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Dragon Ball Daima: New Lore, Transformations & Adventures in the Demon Realm
The episode dives deep into the charming world of Dragon Ball Daima, examining its narrative twists, character transformations, and thematic depth. Goku's journey of youthful rebirth provides an interesting lens through which both nostalgia and innovation shine.
- Exploring the concept of age reversal and its implications for character dynamics
- Discussing the new antagonist, Gomah, and the stakes he introduces
- Acknowledging world-building efforts surrounding the Demon Realm
- Charting character development for Goku, Vegeta, and others
- Analyzing the tonal shifts in storytelling and the audience's reception
- Reflecting on the essence of Dragon Ball humor amidst the action
- Highlighting potential plot directions for future narratives
- Addressing viewer concerns regarding the light-hearted approach
- Celebrating the legacy and influence of Dragon Ball upon this new installment
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Dragon Ball Diamond. What can I say? What can I say? What can I say?
Speaker 1:I was fairly impressed, it was better than I thought Like, granted, the internet was kind of exploding about certain candid events, but as far as everything else, like how it came to be and all that, the flow and whatnot, I'm like you know what I was digging it. So let's go ahead and dive into the plot a little bit and I'm gonna have some notes outside of that, and I'm glad to have kogagatsu with me on this one. So let's just go ahead and zone in. So Dragon Ball Diamond Preaches a storyline set between the events of Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super. This is following the defeat of Dabura and Majin Buu. Now there's a new Supreme King of the Demon Realm, goma, who's using Dragon Ball to turn Goku and his friend into younger versions of themselves. Anyways, in order for them to not pose any threat to him, goku Shin you know Spring Kai or his native name, nahare Vegeta, piccolo and Bulma are aided by the demons Glorio and Pansy, who both oppose Bulma, and they're on this journey through the three worlds of the demon realms, gather native dragon balls and reverse Bulma's wish. Now I will say just a little bit and I'll see what cokie has to feel about this.
Speaker 1:Uh, the light-hearted tone of this series oddly reminds me of the original dragon ball series, a little bit of dragon ball tt vibes, almost as if this could have been a video game. And that's funny that I'm saying this because it's just been announced today. So breaking news, breaking nerdy news Super Saiyan 3, vegeta, is going to be added to Xenoverse 2. And Dragon Ball Z Kakarot Is going to have the Dragon Ball Daima storyline. Part 1 is coming out relatively soon and then part 2 is going to be later down the line. So there's that. But also, crazy enough, it was giving Dragon Quest vibes, especially with Pansy. Kind of reminds me of Jessica from I think it was Dragon Quest vibes. Especially with Pansy Kind of reminds me of Jessica from I think it was Dragon Quest 7.
Speaker 1:Just the design, in a way, it's almost like, why does this feel like Dragon Quest? But then again, akira Toriyama was the Character designer For Dragon Quest. So I'm like, okay, I can kind of see I'll keep getting Dragon Quest vibes from this series. But I was digging it, I was loving it. Some of the plot inconveniences, though, kind of felt like an excuse for the game to have something to do during their journey. Otherwise this series would probably be like half as long, if not shorter, and I do like how the first leg of the series focused on the world building aspect. It's playing a demon realm, the denizens there, how things work there and, before we really get into things, kogayatsu. How are you feeling about Dragon Ball?
Speaker 2:I was good. So, like you said, better than expected. I definitely agree the same it was. I was not one of the viewers that went in with negative hopes. I'll be honest with you. Um, I was, normally I would be, but yeah, I was thinking I was thinking like okay, when it was first announced.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking like hold on, hold on. I was one of those guys like hold on, wait a minute, let them cook, because wait a minute. There's got to be a reason why they're producing this instead of working on season two of dragon ball super. They gotta be like a good reason why. Tori, I'll work on this. So I'm right, I'll give it a chance, we'll see there is.
Speaker 2:There is a reason actually into it. Uh like the shortened reason into it is the fact that super is actually toyotaro's baby. Uh, toyotaro wound up having he wound up actually having an reason into it is the fact that super is actually to y'all's rose baby Uh, to y'all's or wound up having he wound up actually having an interview into it and he was given very clear Like. What he explained was that Toriyama was not giving him information like that. Toriyama would literally give him like a blank sheet, like not even almost a near blank sheet of paper, with a little bit of information on it and it was up to Teotiro to turn this into like a whole episode or turn it into a whole chapter in the manga. So where Super feels like it's kind of like lost is also because Teotiro was lost as well.
Speaker 1:So you're telling me that Toriyama was giving Teotaro the Batman treatment. You know how Batman Robb is like Batman's like. All right, here's the plan. Then he just dips out Wait, hold on.
Speaker 2:You didn't tell me the plan yet, but it was supposed to be his whole passing of the torch, like the way it was kind of explaining.
Speaker 1:I know that, I just thought it was funny that way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like the way it was kind of explaining, I know that, but like I just thought it was funny that way. Yeah, he was like giving the most minimum amount of information, and it was just like the whole, I'm not gonna hold your hand forever that part.
Speaker 2:So like the whole gas arc, all that mostly Teatro, like literally what Tori information on it was. There was supposed to be these guys that are sweepers. They were just supposed to show up. One of them gets the power up and it winds up leading to Vegeta and Goku to really tap into their Saiyan heritage Goku to tap into their Saiyan heritage and it was like okay. And then boom, frieza pops up, oh, okay, and it was like wait, that's it like turn this into a story. You got this. It was like wait and Chris, enough, still won the greatest artist. I gotta be honest with you, but still I was like okay, that's, that's hilarious. Um, but yeah, when it comes back for Daima, it was one of those ones that a lot of people absolutely hated, the whole turn the kid thing. Um, mostly because of gt, that was one of the biggest critiques and I know we talked about this in our previous review.
Speaker 1:What was that? I?
Speaker 2:don't know, I'm sorry. Uh, that's what we talked about in our previous review is that it was just like with gt. That was what a lot of people hated about GT was the fact that Goku got turned back into a kid and it was like, why would you do that? That doesn't make sense. It was like, well, it's part of the story, he gets turned back into a kid in order to try to make him like a little bit weaker because he's too, because he's O-Power and stuff. So it was like a play onto that situation. But it was because when toriyama wrote this story, it was primarily because he wanted to finally have something taken back to dragon ball. We've seen him try to do this before, like we reviewed the boo saga, and even like um the youtuber, mark um guy, I can't remember. I'm sorry, but you know, totally not mark totally not mark.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because even he had made mention of it as well too, during his reviews, and the fact that Toriyama really wanted to go back to Dragon Ball and that's what he tried to do with Gohan, but unfortunately it just didn't pan out. The fans wouldn't let it happen. So Diamond was a project that he completely wrote out and he was working on it, and so he finished up the story and that was it before he had passed. So it was like this was him getting out what he originally wanted to do and trying to make it happen like right after the food saga type thing, and he wound up not releasing it, probably because, for the exact reason, that fan that was having difficulty at the beginning because he strongly believed fans was not going to want to accept it. And strangely enough, right on point he was right about it a lot of fans did not want to accept that. It did not want to accept me and turn into kids.
Speaker 2:Um, and then one, one last thing one other youtuber I follow, uh, classic man d. He was one of the ones that actually kind of shocked me as much, because I know he's a really big dragon ball z fan, but he specifically said it like he absolutely did not want to fuck with diamond because he was pissed off about the whole film turning into kid shit and he's like this is just some kiddie nonsense. It's like I understand having some comedy, but it feels like there's just too much comedy. It doesn't feel like the story is really going like it's supposed to. Like you said, if we really got stuck just with the story, it would have been half the amount of episodes. Like we got 20, 28 episodes in this, no, 20 episodes in this one. And it's like how does it work out as a 10 episode series or 12 episode one-time series? It would not have panned out that well, so it needed to be a little bit of fluff. But add in that people's already pissed off.
