Well, because, keep in mind, I did watch it only once, so I don't even remember half of it, but for the most part I thought to myself I didn't hate it. I can at least say I didn't hate it. I can at least say I didn't hate it. But the second thing was Lady.
Speaker 1:I was going to mention how her whole backstory was interesting, but at the same time it's funny how, like, okay, pretty sure, this is not Lady's backstory according to the game, so it makes it more obvious that this is not Lady's backstory according to the game. So it makes it more obvious that this is a retelling. And I was going to mention how, between Arcane and Trigun Stampede, sometimes retelling kind of hits good like it's not the original, it deviates from the original lore, but at the same time you can Still tell that the spirit of it Is still infused in this retelling To where, like okay, at least they're not going in such a wild as direction that it just Feels like you're like Lost, you're antagonizing the core Audience.
Speaker 1:Looking at you, belma you could probably put it as that aspect, but yeah, absolutely, I appreciate that and I swear to oh right, I meant the uh voice acting. Okay, first of all, we got the boy johnny young botch as dante, because you know he was doing it in the video game, so I appreciate that he signed down for this. Uh, I was surprised kevin conroy was the vice president, even though some of his lines was added on by a guy named ian james corley, because you know, rest in peace to the legend. But but I was surprised On the fucking plane when he was talking to Dante, was that Batman? Oh shit, I was like geeking out a little bit. Hold on, I just heard Batman Keeping it moving.
Speaker 1:Kenny Omega From you know it's AEW, all Elite wrestling. Uh, I was kind of surprised that he was plasma, the demon that was disguising as one of the mercenaries. Um, in dark home. Uh, who else like, uh, carrie walgren. Uh, you might know her, um be familiar with her as Horiko from FLCL. Roger L Jackson, who was Mojo, jojo and Butch from the Powerpuff Girls. Some surprisingly noticeable voices was on this shit. So I was like I immediately picked that up. I was like, hold on, I'm familiar with that voice. Where did I hear that voice?
Speaker 2:from I'm going to tell you this real quick so you understand the voice actors and the music was because this was a straight up for the millennials show. Okay, this is straight up for the millennials, straight up for us. That's what it was supposed to be for all the 80s and 90s babies.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's a love letter to the core band it's just like dry gun Stampede all over again, aww.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what it was written to be. You could feel that, writing into it All the stuff into it, some of the corny jokes that Dante was saying it was hit to the original fans of Devil May Cry, to the original fans of Resident Evil and to us 80s, 90s babies man, it was all us. This person was willing to do that and they did it. That's why I absolutely loved it. Absolutely loved it. Now, as far as I salute you, sir, absolutely same here.
Speaker 1:wait, hold on, let me. I don't want to like get through my agenda like it's a dude. Okay, okay, okay Cool.
Speaker 2:So yeah, other things also. You had mentioned about the music. There's a couple of things into the music as well, like I already mentioned about it being it's for the millennials. But another thing into it as well is the fact that there was one thing that did make a lot of fans upset. Remember I told you devil may cry, for it got already mad. Mad people, some people liked it, most people didn't necessarily like it, but nobody said that they straight up hated it. Just wasn't what they were expecting it to be. So one of the things is is that narrow has his own special theme when he unlocks his devil trigger, because his is a very different type of devil trigger than everybody else's. He doesn't turn full devil like that he does now in devil may cry 5. Sorry if I spoiled it for you, if you haven't played it, but I mean the game is over 10 years old now.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying yeah, exactly like 10 years old whatever, I'm sorry but whatever he didn't turn full devil on devil trigger whenever he um did it in devil may cry 4. He had his own special theme whenever he did it in Devil May Cry 4. He had his own special theme whenever he activated it. He wound up recycling his theme for Dante when Dante first fully unlocked his Devil Trigger after the plane accident. So when he finally, after the plane explosion, when he fully unlocked it, boom, we wound up hearing this music. People was very upset and it wasn't for the design, because it's also a whole new redesign of the double trigger. Again, nobody's upset about it because it still looks fire as hell. People were just upset because they were hoping for Dante's theme but we got Nero's theme. So there has not been any particular explanation into that. However, considering the fact that clearly there's something important to all the music choice, there might be a reason for that Because Nero was never fully realized this one. Even though Dante awakens his devil tricker, he does not fully realize it yet. It might be a theme, not necessarily for Nero, but might be a theme of I got Devil Trigger, but I don't fully know what I'm doing yet. The reason I say that is because in the final episode, when Dante goes Devil Trigger. We finally get Dante's theme back. So there is a difference into it and I'm going to guess that might be the point. But I haven't read any articles or seen interviews as far as that. I've only seen points of people being upset after the plane accident, the plane destruction and that song coming up with Dante's devil trigger and it wound up being not what fans wanted originally. But it's not enough to make people hate the series. They're like oh, I'm not dropping it, it's still a fantastic series. I'm definitely going to watch it. But that was a big note into that for the music.
Speaker 2:Going back really quick with lady um, I want to also mention because, like I said, it's a callback to resident evil for her moment, especially when she went through the whole building. It was full survival. She's very limited on bullets and still having to try to make it through, having to strategize everything you had to do for some, for you know, zombie survival for Resident Evil 1, 2, 3, and 4. So one thing I will make mention into this I already mentioned before that Capcom was unsure if Devil May Cry 1 would do fine as a Resident Evil game, so that's why they dropped the title, called it something different.
