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Transformers (Movie Collection): From Action Movie Junk Food to Fans Eating Good
The podcast delves deep into the Transformers cinematic universe, focusing on the early Michael Bay films and the more recent revivals with Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts. Each movie is analyzed in terms of character development, storytelling, and the unique dynamics between human characters and their robotic counterparts. Discussions unveil the inconsistencies within the series while celebrating the nostalgic elements that shaped fans' childhoods. The episode concludes with a reflection on the evolving narrative and its roots in emotional engagement for audiences.
• Discussion on the Michael Bay films and their impact
• Analysis of character arcs, particularly Sam Witwicky and Kade Yeager
• Exploration of female representation within the series
• Insights into the vibrant action scenes that captivate audiences
• Critical views on Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts as revitalizing entries
• Evolving themes of friendship, loyalty, and heroism showcased in the newer films
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Welcome to the Zone Podcast for Nerdy News and Reviews. I'm Jeff Blackestream, and today's topic is the Transformers movies. Joining me is Kofi Gatsu. As we're going to start it off with the Michael Bay movies, this means that we're going to be covering the first one. Then there was Revenge of the Fallen, then Dark of the Moon, then there was Aid to Extinction and last is Last Night. As for Bumblebee, rise of the Beast and Transformers 1, we're gonna save that for part two of this review, but let's just go ahead and talk about these five, because these are the five that I'm the most familiar with. So, with that being said, let's just go ahead and talk about these five, because these are the five that I'm the most familiar with. So, with that being said, let's just go ahead and roll in on it. So, with the first Transformers movie what was it called? Again, it was just Transformers, that was it.
Speaker 2:It was just Transformers. Not even Transformers the movie, it was just Transformers Boom. It was our introduction to where Hasbro was like hey, we finally made a movie about this series that's been out since the 80s, y'all read the comics, y'all bought the toys. We finally made a movie about it and we got Shia LaBeouf in here, which you know we were super excited about. A lot of people were super excited about because by the time when Shia LaBeouf was super famous at the time from Disney.
Speaker 1:So we was like, hey, I remember him and you know see, that's the thing, Now that you, I was going to wait until later, but now that you brought that up early, listen, if you're like me or Koki Gatsu or anybody that grew up on the golden age of Disney Channel where we had even Stevens and you remember Louis Stevens, you fucking remember Louis Stevens, especially from the movie where I'm like bro, like my favorite most lewis moment was from that movie. When they got um, they were getting punked and on the island and shit, and uh, they were pretty much like splitting up because you know they're like arguing and shit. You know the whole plot of the movie and ren was like, well, you can go sleep in the rain tonight and he goes, we can and we will, and I'm like that moment lived in my head for three through the day, as you can tell. But here's my thing. I kind of wish I had that energy in this. See, here's the thing. I kind of wish Taya had that energy in this. See, here's the thing.
Speaker 1:The best part about Sam Witwicky in this film is that he has little smart remarks. He can be kind of funny when he wants to be, but outside of that he sounds like he always got a chip on his shoulder, which is kind of ironic, because you know those people where it's like they act like they got a chip on their shoulder and yet they're from a seemingly middle class or upper middle class family. I mean they're like oh, you know, I don't have any friends. The girl that like me, don't like me, my life sucks. No, I'm like bro. Like first of all, you live in a nice house, you had like two hot girlfriends, uh, you have like at least one friend. But then again, like every time you have that one friend, it's like why are you even here like, other than just be like, uh, comic relief or some shit, uh outside there, like bro, why are you bugging?
Speaker 1:That's the main thing with sam. It's like half the time he gets bugging for no reason, but other half it's like, okay, he's all right. Sometimes I just kind of wish we had more of that Louis Stevens energy at the right moments. But outside of that it just kind of felt like he was kind of trying to move away from his even Stevens days where he went, even Stevens days where he went. You know how some actors want to have More serious roles, like how, say, daniel Radcliffe Want to move away from being Known as Harry Potter, or Like, say, robert Pattinson, want to move Away from being Edward Cullen. You know like they don't want To be stuck as that one role.
Speaker 2:I get that, but you mean like Jaleel White, who will forever Be known as Urkel, no matter what, and he's been trying to get away from that persona for ages no, crazy enough, like if you really know Jaleel White, you also know that he's Sonic the Hedgehog too. So yeah, exactly yeah, but it's just one of those things I'm like most people just really when they, as soon as they hear oh Urkel, even people who have never really seen Family Matters all of a sudden just like oh.
Speaker 1:Urkel, y'all told me y'all never seen who Made the Potato Salad. Look, that movie was not that great I mean it wasn't that good, but it's like it was kind of funny. I was like that was the one movie where okay, he had one other, he did other things okay.
Speaker 2:I don't think there's not very many black movies that make me cringe. I love my black movies that made me cringe.
Speaker 1:Not gonna lie to you bro, it's one of those ones like I mean, yeah, some moments were kind of cringe but I mean, think about this at least.
Speaker 2:Look. Okay, we're not doing a full review, so I'm only gonna say it. It was as if it was trying to mimic norbit, but it's not norbit yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1:Anyways, back to Transformers. Yes, Shia LaBeouf is Sam Witwicky, a teenager getting caught up in this war between the Autobots and the Decepticons. And the Autobots intend on retrieving the AllSpark and the Decepticons want to have it and intend to build up this army to attack back the world by giving life to the machines of Earth. So in in other words, it's like they're just trying to take it um back on cybertron by their own means. But here's the funny thing about that how actually no because I know some reviewers were thinking like how?
Speaker 1:come they're just called just transform all that. Hold on back, the fuck up. If you know transformers, they're called cybertronians because they even say so in the movie. They're from cybertron, so that makes them cybertronians, not transformers. That's just the namesake for the franchise, okay is what is what humans call them?
Speaker 2:because of what they can do.
Speaker 1:I know, but like it's just wild how reviewers you know like from the audience point of view would be like oh so they're just called the Transformers. No, they're Cybertronians. You should know that they call them Transformers because they are in a fictional world where they don't know shit about Cybertron. It makes sense for the character, the human characters in the film to not know what Cybertronians are, but you as an audience member should know.
Speaker 2:I guess only if you're a fan. Keep in mind on this, most of the people. What wound up happening is the same thing as what happened for the MCU as well too. A lot of fans did not know they went because of their kids. It was like, oh, my kids love this show, so we're gonna go watch it.
Speaker 2:They're not like with us was like we were the ones that was like, oh, I would love to go watch it. Or even like, uh, like my brothers, for instance, who were like 10 years older than me, they grew up watching 80s movies to 80s tv shows and stuff. So for them, yeah, when they went to watch, it was because they were fans of it. But a lot of other people it was mostly from oh, they have transformers tv series on nickelodeon, my kids love watching that. They made a movie, I'm gonna take my kids to it. Then that's how kind of they wound up getting into it. It's kind of like through their kids. So some people knew absolutely nothing about it going into it. Same with Captain America. Some people knew of Captain America, they knew of Steve Rogers, but they didn't know Steve Rogers, like that.
Speaker 1:Fair enough. Yeah, it's like okay, well, if you're more of a casual fan, I'll give you some grace, but if anything, it's like you could have always went back and like did the research, and be like oh, they're called Cybertronians, like if you're an adult and like I don't know, I don't know, I got you.
Speaker 2:I can only just say, at least into that general aspect, I still, you know, for me, I am a firm believer of you need to know what it is that you're going to have your kids watch before you go watch it. Yeah, just saying so. At least that way, in that particular regard, yeah, they should have some type of knowledge into it. But yeah, no, I understand what you mean as far as, like some of the other reviewers, some of those reviewers that you are talking about, they really should know, because some of them I remember seeing one guy actually say that he grew up watching the transformer series and even if he decided to make that point of saying, like they should at least call them cybertronians or something like that, or even cybertrons, if you can't get it right, or something similar, but they just call them transformers, we would be fine as that, but there was no real mentioning into it. So so I can understand your point. It's like you sound like you're not knowledgeable.
Speaker 1:It's a thing, it's like it's. They get a pass from the first movie because you know, introducing the Autobots and Decepticons Okay, fair enough. By the third movie, I will understand if a certain number of people know about them being called Cybertronians. But by the fourth and fifth move, where they were like practically trying to clone the Cybertronians, it was like the fact that they called the fucking. I know well, we're talking about all the Michael Bay moves anyway.
Speaker 1:So in the fourth one yes, really, really, I'm not gonna lie that was a the fourth one.
Speaker 2:Transformium yes, Really, Really, I'm not gonna lie, that was a big pet peeve of mine too. I was like the metal. It's literally called Cybertronium, Like it actually has a name in the series.
Speaker 1:It's like y'all dead, jim Nah. Like why should I even be surprised when they were trying to clone Optimus Prime, but keep turning out Megatron? Well, that's what you get. When you're trying to take Megatron's fucking Cybertronium and you're trying to clone that, oh well, you keep cloning out Megatron. Well, no fucking duh.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, yeah, I fully agree with you on that. Fucking do it. Oh, my goodness, yeah, I fully agree with you on that. That was a big pet peeve of mine. You can't change what's already canon. No, no, it's like bro.
Speaker 2:Well, look, I guess, if we wind up starting from the first one, there is a lot of inconsistencies from the movies, um, that you want to have, that we have because of the fact that they weren't sure how well this was going to take off. This one was like, just like mcu, yeah, yeah, like they weren't sure what was about to happen into it. And the second movie, they pushed oh, they pushed heavily on that second movie. But I was like yo, what in the world? Like, I know I talked to you about this before, but it's like, for example, they're both rated pg-13 movies.
Speaker 2:Now, granted, the first movie is before 2000 I forgot to look it up but it's like 2010 is when they wound up making a big change about movie ratings. Before, it was a little bit more critical. It's a lot looser now, which is one of the reasons why there's so many movies that will have a PG-13 rating. And you're like, oh, it's probably not going to be that good. And you watch it and you're like they cussed a lot.
Speaker 2:There's a lot that's going on in this movie for it to still get a PG-13 rating, and it's because they changed it to still get a PG-13 rating. And it's because they changed it to only one curse word, the F word. That's it. It's just that one, and it's like you can say that up to like three times. As soon as it says a fourth time, it automatically gets slapped with an R rating. Otherwise, they did kind of also make changes in pushing some suggestive themes. You can have a lot of suggestive themes like alcoholism, drugs and things like that, even like partial nudity, and still get a PG-13 rating, which is still wild to me. But it's just one of those ones.
Speaker 1:That's just kind of how it is. Can we talk about how these movies? For some reason they come off low-key, racist, low-key, low-key, nokey, no, no, no, no, listen, because the reason I say low-key is because it's always that one racist joke, but it's almost like after that it's like okay, they kind of.
Speaker 2:it's almost like why look, look, the first movie, we'll say we had a little bit of diversity as far as some of the characters. After that they just started throwing random characters in. There. We have a random scotsman that's not even from scotland like how would you? Even fucking know how scotland even worked, like I think they even made a joke about that, Like why do you sound that way?
Speaker 1:Hey, what up? Tuck, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3:No, you gotta say my full name.
Speaker 2:No, what's up? Tuck, that's not like a whole lot of words.
Speaker 3:You gotta say the full name. It's important.
Speaker 2:No, alright, we Welcome. We've missed. I haven't spoken to you in quite some time.
Speaker 1:Man, it's nice to talk to you. I mean, this opportunity is not going by, professor Tuck Prime oh, you're not wrong.
Speaker 3:You know, I thought about it, dang like I was in the Decepticons, so I brought them together. You know, only I could do it, only I could do it. Only I could do it, only I could do it Only you could do it, only you.
Speaker 2:I like how we are already starting off with the nonsense.
Speaker 3:That's why I am Professor Tug, the Supreme Commander of Autobots and Decepticons. So we brought them together and now they are one, and we might change our name, but I ain't decided on a name yet.