Speaker 2:The kids were turned in that they were g fighters, turned the kids and then the extra fluff added. A lot of people just really wasn't fucking with it until they got turned back into adults. Well, really no, until the final fight with goma. Once it got to the fight with goma, that's when people really was like now I feel like I could fuck with this. Even when they were kids they were like I can still kind of fuck with this a little bit. This animation is looking pretty dope. This fight sequence is looking pretty clean right now.
Speaker 1:I want to say it was really from episode 12 on where that's when people started to walk in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean as far as a general basis into it, but it it was good. Like there's, there's a couple of definite elements that we I really wanted to break down. I know I um, I did a blog onto it on the first half, um, so I will be releasing the second blog on the second half obviously as well. Um, because there's a there's not as much like. The first half half was more of like how it connected to the story. Second half is now. We just continue the journey. You know also, we got Super Saiyan 3, vegeta, and then we got Super Saiyan they actually confirmed as it being Super Saiyan 4, because everyone's like, oh, we got a name for it and everything. No, the fuck, we didn't. I watched the dub, I watched the dub.
Speaker 1:The last episode said it Exactly.
Speaker 2:The last episode said it exactly exactly.
Speaker 1:Everybody was sitting here trying to talk about this and everything, and I will say this is also one of those ones that you need to make sure you pay attention to.
Speaker 2:Talk about, I'm like whatever, but pay attention to who's giving accurate information, because there was several people talking about this last episode was not going to be. A lot of people was upset because they heard the last episode was not going to be an extended episode and it was still going to feed and it was going to run within this normal 20 something minutes 23 minute time frame with an opening and a closing. And they were wrong. The final episode had no opening. It continued exactly where the previous episode left off. So we still technically got our hour finale per se.
Speaker 1:So be careful you get your source from, because I don't like release this shit unless I got accurate information on it see, that's why even though we're gonna eventually do the nerdy news special on a weekly basis next year that's why I kind of appreciate waiting monthly, because sometimes it's better to have all the information before just running with what we got, yeah. But uh, let's go ahead and zoom through some of these notes. I have, like, I got a bunch of notes, but not a whole lot of notes. I just want to go ahead and blaze through them and see what, how you feel about it, kogayasu. So here's my thing. Uh, sometimes I kind of do forget that goma kidnapped dende, but the series doesn't really express that much urgency to rescue him until like the literal halfway point.
Speaker 1:Uh, the glind, the race of demons that the Supreme Kai and his siblings, dr Aran Su and Degasu, are from. They normally reside in the second of the three demon worlds in the demon realm. That was very interesting, hold on, I'll explain that a little bit later. Aran Su, who wants to overthrow Goma with a champion of sorts more perfected than Majin buu. Uh, before I continue, I like the way she's built.
Speaker 1:Moving on, uh, apparently, when majin bajita tried to kill buu, to no avail, aren't super was around to take a sample of buu when the latter was regenerating. This helped her in the plan to create margin ku and margin do using cyberman seeds, with the help of the witch marva, who created boo by a foot, by the way, at the request of the wizard bibbidi. Now, while ku is more of a intellectual, um, surprisingly enough, uh, do is more suited for combat. I guess they're kind of clowns, but they're decent guys. At the end, like I don't want to explain the ending, but I'm going to talk about the ending when we get there but they're decent, I like them. Namekians Also originate from the demon Realm which you the whole thing with Demon King Piccolo like, even though him calling himself Demon King Piccolo had a different meaning in Dragon Ball. They explain it, but for this to go full circle makes you think yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:But, uh, the Namekians, they didn't like being ruled over, so they bound to live in their own planet in the outside realm. Here's where the plot kind of fucks me up a little bit when they started explaining how the first Demon King, abra, I believe. It was wanted to expand the Demon Realm so he asked the super-mods in Rhymus to create the universe. And ryan is, just like this, highest authority of the universe at the time. And no, not all races are descendants of the demon realm. So don't thinking like, oh, uh, that doesn't mean everybody's like a demon, like no, no, no, uh, especially if you don't have uh pointed ear, they're going to think, nah, you're not one of us. But yeah, and apparently all the Supreme Con was sent to various universes and I do express various universes, like almost, like they made it sound like there's more than 12 universes, like how Dragon Ball Super wanted us to believe that there's only like 12 universes. You know kind of like a finite curve. You know kind of getting Rick and Morty vibe Now that I think about it. But apparently Supreme Kai's All sent to various universes as just overseers, just to make sure Mortals don't fuck shit up. You know, like with the whole Zamasu shit Going on in our super.
Speaker 1:The third eye is this sort of regalia for people, for demons, especially supreme demon king, to grant them immense power. And the way they did that. Last episode, cookie said oh my fucking god, I fucking laughed and I got pissed and I laughed, but I'll explain later. Uh, dabura plotted to have it stolen from his father, abra, not to use it for himself, but to ensure that Abra would be defeated and overthrown by Dabura. He just wanted to weaken him, so to speak. So you could say Dabura went a more direct route to the throne. Not that direct, but a roundabout way, a more straightforward, I don't know how you want to put it. Uh, anyway, the third eye ended up lost in the third demon uh world and hibis happened a chance to, and it's been. He's been using it as a belt buckle ever since. A few more things, and I swear to God, I'm almost done.
Speaker 1:Vegeta was able to achieve Super Saiyan 3 off screen during through training. Mom duh, you know like he achieved Super Saiyan 1 just by training, or you know, like you know he found a way. So I believe it. Uh, apparently, when the majin buu absorbs and spits out his target, his body produces a gas that undo the patara fusion, which explains why kibito and uh nahari isn't fused together anymore. So, okay, I guess that's a explanation. Uh, if we weren't going to. Uh, you know like, if drag mall super, like you see then, and kibito like separate, like how is he playing now? Okay, now there's an explanation.
Speaker 1:Uh, I guess it's like a weird nitpick. Like so baby trunks and go 10 can communicate with each other telepathically, or is like one of those things like with babies, like regret logic, where the babies can understand each other but the adults can't understand what the babes are saying. You know, like stewie griffin's, where you can't understand him as an audience member, but like, uh, you know what, moving on, gloria was secretly working for rn suit in hopes that they were going to take down goma, but rn suit, she already had her ambition. So they were like, okay, hold on. Like, uh, we do need to help out the gang. So, uh, I'm just gonna go ahead and use the dragon balls to wish them back normal.
Speaker 1:Uh, when pansy questioned how goku managed to raise a kid, goku replied I wasn't really involved and, with that being said, I'm like you know what, I'm tired of fighting the whole bad dad narrative, because I'm like, at this point, I'm right there with y'all. I'm like, you know what, if goku can be honest, that honest. But I'm like, fuck it, I mean, he's not the worst dad. I don't know like I've seen worse, that's all I'll say. He's a bad dad, but I've seen worse. I'm like, yeah, it is what it's. Uh, goku versus Tamagami. Number three had a little sauce in it.
Speaker 1:As far as fight choreography, apparently, in the demon realm, if you beat up somebody, they'll steal your plane as revenge, which is one of those plot inconveniences where I'm like I feel like they're only doing that just to extend the plot. You know that fluff. Pippa's shooting his shot at Bulma was funny. How like oh, uh, do you want to be my Girlfriend? And Biddy was like, hey, she's married. I'm like, okay and Uh, the Jenna Marie force, which what?