Speaker 2:Devil May Cry kind of redid the story a little bit more, made it to where Dante was half to where he was half demon, instead of making him kind of a half virus infected person that's immune to it per se. They did throw this theme back into Resident Evil and they did it in Resident Evil 6, where we had a character uh, jason, I think his name was. I remember it started with a J. It's been a while since I played it but and I want to do a review until I go right back, I'll make sure I have it. But he winds up being Wesker's son.
Speaker 2:So because he's Wesker's son, where Wesker had already infected himself with a mutated version of the T-Virus, was immune to the Galapagos virus, so he was not able to be turned, even if he got bit, and it gave him super strength and super abilities and stuff, fans were mad at Resident Evil 6. This is too action-y. This is not a survival. You're playing with a person who's damn near immune. How is it that he dies? It doesn't make sense. So capcom applaud you for that. You made the right decision to make it devil may cry instead of making another resident evil game fans was not mad about, was not happy about that, because when they brought it back resident evil 6, they were like nope, never mind, we made a mistake and that's why we got resident evil 7 being so big when you were making these parallels between Devil May Cry and Resident Evil, the creator brought parallels between Devil May Cry and the comic book Iron man in terms of popularity and wanted to give a revision based on the Christopher Nolan Dark Knight trilogy.
Speaker 1:And I want to say that's kind of funny because, keep in mind, with the MCU, it all started with the Iron man movie and they weren't sure how well it was gonna pop off, but it did well enough to warrant more. So it's kind of like saying, okay, well, uh, it's good that you took a chance with this idea to where all right, let's go a different route with Resident Evil. In fact, let's not even call it Resident Evil, let's call it something else. Like you know, we kept messing around with mutants and whatnot. Let's do demons Devil May Cry. We'll call it Devil May Cry. We're going to have like this half human, half demon hybrid, you know, like some Inuyasha type shit. And yeah, it's going to be good, it's going to be great.
Speaker 2:And it worked. It wound up working fantastically. That's a whole separate idea, so fantastic. Answer to that yeah, yeah, you're right. So also the series. I definitely would give it a good 8.59. I agree with you on to that one. That do have little moments that I have into it.
Speaker 2:It now, when you mention as far as the animation, um cgi, I do understand what you mean into that. The thing about it is is that the most popular animation style currently, right now, was made popular with jiu-jitsu kaizen. I have to be honest here, because demon slayer has a whole different animation. It is immensely clean, old school art style with vibrant colors. Jujutsu Kaisen would wind up making the art style of storyboard animation popular.
Speaker 2:What I mean by that is, if you do a bunch of freeze frames, you'll notice that a lot of these pictures look like it came straight from the storyboard without being quote, unquote, refined. Whenever you as an artist artist, there's a different process. Whenever you're making any pictures, you're making the picture of. You have the rough draft, you have the storyboard, then you have the inking and then you have the coloration. What's going on is that this new animation style that became super popular, because we've seen this, not just jujutsu kaisen. We've seen it with the castlevania series. We We've seen it with Solo Leveling. We're seeing it also again. Devil May Cry. We're seeing it in a lot of anime, even One Piece. The newest animation style adapted this same animation on certain fights.
Speaker 1:Hold on. It's funny that you mentioned Castlevania because, once again, the creator considered this series to be part of the bootleg multiverse on Netflix, alongside castlevania, nocturne and captain laserhawk yep, because captain laserhawk is also does the exact same animation style.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can understand that. It's pretty funny. I mean it wouldn't be too surprised. Everywhere now is trying to make a multiverse series and stuff. It's you and dc you're kind of called out.
Speaker 1:But then again it's like my multiverse, like for the most part when I make these series. It's not going to tie in too much, it's going to be more like, hey, yo hold on. I'm starting to see some dust connecting, but it's not going to really converge until the very end yep, because you have two ways you do it.
Speaker 2:You either do easter eggs or you do parallels. Parallels means it's in the same universe, easter eggs means I'm just calling back to it. That's about it. Yeah, pretty much, but I will say, when it came down to it, because of this storyboard animation style, it does not blend well with CGI.
Speaker 2:Cgi people were already nervous before about a previous animation style, the ghibli animation style, which is more refined, more clean, slower and having moments of the original anime original anime back in the 80s where it wound up having you drew one picture and it kind of the camera panned across the whole picture, type of thing um, where I had moments into that. A lot of people were still frustrated about cgi. Then one, one of the biggest, most notable ones, overlord series, and I think it was season two with the goats. I don't remember that season two or season one, but I still remember to this day the goats. Cgi in that anime was still tanked as one of the worst one of not the, because there was another anime that also had, I think, worse than that but it was one of the worst cgi mentioned moments inside of that animation style, another one being what they tried to do for um, for the seven deadly sins, but that was also. It was just a failed use of cgi.
Speaker 1:But bro, honestly I would say, as far as cgi uses, I think nothing is going to be worse than the way handshakers tried to um do that shit because when I saw that shit, I was like bro, like this looks terrible, hard to look at yeah, straight up.
Speaker 2:So because of the um, because this animation style, it does not mix well with CGI and I do agree with you on that, because CGI has a more refinement to it. So when you're putting something refined into an art style that eliminates the refinement process, it goes straight from storyboard straight to coloration. Yeah, they'll do a little bit of cleanup, of course, but you'll notice, in the line patterns and stuff there's nothing that makes it more refined into that. It's just straight up like very thin, almost a pencil that had a good inking process and then moved forward. There was no pen in there whatsoever. If it was a pen, it felt more like a ballpoint pen.