Speaker 2:That probably explains why the movies haven't been doing this great we just talked about this. We did Cybertronians. We're being very accurate here, man. Come on Cybertronians.
Speaker 1:Yes, they're Cybertronians.
Speaker 2:Don't act like you. Don't act like you don't if you don't know that's crazy.
Speaker 3:That's a stupid name too whoa hold on a second hold on a second hold on a second, it don't like. It don't set a tone Like Optimus Prime, it don't Autobots Like Decepticons, bro, cybertronian.
Speaker 2:Yeah, optimus Prime is his name, optimus Prime is his name Cybertronian.
Speaker 3:Dude, I mean that might, but look we from earth and we are humans like. But earthlings, yeah I know when have we ever referred to ourselves as earthlings?
Speaker 2:look is think about it. Look, I'm gonna break it down like this so we can move forward, because I'm not gonna be honest with you. You already made me upset and I don't even know how you did that, but you already made me upset. Look, the cybertronians. Because they came from cybertron. There are multiple different types of cybertronians. You have the, the humanoid Cybertronians. You have the animal type Cybertronians. You have insect like Cybertronians.
Speaker 2:They're very much just like how it is on Earth. There's a whole reason for that. I'm not going to break that down until we get to the last night. Anyway, moving from that, they're all still called Cybertronians, but there's different factions for them as well. But there are different names for them as well. But there are different names for the humanoid Cybertronians as well too. There also are Cybertronian sapiens. Just like we're like homo sapiens, we're Earthlings, oh my God. Because we're just a human. We're the human form of Earthlings. So, yeah, we're humans. So there you go on to that. We can break down humans at a later time if you want to. We're homo sapiens. We killed all the other humans, so we're the only living humans, right?
Speaker 3:now you say we, you're not including me, right?
Speaker 1:No, I mean we, as in us.
Speaker 3:I'm not a human.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, You're the supreme commander, anyway, whatever.
Speaker 3:No, I wasn't born. I was sketched and created.
Speaker 1:To be fair, I think that was like a last night reference.
Speaker 2:I realized, like Prime, you said you weren't born, you were built, type thing Okay.
Speaker 1:Sketched and created. That was ages. Yeah, it was fourth month, definitely fourth.
Speaker 3:I was merely shaped by it oh my gosh anyway.
Speaker 2:But no, it's like the first transformers movie was pretty dope. Um, it was a great. I realized it was. I would say it definitely was a great introduction into things. It was one of those ones we weren't sure.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of inconsistencies where, especially considering the fact, like you said, we're focusing on michael bay movies because after last night, uh, once we get to like, even if we um got to rise of the beast which I know we're not talking as I'm not going to be able to talk as much onto it for this, uh, particular part, since this is part one, but like even for rise of the beast, part of the story for rise of the beast is that optimus and the autobots were on earth for a long time already, which would it make sense from the first movie, because in the first movie we watched optimus fall from the sky and his first, and then first uh, scan a truck and turn into you know who we know as optimus, prime with the red and blue.
Speaker 2:So it was like that wouldn't make sense. You can't say you've been on earth for a long time when clearly you have not been on earth for a long time. So that wouldn't make sense. So there is inconsistencies into it. A change of director does kind of mean to change a story and there's some things that's not going to be linear. So even when watching the movies and I binged them just so I could just put them all together there's a lot of inconsistencies that you will see as you go through the series. Honestly, it's mostly if you really want consistency, your best bet is to stick with the TV series.
Speaker 1:Can I talk about inconsistencies? Since we're going to talk about inconsistencies, can we talk about the controversy of why Megan Fox was only in the first two and then they had to change it out to the new chick in the third movie?
Speaker 2:Oh, you mean the whole. I'm so. I'm like I'm the biggest star of this movie. People come watch the movie specifically because they want to see me. That is true. That is how quickly and how quickly. There was like and she's like I need more. I'm demand much more money and she wanted more money than everybody.
Speaker 3:Keep my on this tyrese didn't get paid as much but tyrese yeah, she wanted more money.
Speaker 2:The main character yes, she did.
Speaker 1:It's called entitlement so so she did.
Speaker 2:She demanded to be the highest paid in that for the uh, for that series. It's like it's not going to do well when I leave. And sure enough was proven wrong because people still went to go see the third movie. In fact the third movie wanted grossing more than the first two movies.
Speaker 3:No, I wouldn't have went to see the if um optimus prime wasn't in it, but I mean he should have been the highest paid.
Speaker 1:So see, here's my thing though. Like between the two girls, like it's a funny thing with both girls. It was like they were kind of there. You know it was like the girl that he liked. You know, almost like obligatory female lead that needs to follow the main character around and like I'm not saying they didn't do anything, but for the most part just felt like they didn't do anything, that game changing.
Speaker 2:She didn't do anything at all. You don't have quickly there, but you know, literally the biggest thing into it is like you go through and you save the world twice. You go through the first movie, the second movie, you save the entire world and you're like we've done this, we've been together through this Matter of fact. The second movie, they had like a little mini breakup moment because of the situation that happened with a Transformer, with a Decepticon. I don't know why I had jumped, tuck, got me mad. I was like jump and transform no, the Cybertronian, I can't even say evil Cybertronian, because like Within the Fallen.
Speaker 2:Because the name it was Rise of the Fallen. Anyway, it was a Decepticon, a humanoid Decepticon that actually was the size of a human and transformed into a human. So even for that they had a little bit of a moment where they broke up a little bit because of issues there. They still got back together, they still saved the world together. Everything was great. Beginning of the third movie yeah, she just dumped you. I was just like, wow, I couldn't even write off her death. You could have at least said that she died in a, in a decepticon attack.
Speaker 1:You know it's crazy how you find out in the fifth movie last night that um, sam wick wicky just died off screen. Uh, in between, um, it was like yeah, no elaboration, just you know he died, but I'm like, damn, he died young though unfortunately that mean.
Speaker 2:Keep in mind how often that really would happen, like realistically, if we was living in a world where we had Cybertronians showing up. We live in a world of Autobots and Decepticons fighting all across the world it would kind of make sense. All it takes is just one little thing.
Speaker 1:I mean it makes sense, but damn though.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, Like it. It still feels bad, but at least he got like that excuse. Oh, he died. That's why he's not in the movie anymore. Dang, that kind of sucks type of thing oh, he's not like.
Speaker 1:Oh, you don't the main character like you know how um essentially like okay, I gotta give cosmonaut but right, our um for credit for this. I like the joke he made where, uh, the fifth girl, um, who, funny enough, the girl that um follows around kate yeager in the fifth movie? That's the same girl. That's like one of the girls from madame webb, anya. Uh, if you didn't see madame webb's, good for you, but anyways, uh, point being that this little girl was like tech savvy and he was like she was like everything Kate Yeager wanted his daughter to be. That's why his daughter in the fourth movie Wasn't in the fifth movie. It's almost like, for some reason written them all like we don't need you anymore, we're just gonna Do this new chick that's like More suited to Kate's needs, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean it happens, it happens, it happens. But yeah, no, like you said is uh, you got, she got like hot, she got a really high horse, just like people come to the movie just to see me look, ma'am, just because we got occasional shots of your body every now and again did not mean that that's what the main point of the matter is. Matter of fact, I think that's one of the reasons like the first three movies were my favorite, specifically because the focus was on the Cybertronians.
Speaker 1:It's like saying you're taking pride in the fact that Gooners show up to see.
Speaker 2:That part, ma'am, we have. There's a become an OnlyFans, have an OnlyFans account. There you go. People will pay you a lot of money to see that. Let's be fair. So there you go as far as into the movie I came to see, I came to watch giant robots fight each other exactly right, exactly, and I will say that's one of the things I like the most about the first three movies.
Speaker 2:The fourth movie, um, like age of extinction. That was one that I mostly was frustrated about because it was so much more focused on the people than it was for the actual Cybertronians, and it made me so upset about that because, like what was it? Like one scene in the movie towards the beginning, lockdown is hunting down Optimus and Optimus is trying to protect Wade and you know we finally got a new main character, of course, in Mark Wahlberg and so he's trying to protect Wade and during that moment we're watching them try to drive away and stuff. And we're panning out and just seeing in the corner over there, oh, lockdown is whooping, optimus is behind, and then we pan to another shot, we're focusing on the car chase and then again in the corner over there, whooping, optimus is behind, and then we pan to another shot, we're focusing on the car chase and then again in the corner over there, oh, optimus got a counterattack. And I'm like the first three movies we was watching, optimus was handling business. Every single time Optimus seemed like he was about to go down. He said I'm going down, I'm taking you with me the amount of watching Optimus just get triple teamed.
Speaker 2:In the second movie, rise to Fallen, you had Starscream, you had Megatron and I can't remember the other dude's name, but he got killed off pretty quickly but still showed up. All three of them jumped on Optimus. First off it was Megatron and Starscream and Optimus was handling business. Optimus was whooping their behinds like um, back it up, back it up. And then third dude shows up, optimus gets knocked. They're like all like starting to jump, like Jusukai's gonna jump on his behind. And then Optimus falls to the ground. He spits out some of his blood. He's like he said, all right, I'm gonna take all of y'all on. Pops out the double blades and just starts slicing and dicing like that was like bro, I went back and rewound it. I said him like this is the best three minutes of the whole movie, right here, like just straight up I got the double blades after the double blades was over exactly it was that.
Speaker 1:It was that scene for me in the second movie and it was also when he, fused with jet fight in the third movie, came flying in and was just cleaning up house on in the back, chicago, to where he was like cleaning cleveland through a motherfucker, like he got the fucking knuckles. They like fucking, like. Oh my god, just riff agent. Shit like riffing exactly I'm like god damn like.
Speaker 2:So keep in mind, on this, the first movie, we had a short scene like that too. But Optimus, he shows up. He's like let me show you why they call me Prime. Let me show you why I'm a Prime, bro, like that name isn't just because, oh, he's a leader, we're just going to call him Prime. No, let me show you why I'm a Prime. And boy, we're clean house Like no tomorrow. And I was like good lord. This man is like uh, uh, you thought, but you thought wrong.
Speaker 1:I don't disagree, I carry the team.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And so then we get to the fourth movie and I get it Lockdown. He's specialized to be able to take down anyone, so I understand that. But it's just we had moment scenes of watching Optimus just whoop these peoples behind Even in the third, even like the best thing that we have in the fourth movie with that for Optimus and we still didn't even get a chance to see it was when he was released to prisoners.
Speaker 2:The prisoners that transformed into dinosaurs, which was our big was released. The prisoners, the prisoners that transformed into dinosaurs, which was our big nod into rise of the beast. So we wound up getting the dinosaur uh, dinosaur prisoners that lockdown had. We wound up seeing optimus, you know, taking them on and we're taking one of them on and then mounting him. But as we're watching this fight, it keeps panning to the other two autobots just sitting there like huh, you know I'm going to stay at my behind over here. I can't do this Like no, I can't, I'm sitting here like I don't want to watch them that night talk to each other. They're not even talking about what's happened to fight. They're not even reacting like oh, that was a good hit or nothing like that, not doing any of that. They're just talking Get, get me back to watching Optimus handle business. That's what. The first three movies we had that and I was so, so disappointed in the fourth movie that we didn't have that at all. I was like, come on, he is known as Optimus Prime.
Speaker 1:let me see that am I the only one that feels like the movie are kind of better when there's that's the funny thing, it's like it's my thing. When it comes to the Sonic movies, live action movies, like, not gonna lie, they're kind of better when the characters that I'm here for is on screen, like when you're on Egg Tails, knuckles, shadow, I'm here for them. I'm not here for this human melodrama bullshit that they Shadow. I'm here for them. I'm not here for this Human, a little drama bullshit that they're doing. I'm sorry. Some of the actors like, okay, let me talk about the actors. Half of these actors Are really good, like um, toretto, um, fucking, you know, we have Tyrese, we have, um, some other folk, um, bernie Mac Was in the first one. Um, we got some pretty good Actors in the show, no doubt Half the time.