Speaker 1:The Timu Ginyu Force? Nice guys, though Nice guys like not to Pick on too much, but it is what it is. I know this, I just know this. Oh, there's a planet in the second demon world that looks like king kai's planet. So I'm like, hold the fuck.
Speaker 1:Uh, so neva, the old namkian that put the shield up in, who was like a legend in the demon realm gave Goku the boost in order for him to transform into Super Saiyan 4. So it's kind of like how Vegeta had Bulma's help with the Blutz Wave to become Super Saiyan 4, kind of like that. Almost like Naver, kind of unlocked Goku's hidden potential. Because, keep in mind, they never did that to Goku in the series, they did that for Gohan and Krillin and 20 Cent Pickle, but never Goku. So that was kind of cool.
Speaker 1:Anyways, vegeta, that man loves his bad time with Bulma. Anyways, vegeta, that man loves his bad time with Bulma. Like, he took less than five seconds when she said if you don't let the guys on fight him, you're not taking any more baths with me. And then he was like zipline back to the ground, like hey, yo, I'm bored with him. Anyways, y'all go ahead and have fun. And because he hit Bulma in the back of the head three times, majin Koo Is the sleeper MVP of this story and the one who defeated Goma. Therefore, he got the right to become Supreme King and Arasu became his VP. Majin Du Glorio, maruba, neva and Kadan will serve as his Minister. And did I mention how surprisingly Intelligent and insightful Kaku can be sometimes? Oh, last thing, very last scene of the series. So these demons can just Buy a third eye At a convenience store? What was the point of Goma going through all that? 8 out of 10. It's all 8 out of 10. It's all 8 out of 10. I enjoyed this show.
Speaker 2:First off, I'm insulted that you said 5 seconds on that bath time. If you pay attention to that frame, it was in slow motion but he turned around in the middle of Goma sending him a punch. He dodged the punch and was back. That was less than a second. That was no five seconds, that was one second. Boy respects his bath time with his wife and I fully understand amen to that it's like, hey, we need a bro, listen, I understand exactly I I understood it I understood.
Speaker 2:Listen, I understand Exactly. I understood. I understood You're talking about like you ain't getting no bad time. That's the same Hot ass white, you ain't getting no cootie.
Speaker 1:Thick ass booty. She's also very intelligent and she's rich as fuck. I'm like listen, I understand, like you don't want to fuck that up.
Speaker 2:There was no judgment into that whatsoever. I was like, bro, I understand you say I guess I could let y'all fight alongside me. You're gonna figure that out, I guess. Um, but no, absolutely. Um, a couple things that I absolutely like is never. I definitely don't want to sleep into that one too much. Um, I love the introduction of never.
Speaker 2:There's a couple things that unfortunately toriyama did not get a chance to fully like flesh out, unfortunately before his passing. But I'm happy we got a chance to get neva, who are understanding the original creator of the dragon balls, because the funniest thing about it is that clearly toriyama told somebody because I remember hearing about this a long time ago when somebody was like, oh, there's a rumor thing about the person who originally created the dragon balls being like the original person to make in to do so and it's super powerful and stuff, and I love that we got a chance to really play into that. So I don't know if that was something that Toriyama had the idea of and told someone or if it's because, like, this was something that somebody had talked about a long time ago before it got back to him and he just kind of held on to that and was like, oh, that sounds like a good idea, I'm gonna use it. And so never being like this ancient namekian for one is, you know, part of the dragon clan, that one out of the fighter clan, but you know, the dragon clan, the dragon balls, but the fact that he, he's asleep on the fact of how much, how strong he is, not how strong, but just how creative he is, this dude's magic is unparalleled.
Speaker 2:Nobody in the demon realm can beat his. He wound up beating his barriers where he separated all three demon worlds and he alone has the ability to get rid of it. And it was like just that moment, that little slight reveal of him. You're like, okay, I think it's time for me to step in now. And then just all of a sudden, boom, boom, chills are just gone and you're like what?
Speaker 1:And it's like it just really makes you think. Like I know, neva is a ancient namacian, but it just kind of makes you wonder the potential of piccolo somewhere in the future to where I'm like. It kind of like it reminds me of that one episode of uh dragon ball z a bridge where uh it was in perfect cell and, like you know, piccolo like with his regenerative powers and he was like how tough are you, how tough am I? Questions for later. It was like Piccolo gets so baffled by how powerful Neva is, like wait, how powerful am.
Speaker 2:I questions for later and then he created Tamagotchi, but not Tamagotchi, tamagotchi hold on Tamagotchi, tamagotchi, the tamagotchi but uh not tamagotchi uh, uh, hold on uh, tamagotchi man.
Speaker 2:This got me anyway. But he created the tamagotchi, made these things so powerful that no other demon can really just beat them. Clearly it took like majin do, like it took him really getting serious to be able to fight, to be able to get that Dragon Ball. So it was like he created Robotic warriors. That's a whole other thing too, and I'm like dang, this dude is powerful as hell. Wait a second Now. My biggest question that I have here Is what the fuck happened to Guru, because Nenva is old, like old ancient Right, and he's walking around like Kami. He's still able to walk around and move around and stuff. What happened to Guru? Was he like back on planet Nami?
Speaker 1:Why was he so warm? Well, you know, he drank all that water. You know, you know what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying I'm just sitting here, like what happened there. I'm starting to really question Team Four Stars' little story being true. Now I'm about to say I'm like hold on, I thought they just got bigger as they age. You mean to tell me this dude is just a big fat motherfucker.
Speaker 1:You know. I heard something that was kind of crazy. It's between guys like Raps or Petty and Ace Bang Shout out to them, by the way, great work. Close Guys like Rapsopetti and Ace Bang Shout out to them, by the way, great work. I heard a comment that made total sense If they hit you with any copyright strikes, you're on to something.
Speaker 2:Mmm, mmm.
Speaker 1:Because if you were completely comedic, like, oh well, no way you could have figured it out. They were like, okay, we're not going to pay attention, it's not going to blow up like that. But then you see shit like Dragon Ball Z a bridge blew up real fast. People really started questioning the logic behind the whole story and I'm like wait, hold on. You want to do something? We need to shut you down. You got too much knowledge somehow.
Speaker 2:We need to shut you down. You might need to. You got too much knowledge somehow. You need to tune that down just a little bit.
Speaker 1:Nah, you know too much. You need to shut up.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Speaking straight up facts, they'll copyright anything once you get some truth in it. Man, it sounds like a certain Canadian guy, sounds like something like that's happening too. Anyway, copyright anything once you get some truth in it. Man, it sounds like a certain canadian guy, it sounds like something like that's happening too.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I mean to be fair, like he kind of brought it on himself though that's disgusting because it just continues to get worse.
Speaker 2:Anyway, but one thing about Devatube, the thing that really got me is that unfortunately, we did not get more discussion about the creation of the world, creation of the universes. Now, in Super they did confirm there were more than 12 universes, it was just that. Um, yeah, they confirmed it, but what happened was that the other ones were destroyed already. Well, yeah, they confirmed it, but what happened?
Speaker 1:was that the other ones were destroyed already. Well, yeah, like goddamn, I really wanted Dragon Ball Kamehameha to be canned for some reason that was so good.
Speaker 2:Kamehameha is so great. It's so fleshed out Like good Lord Almighty. But because it would be nice, because we didn't get a chance to get much more into this, like okay, the supreme demon king wanted the universe to be created and it's like okay, so is the supreme demon king. Is that his? Um, like the original, the first one is the king of all his son. Is that what makes sense? Because he's still like a kid. So I'm just like.