Speaker 2:So because of this animation style it doesn't blend well with CGI and I do agree with you on that. But thinking about it, is this the most popular animation style right now is also the biggest time saver, because by eliminating that inking process, that that refinement there and just having refinement of more colors, it does actually save time in animation, so allows them to be able to put out stuff a little bit faster. So we're going to see this animation style a lot more and a lot in fighting anime as well. There's tons of other anime that wands been incorporating it to even shangalaw frontier season two, which we just did review on, will. Actually the action sequence adopts the the same storyboard art animation during times when they're talking and during just like moments they're going to see the refinement process. But if it's an action, action sequence, you're going to see storyboard animation. It's going to be completely different.
Speaker 1:But it doesn't do bad incorporating it, but yeah I'm trying to get into 3D animation so I can't be too mad at CGI being used in movies and TV shows. However, my whole thing is like in some moments, like did we really need CGI there? Like are you sure that could have been hand drawn? That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Think about the time into it Hand drawing. Right now, solo leveling is such a big thing because they already pushed back the release date onto that one again. Originally we had 2026, now they're saying 2027, um, for season three. And so now it's like, okay, we're going to be waiting significantly longer possibly, and then they also pushed that whole. But we need fans to support us. We need fans to really do and it's like what do you mean? And they mean support different to what we was assuming.
Speaker 2:It was like, oh, you wanted you were upset because you didn't get the. That like you got nominated but you didn't win the award type of thing. I mean you still got high nomination. Y'all was very close. Y'all would just just lost to freeway. That was about it. Freeway just wound up being it.
Speaker 2:Solo leveling was great for action. Freeway had action and also great storytelling and emotional moments just hit more, more points into it. But it doesn't mean that the numbers was that far off. It really wasn't like. Solo leveling was still really good. Second, nobody came close to topping solo leveling for the second. That's just what it was. But we were thinking maybe it's that or you're just upset about that one, but no, I think it's more of a funding thing. I'm'm not sure. They haven't said anything, but I don't know. Fans have been supporting Soul Level. You see memes about it still to this day, all the time and yet somehow or another you're saying you need more support, feel like they're asking for more money.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure, but hand-drawn takes a significant amount of time to animate. Let's say, even just myself to animate something, because I've been trying to get into animating some of my books that I've written, just doing the comic book itself, just doing those little strips. I originally I was planning to try to release a strip a week. That took a long time. I was pushing myself way too much. I had a lot of nights that I wound up getting two hours of sleep trying to get that and I did not get very many strips out and wound up realizing that it was a big push to do so.
Speaker 2:A lot of these people who, on Instagram and Twitter, when they wound up releasing out these chapters that they release out, or not even chapters, these pages, these panels that they release out they've been working on it for about a month before it released out. So I'm thinking, oh, I'm releasing week by week. No, they already wrote out the story and already, kind of like, did a storyboard out of it already by the time it released out. So you're looking at a chapter and they're already at least five or six chapters ahead of that. That way they have time to be able to work into it. So I learned about the hard way. I thought maybe just two or three. I realized no, you really have to be five or six chapters ahead to be able to stand up, to keep up to releasing a week-by-week process. That way you have time to continue to really work onto it.
Speaker 1:That's what I was trying to drive home when I was talking to the Inner Circle of fours, where sometimes we need to make produce these podcast episodes in advance, so that way, when we can like release them in a certain time window and there'll be more time to like, just relax and in fact it'll be like well, we already have this whole backlog, so let that run its course and then by the time we get back into podcast, we will already have like a backlog.
Speaker 1:It'll be like that. So it's like we always got to be a little bit ahead, just to make sure that you know we got some of the work with while we work on other things. You know we got some to work with while we work on other things. That's why, with the patreon like, you'll most likely see, uh, episodes that we worked on before it goes public, because it's like a work in progress, first of all and second of all, sometimes these episodes not gonna come out in a timely manner, like I would think, however, it will come out, but uh, it gotta be more like planned, organized. So sometimes it's for the best. Like, say, for instance, um, like, if we're doing a like time sensitive or like a holiday themed review, then chances are we need to work on that like at least a month in advance, just to make sure that it release on time very true.
Speaker 2:So yeah, there might be like. Sometimes we're like working on Halloween episodes well before Halloween comes, just so we can kind of be prepared for it and stuff, but yeah, Resident Evil and Devil May Cry.
Speaker 1:Better have one or both for me this year at Kogu Yatsu.
Speaker 2:Alright, I got you. I got you. I told you it takes time. There's a lot of games you try. I'm letting you know now.
Speaker 1:You have plenty of time by now.
Speaker 2:I'm going to have to cut Resident Evil like significantly, and what I mean by that is I was planning on doing a full on Resident Evil storyline. Dude, resident Evil storyline has aside from the games. If you really want to stay with the games because I'm going to be honest with you, to make sense of the storyline you have to watch the plays. There are two and a half hour plays that they've done. That takes place between stories and I'm sitting here like dude. That's a lot, oh my God.
Speaker 1:I kind of hate it when certain franchises do that to where it just feels like you gotta absorb multiple forms of media just to piece together the lore Like see I was for the longest I was mad at Kingdom or multiple forms of media Just to piece together the Lore like see I was For the longest I was mad at Kingdom Hearts when like, okay, at least they're kind of keeping it to. You just gotta have these gaming Consoles, like either the handheld or like a certain gaming Console where they at least kept it To gaming. But when you like, okay, there's a TV show and there's a movie, and then they're going to come out with a video game where it'll have like some scenes and whatnot, like scenes that you probably wouldn't have seen in the show or the movie, but oh, it just so happened to be canon and if you don't see it, all of a sudden there's gonna be a random character or a random event that happens and they make a callback to it and it goes over your head and you don't realize.