Speaker 1:I'm like okay, pretty good picks, john Malkovich in the third movie. We got some pretty good picks in some of these, but they always have some like why the fuck are you here? Like I said, with the friend character that Sam be hanging out with in these movies, I'm like, first of all, you're the main where I'm wondering why the you here, like the girl is more useful than you.
Speaker 1:They can oh yeah, when you say the friend, you mean the, um, the dude, for that he went to college with well, he had the that one friend from high school, um, with the blonde here, and then there was the other dude from college, yeah, so there was like two of them.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, how they keep replacing them because they never move to the next movie. Yeah, they feel so useless.
Speaker 1:Different person, same deal Like. You're still useless. You're just there just to fill a role.
Speaker 2:I mean I liked in the second movie where dude was so aggravating that he got like tased and he's like, he's like we was gonna deal with that all day. He said I did y'all the favor. I'm like yes, you did. Uh, the parents half the time, they're half the time they're annoying as hell. Half no, honestly, yeah, I didn't like the appearances.
Speaker 1:I agree with you there. Like it's almost like I can I would say 75%. They were annoying, but it's like that one 24% I kind of gloss over, but it's like okay, why, why even go there? I don't know. It's almost like they were trying too hard To be funny. I just felt like they were trying too hard to be funny. I just felt like they were trying too hard to be funny.
Speaker 2:Parents like yeah, like the mom especially the dad was better, I like the dad better there was one scene and I can't remember if it was the second or, like I will say, there was one scene in oh man, I can't remember if it's the second or third one, I think it was the third. No, it was the second movie because, like, he went to college and they were traveling, because it was after travel, um, it was when they first traveled, I guess they were like in france or something, and we had a scene where the parents are eating food and the mom's commenting how much she dislikes it, and it is literally absolutely pointless. It's literally absolutely pointless Because there is no reason to have this scene there. There's no action happening in the background, it doesn't pertain to the story whatsoever, because then, all of a sudden, the parents wind up in Egypt and it's like what was the whole point of this.
Speaker 1:What the fuck we doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like what was the point? It was the most useless scene in the movie and it interrupted the action. We was watching action pan out and then it would cut to oh, we're going to try out this food and stuff, like that. And I'm like, okay, the only importance that that scene would have had was um. Was it shockwave, the one that took over the satellite? I can't remember exactly. I think it was shockwave um who had the satellite and he tried to call the parents. Well, he tried to call the mom's um phone to try to see if he could find out where sam was at, and so when they had called, that was probably the only important scene. Okay, we saw that panned away from it and then we panned back to her trying food again. I'm like, wait, what, what, why are we doing that? Like what, why are we doing this? Then we've already seen their importance. They tried to call, they didn't get in touch, they didn't get kidnapped yet they didn't get kidnapped until after that. So it's like what, what is happening right now?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like that's what I'm saying. Half the time with these characters it's like, why are you here? And then you have characters like Stanley Tucci's character. He played two different characters, but he shows up and I'm like'm like, okay, he's a decent actor, I'm kind of expecting something like he. That's the thing it's like. Sometimes, even when the script is bad, you work with what you got. And I would say that stanley tucci was kind of carrying the later to michael bay movies. That's just in mind, oh yeah oh yeah, well, his whole thing.
Speaker 1:With the um you was recreating megatron and stuff like that, giving megatron a new body and can I also mention that one part where they were like while working on a better version of bumblebee is like stinger it's just like bumblebee, but better in every way bumblebee was so mad and keep in mind too is the fact that, like, what made what was made of hilarious is the end of that movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was the fourth one. At the end, towards the end of the movie, where they had that final standoff fight, stinker was actually beating bumblebee like he was. Stinger was actually beating bumblebee. That's the bad part about it. Bumblebee is on top of a two-headed pterodactyl, mechanical pterodactyl. You have aerial support, you're sitting here, you're not by yourself, and stinger was knocking bumblebee around a little bit. Bumblebee managed to get that w and at the end and was like huh, yeah, you can't beat the original, I'm not gonna lie. I was sitting here watching this and said nah, I'm not gonna lie, man. The director literally made it seem like Stinger was better than you. I'm not gonna lie, bumblebee man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it just sounded like a setup where like oh, yeah, like you. That was where like, oh, yeah, like you. That was just I'm sorry, I'm trying to play it to words, but I'm like that was dirty, like that was like plot convenience to where you set up stinger to have the advantage at first, just to make him seem like, okay, he's a formidable opponent. But outside of that I just feel like, uh, oh well, you know, since we got an upgrade from Megatron to Galvatron, we might as well tool around with an upgrade from Bumblebee, because you know, we kind of have to fix that whole thing to where he keeps talking, with only radio and songs and whatnot.
Speaker 2:But he talks sometimes, but it's just like are in songs and whatnot, but he talks sometimes but it's just like all right. Yeah, if I can mention this, since you mentioned galvatron you know we mentioned the name. We already talked about upgrades and stuff. The fourth move I am so upset that we did not get the proper galvatron. We should have gotten. The fans of the original transformer series you know the fact that Galvatron is an actual upgrade from Megatron. Megatron turned into like a starship cruiser but when he became Galvatron he was a tank and he had guns he took down people.
Speaker 1:I watched a lot of Transformers iterations if you want to call them that of Transformers iterations if you want to call them that, because you know there's like Transformers Armada, which is my favorite by far Transformers, aaron John and whatnot. And a common thing is, yes, megatron is going to be a thing in the beginning parts, but there's always some points where Megatron gets doomed or some shit to a point where, okay, he needs to take a backseat for a little while and then he comes back as Galvatron and I'm like, oh, he's an even bigger threat now that he's Galvatron. This one feels like a bastardization of Galvatron. In fact, I would say Sentinel Prime in the third one is a bastardization of Sentinel Prime. That we know. Because I'm like what? What motivation does Sentinel Prime have to betray the Autobots to work with the?
Speaker 2:It was a dumb reason. Literally, his reasoning was the fact that the Autobots were going to lose the war, so he made a deal to try to get them to try to work together temporarily, um, and it was supposed to just be pretty much. What wound up happening is is that it was very clear that he and megatron did not get along well. But there was one scene in the movie that I kind of appreciated. It did kind of help.
Speaker 2:Talk about Sentinel was Starscream had asked Megatron about hey, he said so, he's going to be your partner. And Megatron's like no, he's my biggest prize. So in Megatron's eyes he's like I won the battle by talking to him, by making him concede, but not realizing that no, sentinel was like Megatron, I'm using you, you think that I'm going to, you think that I'm gonna, you think I'm working with you. And then he made that very clear when they were on top of that um, I think it was a chicago building um, when they were on top of the building and he wound up like ripping out part of his head, he said I want to make sure I made this clear I don't work for you, you work for yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, like, as far as I remember, I was thinking, oh well, sentinel Prime, I remember him. Like he was um like Optimus mentor in a sense, where, yeah, he's gonna be on their side but then Turns out, oh well, he's just gonna betray them all. Uh, for the sake of Cybertron, I'm like, bro, like that was our, for the sake of cyber time, like, bro, like that was our plan the whole time. But it's more like you uh screwed us over just to do a plan that we planned on doing. But the whole thing was he wanted to um fuse excuse me, going on, uh got let tucked back in. Uh, he wanted to do the thing where he wanted to fuse cybertron and earth to uh preserve cybertron, but like that would have no, here's the crazy part how in the third movie they were trying to prevent Cybertron from being fused to the earth, and in the fifth movie Cybertron and earth get fused and they're like cool with it. So I'm sitting here like what's the point of the third movie?
Speaker 2:so the thing about it is. This is the fact that what the third movie was supposed to? It was just supposed to signify the change of the ties of battle between autobots and decepticons. Like every single time, it seemed like they was doing good, um, autobots was winning on earth, but then it just kept becoming a bigger problem and it's like no matter what. Things just keep becoming an issue. Things keep happening. We there's more decepticons, just keep in mind to this. There's no explanation for why there's so many decepticons and there's only so few autobots. The only thing that you could understand is that there's just that many more decepticons and autobots, or a bunch of autobots defected to the decepticons. But who I mean?
Speaker 2:The main point of the war is it's supposed to be both sides want to save Cybertron. Cybertron was already at a war, which was more so for Transformers. 1 explanation the planet was dying Same old Superman story. But what it is is that the Decepticons were the original rebels. Technically, optimus Prime and the Autobots used to be Decepticons until they defected from the Decepticons. So what it is is that Decepticons want to save the planet, but they want to save the planet at the cost of every other planet, so as much as they wind up pushing this agenda of, oh, they want absolute chaos and destruction of the entire universe. Not really, because megatron himself says like everything, megatron himself will try to push this whole, everything will be mine. Well, the thing about it is is that, in technicality is they never mentioned it as much into the story, but michael bay did kind of talk about it per se what was supposed to happen is that the Cube messed up Megatron.
Speaker 2:Megatron still wanted to save Cybertron. That's still his goal. But what happened is that he became more evil because of the Cube, because of the Matrix of Leadership. Not everyone can grab the Matrix of Leadership. We saw that proven in the first movie. I mean the second movie too. But not everyone can hold the Matrix of Leadership. The Matrix of Leadership has to be earned. You can't just pick it up. So it has a failsafe to prevent other people from getting it. What happened to Sam? It just disintegrated the dust. But what happened for Megatron? You could say its fail, fail safe is that it tapped into him and made him more evil per se. Megatron didn't used to be as cold and cruel as he was. He was still cruel, but it was to an end of trying to save Cybertron versus now.
Speaker 1:His is cruel to the point of I want to own everything, everything is owed to me, type of thing that's crazy, because that reminds me of I mean, I'm not saying that they're very similar, but it just reminds me to an extent of how we were doing the Attack on Titan review and how I was mentioning how Armin's dream I mean Eren's plan was a corruption of arm and stream and, in a sense, with the uh all spark, how, yes, uh, megatron one was best for cybertron, but in a way where I don't agree with the route you're going with it. But I understand that you're trying to do what's best for Cybertron, but I'm like I just don't approve of the method. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Pretty much, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I was thinking the opposite way, kind of. I was thinking of, like Harry Potter, how the Dursleys weren't necessarily as evil, they were just a little bit evil, but with Harry being a Horcrux as evil. They were just a little bit evil, but with Harry being a horcrux that made the evil spike, as we see with Ron when he put on the necklace.
Speaker 2:I can see an aspect too.
Speaker 1:Also, if not for the Dursleys, he would have been killed. I remember Lily put on that enchantment to where it protects of protects uh uh harry from being discovered early. So it was really a matter of the thursley was. You know, they could have been corrupted by uh harry being a whole cross, but at the same time it's because of the thursleys that harry uh was able to grow up to be the wizard that defeats Voldemort. So it's like kind of crazy, almost like a Cat 22 type of thing, it's like yeah, you had to deal with some.
Speaker 3:It built character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the thing, it's true, it built character for him, even though we're going to talk about it eventually. Anyways, it's like how I feel about Naruto at this point? It's like you know, as a Lord Forth's son, he deserves better than what he got.
Speaker 2:I guess he needs a character.
Speaker 2:Oh my god yes, but the thing about it is that it wound up almost getting dropped per se, because otherwise it wouldn't have made sense that Bumblebee when he got a hold to the cube he was able to help condense it down, and Bumblebee's not really leader. The closest that we would have had to it was in Optimus disappeared for the fourth movie. After he was hunted, his all spark got wound up, getting shut down. His spark wound up getting shut down temporarily, and so they mentioned that Bumblebee kind of took over as leader. But then they all made it very clear the fact that bumblebee was not the best leader and it's like bumblebee was never really meant to be the leadership potential. Just he was a great fighter. Hold on bumblebee.