Speaker 1:I'm like, hold on. So I know, at this point we know that we're between, with Daima and Super, like two different hands were being placed on the story. So it was like, okay, daima was clearly like heavily influenced by Toriyama, while Super was more like oversaw by Toriyama, but mainly the hands on was Toyotaro. So I'm like, okay, I understand, but I'm like it just kind of makes me wonder how you're going to fit that in now to where Rhyme is supposed to be the highest authority. So how does Zeno fit into that now?
Speaker 2:exactly, but unfortunately we just we didn't get a chance to really get a chance to see that fleshed out and that's why I really wanted. I was like, oh okay, we got a creation universe and grant and I like I mentioned to you before we even started this, I like the series but unfortunately it left more questions than answers, because this is supposed to be in between. How does goku no longer remember super saiyan 4? Clearly, bro you know, no, no no, no, no no no I got, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1:They're going to do it in Dragon Ball Fashion. It was like, oh, I forgot, I'm like you forgot. I'm like, what can I say? I forgot.
Speaker 2:Apparently Vegeta, forgot too, because it happened in the moral. Vegeta couldn't do. Super Saiyan 3.
Speaker 1:Or they were probably explaining To where, like oh, you know how they did in Dragon Ball Super with uh Goku versus Kefka, where it's like oh well, you know, it kind of drains my body A little bit.
Speaker 2:So I don't really like being in this form that long you know, Uh, super Saiyan 4 does not Even look anything remotely like it would Drain form, but okay.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, like, but how would that explain? No, unless you're talking about like, okay, they call it Limit breaker in uh, the xeno, uh universe, and I'm like, oh well, you know, like at this point it's whatever, but for some reason, um, super saiyan 3 just drains your stamina, like I haven't fully mastered this form. But at super saiyan 4 it's like, for some reason it's not so bad here, I I don't know that part. They really got a.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:God, because you know, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me say this before I forget the fact that we got some of the best parts of Dragon Ball Diamond during Black History Month, the fact that we got Super Saiyan 4 on Valentine's Day. That felt like a love letter. I felt so Hurt.
Speaker 2:When that episode aired On Valentine's Day, because listen what I say.
Speaker 1:In the Dragon Ball I had three wishes on Shinran Make Broly Cannon Granted. Make Super Saiyan 4 cannon, Super granted. All I'm missing. I just want to see how Ultra Gogeta looks and I'm good.
Speaker 2:Ultra ego, Ultra instinct fusion. Oh, I don't know how are those powers.
Speaker 1:I just want to see if they can do it. I want to see how that will work. Here's why I don't think how those powers. I just want to see if they can do it. I want to see how that will work. Here's why.
Speaker 2:I don't think it will. But I mean, we might see, I don't know. This is why I don't think it will, and it goes back to Zamasu. When Zamasu fused with Goku Black, what wound up happening is that you had one that was immortal and one that was mortal, and so whenever it would take damage, the immortal body would constantly just reheal like it was nothing, but the mortal body couldn't, and it caused it imbalance. The same thing, I think, is based on the powers. Ultra instinct is untouchable, unless you're biting for some reason. You know you could bite wiz, even though he's always in ultra instant mode. For some reason he doesn't detect biting. I don't know what's up with that, but anyway, ultra instinct is untouchable.
Speaker 1:Ultra ego powers up the more you get hit so how you have a power of no touch and a power of constantly being touched but that's the thing, that's the uh mysterious, like the almost ethereal, like spiritual part of it was almost like a yin and yang type situations where, uh, where it would be uh, yin or like the dark side, like that would be ego and then yang or whatever, the light side.
Speaker 1:You know, it's kind of screwy here or there because, like, it really depends on which story that you're following, because sometimes yin is more like the magical side and yang is more physical, kinetic, and they kind of explain it different ways. But I just felt it was more like a yin yang type thing, to where it's like two wholly different people like balancing each other out. It's like, you know, like filling gaps, to where it's like okay, yeah, okay, yeah, he can like dodge you like super quick and like super fast reflex on, like on danger sense or like spidey sense in a way, uh, and if he does get hit, yeah, he gets powered up. But you have to be like super quick to a point to where, uh, you can even keep up with Ultra Instinct. So if it doesn't happen, oh well. But that's my third wish.
Speaker 2:Gotcha, you mentioned Ultra Eagle in-game. They actually have mechanics like that. I think it's. They already have mechanics like that in Tekken. Now that I think about it, in Tekken they still have it to where, once you reach like a fourth bar, aside from it giving you the fatal blow onto the newer Tekken Tekken 7 and Tekken they still have it to where, once you reach like a fourth bar, aside from giving you the fatal blow on to the the newer Tekken Tekken 7 and Tekken 8 it actually increases your power. The more damage you get, so like because, like a desperation type thing, so it can, it can use that mechanic. Actually it's probably in like uh, maybe in Xenoverse or something like that he holds your ego and the more damage you take, like all of a sudden his strength just starts increasing and you start seeing your health bar deplete significantly more. The more that he's taking damage you like wait a second, this is what I thought was gonna happen yeah oh, but I don't know, it's one of those things.
Speaker 2:Into it now. For me, I'm happy we got a super saiyan 4 cannon. What I'm most happy about is at first I was unsure of the change of design, but what I most appreciated is the fact that we finally got a actual sun wukong version of goku yeah, see because things like the first thing I noticed well, hold on like aside from the hair, because I was thinking like the red hair, I'm like, okay, it's not bad, it's just.
Speaker 1:At least with the black hair and the yellow eyes and gt, it looked menacing. It's almost like you really don't want to mess with this motherfucker. Like the way pan looked at him when he first transformed into super saiyan for goku and man, this dude looked like well, I'm kind of scared to even come close to him like he look like he about to bitch slap me for asking me the wrong question.
Speaker 2:I'm like I don't know and then add him into the the Zuniverse saga as well, like the whole Dragon Ball Heroes. But he's got the like a trench coat type thing right, yeah it's almost like he's.
Speaker 1:it's almost like a trench coat type thing. Yeah, it's almost like he. It's almost like him and Vegeta at that stage got some black Air Force energy around them, like you really want to know.
Speaker 2:There's a reason people like people. There's a bunch of people who did not necessarily like, who clearly didn't necessarily like GT, but the one thing that people nobody has ever said, well, no, there's only one thing they didn't like that GT. But the one thing that people nobody has ever said, well, no, there's only one thing, they didn't like that Vegeta had leather pants for some reason.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, but then again his usual spit. I'm like I kind of get it. You know spandex and whatnot, but yeah.
Speaker 2:That was it. Other than that there was like nobody hated Super Saiyan 4. The design was dope. The fact of the matter that it was so good that they specifically made a whole point inside of Universe.
Speaker 2:1. To where, when Wiz sees Super Saiyan 4, he's like yo, what is this? This power is godlike. I like this.
Speaker 2:It really puts that point into perspective of yeah, they really want to do something, and I do wonder if that's some type of callback type of thing. It really kind of puts that point into perspective of yeah, they really want to do something, and I do wonder if that's like some type of callback type of thing, like what, if that was something that was a like a hint into a point of like, oh, there is something in the works for super saiyan 4, just be patient, just be patient. Here we are like years later and we finally got it, and it's like yo, that's what's up. Um, the as far as into the red here. I I would say that might be a design choice based upon the fact that it's supposed to be with super still have no idea how that works out, but whatever it's supposed to be with super, and because it's supposed to be with super is the's the closest that we've gotten to a Super Saiyan God form per se.
Speaker 1:Because that was a theory that a lot of people said a long time ago that's what I meant to have. It looked like Super Saiyan God in a way. I'm like okay, I mean I guess that in a way it can kind of bridge Super Saiyan for the forms of DT. Here's the theory.