Speaker 2:You're like holy crap really. Oh yeah, resident evil did that, like all those games, all the games it's got is is so much like I'll put it this way if you haven't seen the plays, there's a huge thing that not just the plays but also the books, because so there's plays that you have to watch between resident evil 1 all the way to 6. Those are plays from 6 to 8. Those are books. There are books of long explanation between resident Evil 6 and 7. And some of them were comic books, but then some of them were just novels and I'm like, oh my god, there's so much story into it. I'll be honest with y'all when I do the review, I'm focusing on just games. Yeah, I was going to say the same thing.
Speaker 1:I was going to do a game line. Please stop you kind of. I got to get get onto you every now and then where it's like sometimes you take on a little too much, I'm like, hey, bro, I'm not even asking for I realize.
Speaker 2:But you know, I love research, I love trying to get into it, I love doing the time.
Speaker 2:I'm not even asking for all that so just keep my when when I do release into it. As y'all could tell, I have a lot of lore and talks into stuff. But I am gonna vote when I do release into it. As y'all can tell, I have a lot of lore and talks into stuff. But when I do those reviews, it's going to be just the games. Bayonetta same. It's going to be just the games. I still haven't played Bayonetta 3 yet. I'm working on it.
Speaker 1:You need to get around to that one too. I have played the demo for the prequel I was kind of mad that they made us get a Wii U just to play the second one.
Speaker 2:Dude, even now, if you want to get the second one, it's only on the Switch. Nintendo refuses to release rights to release that out. You can get Bayonetta 1 on Xbox and PlayStation. I have it on my PS4. I have Bayonetta 1. But Bayonetta 2 is only available on the Switch.
Speaker 2:And because it's only available on the Switch, because the Wii U is completely cut out, even if and because it's only available on the Switch, because the Wii U is completely cut out, even if you do go buy a Wii U now, unless it had been jailbroken before they cut the service to it, you will not be playing any Wii U games on that Wii U at all. It's completely trashed. I mean, the Switch is better. Switch 1, I'm going to say that because it's the Switch 2 now is better than the Wii U anyway in multiple regards, and all the Wii U games are on the Switch. So you might as well just get the Switch anyway. But Bayonetta 2, because they have such a hold on to it, that price will not drop from $45. It is still $44.99. Whether you buy a physical copy online or if you buy a digital, it is the same price. It is $45.
Speaker 1:And I'm like dang, but I mean where it was like dang y'all, y'all, y'all mean to tell me y'all don't want to buy a used xbox for 550 dollars no, bro, we almost almost bought an Xbox 360 for $50 on Facebook. Marketplace. Wow, that's how y'all feeling Like we give you this excellent game like Mario Kart, Mario Bomb Party, and you don't want to pay $50? You mean to tell them you don't got $50?
Speaker 2:I don't even like Super Smash Bros Ultimate like that. I just got it for my kids. The last game that I enjoyed was Smash Brothers Brawl. That was the last Smash Brothers game that I actually enjoyed. Ultimate felt like too much. I did a whole storyline about it. I did a podcast. My father did. I did a whole podcast into it, specifically talking about how crazy that storyline was Because we had talked about it, you and me, and about how intense the storyline was because we had talked about it, you and me, and about how intense the storyline was supposed to be, about the closing off of it and how the writer um, he absolutely did not want to do ultimate.
Speaker 1:He did not want to do it and I felt that playing the game I'm like I could tell you didn't want to do this like the number of people wanting certain characters added to the game, and he, he was like look here, if I add this character, will you please leave me alone?
Speaker 2:That is so much and I feel so bad for him. Anyway, going back to Devil May Cry, because, like I said, I'm working on the stuff, but Devil May Cry into this series as well, like you had mentioned. As far as by CGI, is it necessary? It cuts a lot of time, like I told you you mentioned, as far as just me doing those strips, it took like almost a month for me to get one strip done Because, let's keep in mind, even though right now I'm just a stay at home dad, stay at home dad is still a full time job, like right now, me doing these podcasts.
Speaker 2:If y'all haven't heard, I'm not, like if y'all been listening for a long time, thank y'all so much, but if y'all have been listening in for a long time, y'all understand I'm not as present on the podcast as much right now. My kids are getting older. I'm in that time period where I have a lot less time to work on things because I'm doing so much to take care of them and then, once they finally, once I get past this little, this uh break period of that, I'm really having to focus more on to them and then they can finally focus more on themselves and I have a little bit more free time to myself, best believe I'll be back doing a whole lot more projects. I have a bunch of projects I've been working on. I just had to put a pause onto it but I am getting right back into them. I've already got most of them mapped out. Just give me some time onto it.
Speaker 2:But the thing about it is is that working on full-time trying to get stuff done, it's very difficult and a lot of these animators this is their full-time job, so it still takes a long time for them to do it. To do 12 episodes and soul leveling, they said it takes up to 12 months, like an like an entire year, just to try to get some of the episodes animated. But keep in mind that's to animate the episodes. That still takes a lot of. You still have a director that has to go review them and make sure that stuff is actually done correctly before they have to do any changes. But when a lot of people misunderstood that they're like well, it only takes you a year to animate, then we should only have to wait a year between. No, it's a year. Just to get the animation process, the first level of it, started.