Speaker 1:Can I talk about how? Once again, this is me watching the animated series, how I think bumblebee is supposed to be their version of hotshot and in that aspect I'm like, yeah, because I always knew hotshot to be that hot-headed uh attack first, ask questions later type of dude where I'm like, yeah, like I appreciate the initiative, but you're not thinking straight, like, you're not thinking strategically with your plans of attack. That's what I'm saying. Like uh, that's why I think like, and yeah, I can see bobby being like uh on the office, you know, like the front, on the front lines, but not in a leadership position you mean the fact that, uh, what was it?
Speaker 2:wade didn't like that his daughter that was dating that racer guy in the fourth movie and they were having like the lovey-dovey moment and like he was so way, was mad and optimist, was like, yeah, I went through the same thing with my I was gonna stay with this for later, if I need to talk about it now.
Speaker 1:I will never trust a dude. If I had a daughter, I would never trust any dude that she brings in my house saying that oh yeah, I'm like 19, 20 years old, but hold on my daughter's 16, what the fuck? And oh no, it's okay. See, I got this laminated card to explain that it's cool that we have relations. Oh hell, no, I don't even care if it's weak. Get the fuck out of my house you're not wrong.
Speaker 2:You're not wrong. But the craziest thing, the romeo and juliet law is real like after I watched that, I went and looked it up I was like this can't be real. No, it actually is real.
Speaker 1:It's literally no the fact that he had that ready laminate, ready to pull it out. Oh hell, no, get out of here. That tells me that you've been down this road before Get out.
Speaker 2:Get out. At this point I'm sitting here like, so you're telling me they made it legal in Texas to groom people, is that not what? We just went through a whole situation. Didn't we just go through this whole situation with the Flash? Didn't we just go through this whole situation with the flash? Yeah, like there's a whole legal sit that I'm like this is wait, wait a second, wait, wait a second, wait a second. No, no, no, and it's like we're waiting till she turns 18. You're waiting till the minute she turns 18. There's a number of celebrities that do this, a number of celebrities where, all of a sudden, they're like Nothing happened. Prime example, drake.
Speaker 1:It's been proven.
Speaker 2:It's been proven for him when, all of a sudden, he's cool with these girls Until they turn 18. Then, as soon as they turn 18. All of a sudden, he was like he waited. Of course he did. Of course he did.
Speaker 1:It's like you're making your JT. It's like there's this hidden agenda that you're making very obvious, like bro. It's almost like you're telling on yourself and at the same time, it's like I can already smell your intentions from a mile away, and I don't like it Exactly.
Speaker 2:And it's like like oh, my 18th birthday was so wild and crazy I bet it was because they waited till you turned 18. I'm like this is not slick.
Speaker 2:It's not slick this well, now that you're 18, there's something that you gotta try right, and it's like dude, what in the world are you serious right now? So it's like it was insane to me, like no, I fully agree with you on that. I saw I promised like that moment when I was watching that movie I was like no, this can't be real. And I looked it up and I said it's legal. Oh, no, no, no, we ain't doing this. Not at all, not at all. He deserved every punch in the face he got. Matter of fact, I'm going to put it this way in the fourth movie, the uncle, I was mad. I wasn't mad at the fact, he kind of deserved it when he got turned into Transformium. Good lord, anyway, he deserved it when he got turned into it. You knew I was going to say something.
Speaker 3:We had already talked about it, because the thing about it is this leaked by actual canonical things, he got turned into it. You knew I was going to say something.
Speaker 2:We had already talked about it, because the thing about it is this Leaked by actual canonical things, it's actually called Cybertronium. It already has a name. They only changed it for the movie.
Speaker 3:Which made no sense. Nah, fuck that, that's a stupid name.
Speaker 1:Nah, I'm like it just felt like y'all did not even bother trying calling it something else.
Speaker 2:They didn't. They didn't whatsoever. Now, one thing I also wanted to mention too. In the movies there's something that even my wife had noticed as well too. Have you noticed that progressively through the movies, as animation improved, all of the Transformers now look more human, sorry, look much more human, and stuff?
Speaker 1:I don't know about y'all, but I think I would have settled for Adaptive. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Honestly, even that. Yeah, I could probably see that, but you know it felt so cliche and lazy. But you notice how all the Transformers now look more humanoid as you progress through the movies, Like the first person that we saw, the first actual Transformer that just straight up looked human was Sentinel. Sentinel just straight up looked human. Then, when we got to the fourth movie, they rechanged Optimus in the middle of the movie. He looked how he looked in the previous two movies, the previous three movies, and then he re-scanned another truck, re-transformed himself, you know, fixed himself up again and then his whole body type just completely changed. His face became more human-like. So in actuality, they did that on Hasbro, actually did that on purpose in order to sell more products. So what happened is is that kids still love the transformers? But it was that moment of they figured people would appreciate transformers more if they looked more human, more human like it's just looking like more like giant robot, like gundams, it's like I am free square.
Speaker 1:uh, war machine had to go by iron patriotot because it was more of a family friendly brand to go by it's still canonical to the comic books, but yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's one of those ones that they purposely changed it up to make them look a little bit more. Keep in mind Optimus' mask was never a mask. That was his actual face. And then all of a sudden they made it a mask, where now he has a nose and a mouth and it. And then all of a sudden they made it a mask, where now he has a nose and a mouth, and it's like that's weird. Optimus didn't have a nose and mouth, but they did that because it was like oh, kids would probably appreciate it if they looked more humanoid.
Speaker 2:So this is where it backfired, because kids still like their toys to transform. They're transformers, right. They transform Autobots, iners, right, you know, they transform Autobots in disguise, robots in disguise. They transform into vehicles and stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, it became much more complicated in order to hide their humanoid faces when transforming them. So then the Transformer toys got cheaper. They had to make them more cheaply made to cover up for the humanoid faces. They had to make them more cheaply made to cover up for the humanoid phases, no-transcript. So now, when you look at the Transformer toys, now, if you go look at them, they look like the new Transformers one movie, or the Transformer the most recent Transformer TV series. That was on Nickelodeon where they made them. They made them look much simpler because it came too complicated so it wound up backfiring onto them for that moment. So that's a pretty interesting thing that I wanted to mention for the movies and I was like, huh, imagine that you made them look more humanoid. The fans that were actual transformers fans were upset about that. You hoped it would have made, made better toys, but it backfired on the toys because it couldn't make it the way they wanted to all right, let's go backwards and forwards in all the movies.
Speaker 3:First, I want to talk about Megan Fox. Fine, I just want to make that abundantly clear.
Speaker 2:It's true, but she's not the reason we went to watch the movie.
Speaker 3:I would have definitely helped her with that car too. I would have pulled over immediately.
Speaker 1:With her and the blonde. They definitely made the movies easier on the eyes, I guess.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, a little fan service never hurt nobody. But I want to ask you because I know you know off the top of your head Goku Gatsu, optimus Prime. Now, from what I remember from the lore, he was one of the last 13 Guardians, or something like that. Are we? From what I remember from the lore, he was one of the last 13 guardians, or something like that. Are we going to see any other Primes or is he the last Prime because all of them ancient and died off? Or are we going to get like a big fight with all the Primes and see all the Primes fight everybody?
Speaker 2:in the world. So look, here's the thing. I haven't seen Transformers 1, but I know that's a prequel movie If we're sticking with the Transformers lore based off of Rise of the Beast. Because Rise of the Beast had a, I'll go ahead and mention it now has a nod at the end of the movie after credits, where Hasbro wants to make pretty much their own Avengers-type movie. So so far we know they're trying to work on something where the Transformers and the cast from NGI Joe are all going to be in the same movie together, working together for a big threat per se. So they're trying to make them all into the same universe. As far as any other primes no, we're not supposed to Just keep in mind onto this the Fallen made it known that he killed all of the original primes.
Speaker 2:Then you have the knights that are built primes, sentinel, and they didn't really talk about it in the movie. They kind of just try to cover it up. Sentinel you notice how he looks very different from the fallen, but at the very beginning of the fall, of the rise of the fallen movie, he talked about all the other primes. We saw the statues, all the other primes, and all of them look the same, but Sentinel looks extremely different for no reason whatsoever. Yeah, so Sentinel is supposed to also be a Knight as well too. From understanding, Optimus is supposed to be the last Knight Prime. He was not a born Prime, he was a built Prime, like they said. He's supposed to be the last Knight Prime because it was expected that Sentinel was dead.
Speaker 2:We found out Sentinel was not dead until you know. Now he is Optimus. Made sure of that? Well, really, megatron, I want to talk about that because dumbest. We're going to talk about that because that was, aside from a plot plot hole situation. That was one of those ones like dumbest character moments ever, anyway.
Speaker 2:Um, so, literally, we wound up having to where sentinel. We find out he's alive. There's a chance that other primes are supposed to be alive as well too. Until we got to the last night when, um, quincentel I can never pronounce it right because it's quincential, whatever type of thing the goddess, the cybertronian goddess, per se, uh, which also makes no sense because we, if you really know again, if you, if you know the history of the Transformers, you know that Cybertron is a giant Cybertronian Transformer per se himself, and he's actually the twin brother of the Dark Transformer. That's literally the Hasbro version of Galactus, except actually evil per se, because Galactus isn. Except actually evil per se, because Galactus isn't evil. Yes, and that's where Unicron being Earth didn't make sense. Terra is a Transformer. Canonically, terra is a Transformer, but it's not Unicron. There's a reason. They're two completely different characters. Let me calm down, sorry.
Speaker 2:Back to T tuck's question. Onto, it is the fact that we may see, she says that no, sentinel and optimus were the actual last two primes. So what she says is correct, because she's supposed to have connections to all of these other primes, all all her knights that she built. No, we should not be any other primes. There should not be any other knights whatsoever. That should be it. But this is where I say she could be wrong, and the reason I say it is this the Fallen made it very clear the only thing that can kill a prime is another prime, right?
Speaker 1:Oh, like the Imperial Arms and a combat. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:No, you're right, so I want to point this out real quick. Okay, point this out In the second movie, who killed Optimus?
Speaker 1:The Fallen.
Speaker 2:It wasn't the Fallen. No, it was not. The Fallen did not show up on Earth until after Optimus died. When you say died, his spark was destroyed. His spark had to be recreated by the AllSpark. The AllSpark has the ability to make things happen that wouldn't normally happen. You could almost say in JB we're doing the Bleach Review. You could say the AllSpark has Orihime's abilities Make it as though it never happened. It can actually change the universe itself. Optimus said that himself. So it didn't just re spark up his spark. No, optimus is spark was destroyed. The only thing that can kill a prime is a prime. But who killed optimus in the second movie? If you don't remember, megatron did.
Speaker 4:if the only thing that can exactly so.
Speaker 2:Transformers one. I haven't seen the movie, but I wound up getting this little snippet spoiled into the megatron being a problem.
Speaker 1:That's the thing it.
Speaker 2:And that's the thing. So here's the thing. Remember, there are born Primes and there are created Primes. Some of the created Primes are ones that go through a primal ceremony in order to become that, and that's what happened to Optimus. Optimus became a Prime. Remember, his original name was not Optimus, it was like M136. It was a whole different name. He became Optimus Prime when he became a Prime per se, even though technically, he was created to be a Prime per se in that aspect.
Speaker 2:But what about Megatron? Well, keep in mind onto this, megatron, based into the movies, is the Fallen's main person, a prime, an original prime. Like the Fallen can also make a knight prime as well too. So in technicality, megatron is also a prime, and the reason that would make sense is this Keep in mind on this, did Megatron ever actually die? No, even when Optimus ripped out his head and his spine out of his body after killing sentinel. Even after that happened in the fourth movie, they were trying to read through things, but it was the small little um cybertronian that wound up making this note. He says they thought that he was dead, but he wasn't. He was still alive in his head in the very first movie. He was completely frozen, solid and technicality from and he was like almost in pieces.