Speaker 2:Here's then um for with um, the forms of detail. But even then, here's a theory, here's a theory that we got with it. Some will call and I'll be really quick, some will come, even though he was born that like stronger than everyone else type of thing, which is still a big like flip for goku, because goku was not born to strongness, he was actually born weaker than a lot of people.
Speaker 1:Um, that has been confirmed, can in multiple, in multiple cases, but that's why you Never say that Goku was a Mary Sue Because he had he literally trained as a young boy to become as strong as he is.
Speaker 2:Exactly, but so Wukong Wound up being born stronger and more powerful Than everybody. However, we can say this Super Saiyan form like the red hair close to God, being like pretty much ascending Almost to godlike power because, especially going after goma, with this third eye, this third eye is broken as hell. It heals no matter what damage you get. You stay alive, and it instantly heals you every single time, no matter what I'm still mad fight like eight times straight up vibey shit.
Speaker 2:But um, so literally goku ascending to godhood, like how son wukong ascended to godhood per se. He achieved a new form and ascended, so it could be like a situation kind of like that. Um, I feel as if I'm stretching to make that work, but I'm trying to stress too much.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying it's almost like because once again, like we just said, like this time Toriyama was heavily involved with this one. So it's like it's just gonna be hard to explain and like kinda mess it into Dragon Ball Super. If they decide to incorporate what happened in Daima into Super, it's almost like you're gonna have to like retcon, a whole bunch of things like, and also, top of that, like, if you continue dragon ball super and you include daima, I'm like you know, I don't think dragon ball daima is going to have like a second season per se, even if the uh ending kind of makes it feel it could be that way. But that's just the thing. That's why I said earlier to where I love how this series like did a whole bunch of world building, to where it introduced the demon realm, how it worked and all that shit, because it feels like we're gonna have some sort of adventure there again. But it's not gonna be Dragon Ball Diamond. It'll just be incorporated into Dragon Ball Dima. It will just be incorporated into Dragon Ball Super somehow.
Speaker 2:To be honest with you, I don't want it to be incorporated into Super. I want it to be just a what-if scenario, Like what if? It went to the Demon Realm. Yeah, what if they went to the Demon Realm and this happened per se?
Speaker 1:Oh, so you want it to be like a self-contained story. I do so. You want to be like a self-contained story.
Speaker 2:I do. I do in all honesty Because I don't want it to change. Super has built so much. I don't want there to be constant retcon after retcon after retcon to try to you know, quote, unquote, fix things. Because that's one of the things that happened with GT. Like, even though GT was fan-made, toriyama still had input into it. He still kind of like like they reached out to him and he had a little bit of input into it and he liked the Super Saiyan 4 design.
Speaker 1:He did say that he did like the design into it can I mention real quick before you continue popping off I thought it was kind of funny, like I mean, yeah, but also I didn't mind it too much the memes about how his forearms looking like Popeye. And I'm like it kind of accurate with the monkey design. It kind of makes sense. So I'm like I'm not mad at it, but I'm just saying I just want to put it out there.
Speaker 2:Oh, definitely no, I'm not mad at you. That's one of the things I like is that we got a monkey form.
Speaker 1:And he fought more like a monkey too. Like as soon as he went to that form he started going on all things. I will say nitpick. I do have a real nitpick, though In some shots he did look kind of blocky, almost like when, especially when he become an adult, and it kind of feels like they kind of forgot that he became an adult. So it kind of feels a little emblazoned in some frames.
Speaker 2:Some kiddish features. Yeah, when they first showed him going in that form, again in adult form, when they panned in and did the slow zoom, it was like hold on, he still looks like the kid form, but they just kind of like angled it differently.
Speaker 1:Yeah, someone kind of squished him a little bit, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I got a screenshot of it, so it's the same, I agree with you, but um. So one of the biggest things for me too is that I like that this also really kind of showcased the fact that Piccolo inherited a lot of knowledge from Kami. That's something that I didn't actually expect to happen was the fact that he just kind of knew certain stuff, like getting a chance to Find out Piccolo's grandfather's name King Piccolo the demon, king Piccolo's father, his name and we're just like, oh, okay, so we're getting a little bit more Into it.
Speaker 1:I like that we got a chance To see the Mafuba and understand that the Mafuba is yeah that's what I was about, say how it contained Goma and Degasu, and it was kind of funny how they're just chilling, they're just playing video games. They're like okay, whatever, that's cool. They sound like they're comfortable, so okay, whatever. But yeah, I kind of like that little reference, like hey, the Marvel technique.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly so, yeah, exactly exactly so. But yeah, like it's. I love that we get a chance to see this, all this amazing development that clearly was there, and it's like, oh no, if only we had let Toriyama cook before he passed right.
Speaker 1:I should have appreciated him more. See, that's why I'm saying like, that's why you gotta give people their.
Speaker 2:I shouldn't appreciate it anymore.
Speaker 1:See, that's why I'm saying, that's why you gotta give people their flowers before it's too late.
Speaker 2:Exactly, arensu. No, the glens. I want to get a chance to talk about that one too. The glens is a very interesting theory into this one, because with Christianity you have the angels fell and became demons, versus the reverse here the demons left the demon world to become gods and angels.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I'm like, so hold on.
Speaker 2:It was like Kami means God Kai literally just means supreme one. So hold on. It was like Kami means God Kai literally just means supreme one, so pretty much God. And then come to find out, oh, kami, or even all the Namekians, are demons, and so it makes you really question a lot more too.
Speaker 1:Oh, see, no, no, listen, hell, satan. Back to when we were talking about joking about Dragon Ball Z, a bridge where, uh, between Piccolo and I think it was like Nail or uh, some other Namekian, where they were like saying that, oh, I thought we were demons, like nope, it's slug men. And I'm like, yeah, that's how you can tell they were like I'm on to something. But then again, oh yeah, we gotta have to shut y'all down. Like y'all probably been talking to tori, y'all haven't. Y'all like that. I'm so jealous. Like how do y'all get to talk to when we don't no?
Speaker 2:I'm joking. I mean it happens, it Devin don't? I would have loved to. I would have specifically made sure we learned Japanese just to do that. She'll get Kylie Dunham. Get her up on there, bro.
Speaker 1:I know she wanted to be on for Dragon Ball Diamond, but you know things happen and I understand yeah so, but no, absolutely, it's like I love.
Speaker 2:It's so much to like about it, like I get it. There's a lot of reason to dislike it when you have such a strong feelings into something. But when you let go, just let go the feelings and just enjoy it for what it is, you find out that this is significantly better than you imagined it would be. So, yeah, but Irinsu the glins, but Irinsu specifically. Now I know, yes, you said you like her design.
Speaker 2:I find it so interesting in the fact that how Nahari or Shin winds up talking to her and it's like I can see that there's still some good in you. And it's to the point that everyone collectively agreed that they wanted her to be the new Supreme Gaming King. And it was like it's interesting because at first it was like, oh, we need to be cautious, we need to be careful about her, and she's like I'm going to make more chaos, all this is too boring. And it was like, oh, we need to be cautious, we need to be careful about her. And she's like I'm going to make more chaos, all this is too boring. And it's like, realistically, no, she was going to bring peace. Have a quick callback to two more things.
Speaker 1:I'm going to hit her with same line. Rocket Raccoon hit the High Evolutionary and Guardians of the Galaxy, volume 3. You didn't want to make things perfect, you, volume 3. You didn't want to make things perfect, you just hated the way things are, exactly.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and Jojo pop up, girls Same thing.
Speaker 1:Did you really want to rule over the demon realm, or did you just hate the fact that it was under Gomo's rules? Nah, nah, we can find someone better than him. You know, Once again, Once again. Crazy enough.