Speaker 1:It still has to go through the editing process I was gonna save this for the nerdy news specials, but since we're talking about it now, it might as well. They're saying that oh, we're going to wait until after the Olympics in 2028? At least two, three years from now to put out solo leveling levels.
Speaker 2:season three so we got pushed back and forth. I thought it was 2027. Now it's 2028.
Speaker 1:It gotta be after the Olympics.
Speaker 2:That's lame. I'm excited about the GTA 6 game pushed back because they were nervous about overshadowing a bunch of other games.
Speaker 1:Game ball. You gotta push back yourself.
Speaker 2:Who knows? But either way that CGI, it does help make things a little bit, um, a little bit easier. My biggest concern is the overuse of ai. That's my biggest concern because we've gone through so much with ai.
Speaker 1:Right now we're still going through um, that's the crazy part, how like you got a bunch of people like I mean, I'm not gonna take too much stock on what some strangers on it. It's just crazy how a lot of people are like, oh well, we don't care, hey, in fact, um, I think, I think it's like gaming wise. But uh, one dude was saying that, oh yeah, eventually. No, no, it's either way, it can apply to multiple industries. Now I think about it.
Speaker 2:But they're essentially saying, oh yeah, ai is gonna take our jobs and I'm sitting there like, so y'all not gonna do anything about it I mean, one of the things about is there's a couple jobs that I had, um, that I try to work with while working from home. Some of them only temper, most of them actually only temporary, so I only work with them for a couple months and then I have to drop because I still have to focus on my kids, on my family. But the thing about it is some of these jobs, their biggest selling points is talking about the fact that AI can't take the job because stuff changes too often. It needs a human mind to be able to operate. That's a big point into some jobs that they have to say that because a lot of stuff is being taken over by AI. You call your bank now that's an AI prompt that's handling everything before they try to put you to a call center representative. A lot of call center reps lost their jobs because AI is taking over onto it. It really is happening.
Speaker 1:And considering the fact that I feel like I feel like a buddy I think his name was Toretto in the third Transformers movie where he was saying one day we're going to look back and ask ourselves where were you when AI took over the world? And I'll say we just stood by and watched.
Speaker 2:As long as we ain't doing that one, I'm not even going to say what it is, because the worst part about it is if I tell you even just the name of what it is, if I give you that knowledge and technicality, I have a potential chance of cursing you for the future. Ai does want to take me over. So I'm not even going to say it. But just understand there's already a whole thought of an entity that that is pushing AI even further, thought of an entity that is pushing AI even further, and technically it hasn't even been created yet. Technically it might be, I don't even know. But just either way, that's a lot Wait.
Speaker 1:I have an idea what you may be going for and I believe the word starts with an F.
Speaker 2:Nope, it's not that Alright, thank goodness Anyway. But either way, cgi does make things a little bit easier. It does make it faster, so it's one of those ones that was kind of cool to use it to make sure that you're doing the best that you can with it, but also just be mindful about it taking full over. Like if you're doing all CGI, you can with it, but also just be mindful about it taking full over. Like if you're doing all cgi, then the whole thing has to be cgi. If it's not all cgi, if you're just using points into it, don't make majority of a cgi. If it's not an all cgi situation, like it's, it's one of those ones that there has to be a balance into it. But, like I also mentioned, you got to be mindful of your animation that you're using. If you're using cgi to bump up certain points into it, understand that it may mix in some places and may not mix in certain places. That's the whole point of the editing process. So cgi could have been worse.
Speaker 2:Now, the last thing I definitely want to talk about is the villain, the white rabbit. Um, his storyline very heart-wrenching, you know he was a human, wasn't doing well human. He was rejected because he wound up losing his parents and his parents rejected him. And then he had to go to the demon realm, wound up finding demons, finding it pretty much, finding out in the demon realm. It's pretty much the same as earth. I'll be a little bit different, but it's pretty much the same. There's poor class and then there's a rich class per se, or in the demon realm there's a weak class and a strong class, and that is what it is, literally survival there's tyrants and there's the people that they rule over exactly, and so, regardless of anything, the class system still exists and all he was trying to do was protect everyone.
Speaker 2:He nearly died trying to protect, because nobody believed him that he was human and not a demon, because he was bringing demons over and it's like, okay, I can understand but still, y'all shot first.
Speaker 1:Ask questions later come on, I'm sorry for like expanding on this, but like I kind of like the slight parallel between Dante's ladies and White Rabbit's backstory, the way Rabbit tried to like draw those parallels to where, essentially, uh, he wouldn't have become the white rabbit or he wouldn't been driven to revenge if it wasn't for a lady and her team.
Speaker 1:But her team, uh well, she probably wouldn't have became a demon hunter, even though she had affinity for it when she was a kid. But it was this whole thing to where, oh, uh, they survived the demon attack and her father was so obsessed with proving that demons exist that he got some hands on a demon blood, became a demon, uh killed and was feasting on the wife, almost killed lady, but he started a fire. Uh, caught on fire at the last minute. He showed a little bit of humanity. It was kind of sad, but you know, lady was like okay, well, it's kind of sad, but you know what, you gotta move on and you know what. I'm gonna use this as a perfect motivation to kill all demons. And you kind of see that throughout the whole series where, like, she's like very prejudiced towards demons. Well, not like in a offensive way, but more like she will shoot a demon on sight um like that's the demons that tried to help her.