Speaker 1:Technicality megatron is one of those type of dudes to where you have to completely, like, eat through him out like perfect cells where with perfect cell, like you would think you hit a vital spot or whatnot, but like even he said that uh. Oh well, you know, I got that very microscopic uh nucleus where, as long as that's still intact, I could just regenerate out of nowhere and it's like, yeah, you're gonna have to completely decimate megatron to completely kill. Like you can't just do a headshot. I think you're going to kill, nope, nope, he's going to come back.
Speaker 2:And keep in mind to this one as well too. Remember, only very few people could actually hold the actual Matrix of Leadership itself, and Sentinel winds up grabbing it. But for a brief moment it wound up seeming that point, and this is where it became a little crazy. Sam Witwicky used the Matrix of Leadership to try to the AllSpark and tried to destroy it by shoving it into Megatron and it seemingly killed him and they dumped it down to the bottom of the sea. But it was like, oh, he wasn't dead. So it's a possibility.
Speaker 2:You could even try to say it may have been at that moment, but no, he killed Megatron. May have been at that moment, but no, he killed megatron, megatron and he killed optimus earlier in that movie. So megatron himself could have already been could actually have already been a prime. That's why I said they touched base on it just a little bit in the first transformers one, but I haven't fully seen it yet, so I can't say canonically wise, yes, this is what it is in the comic books though. Yes, in the comic books megatron is a Prime.
Speaker 1:you never went through primal ceremony per se, but he is an actual Prime, he fits all the bills of being a Prime it makes sense for him to be a Prime because you know he is the leader of the Decepticons. It just I just normally I don't remember him being a Prime. It's like it would make more sense if he was going by Megatron. Prime, but then Prime. It's like it would make more sense if he was going by Megatron Prime, but then again that would feel a little repetitive.
Speaker 2:It's an it's an earned title, but keep in mind what Primes were supposed to be. Primes were the controllers of Cybertron. The reason that the Decepticons were created was to go against the Primes, because the Primes were the higher-ups. But Megatron and in one in in 136, well before he became Megatron tough guys, what his name was before then but Megatron Optimus remember they were at the lower ranks as well. Also, keep that in mind. They rebelled against their creators, against the primes, because the fact that the primes were Neglecting the lower people, they were the Robin Hoods. That was the whole point of that movie.
Speaker 1:The rebellion was to help out. Now that I think about it, I mean this might sound like a reach, but honestly, optimus and Megatron is giving me Charles Xavier and Magneto Pies.
Speaker 2:Exactly, that is exactly what it's supposed to be because, take in mind, to this one, optimus did not want to be the leader. It was supposed to be Megatron. Optimus defected from the original Decepticons because he didn't like how the plan was going. Megatron said Optimus, don't leave like this. They were brothers, and Optimus does say this in the movie too. He says he were like a brother to me. Yeah, because, yeah, the both of them were supposed to were up for the all spark. We were up for the matrix of leadership. It wound up going to optimus because optimus made the decision. So I would compare it to these one other two, two things. Here I'm going to make a Kingdom Hearts reference, because this is literally kind of the same thing.
Speaker 2:The Keyblade was originally supposed to go to Riku, but because Riku chose the dark side, megatron chose the dark side per se. Anakin chose the dark side, so the Force chose Luke, or like, wound up choosing what the time chose Obi-Wan and then chose Luke afterwards as the new saviors per se. But, um, it wound up changing because the main person chose the darker route. Keyblade chose Sora because Riku chose the dark side. So the matrix of leadership chose Optimus because Megatron chose the dark side. So the Matrix of Leadership chose Optimus. Because Megatron chose the dark route. In the end, it was still all to save Cybertron. That's what it always was about. But the thing about it is that Megatron was willing to destroy other planets, destroy other galaxies, destroy other universes in order to save the planet. Optimus says there has to be a way to save our planet without destroying other planets of life. In Rise of the Beast, they literally said this too, and they also said this in Rise of the Fallen, too. They reiterated it.
Speaker 2:The goal was to extract Energon from other planets, but the rule was don't take from planets that have life on it, only from dead planets. It's the only place that they would go to. But if there's no life on planets and this is where the decepticons become more of a key into this if there's no life on planets, the energon is either non-existent or is too few. The only way to extract actual energon that would work is that it has to come from a planet with life, because if there's life on a planet, there's energon on the planet. That's where it became a big issue, while we wound up having even the autobots would destroy other planets. They would only destroy dead planets. So imagine this point you would have to destroy like a hundred dead planets to equal the amount of energon for one living planet. But the aut Autobots still say but we didn't kill planets with life on it, no other life was impacted. Decepticon said that takes too long. Our people are dying. Babies cannot be born anymore. We need Energon, so we need it now.
Speaker 2:So we're going to sacrifice one planet with life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's one of those things where, okay, I see your logic, but you're making billions of lives go extinct just for an efficiency problem.
Speaker 2:Efficiency of one planet, of life type of thing. And that's where it became that moment when people wound up seeing transformers one. That's when a lot of people said I'm looking at decepticons differently now it's like perhaps I treat you too hard to like right because they were the.
Speaker 2:They were the mcu thanos. Yeah, they were the mcu thanos. It was to help out. It's just one of those darker moments. It was like, oh, but it would have taken so much, the other route would have been nicer, it would have taken much longer and there's a guarantee.
Speaker 1:Guarantee what if you took out a planet that was like an actual threat to the rest of the universe? I'm like, if anything, you'd be viewed as a hero, pretty much so that was the thing, and that was where um war for cybertron like the animated tv.
Speaker 2:So I'm like, if anything, you'd be viewed as a hero, pretty much. So that was the thing, and that was where War for Cybertron, like the animated TV series, did wind up. Talking about that there were other planets. That was constantly going to war with other planets, like they were trying to take over other planets and stuff. They were like trying to be galactic, control people and stuff those planets.
Speaker 2:Yes, but that series wound up turning Cybertronians into the Green Lanterns of the universe. It's our job to maintain order and we destroy planets that are evil per se. It was weird. It didn't work out that well. Yeah, that's where it comes into these movies. It's one of those ones that's like Now back into it again. I said I really want to talk about that. Uh, megatron and sentinel and optimus was the biggest nonsensical fight into this. Sentinel had optimus down, optimus was losing, he was not gonna win this fight. Here comes Megatron. Oh, you thought that you, big and bad, hit Sentinel from the back with a shot Like shoot Sentinel from the back, knocks him down, gives Optimus the opportunity to get the.
Speaker 1:W on both of them. This is my planet.
Speaker 2:But the thing about it is is that it just wound up being this point of Seriously, even my wife was just sitting here like so you mean to tell me that all this time and all these other movies, literally sitting here, megatron would sit back and watch All certain stuff he would sit back and watch, only jump in when necessary.
Speaker 1:But he decided.
Speaker 2:I'm going to jump in right now.
Speaker 1:The part where Carly found him just sitting on his ass just watching the whole thing go down, even she had to tell him about himself to where, like, oh, so you're just going to sit on your ass while sitting there doing what you always want to do I was like it will be me, it will always be me. I was like it will be me, it will always be me. I was like nah, you're more like sitting, a little bitch boy. I was like what the fuck are you talking?
Speaker 2:to. It just wound up being that point of like seriously, though, seriously though, like this is really where we're at. It was one of those ones. Like I know, megatron. I know for a fact that you saw that Sentinel hat was getting Optimus. You just had to be like, no, I'm the only one that can kill him. Congratulations, you got fatality, the classic sub-zero fatality at that, spine and head together ripped out Like just absolute nonsense.
Speaker 1:Bro. His final words, though kind of made it. The final thing they said to each other was all actually like kind of funny to where. I was like who would you be without me?
Speaker 2:brun and optimus was like time to find out that part and look optimus every time, right before he kills, right before he like, uh, you know fatality somebody. It was straightforward and how he did it like. I love his liners. My favorite one was the rise of the fallen. He was like I rise, you fall. After ripping his face off hand through the chest, crushed his spark in his face.
Speaker 1:I'm just like, oh man, how like in the end then it was like all ever wanted was Survival of our race. You have to forgive me, Bro. I'm betraying you and I was like. You didn't betray me, Sidney, you betrayed yourself.
Speaker 2:Boom Bro, like Optimus. Just be Every time, like in the movie. He got these lines, bro, he got these lines.
Speaker 1:He's not wrong, though, too. To be fair, you betrayed your own people for the same cause that they were fighting for. You really did betray the team just for you thought you had the better idea of how we go about it. I'm like look what that got you. That part, that part.
Speaker 2:That part exactly.
Speaker 1:Is there anything else about these five movies?
Speaker 2:Oh, well, we're only talking about just the first four, because the thing about it is this that again, I have not seen. I haven't seen Bumblebee. I haven't seen Bumblebee at all, so I can't say anything on to that one.
Speaker 3:But I didn't see the 8th one either.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll get to it when I'm going to watch them after this and we're going to do part two to where we're going to talk about those three movies Bumblebee, rise of the Beast and Transformers 1. They're all on Paramount Plus or Prime, if you're willing to buy. I don't know if I'm buying them.
Speaker 2:Well, the first four movies all the way up to Age of Extinction, is on Netflix right now, but it's only there until the end of this month. After December they're taking all of them off the US one. So if you have a VPN, you might be able to watch it.
Speaker 1:You know, still be able to watch it.
Speaker 2:What is on netflix? The first four movies are all on netflix. I'm gonna re-watch the first one because I like that.
Speaker 3:That's the best one. Do it. Child above me to come back no, he's moving on.
Speaker 2:He's moved on to other things, things he's cool. Now he's trying his own stuff. Otherwise, no, that's pretty much my general take for these movies. I'm pretty like. I enjoyed them. Do I have my pet peeves? Most definitely, there's a lot of inconsistencies that happen.
Speaker 2:My favorite Transformings I'll be honest on this I was. I wanted to see more of the samurai do in the fourth movie but, like I said, the fourth movie focus, the fourth and fifth movie focused more on the humans instead of the actual Cybertronians and it made me so upset, cause it's like that's not who I came to see. I did not come to see, oh, cause you have this famous actor. I don't care, I want to see Optimus kicking behind. That's what I want to see. The Last Knight did have one of the. It was the worst one Of the series so far. It still is marked as the worst one and the reasoning for it Is the writing Again focused more on the main character, focused more on the human characters Instead of Cybertronians, and also just the story itself. You know we ended the last movie, age of Extinction.
Speaker 2:Galvatron is, megatron is back and he's now upgraded to Galvatron and, like I said in the original in the series, the tv series, every time we see Galvatron. Galvatron is a threat and at the beginning of the last night I forgot that he changed his name after he got brainwashed. After Optimus got brainwashed, it was like not, I forgot what it was called. It was like Revenge Prime or something. It wasn't Revenge Prime, but something like that. Like he changed his name for that moment and he wipes the floor of Galvatron like it was nothing. Galvatron was no threat and it was like the only thing that happened to optimus is that he got brainwashed. So you mean to tell me optimus has been holding back all this time, always, and optimus is sitting here just like wiping the floor with everyone else, but we don't get to really see it, which makes again makes me mad and it's just one of those moments of like, okay, well, this is kind of what we have. And then we finally pick back up again with rise of the beast.
Speaker 2:Rise of the beast, a lot of story inconsistencies, but we finally get a chance to actually see transformers fighting. That's what I wanted to see and I'm like we get to see them actually like, do, like we're focusing on these characters. Um, optimus, I absolutely hated him in rise of the beast and rise of the beast. He was not a leader. He was not a leader whatsoever in that movie and it it hurt my feelings, like it was one of those ones. I'm like what in the world are y'all doing to my optimist? Don't, don't do this. He kept punking out constantly throughout the whole movie until, like, even at the very end, it wasn't even him that really helped out with too much. We wound up having to focus on our human character taking hot shot, just like, like kind of becoming his little own mech armor, which I thought was pretty cool, but it was one of those moments I'm like seriously, though, seriously, this is what we're doing. Um, but that's and that'd be my closing off into it. It's like I love the movies the first three to me, with the best.