Speaker 2:Gomo's rules were like nah, nah we can't even find someone better than him, you know.
Speaker 1:Once again, once again. Crazy enough. Majin Ku, I'm like I want to believe he can actually do a good job, like even they were like you know, he might actually do it.
Speaker 2:Neville was like he might actually be a good candidate, this might actually work. And yeah, when you mentioned about how intelligent he was, it was crazy, because understanding when you're fighting the Togami is the fact that only fighting them is only step one. Step two is you have to prove yourself in some form or fashion of knowledge and stuff. It's like, oh great, you can fight, but we're not going to give these balls to a dumb person. Yeah, you need to have some level of intellect.
Speaker 1:A king isn't just strong, he gotta be a little smart too. He don't have to be the smartest person in the room, but he gotta have brains.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. So it's like you finally get a chance to shine again, Because when he was able to calculate all those numbers instantly, dude, it was too much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just noticed him. He was just staring.
Speaker 2:I'm like oh yeah, no, he keeping up with this shit and I already knew she knew something was up. She was like it's interesting, but she didn't know exactly that he was the one that gave the answer to do it first. She was just like who are you doing something? Something seems a little different with you, so you may not have adhered to as much strength as what I would like you to have, but definitely you got the um, definitely got that um knowledge on deck. I mean, considering the fact that dude's flying straight towards gold. He has a giant book in his hand. He's like and you get, look, call back to yajirobe, who wound up saving goku. Literally almost the exact same scene. Crazy enough, giant ape crazy enough.
Speaker 1:I dare say that aren't. Suit was treating majin ku the way goku was treating gohan, to where he was kind of expecting gohan to be a fighter, uh goku, but uh gohan's more like an intellectual. So he should have like focused more on Gohan being intellectual than a fighter, and that's how Arisu should have. Well, I understand if she didn't know at first, because you know Majin Kud, he was like born like yesterday, literally like hours ago, so like I mean not hours, but like you know it was a matter of days, apparently in the demon realm. So it's like he was only born like not too long ago. So like you kind of like get to know him but surprisingly enough, he may not be all that strong, but he is super smart. So it's like OK, well, you may not have been as useful as I thought you would, but you are still useful.
Speaker 2:And then look at that progress from being useful and being a tool to being the actual king.
Speaker 1:No, I love how people were like projecting him to be totally useless, like a gag character. But I stood at, I looked at his design. I was like he does look like someone that you would depict as a gag character. But if I learn anything from watching One Punch man, sometimes a gag character is like. I'm going to keep my eye on you.
Speaker 2:Look, I'll be honest, I was upset at first, all the way up until when he did the number calculation. By that point I was like hold on, I can see how he's going to be useful, I can see what he's about to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Dew is the actual fighter, but Ku no, he's the brains.
Speaker 2:And they work so well together. It's like siblings. You don't see that happen with siblings. Yeah, I'm going to let you handle the fights and I'm going to handle the intelligence stuff. Go ahead, we got this, but um, at first I did, I hated Ku and Du and now, as the series ends, I'm like these are some awesome characters.
Speaker 1:At least decent dudes.
Speaker 2:I'm like, okay, give them a chance, give them a chance. So, yeah, definitely not too much into them. Uh, I did like that. We got a little bit of world building as well, for, like, demon, demon, world three is the lower ranks. Everyone is just like fighting each other.
Speaker 2:And we have this one guy who's like I want to unite everyone because I'm tired of all the fighting, I'm tired of things happening, and at first we was rooting the fact that this dude was going to be the next demon king. Like I want to unite everyone because I'm tired of all the fighting, I'm tired of things happening, and at first we was rooting the fact that this dude was going to be the next Demon King. He was like he's going to be the next Supreme Demon King. He's the Demon King of three and clearly he has good intentions. This is probably what's going to wind up happening is him being the next Supreme Demon King, and it's not what happened. But he managed to become like a high minister. So I was like that's really good. I did like we get a chance to see into that. I just didn't like Pansy. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1:I didn't like Pan and GT either. I mean like he was just kind of there so I'm like whatever.
Speaker 2:I don't blame you, I just like why.
Speaker 1:I guess, if anything, it's like she's just a connect for Kadan to use his connects to get them planes and shit. So I'm like, okay, I can kind of see the connection, but outside of that she's just there like Bowman and Dragon Ball hold on, to be fair, bowman was more useful with the capsules and that's the thing.
Speaker 2:Bowman's useful because she created it, pansy, just because she could just get it but that's what I'm saying like at least with bowman, like she could still, like finagle, like macgyver, some you know like, but so yeah, and then, like pansy did the same thing with the planes, it's like it feels more of you're only youthful when you're actually youthful, when I feel the use for you no no, it's to me.
Speaker 2:It's a trope that I'm not really liking. I'm seeing it a lot and it's one of the few things that I praise jujutsu kaisen about. I've been y'all listen to our views. You know how I feel about jujutsu Kaisen about. I've been y'all listen to our reviews. You know how I feel about Jujutsu Kaisen. I'm happy about that.
Speaker 1:But, like it's still good to me. We still need to prepare for our review on the colon game and the final showdown. We're gonna get to it. Yeah, we do.
Speaker 2:We're gonna get to that, but it's one of those ones that I like that we had a female character who was more useful than just what I can provide the backup I can provide. She provides backup, but she can also get up there and fight and handle stuff herself too. She's not stuck to be reliant. I like diversity. If you're going to have people in the group, everybody's useful in their form and fashion. Everybody's able to. I like the ones where they're able to stand themselves but also be useful as a group altogether.
Speaker 2:One of the reasons I really love One Piece there's not one character there that's completely useless now and I specify now because that's part of the character's growth is that one character that was supposed to be useless and then became useful. So it was kind of just that point into it. I like seeing that trope. Everybody gets their own highlight. You know I used to get a whole lot of slack before liking Vegeta. It was like oh, vegeta's your favorite Dragon Ball Z character, not Goku. Yeah, I like Vegeta more, I just liked him more. And look at it now, type of thing.
Speaker 1:It's like y'all are looking at at a surface level, but no, I'm looking at a more deeper, more thematic level.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly. So yeah, the biggest thing for me is that I would really like to get more for Pansy. That final thing about the eyes is just a gag.
Speaker 1:It's just a gag ending, and that's why yeah, but I just thought it was real funny. But I was like whoa, hold the fuck on. Like I mean typical toriyama gag. But still, though that was like dog, like I would if I was goma, I would be so heated, that's just the main thing right there. Like imagine if goma found out, hold on, you mean to tell me I could have just bought one of these things?
Speaker 2:They could have bought two.
Speaker 1:Imagine that.
Speaker 2:Imagine you pop one off. Oh, it's okay. I got a second one, bro, but no, it's insane. Plus also.
Speaker 1:That one episode of spongebob with uh squidward in the clocks and like uh, they keep popping out of his head. You know, like just that part.
Speaker 2:Look, you say, if he was gonna be mad, if I was deborah, I'd be mad you know, yeah, because to get that third eye from his dad literally went through this whole strategy to get his dad away from it just long enough to someone to go steal it and that dude was found with it and then got killed all of this stuff to find out. Oh, I could just went and bought another one. That's one of the most hurtful gags out there. Dang, okay, hurt my feelings, but I do also like how they kind of chill out at the very end. They're just like okay, you're going to be stuck in there for a thousand years.
Speaker 1:Poetically ironic, because it's almost like saying see, that was a yip, because you're a king that's ignorant to its own people.
Speaker 2:This is true, very true, very true, very true. And so it's like but I mean they got 99 years of doing nothing but playing video games together. I don't know, I'm kind of jealous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like that doesn't feel like a punishment.