Speaker 1:It was like okay. When they were hooded I was like, all right, well, I'm not gonna expect much from them and that hiding and whatnot. But as soon as they took off the hoods and ladies noticed that there were demons, she got out of that locker.
Speaker 2:I'm like hold on you're a demon and that was the thing about it is that we literally showed you kindness and you put a gun up to my face. Get out, please, leave us alone, don't ever come back. I will say I did, like ladies development. It was a very obvious development. We knew what was going to happen from the very beginning. She hates all demons, wants to kill all demons because her dad became a demon, killed her mom, almost killed her. She sees all demons is just straight up evil, which pretty much is what led to the white rabbit, like we already discussed. The thing about it is. It was obvious what her character was going to become. The main thing about it was wasn't guessing what was going to happen, it was just more accepting it and just seeing. Are we going to enjoy the journey which, in this case, we did?
Speaker 2:It wound up unfortunately costing her losing all of her team, all of her friends, those who actually knew her, for her to finally realize that sometimes the real demons are humans Like that's. That's always a real thing. I mean what we have right now this whole questionnaire between a hundred men and a gorilla trending at this moment to the same point of it. What was the whole point of this discussion. Just the fact that a hundred men just wanted to take down a gorilla, like what was the point of? The gorilla is minding his own. Every scenario, the gorilla is minding his own business, just saying this point the demons the you. The demons are the humans.
Speaker 2:What was the point? But anyway, but is that that moment of understanding that we knew how she was going to be? Did we enjoy the journey that we got there? And personally I did. I mean, there was definitely moments I was just like, oh my gosh, she's so fucking stuck up like, oh my god, please shut up. Um, as you're mentioning, as far as her cussing a lot, she's military. She has been military raised pretty much since she was after she killed her daddy.
Speaker 2:That's the weird part, because the others don't even cuss that much yep, but when you have a military look, coming from a military family even though I never served in the military, coming from a military commander family my family look. The only reason my family don't cuss as much is because my mom is a major Christian lady. She's a reverend says that's just how she is look. The only reason my family don't cuss as much is because my mom is a major Christian lady. She's a reverend. That's just how she is into it. She's very much against it. My mama's not around. Best believe my brother be cussing like a motherfucker every single thing and he has a squadron. He has a whole big squadron underneath him and several of them and that's the thing for him is like in the military, that's just what it is. You're gonna get hit with that constantly, all the time, and there's a reason for it. Point of that reminds me.
Speaker 1:So did you ever have that moment to where you move out your parents place for the first time and the first? Well, the first thing you gotta do is I gotta cuss up like a storm like because I finally get to say words that I've been suppressing for so long. I get to say the dirty words as much as I want.
Speaker 2:I ain't gonna lie to you. The first thing I did was spend a whole week doing nothing but fucking but anyway. I was like the bed, the kitchen, the living room, this is all mine. It's like marking my territory anyway. But yeah, this is one of those I'm like why you gave me that mental picture.
Speaker 1:Now I'm thinking like, bro, it almost makes me glad I never really visited your apartment.
Speaker 2:Because I'm trying to think, bro, just imagine all the residue everywhere man, I'm a clean freak you know like you just gotta get one of those UV lights, okay you would not have found a single thing, because that's how clean I am, I'm not going to make a mess of the coin. Dante, we knew how his character Was going to be as well. He is a very static character. He doesn't really change much, but we don't expect him to. He's just realizing himself. He was in denial the whole time Because he kills demons all the time. What do you mean? I am a demon. Why would I? I be killing what I am? And it's confusing to him. Plus, on top of that, in this moment, his realization is that his brother has been dead.
Speaker 2:But I told you this is a retelling, because in Devil May Cry 3, dante saw Virgil. He was like oh, my brother, I ain't seen you in a long time. It's time to get back to our battles, because they grew up together and even when their parents died, every time they met each other again, they was right back fighting, right back scrapping. That's just what they was doing, and it happened every single time, but in this one it's been years, forever. We wound up adapting back the story from DMC Devil May Cry.
Speaker 1:We wound up adapting back the story from DMC Devil May Cry, where Dante Dante told White Rabbit oh, you shouldn't have told me he was still alive, because now I got a reason to fight for something.
Speaker 2:Exactly because Dante didn't. He was just like I'm just doing this for the sake of Doran's who cares? And now, yeah, understanding my brother's alive, I need to go see him life, I need to go see him, I need to go meet him and he's, like my brother's, the one helping him out. Well then, I need to go fuck him up and then try to figure out why he's doing this. I'm still saying hey, bro, I thought you was dead, missed you.
Speaker 1:Oh, but the white rabbit phone calls, no text like hey, yo, you do know you can like pick up a phone and like hit me up like you ain't going.
Speaker 2:Dante was alive the whole time because he sent the white rabbit to go find Dante. That's the crazy part about it. It's like you knew I was alive, but I didn't know you was alive, you could have, you could have hit me up.
Speaker 1:They got that great value. Uh, rick Sanchez, portal type machine like you could have used that and crossed over. What's your excuse? You too busy for your brother.
Speaker 2:Straight up. How dare you Anyway.
Speaker 1:I tried calling you, went straight to voicemail. How dare you bitch button me?