Speaker 2:Afterwards it kind of started falling. It definitely fell off. Um, I haven't seen bumblebee so I can't. I'm not gonna say too much on. I'm not gonna say onto that one. I know some people liked it, some people didn't. Rise of the beast again, some people liked it, some people didn't. I was okay with it. But transformers one was the comeback that people wanted, and go figure, it's the comeback people wanted and it's fully animated and there's no right and there's no homework.
Speaker 1:If not, everything needs to be live action exactly, and there's no human characters in it. We focus only on the side surprising the one, the main good transformers movie in today's time doesn't even have human characters it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, I'm like, wow, that's insane, huh. But uh, that's all I got for my closing off, so I'll go ahead and give you guys, if I well, I mean, if we're rating the first movie, I guess I do you I'll do ratings out of five here. Uh, the first movie 4.5. It was a really good start, was it the? No, it was not the best movie ever, but really good start. Second movie I'm going to say 3.5. And I will say it was crazy to me how the huge amount of difference in the first movie you could count the amount of swearing in like two hands. I think it was like the entire movie. Maybe it was like eight or nine times. By the time we got to the second movie, the first five minutes I was counting on my toes, especially for, like the two little brother robots that, the two little brother autobots that were an ice cream truck together until they finally got their own separate cars they couldn't say. There was only one line throughout the whole movie where they were talking that they didn't cuss. Otherwise, the entire rest of the movie they was cussing. It was like it's not necessary, but it is pretty hilarious. I'm not going to lie there. I would say 3.5 out of the second one because it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Third movie, sentinel. I'm gonna say 3.52 because sentinel just did it for as long as the movie was, considering the fact that was longer than the other ones. We did not get as much focus on understanding what was really happening with the pillars and sentinel. I would have absolutely loved that, but we didn't. It was so obvious that he was going to betray them from the very beginning. It was the most obvious writing ploy. There was no surprise to that whatsoever in the movie. You knew, since it was going to betray them. We already know um moving forward and yeah, after that I'm have to start giving like twos. I would still watch it. I would still watch it, but it's just I. I can't say that. Oh yeah, I'm absolutely enjoying it, like I would the first movie, even like the second and third movie, I would still enjoy those. The after that not really gotcha.
Speaker 1:Uh, I might change how I feel about my ratings later when I do part two, but for the time being I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm almost right there with you, kokugatsu, on your ratings, except I would have said that the first three, ah okay. That the first three, ah okay. I would have said 3.5. Yeah, I'm pretty much the same. But like I would have said like three across the board up until we get to the fourth one. Then I would say like maybe 2.5.
Speaker 1:But I'm like actually you know what? Because I feel like even though between the plot and the character writing and whatnot, it felt like a mixed bag. But let's be honest, the transformers movies, especially the michael bay movies, was more like action movie, junk food. It's like it's not that good but it's enjoyable enough to watch. So I want to say it's at least a three out of five stars for me, maybe 3.5.
Speaker 1:If I remember some of the um scenes that I really liked. Uh, like what I was saying with Optimus Prime just swooping in and just wrecking all the Decepticons. See moments like that. That's what I live for. But outside of that, it just seemed like with some of the characters, half the time they seem inconsistent the other half of the time they have some charm that I like. I do appreciate that from a visual point of view, how they're trying to push boundaries with, uh, how they animate these robots and the action that's involved. So I guess you can say from a choreography point of view I'm like okay, it's enjoyable. I see that they're trying well, especially with their camera techniques where, like, they keep doing these things, where they keep changing the aspect ratio and all that shit, and I'm like I kind of get what you're going for and it's like kind of a fun ride if you don't think about it too hard. But it kind of comes off a little too try hard sometimes. Outside of that, yeah, I would say maybe 3.5 across the board, five All around.
Speaker 3:The first and second one specifically, but after that it started going downhill. But, for nostalgia purposes, I love Transformers, so I gotta give it a five.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what it feels like three maybe, but for nostalgia purposes I love Transformers, so I gotta give it a five. Yeah, you know what? That's what I'm saying. If it was like three, maybe four, and then some of them is like kind of declined, so I would say average out to about three across four.
Speaker 3:But they could have just left Megan Fox or bent over the car, and that the whole time. Or that Optimus Prime fighting the entire time, dude, yes, even.
Speaker 2:Bumblebee. Bumblebee is the fighting expert. That's literally what he's supposed to be. Everybody had their own particular thing. It's like you know, we had Ironhide's death. That hurt. Aside from the fact that we saw again. You can see Sento was going to betray them from the beginning. But ironhide was there, man, he was that dude. His death was just not necessary and jazz's death in the first movie was just seriously.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm kind of glad they brought him back from brides of the beast remember that's supposed to be a prequel per se ah, damn it, you're right shit so it's like a all over again.
Speaker 2:You know with hans where you're like you think you're like okay, he died in that one move, but he keeps coming back like, wait a minute, this is a prequel all the other ones are prequels, which still makes no sense to me that all of a sudden they went to space. I'm like han if you went to space, there's no reason you should have died in that third movie I'm just saying it's retcon tokyo drift, god damn it or retcon, just that moment, make it to where oh no, he didn't die, he was just like he went into hiding or something like that.
Speaker 2:That's fine, that's cool, I mean you did it with.
Speaker 1:Letty right Letty survived.
Speaker 2:I'm like you can just say the same thing with Han it's so hurtful, but anyway, han was actually like my second favorite character throughout the whole Fast and Furious franchise, but that's different. Oh, I am curious before we go, before we like fully close this off, who is your favorite Transformer? Like I'm actually curious. It could be from the movie, so we're focusing on just the movie. So who's your favorite?
Speaker 3:transform.
Speaker 1:It's obviously optimus yeah, I gotta give it to optimus honestly because, like he just had the most badass moments.
Speaker 2:Uh, aside from bumblebee look, for me it was bumblebee. For me it was fair enough, just personally, because like bumblebee from the beginning, like I, and I wanted to make sure I got you to talk about this. That's why I mentioned this bumblebee from the beginning. Sent me when we got to see bernie mack dude shows up at the? U he's like the used car lot and yeah I remember the car chose me yeah, the car chose me.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh well, you know his dad's gonna be cheap, so get out of the car, son, get out. And then, bumble, I was like, oh well, you know his dad's going to be cheap, so get out of the car, son, get out. And then Bonby was like, oh hell, no, like just throw all that shit. I was like, ok, $4,000 it is.
Speaker 2:Bernie Mac was like I can't. He said no, it'll be $5,000. Because you know, it's a classic type thing. It's to this one he's like nah, it's not going to work. Now, this one right here, and Bumblebee shatters the windows on all of the other cars and Burning Mac is like turns around 4,000?. Burning Mac was oh man, rest in heaven, rest in heaven, king. Oh my goodness, he would deliver it every time as you see him on the screen and him, just that moment solidified Bumblebee being fantastic. Bumblebee was hilarious Every single moment. Even remember in the second movie he was like, started playing all the different songs on the radio. You gotta cheat, cheat us love.
Speaker 1:He's like we're not cheating. No, no, I gotta say this one thing before I go I can't, I can't. I like how bumblebee was a better wingman for sam than all his other friends. But the main thing was, the implication is, bumblebee wants sam to win, to a point where he probably wouldn't even mind If he and the girl had sex in the car. And I was like so you want? Them to have sex Inside of you.
Speaker 2:Remember. No, no, stop, no, I'm done, I'm off. That's all I got. I'm done. Now Y'all have a good one. I unfortunately will not be available for part 2, but my friend should be on for part two. But my friend will be on. It should be on for part two. So hopefully you get a chance to talk with him. He is an absolute huge transformers fan. Um, most of the knowledge that I have for transformers is because he and I grew up. Um, well, he's a little bit older than me, but, like, still, it was one of those ones. Like he, I grew up learning most of transformers from him. He has had a chance of meeting several of the actual voice actors. He has signed memorabilia from them as well. He has been to multiple cons. He is a huge Transformers fan, so I'm super excited for you guys to be able to hear him and hear what he has to say on this as well. So until next time, I'm off that one. I need to go wash my brain now.
Speaker 1:Bye alright, that is part one of the Transformers review. We will be right back with part two when I go ahead and start watching Bumblebee, brothers of the Beast and Transformers 1 and give a more solid opinion on them and do a rating on them. So let's go ahead and go into intermission. Stay tuned for more. All right, part two of the Transformers cinematic review, because I'm thinking about doing an extreme review on the TV series, but there's a lot of them, so that's why I'm like to put that off for a little while. But in part 2 I went ahead and watched Bumblebee, rise of the Beast and Transformers 1. And let me just say, compared to the last five, oh, my god Fresh, a breath of fresh air.
Speaker 1:Finally, solid movies Like this first five. They're like I said that they were action movie junk food, like they can be good if you're in the mood for it, but if you're looking for like solid storytelling and strong characterization, you're not going to get that in the first five. But in Bumblebee, rise of the Beast and Transformers 1, hell yeah, solid movies, I love them. And this time, on part two, we have the lovely Mira Jane joining Mira Jane. How do you feel about the Michael Bay movies? I think it was like Michael Bay did. The first five, yeah.
Speaker 4:Michael Bay did the first five.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how do you feel about?
Speaker 4:those, so let's just start with. I guess let's start with the first one. Okay, transformers 1, one. Okay, transformers 1 or not Transformers 1, but Transformers the first movie. I'm not gonna lie to you, the only reason I wanted to go see it was because Shia LaBeouf was in it.
Speaker 1:I wasn't huge into Transformers like I said in part 1, you remember Louis Stevens, like you were pulled up for Louis Stevens.
Speaker 4:Bro, that's the only reason I'm not going to lie. I was like mom, dad, we got to go see this movie because and my dad's over here, he's super freaking old school so he knew all about Transformers. So he's like, yeah, we'll go see it, We'll go see it. It. I'm not a mech person, I'm not into, I'm just.
Speaker 1:I'm just not in a robot man and like it's OK, but it's like it is wild. How, like a lot of times I'll be talking to nerdy girls and be like I don't really fuck with those giant robots, oh okay yeah, I just I just really couldn't.
Speaker 4:Really at that time I couldn't get it. But then I don't know what it was about transformers, that just it was like oh, this is actually freaking cool, maybe because Tyrese was also In the movie, maybe because it was 2007 and that was the coolest thing out, right. Then I don't know.
Speaker 1:True, true, true. I mean in Hindsight it's like okay to Be fair. Uh, before we got really critical About movies and people damn near everybody in their moment had a platform for it. Uh, when we saw a movie it was like okay, either it was really good or and kind of waste of a movie ticket, but we can move on worldwide.
Speaker 4:But uh, nowadays everybody got throwing their two cents about it, almost as if everybody's like well, it is true, everybody's critics bro, everyone actually, you know what that's true, everyone really is a critic at this point, and okay, I just want to say that it also jump started 1976 chevy camaros oh, I saw so many of those afterwards.
Speaker 1:That's crazy, because I was thinking about Bumblebee, right how Haley Steinfeld's character, Charlie Watson. She had Bumblebee, you know, back when he was like this classic Volkswagen Beetle, and at the end of the movie it was like hold on, you can change the movie yeah.
Speaker 2:That shit was fire. 'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1:I get that, but um, you were saying about the first movie um.
Speaker 4:Shia LaBeouf's acting in that first movie as Sam Witwicky was the craziest thing to me, like I didn't know anything about acting, but for me it was so good see, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:It was like I was kind of expecting that lewis stevens energy in there and it kind of was there, but it was like it was almost like he was trying to move away from that role, so he didn't want to stay as lewis stevens. You know how, like I was trying to move away from that role, so he didn't want to, uh, stay as we was. You know how, like I was saying in part one well, I know you weren't there for that one, but I was saying in part one how some actors, like, say, daniel radcliffe, kind of went straight away from being known as harry potter, or you know, uh, that's our thing. So I figured out that was the case.