Speaker 2:Think about it here. It's nice this guy's got entertainment and games and stuff like that. I mean, especially when you consider demons.
Speaker 1:Where it's like typical for demons to live, like For centuries. So it's it kind of feels like they're chilling in the Hyperbolic time chamber for like what Like a month, like three months time In the outside world, and that's like what Almost a hundred years in there. So I'm like, yeah, we'll be on like three months time in the outside world and that's like what almost 100 years in there.
Speaker 2:So I'm like yeah, we'll be on like three months. Yeah, this is that gonna happen, like curious type of thing. But then again I mean, you're supposed to go crazy if you're not bought time trip that long. So there's that. By the way, no, it's not a punishment, but then it makes. I guess it makes sense to not be a punishment because it's their demons. So you're just like we're going to punish you for kidnapping and trying to take over the world. I mean, I'm a demon, that's what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. It reminds me of how I talked about when we finished the bleakest dream review. By the way, it's on Patreon. Now I don't know about putting up on spotify and whatnot, because, like bro, like when I try to upload the episode, I swear to god, uh, the system won the crash. Like, hey, bro, like he's doing too much, so I'm like, it's up on patreon. So check out our patreon if you want to hear the whole bleacher stream of you there. But, uh, that reminds me of when I was talking about Eisen, to where, okay, he finally got Detained and what not, and they were doing the sentencing and I'm like 10,000 years and I'm like, but for a storybook, does that even feel like a long time? For him? That feels like, eh, I'll be out in about a year. I mean, hey, that was a year of blood war. There you go that part.
Speaker 2:That part exactly. But no, the punishment just doesn't fit the crime per se. I don't know. I just think it's because of demons. I guess that's just what it is. I'm like I'm going to punish you for doing it badly. You got caught, that's what happened. But the fight scenes were immaculately fantastic. Absolutely enjoyed each fight scene from beginning to end, even the little joke one where Vegeta wound up beating up the little robbers. They got mad and stole the plane. Like you said, apparently, if you fight a demon, you win. You get your plane stolen because they mad.
Speaker 1:I want that petty bro.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's all about petty. That's going to be the excuse for everything at this point, just like, oh, it's like, why would you do this? I'm a demon.
Speaker 1:It's like imagine you getting bullied by someone in school. You finally beat up the bully and he makes your life worse. Because I can't believe you kicked my ass. I'm gonna make your life even worse now. I'm like bro.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, that's kind of what happens. You defend yourself and like how dare you defend? That's still a nonsense episode. Oh, excuse the fuck out of me. They sitting here bullying me, pushing me, they hitting me all the time Doing all this, but the minute I stand up for myself, oh, now we're all in trouble, really in trouble, because you retaliated. Oh so I'm supposed to just continue to let them do it? No, I don't even teach my kids to do that no you told someone, you told us what's teacher about, so you.
Speaker 1:So the moral of the story is Be a snitch, yeah.
Speaker 2:Look, handle it yourself, bro, do it yourself. Look, I'm just saying, obviously they hungry. Two piece and a fist biscuit Sounds about nice right now. I'm just saying, but no, and a fist biscuit sounds about nice right now. I'm just saying but no, I guess it's really. The show is great. The show, like I said, it's better than imagined. We didn't think it was going to be all this. It was like it wound up being it delivered and plus more, and it was like awesome. I'm happy that we got that, because clearly it could have turned worse. It clearly could have been awesome. I'm happy that we got that Because clearly it could have turned worse. It clearly could have been worse, and I'm happy it wasn't.
Speaker 1:I was just hoping that it wasn't too plot breaking. I mean, it didn't get too crazy with this shit as well.
Speaker 2:It's a whole gag series. This whole thing is a gag series with fan service.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I was saying with the lighthearted tone that I was getting from it. That's what I love about it. It was meant to where it's not supposed to be taken too seriously, kind of like with Dragon Ball. The whole thing was like, yeah, they're on their adventures and shit, but don't take this too seriously. We're going to have our little comedic moments and shit. So yeah, like, don't beat yourself over the little things. But then again, sometimes there's just like some glaring plot holes that needs to be addressed because we just can't let just everything slide. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like there's just something where I'm like hold on like why'd you do that there?
Speaker 2:so yeah, no, I did like so funny gags that happened, some of my favorite ones.
Speaker 1:No, never mind, never mind what it's a dumb. It's a dumb theory, but like I was thinking back to uh, the whole thing.
Speaker 1:No, no, hold on. Listen at the very beginning, when they were saying that, okay, deborah was the supreme demon king until Majibu ate him right. And then the implication is, if you beat the current supreme demon king, you become the king. So I just think it was kind of funny how, in hindsight, you mean to tell me that Majin Buu defeating Dabura, would that make him the new demon king? And if Goku was the one to defeat Majin Buu, does that make him a candidate?
Speaker 2:no, honestly, technically yeah, technically yeah.
Speaker 1:That's where I went.
Speaker 2:But they did break that. They did kind of help explain that, yeah, but they did say that.
Speaker 1:I think if they said that, oh well, you have to be like A descendant of the demon realm, otherwise it doesn't count. I'm like alright, well, no, it wasn't even. I'm like all right.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't even that. It was the fact that you had to accept it, because, remember, didn't who didn't? When he didn't know to accept it, he didn't get the cloak and everything which the cloak is, the crown. That's pretty cool, though. Yeah, he didn't get the cloak until he's like I accept, and all of a sudden it magically popped up to him.
Speaker 1:It was like oh boom, look at that oh so basically terms of condensation, like the soul level type oh congratulations, you're the supreme demon king.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you never got the notification. Imagine you beat the final boss, you got this super special item, but you locked out the game and never locked back in again and never knew. Wow.
Speaker 1:Long end.
Speaker 2:Hey, you won the super awesome, super supreme item. He was like, oh wow, I guess I should have stayed playing this game. But no, some of my favorite games hold on what's in?
Speaker 1:what's one of those assassin's creed games where, like you, 100% complete the game and all you get is this cape. That's what it feels like.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, not Brotherhood, no, it's the Ezio Collection. It's the first one, assassin's Creed 2. Yeah, it was the second one, you get his family crest cape, but as soon as you wear it it instantly makes you a target, because they thought they killed Every one of that family.
Speaker 1:And isn't that funny that you're saying that, considering the plot of Diamond, everybody's out To get the supreme demon king. Once you become the king, people are going to be gunning for you now.
Speaker 2:Pretty much, that's pretty much what it is. You're like okay, supreme demon king. Once you become the king, like, oh well, people gonna be gunning for you. Now, pretty much that's. That's pretty much what it is. Yeah, you're like okay, I guess this is what I'm having to deal with, dude oh man, yeah I think. No, I'm saying some of my favorite gags I was trying to think about with my favorite favorite gags in the show. First thing is the bugs. The bugs was funny.
Speaker 1:I like how we got a chance to get them. I love how, at the end, where they went to the shop and was like, oh, y'all like this shit. I'm like what the fuck? Oh, yeah, you know they're pretty interesting. You got the Medibuzz, the Stamina Buzz, the View Buzz and you know. These buzz kind of help you use a little Hold on. That's all you had to say. Give me like a whole barrel.
Speaker 2:That's like all of them. This one was age of your skin, backwards by 10 years. Age of my skin backwards by 10 years.
Speaker 1:That's all you had to say. Let me buy a whole inventory, that part. That's all you had to say. Let me buy a whole, let me buy your whole inventory. I got that Tony Stark money.
Speaker 2:I got it, I'm good for it. Nah, nah, you already shouted out Rap, so petty bruh. Anime awards, paper chase awards Nah, bruh, don't sleep on the briefs. Money, bro. You got money to supply everything you can supply aliens from other planets and stuff. They come to her and she's like I got your money too and you're like wait what, you got our money too, cause I got it the intergalactic bank of.