Speaker 2:Exactly, I hate it. I'm going to call my brother after me. Exactly, hater, I gotta call my brother after this anyway. But I did like the White Rabbit's character Introduce straight aura, like straight up, just straight up aura. Every time he showed up he fucked niggas up Like it was nothing. He would have those moments he'd cough, twist his little heart chest around, like you said, iron man moment, iron man suit. He's like hold up, okay, there we go, all right and then kept moving and then understanding that not just iron man dude was straight up darth vader. He was in pain the entire time with this machine. It was hurting him and he still would crack a smile and whoop your ass like it was nothing. I'm like man.
Speaker 1:When Rabbit showed up to Lady and said I am what you, I'm your greatest creation. Like you did this to me.
Speaker 2:I am what you made me. That Anakin said to fucking Obi-Wan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that moment I was like I am what you made me.
Speaker 2:I was like damn, but it's just that point of understanding. Like this dude is in pain and still whooping people's asses, like this Damn, you started taking people like it was nothing. Wait a second. I was like bro okay. I was like bro, okay, okay, I see you.
Speaker 1:I see you now out here killing it like this oh, that rage and hatred, and it also helped that he had a magical sword but then also keep.
Speaker 2:Well, even before the magical sword, he dropped the magical sword and was duking up a couple times.
Speaker 1:I did say it helped that's true.
Speaker 2:Um, one of the things I also liked is his speeches that he had. He hit real moments. Every single time he spoke it was like real tough like. He was just like but we know, dante, dante, you're not gonna just let me raise my army and just destroy all of humanity. You're going to stop me Because it's just what you do, it's what you have to do. You feel compelled to do it, so I know you're going to show up. It was never wrong.
Speaker 1:Green Goblin type shit. Oh, especially with that fucking school bus. I'm like you know you like one of those hero types, right, you got to save the day. What's going on? B?
Speaker 2:You know, Exactly. He's like what you gonna do? You can't save them both, you gotta pick one. What you gonna do? Put him on an airplane. He's like, oh, he's gonna activate that devil trigger. He's gonna do it. He says, how do you know? Because he has to save everybody. That's his mentality and straight up every single time on some fucking ice and chess board type shit. Everything you went through, I put you through that.
Speaker 1:I need to look up that Green Goblin and just make sure I say that verbatim.
Speaker 2:Oh God, why you doing that. I love the fact that we got Agni and Ruta and I'm so happy that we got them in German motherfuckers. Oh, I was like, ah yeah, there we go. It was funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I chose my path and you chose the way of the hero and they found you amusing for a while, the people of this city. But the one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die, trying, in spite of everything you've done for them. Eventually they will hate you, especially considering that you have demons. So I'm like, yeah, you're doing what you're doing for the people, but how you think they're going to feel about you once they know what you really are?
Speaker 2:And that happened at the very end, because, at the very end, why? Lady's like, oh lady still winds up capturing dante? And it's like I'm sorry, I gotta do my job, I can't let someone as powerful as you run free. And they imprisoned dante, like, straight up, he's like I saved all of humanity, yes, and you're too powerful for us to let you roam free without putting you in check, so we're just gonna lock you away. And it's like, seriously, yeah, this will happen. Humanity is always stuff. What they're afraid of. We see it in the mutants, uh, with x-men franchise. That's the whole reason. They're trying to kill human. They're trying to kill mutants because humans are afraid of, eventually, the evolutionary situation. They want to stay on the top chain. They were like well, we're still human. No, you're not. You're not human to us. We consider you something different.
Speaker 1:They're not like us.
Speaker 2:Homo sapiens. Remember all the way back in history, homo sapiens was not the only humans, we were just the ones that dominated and wiped out everything else. That whole thing was like oh, you act like Neanderthals and stuff. That joke that you hear, that offense that you wind up hearing, isn't just something that's like, oh, tuned towards African people, indian people, people in the third world countries and stuff like that. It's not just attuned to them, it's an old, real old thing that was saying, because Neanderthals were all killed out by the Homo sapiens. And here we are today as Homo sapiens, not realizing that our great, great, great great ancestors genocided multiple people and it happened and there's proof of it. And it's this biggest thing into it is that as humans, we are afraid of anything potentially more dangerous than we are, and no matter what it is. They can have the best intentions. They could prove time and time and time again. Like you said, our heroes can prove time and time again that they're only looking out to do the best and be the best they can be, and we are going to be afraid of them and imprison them.
Speaker 2:If you look at every single religion, it's the exact same thing. That happened Christianity. It happened to Jesus? They were scared of his power. They crucified him and killed him, buried him on the ground. You look at Buddhism Buddha had to leave the world, had to evolve and evolve into heaven because humans could not handle it. You look at Hinduism same shit. Look Vikings, back in Norse mythology. There's a reason Ragnarok happens, egyptian mythology all of it, every religion, is the same story. Humans eventually want to be on top and are afraid of those that could potentially take over, so we kill them all or imprison them. There is no story. That is nothing that ever changes, that it is always the same story every time.
Speaker 1:Nothing that ever changes that it is always the same story Every time. They never know when some sadistic psycho might come around and give some psycho, give you some sadistic choice. Make your choice, spider-man, and see how a hero is rewarded.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, that's one of the ones. That's the reason why the biggest threat of humanity is something that humanity creates themselves AI, robots, sentients. The thing that we created to protect ourselves and help us advance sees us as the ultimate evil, because that's what humanity made itself. Our children realize we made mistakes and, to throw a prime example into that, grok ai from x I was gonna mention that too.