Speaker 1:But at the same time, though, I would like to say how Sam Witwicky sounded like one of those dudes where he's like, oh, my life sucks, my parents are terrible, I have no friends, nobody wanna fuck me. And then meanwhile, dude, you're in this upper middle class house, you, you are so well off, dude, and by the end of the movies, you always with this hot ass girlfriend and you got this house, bro, like, see, that's the thing. Uh, between him and kate yeager, it's like the writers of these movies. Don't know how to write movies like either they're a loser or a winner. Pick a lane.
Speaker 4:They can't be a winner, a loser-winner.
Speaker 1:It's like, okay, it would've been understandable if in the second and third movie, okay, Sam Witwicky's life is improving, but it's still a problem.
Speaker 1:You know what, when you put it like like that, that man did have a drastic jump yeah, same thing with um kate yeager, to where you're thinking like, okay, like he helped the autobahs um defeat the decepticons, but he's always in some bullshit and it seemed like his life never really Really improved per se. But with Samway Wiki it was like, okay, his circumstances Are better. I mean he went to college and he got his own place and all that. It seemed like it was seeming better, but for some reason he as a character Didn't really mature. It's like I don't know.
Speaker 4:They had the reverse problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 4:They had the reverse issue.
Speaker 1:It was like Sam his quality of life was improving, but he was still the same person. Meanwhile, kay Yeager was evolving as a person, but circumstances stayed the same yeah, that's crazy when you think about it that's so true.
Speaker 4:Dang. When you put it like that, dang, that just kind of blew my mind a little bit because I didn't think about it like that. But you know what I think? I'm going to just talk about them in general because all of it's starting to run together in my head now. But okay, I have a question. Megan Fox, was she fine or not?
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, yes, I mean yeah yes, I mean yeah like listen listen, it's one of those cases where it's like I'm not gonna deny that she's attractive, it's just more like you know it's cool ah, okay, okay, okay, okay, because I will say this there is.
Speaker 4:There was like I just remember having conversations with boys at that time jesus christ, oh my god, but you want to?
Speaker 1:know what's crazy. I will say what crazy part is I kind of like the blonde girl in the third movie a little bit better.
Speaker 4:If you're talking about in the look department like nothing gets megan posse rosie huntington yeah she was a, she was cute, she was like and I'm sitting here like how?
Speaker 1:I mean? I know the third movie explained it, but I'm sitting here like sam. How do you fucking?
Speaker 4:do it? I mean I you know what, by the third movie. I look he was wondering because by that point I think how do you fucking do it? I mean I you know what, by the third movie. I look he was wondering because by that point I think, like it came out, I think third movie came out in like 2011. So, like, by that point, I was kind of wondering like yeah, how is this this thing adding up Cause she was caught, she was fine and she seemed like All the people were like hey, man, you know, in the office.
Speaker 4:Like that's your girl.
Speaker 1:Not only that, but that was his sugar mama. Even the boss was checking her out, not just his girl.
Speaker 4:That's his sugar mama. Like she had the money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh man. It's even worse when you think about, like, where it it's like essentially um sam was getting cucked by uh her boss like, yeah, buying all the cars and shit. It's like, yeah, like y'all living on charmed life. But, to be fair, it's like your boss is pretty much um, buying you all that shit. So it's like, oh yeah, what are you doing with sam, when you didn't get with me? And I'm like right, right.
Speaker 4:But you know what, I can't lie. This, the third movie, she it definitely gave me vibes of like you gotta stick by your man type when it came to the romance thing. It's like, just stick by him, it's gonna get better and it once it gets better, he'll be there for you, kind of vibes and I was just like okay yeah, it's like it also didn't help that with the boss.
Speaker 1:As soon as the decepticons um got the autobots, well, what happened was the autobus was gonna leave peacefully, but the decepticons like, nah, fuck all that, shoot them down yep and then, dude, uh switched up to where like, oh well, you know the decepticons, they need a slave labor force, so we need us humans.
Speaker 1:Like we're gonna serve the decepticons and you know you need to stay safe. It's like the best way to stay safe. Except we like serve under, you know like kind of bend the knee and all that shit, and like it's almost like, even though I don't even think there was like a real attraction, it wasn't like she was into him, but I don't even fucking remember his name, like it was like dylan or something. Um, I don't even think carla was even into him, like that. It was just more like yeah, he's my boss, like yeah, he does nice things for me, but I'm like not interested in him yeah, like she it.
Speaker 1:She definitely wasn't like interested in him at all, it's just he thought that she should be yeah, and the thing is, if he thought that he had a shot before, he definitely didn't as soon as he switched up bro, that man went straight weak in the knees how do you?
Speaker 4:the best way to stay safe is no, no, no and I guess that's what made Sam's character really endearing throughout the whole entire first three movies was that, even though, like, yeah, he's a you can't be a middle lane, you're not wrong, he's not a winner.
Speaker 1:He's not a loser One thing I do respect about sam whitwicky the same thing I said in part one to where, even though sam he may not look like a fighter, but sam ain't no bitch, like he, he will fucking tussle with anybody. Like in the third movie where he was like um, you know the uh government guys. Um was like, checking him at the car, whatnot, he was like do not hit my car, it's a collector's item. And then it was like okay, y'all need to get up out the car and all that shit. And I was like, hey, man, you ain't gonna fucking and he's like tussling. Like bro, you could have got ill for that shit, but like you, could have got eight.
Speaker 4:He could have got eight, but that I think, like I said, I think that's what made his character super endearing, like I think that's what made him attractive?
Speaker 1:also like he wasn't like ha ha, funny here and there, but it was like I like the kind of snide remarks he make at people that like kind of give him a hard time, like in the first and second movie, where there was always like this jock dude, that's like giving him trouble, and then he was like, uh, he's gonna zing him back with something like uh, oh well, uh, you know. Like in the second movie, when he was in college and those frat guys was like, hey, man, get your car off the lot before we put your photograph. And then he was like, oh yeah, what size shoe you wear I'm like, oh, he always came with anybody.
Speaker 4:Oh, I fucking love it and like you know what I think, I think you just gotta have a little bit of edge. And that was his edge, was his wits of humor, like his comeback, and I think that's also what kind of separated him from the whole. That was a little bit of the like, even Stevens, louis Stevens character kind of showing up, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what. That's what made me kind of endear me to him before. I'm like, OK, he's kind of playing in the right moment.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah and, but I liked his acting. Me to him before. I'm like, okay, he's kind of playing in the right moments, yeah, yeah and but I I liked his acting. I can't say that I didn't.
Speaker 1:I thought like any time that something was about to happen and it all seemed lost and he got all teary-eyed I would be about to cry you remember that one part where he was like kind of possessed by the all spark in the second movie and he just started acting like crazy, like glitching and shit. See, I can't believe that from shia labeouf, like because I remember him being so goofy like it's believable coming from shia. So, yeah, I can see him doing that. If I saw kade jaeger, if I saw mark walbert doing that same shit, I'm like like bro, this looks jarring First of all.
Speaker 4:I think he could do it. He was Marky Mark in the Funky Bunch.
Speaker 1:Okay, fair enough, yeah.
Speaker 4:We gonna act like he ain't had them dance moves back in the 90s or 80s, whenever that song came out.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, he may have the dance move, but'm like I don't know, I just don't.
Speaker 1:It's kind of hard to picture mark warbird being a funny guy. It's like he's at this point I'm more convinced he's an action hero than you know a comedy star like see, uh, at this point, shia labeouf, like because he already had a comedy background, it's like more believable for sam to have, like the witty humor you know, like kind of spider-man, like um with kate yeager, I'm like thinking like, yeah, he's gonna be like this, uh, the badass guy, you know the, uh, the guy that you that's supposed to have edge, sam has low-key edge. It's like, like I said, like in the right moment, you kind of see where he shines. Yeah, I remember the first movie when they first got apprehended on him and not Carly, not Carly Michaela. They got apprehended and shit, right.
Speaker 1:And Toretto, he was like okay, negotiating, and shit. And Sam was like alright, bet, get Bumblebee out of here, release my parents and remove her juvenile record permanently. And I was like the kid's an extortionist. And I'm like okay, okay, sam, I see it was like okay, since they playing by your terms, you might as well go big, you might as well win some brownie points for the girl.
Speaker 4:Yep, yep, yep, yep. That was what, like, I feel like that. Everything you're summing up is what made the character endearing. Now, when it comes to I'm not gonna lie to you, when it came to kade yeager, I had a big crush on mark walberg. I thought that was the finest thing at that time. Okay, at that time I thought mark was one of the finest things I've seen in a long time I'm not doing I feel like you are, I feel I'm not.
Speaker 1:No, no, no I I'm legitimately, I'm like go ahead papa, you know what?
Speaker 4:And to see him show up just muscular and looking like he's about ready to rip that shirt off. It just did something to me at that age.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not judging you or attracting, but the way you're describing it it's kind of funny you know, and his struggling you have a little crush on Marky Mark let me get you like his poster up on the wall, you kiss it too.
Speaker 4:Oh, if I could have had that poster Wait a minute. Wait a minute, JB.
Speaker 1:You said you wasn't judging. No, I'm not judging you for having a trash in the wall. I just like the way you're describing it.
Speaker 4:But so I felt like I like the approach that they took with his character, with the whole single father bringing the whole family into it. But Do I know where it was?
Speaker 1:like, okay, yeah, oh, oh, I'm sorry, bringing the whole family Unto it. But Okay, yeah, oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but you just like Bringing a whole bunch of points that I need to bring up, like, okay, let's Focus on Kay Yeager, specifically his daughter. So his daughter Okay, cool, like she was there, but my issue Was the boyfriend. So his daughter okay, cool, like she was there, but my issue was the boyfriend. Now, I said this in part one, and you can listen to part one whenever you get a chance, when it gets live. And all that raised a whole stink with Kokugatsu and Professor Tuck about how this dude pulled up and said oh yeah, I'm 20 years old, hold on my daughter's 17. No, no, no, it's okay. See, I got this laminated card to say that it's okay for me to have a relationship with your daughter.
Speaker 1:Oh, hell no grab this shoddy, get the fuck up off my property. No fucking way you showing up with a laminated card saying like, oh yeah, no, no, no, like you trying to justify potentially sleeping with my daughter uh, and you're like bro. First of all, I don't like the implication that you're practically waiting to sleep with my daughter. Second, of the fact that you have this card land made makes me feel like you've been down this road before. I don't like this. Get out. I'm not a father. But I swear to God, my daughter shows up with this dude that's in his 20s and she's still a teenager and he pull up with that car. I'm like, yeah, that's demon time right there.
Speaker 1:I'm like you did not just pull out a laminated car wall, like it's a legit wall, like I'm not gonna go into detail, but since we look, there's like legit laws where there's like loopholes with having, uh, a relationship with a girl that's underage, as long as you're not doing anything inappropriate, quote, unquote. I'm like that don't sit right with me, that don't sit right with me.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't think that shit sit white with anyone, cause you're not wrong. I actually like how this movie took like. I like how this movie brought that up now that you make that point, because this wasn't conversations we weren't we were having, but it wasn't like it was more, like you better not do that Like that's a no, no, you know, and the fact that it was like Casually Telling Kate Right in front of his face oh, the things I do around your daughter and the daughter's like smiling and shit.
Speaker 1:And Kate like got up out the door and said, oh hell, no, I'm not having this, I'm not entertaining this, and I I think it's kind of funny how, like in the fifth movie, where essentially, um, the girl that plays uh, one of the spider girls and madame webb, uh, believe it or not, yes, that is, uh, the uh latina girl, yeah, that's saying chick uh, she pretty much replaced the daughter, uh, kay's daughter, you know, because she's more savvy anyway. So it's almost like yeah, let's just Pretend that blonde chick From the fourth movie she moved on, she don't matter anymore. Um, this the new, like surrogate daughter.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's true, isn't it?