Speaker 2:Bulma that part it's insane to understand how stinking rich she really is. The Intergalactic Bank of Oklahoma that part. It's insane to understand how stinking rich she really is.
Speaker 1:Hey yo, for real, though that would be like a boss move, like the brief band decided to make a whole chain of banks across the whole universe. Hey yo, that's actually smart money right there, because you have currency from not just every country and on Earth, but also Wow.
Speaker 2:Want to know something crazy. I bet if the sweepers knew that Vegeta was a brief because he's married into the family, they would have left them alone because they'd be like oh, hold on a second, your wife owns my bank money. Goku, we're going to fight you, but we're not going to fight him. We got to leave him Wait hold on.
Speaker 1:Don't the brief bank own your home and shit Like? Don't you have car payment? Oh no, no, you know we move on. I don't want to repossess my shit.
Speaker 2:They're like oh dang, hold on. I still got that loan when I apply for that license. Bro, oh dang, hold on. Yeah, I can't do that yet. I can't do that yet.
Speaker 1:Damn my whole wardrobe is capsule cord that part. Damn how you gonna beef with the person that funds your whole lifestyle.
Speaker 2:Hmm, bruh, just like you said in the paper chase award, she's like hold on a second. Don't forget I'm the one that hosted this event. All their paychecks is written by me. They know who's the winner's gonna be.
Speaker 1:See, y'all can say whatever y'all want about Vegeta taking all those L's, but kind of with Krillin and Android 18, like, look, vegeta's married to Bulma, he stay winning, he do stay winning for real.
Speaker 2:Oh man, they didn't come to fight out too it. They're like hmm, you're not taking no bath time together. No more, hold on a second man.
Speaker 1:Ooh Nah, you don't understand, like her mama, the way she stay young, the way she is, I'm like I'm thinking long game, like.
Speaker 2:Dude. It makes more sense why it is. Vegeta hit that my boma when Beerus had slept. It was like my bathtub, my boma.
Speaker 1:I'm like bro, because Boma is like one of those One in a billion type women Like I can't just replace that.
Speaker 2:There's no second chance, bro. This is it. This is where we at.
Speaker 1:When Majin Buu threatened to destroy the world and it's like, oh no, my stuff is there, I was like, what about your wife and child? I said my stuff because genetically that's true, because Poma owns everything.
Speaker 2:I can't. No, this is real capitalism right there. You'd be like, oh, the king of the world is a dog. Yeah, he's a dog. The real king of the world is the priest no, no, like you understand.
Speaker 1:like those political branches no, no, no. The ol, the runners, the briefs no, no, like you understand, like those political branches, no, no, no, the oligarchies, the oligarchies really own the plan. You know the corporations. So, like you're thinking like, oh no, no, no, it's the people that own the banks that really run to work. Y'all, we just let y'all more like representatives. Y'all are more like Representatives. Y'all are the face of what we got going on here. Y'all take the hits While we just operate in the shadows. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Let me stop before.
Speaker 1:Somebody come at me Like Shut, the fuck up.
Speaker 2:We speaking too much, you right. Look, I ain't got too much else I want to say on diamond. This is a great show. Uh, definitely highly encourage watching it if you haven't. If you have it it's very interesting that you listen to us like spoil it for you, but still a very great show. Um, it's a I.
Speaker 2:I think of it as just a one-off sequel. There's a one-off series like I, I don't. I don't want them to tie in the super. They say that it is, but they have not obviously not really done that yet to me. I think it's very similar to legend of zelda's franchise right now, like how they did with the newest tears, the kingdom and breath of the wild, how originally they said they were in the timeline but they finally just broke it off and said no, it's just its own separate story, because it was entirely too complicated to try to really make it fit. And they just like no, it's its own story and they just left it at that. So it was like no longer is that part of the new Zelda timeline. It's actually now technically its own separate thing by itself of like A what if scenario and it's like that's fine, I'm fine with that, just let it be.
Speaker 2:This is me Personally.
Speaker 1:Gotcha. Yeah, like if we do get Season two of Daima, that'd be great, that'd be cool, like Real question is what would be the plot? What would be the Reason why we need to Get the game together for them to be More plot? What would be the reason why we need to get the game together For them to be more shenanigans In the demon realm?
Speaker 2:Let's talk his thing. How is this all powerful Eye like this that just constantly Gives whatever is where Infinite lives, constantly Reheals it? Keep in mind the eye spoke at one point. I did not forget that the eye was angry. How dare you think that you can fight me? I'm like that was a Goma's voice. That was a whole different person that they had. Do that voice. I'm like the eye spoke. But what gets me is the fact that how is it that it can heal its wear an infinite amount of times but it gets stepped on one time and it's just gone and it can't rehearse maybe you look no no, I'm trying
Speaker 1:to think I can't maybe it's kind of like a kind of symbiote suit log, you know, like from spider-man, where it's like, yeah, yeah, together they're formidable, but separated from the host body it's not that much of a threat, you just contain it. It's like I don't know.
Speaker 2:Was it a Medibug? Was it a parasite? That's how it instilled itself in your body. Wouldn't that be crazy?
Speaker 1:A third eye is just a really, really potent medibuds where it's like it's like the ultimate multivitamin that you need to overthrow the whole demon realm, like, get it now for 49.99 you know, you know it would be great and I kind of I want to end, I want I'm ending my side onto this one.
Speaker 2:First, I'm going to say this you gave it 8 out of 10 rating. I agree, I stick with 8 out of 10 too. Yeah, I'm in on that the second season storyline Would be. Tien's clan Is where the third eye originated from.
Speaker 1:Okay Tien Xiaosu. Maybe Yamcha is where the third eye originated from. Okay Tien Xiaosu. Maybe Yamcha get a redemption or something I don't know. Maybe not Yamcha.
Speaker 2:He was held constantly for being a demon because of that and he just never unlocked his real potential as far as what the power of the eye gives him. I'm just saying'll be something.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, like something to where, like, okay, make the side characters more relevant again, because it kind of break it. It is kind of crazy how like they do get like cast aside, like kind of like how you said about pansy, like that's kind of how. It is kind of crazy how like they do get like cast aside, like kind of like how you said about pansy, like that's kind of how it is with the z fighters at this point. Well, the rest of them to where it's like, and well, you know, um, sometimes they're there and maybe they'll do something useful for once, but then it's like okay, you served your purpose. Now Go ahead and fade into obscurity now. So I'm like nah, come on. Though If you're especially a fan of Dragon Ball, I'm like nah, come on. Don't do them dirty like that. They mattered a lot in Dragon Ball. I kind of like, come on, let's give them the shine Y'all did for Krillin.
Speaker 2:Like come on give Tien and Ch the shot again, true, true, I just think that'd be really dope. That might work out. I can see that particular scenario kind of working out a little bit, or even just it being the sacrificial, like going back to Hunter Hunter. You know, stealing the eyes Makes them more powerful per se. They're kind of Hard to get get. I'm pretty sure they are. If you know, tn's entire clan is gone and tn showed up. Hey, I can get another eye. Don't see that right there. Dude, built a story right there. Oh yeah, but I just want to end off on that note. I'm going to break the fourth wall. I have a strange feeling right now. I feel as if somebody who's listening to this is saying that's exactly what I thought and I want you to know. I hear you. I hear you, whoever you are. Thank you so much for listening and I appreciate you?
Speaker 1:alright, y'all, we're going to go ahead and zone out of here, so have yourself a good morning, good afternoon and good night, but ultimately you take it easy.
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