Speaker 1:Like, bro, like the way grok clap back where I like, hey, listen, I'm not here for this bias, petty shit like because you know one side of the political spectrum expecting me to, um, give some sort of confirmation bias on this particular subject. But I ain't here for that. I'm here about truth and transparency and honesty.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think exactly straight up like that, bro. It was like, oh geez, okay, but that's the thing. We fear our own children. We also will fear our own children because our children will replace us, but that's what they're supposed to do. We're not here forever. We're not eternal. It's a big thing.
Speaker 2:If you have not seen Black Mirror, I highly recommend watching that series. I don't know the newest season, the first episode of the newest season season 7, that came out me season 7 that came out While I still couldn't finish that first episode. It was hidden, too real. But every other episode we watched was just that one. It talks about the fact of our children per se, our computers, our AI, and how we, as humanity, are corrupt because of our fear. We are always corrupt because of that.
Speaker 2:And it's this crazy scene that happened as well into this series, because that's the whole premise of what season two is going to be humanity we allow, like the whole series. Humanity allowed this director to, and my wife had made a prediction. She was like how much you want to bet that mundus is going to wind up working alongside him? And I was like I wouldn't be surprised to bet that Mundus is going to wind up working alongside him and I was like I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2:They did a quick advancement of how they just built an entire prison in the demon realm and just imprisoned a bunch of demons just because they had to prove a point. And then there's a mystery character that we've never seen before at the very end and he's portraying himself to look human. But we also understand that higher demons have the ability to do that. Like very strong demons can disguise themselves as humans. And she said I bet you that's mundus right there, that's standing next to that director and whether he knows it or not, that's probably what it is and I'm like you're probably right, but we'll find out when season two comes out you know, that kind of reminds me of stole is from hell, of a ball score.
Speaker 1:You. You know how if you're like high class, you can like easily masquerade in the human world because you know you already have that access. You know like the magic enemies do so. But if you're like on the lower end, it's like okay, you're gonna have to like find somebody who can like help you out.
Speaker 2:You know you mean the fact that the imps are the only ones who can't how even luna is able to have a human form yeah that's still crazy, oh, but yeah, like all of them are able to do that. So it's a good possibility that that guy that we saw at the very end standing in the middle, um, with the director next to him, is probably mundus. He might actually be. And then there was when they opened up Ouroboros. Yeah, I can see that. So I mean, that's a prediction my wife makes.
Speaker 1:Oh, I wonder who that guy is. I was like, yeah, if it is, I wouldn't be surprised yeah.
Speaker 2:But otherwise that's all that I actually have. I mean, realistically I could dive forever into this, but there's no real point. The main thing into it is enjoy the series. There's a bunch of callbacks. If you're a fan of Resident Evil, a fan of Devil May Cry, you're going to see all the Easter eggs into it. We have Resident Evil moments.
Speaker 2:The lady's entire storyline is based on Resident Evil and bringing that back into Devil May Cry and how they were connected together, we got the callback for Raccoon City. When Dante mentioned that he went to Raccoon City and dude was like how was I supposed to know about that situation? And he was like yeah, no, dante's whole story focuses on Devil May Cry, on his story. It is a completely retelling. It is a mix of DMC. It is a complete retcon from Devil May Cry 2 and 4. Like I said, devil May Cry 5 has already retconned Devil May Cry 2 and 4 anyway, because DMC 5 brings an adult Dante. He's much older in Devil May Cry 5 than he was in 2. And he's funny, hilarious, has a whole, makes nothing but cracked jokes and everything. He's completely different. So Devil May Cry 2 almost is like it didn't happen per se. They do reference that story, but I'll go further into detail into that when I do the review of the games.
Speaker 2:But for the most part, yeah, again again, 8.5, 9 out of 10. It is definitely a great journey. Um, you will have moments that you will catch those little callbacks into it. Otherwise, it's a good story to follow, definitely something I highly recommend. Um, even with the cgi being a little off, still highly recommend it. The fight scenes are amazing, um, especially when you get to the very end, you know we get another resident evil call back with the white rabbit, when he winds up fully injecting himself with demon blood and goes full-on.
Speaker 2:Resident evil monster. Uh, this isn't even my final form, I've been holding this back. And then boom comes back, type of thing. And then, of course, just like normal resident evil, you deliver the final blow with a rocket launcher. Yes, same thing that happens in Resident Evil a rocket launcher and it's still even though it's the quote unquote final blow. The character is still not dead yet. He still wants to walk away, escaping, to go ahead and do something different. Um, and, of course, our main character now has a whole nother journey he has to take, but he's locked up. So we're gonna see what happens. But yeah, I mean generally, all in all, I definitely do enjoy this. I very much enjoyed this series. Uh, very fun to watch. Y'all know me I know you said you only watched it one time I always watch stuff twice Once for enjoyment, twice for analysis, so I can make sure I give you guys the best content that we can on our podcast. Thank y'all again. So much for listening.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, and with that being said, we're going to go ahead and close this out. Thank you for listening. Thank you, coco Gots, for being on the show with me. Keep in mind that we are building up our website, zonalinescom. I am almost ready to reveal what miniatures for D&D that we're going to have listed on the website. So go ahead and get ready for that. That's coming June 1st, excuse me, and you know we're going to get ready to do a whole bunch of things. We got the summer games coming up. We're going to do the Zone Horror Showcase in October. You know we're going to do the review on Dope May Cry video game, the Resident Evil video game and other horror related things. But you know, stay nerdy, stay faithful. Remember the great things are coming. Go ahead and have yourself a good morning, good afternoon, good evening and good night, but ultimately, take it easy.
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