Speaker 1:yeah, it was like the daughter herself was such a nothing character. It was like let's just replace her and find a girl that's like more texan.
Speaker 4:I mean like yeah I mean not only that, but she, just she. She was such a nothing character, but she just I don't think she really brought anything to the table because, to be honest with you, I completely and totally forgot about her, other than the fact that she just felt like her dad was a waste of time yeah, see, that's like he was wasting all the money it's like, um, nothing really to say about her, because I'm like I don't, bro.
Speaker 1:I just got through watching these movies twice and I still forget what significance she brought to the table. That's why I'm like that's how you can tell she's a nothing character, where you can literally watch the movie and feel like did she even really do?
Speaker 4:Uh, she waited with Optimus for yeah for a little while, that's, didn't she? She did that right? I don't fucking know, bro, like she's so forgettable.
Speaker 1:I'm like man. By the time I got to Bumblebee and the other movies. I'm like.
Speaker 4:It's also sad when the boyfriend is more memorable than you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, that's the thing. That's what the point I was going to make.
Speaker 3:It's like the only reason I even remember you is him.
Speaker 1:He's the only reason why you even come across my mind when I think about the fourth movie. By the way, I think the funniest thing in the fourth movie was that part about Stinger where it's just like Bumblebee, but better in every way and it's like fuck, you mean better in every way. Bumblebee was not having it dog.
Speaker 4:How dare you say that? No, no, no, I take that back.
Speaker 1:I take that back. That's not the funniest part. It's the funniest intentional joke. The funniest unintentional joke is the fact that they call this shit Transform you. I'm sitting here like gonna workshop that name. Like hell, I thought of, at least adapt you. Okay, at least you're like thinking outside the box. Okay, I kind of see where you're coming with that, but Transform you. It sounds like you phoned in. Like ah.
Speaker 4:It sounds like they put a whole bunch of names in a hat and then shook it up and they chose one of them and it was too complicated and they were like we're going with Transform you Like they didn't even go with what they put in the hat.
Speaker 1:I just don't understand. But anyways, I know we kind of jumped a whole bunch of places. But did you have anything to add on to the first movie at all?
Speaker 4:Mm-mm. Nope nope.
Speaker 1:That was pretty much it uh, second and third movie, I did like the fight scenes with optimus, like when optimus was going up get the decepticons in the second movie where he like he was uh getting um jumped but he was kind of handling it up until you know the end of it and you know that sort of thing. And then in the third movie I did like how he swooped in in the jetpack excuse me, jet fire and he was like kind of weaving in through all those Decepticons in the Battle of Chicago and all that. I kind of like the action scenes for the most part. But sometimes I feel like these movies will at least the Michael Bay movies work better when there's either human characters that we can really latch onto or if there was more of the Transformers doing their own thing, Like it's almost like the movies are better when there are like humans not taking too much of the spotlight when they're not really doing anything.
Speaker 1:But that's pretty much all I had on 2 and 3. Well, really 4 and 5, too, Because pretty much all I had to say on the Michael Bay movies was in part 1. Mj, you had anything you want to add on before we move on to the last 3?
Speaker 4:I will say the second movie was probably my favorite.
Speaker 1:That's wild, because Revenge of the Fallen, that probably my favorite.
Speaker 4:That's wild, because Revenge of the Fallen, that was my favorite.
Speaker 1:That's wild, because Shia LaBeouf said that that was the worst movie he ever seen. He was in the fucking movie.
Speaker 4:I actually really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like when we talk about Twilight, all over again to where the second movie it was like, except it was in the opposite direction, to where, uh, robert pattinson said, oh, that was my favorite movie, because obviously that's your favorite movie. You were barely in that one, but um, yeah, you know, know, that was the joke, but um, anyways, I kinda wanna talk about these last three movies already.
Speaker 4:Let's go.
Speaker 1:Bumblebee Better than I thought, but still Teetering towards the mid area, I wanna say it's giving At least a 7, like a solid 7, like solid movie, but Maybe a little higher. But then again it just felt like Um, I mean, keep in mind, I did like that the direction they put with the human characters nowadays when okay, keep in mind, this is only in Bumblebee and I did like that.
Speaker 4:The direction they put with the human characters nowadays when?
Speaker 1:okay, Keep in mind this is only in Bumblebee and Rise of the Beast. At this point, no humans, okay, cool.
Speaker 1:But in Bumblebee I like the direction they had with Charlie To where imagine you had this loving father. He passed away, your mom got remarried, the stepbrother, they're moving on with their lives. But Charlie feels like she still miss her dad and she don't like how the family's acting like nothing happened, like they're just um treating her father's death like it's just something to be swept under the rug and she's like been holding on to this shit.
Speaker 1:And you know you've seen the drama that happened in bumblebee and I like her art in that movie so that's why I'm saying like okay, at least nowadays in these movies, like the human characters have a more believable arc.
Speaker 1:Uh, with sam, with wiki and k yeager, nothing gets them, but it just kind of feels like they were just there yeah, like outside of that it didn't feel like they didn't have much of a personality stuff, a little zingers here and there outside of that and but at least with charlie and noah diaz and rise of the beast they feel like actual characters that you can believe in. Um memo, bro memo reminded me of a fucking maximus from fall. It's like this young guy character where it's like he's kind of bumbling around. He kind of likes the girl character but he's being real awkward about it. That's pretty much it. You gotta have this male love interest. I guess they kind of make him Seem like he's kind of one of those guys that's like have your balls dropped yet Because it doesn't seem like they did. Outside of that, I did like John Cena being in there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Crazy enough. I was kind of flabbergasted when I was finding out that people like, say, angela Bassett and Justin Theroux and Peter Cullen was doing voice acting for this. Hold on, I'm trying to. I know Angela Bassett was Shatter. I know she was Shatter, but I'm trying to. I know Angela Bass was Shatter. I know she was Shatter, but I'm trying to remember the other guy.
Speaker 4:You mean the one who played Dropkick?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm trying to remember which one he did. Okay, my bad, I had to scroll down a little bit. Okay, yeah, angela vassal was shatter, doesn't throw what's okay, okay, yeah, yeah, that's okay, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, I was pretty impressed by bumblebee. For the most part it kind of felt like there was, surprisingly, not a whole lot of acting. It just felt more like a coming of age movie for Charlie and you know, bumblebee being involved, being kind of like the pet character it was giving her a little bit of vibe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was just going to just say that it kind of felt like her before, but it also kind of felt like you know those buddy cop movies yeah, it kind of felt like that, like it was like kind of bonding for the most part, up until you know, shatter and drop kids showed up and the plot really kicked in like okay, now they're piecing together what the hell is going on all that and then and then, you know, final battle and all that it was on and all that.
Speaker 1:And then you know Final Battle and all that. It was cool and all, but it just felt more like a movie that was more centered around Charlie than the Transformers, and I don't hate the movie for that, but that was just me it kind of felt like. It didn't feel like a Transformers movie. It just felt like a movie starring Hailee Steinfeld, involved in the Transformers movie. It just felt like a movie starring Hailee Steinfeld, involved in the Transformers.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it felt like Transformers wore the backdrop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was the side story.
Speaker 4:Like oh, in the meantime, the government's trying to figure out where Bumblebee is, but Charlie and Bumblebee are doing their own thing.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 4:And that was really cool.
Speaker 1:So, once again, I don't hate the movie for that. That's just how it is. That's all I have to say. On Bumblebee, I still stand by at least a 7, because you know I kind of expected it to be a Transformers movie, but fine, as it is Rise of the Beast Now, I know you didn't see this one, but I like the idea of this being a thing, because I got into Transformers back when Beast Wars was a thing, back when before you had the trucks and things and all that, you had the animal like transformers.
Speaker 4:Uh, I was there for that and the fact that they were included in here loved it I will say this, this is where I messed up at, because when I was younger I confused animorphs and transformers I thought they were the same thing. Okay, they were the same thing, so.
Speaker 1:To be fair, though, like there's a whole bunch of things when one thing kind of looks like the other. I mean, think about it. A lot of people will probably say, oh well, I thought you know Voltron and Power Ranger Were the same thing. No, the fuck, they aren't. I can kind of see why you would make that mistake you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:But I definitely used to be out here thinking like when people would talk about transformers, I'd be like, and they'd be like no transformers, and I'd be like, okay now here, jane, I'm gonna blow your mind, okay. Now.
Speaker 1:I kind of wish you did see Rise of the Beast, Otherwise I would have this theory. Well, to be fair, it was kind of the same pair of my pictures and whatnot. But here's the thing Bumblebee took place in 1987, right.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 1:Rise of the Beast takes place in 1994 and if you take that into account in the movie, of course bumblebee had to say bye to charlie and they both move on with their lives. And he hooked up uh, linked up with optimus prime and they linked up with the other Autobots. So fast forward to 1994, where now Bumblebee Optimus is helping out Noah Diaz, who is this ex-military electronics expert who's struggling to find a job to support his brother, chris, who's like well, not great wheel, but he is terrible and he resorted to stealing this port. But it turns out it was Mirage in disguise and essentially almost like the same circumstances, where it's like okay, uh, gotta keep a secret that he's um Autobots. But you know, the uh Terracons are coming down to Earth to try to take this thing called Transwarp Key.
Speaker 1:And you also have this one girl named Elena who is like this museum intern, that was studying this statue that had the Transwarp Key, and whole point being is that they're trying to prevent Unicron, this planet, eating Transformers. Think Galactus, but in Transformers world.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 1:Unicron, prevent him from trying to eat Earth. And yeah, like not that deep, but I'll give you this much I really did like the directions where it's like the terracons and the maximals. See, the maximals are the animal transformers that you are mistaking for animals, yeah uh, there was like arizur.
Speaker 1:Uh, there was like Arizona. Uh, optimus, primal and Cheetor and all those other um, animal-like Transformers. Yeah, it was pretty cool. It was a solid movie but I think one of the most the funniest unintentional like okay, it is funny in its own right. Like they did have some have some pretty solid jokes. Mirage is like the funniest character Like you listen to like from just as soon as Mirage like transforms and shit and he's like talking and shit. He's like okay, first of all, I can definitely slide to the cookout. He earned that right. Second of all, it's like some of the things like oh man, you know what I'm like.
Speaker 4:I just met you, but I fuck with you oh my god Okay.
Speaker 1:It just kind of felt like I wanna like you.
Speaker 4:Oh my god.
Speaker 1:Uh, but he's the funniest character. But Noah said something that was Funny to me, to where I'm like bro, okay, tip's off. Uh, essentially the Autobots had no choice but to escape uh cybertron. They were pretty much losing the war on uh cybertron to the decepticons and essentially optimus was kicking himself for being um, for failing to protect the homeworld from Unicron and all that shit. It got to a point where Noah was like, okay, since these bad guys are coming to fuck up my plan, I need help. And then Optimus was like no, you let me handle this. And I'm like uh-uh. It was like the best line In this whole movie. Noah told Optimus Uh, no offense, but I ain't trusting my home to a guy that couldn't protect his Damn.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 4:I was just about to ask you.
Speaker 1:Oh, I need a drink for that one. I was just about to ask you. Oh, I need a drink for that one.
Speaker 4:I was just, I was like bro, okay. So I had a thought.
Speaker 2:I believe at some point, in time, optimus Prime became an alcohol.
Speaker 1:What would be the Cybertronian clone of alcohol? That's a good question. I mean Like some sort of liquid, what would be the Cybertronian clone of? I mean, like some sort of liquid, energon or something Bro, can you imagine?
Speaker 4:Oh my God, I'm like man.
Speaker 1:I just got the Matrix of Leadership not too long ago and I'm already sucking at this job.
Speaker 4:I can just picture Cause. Every time I'm not gonna lie to you Every time Optimus Prime would get angry. It always sounded this might sound messed up, but it always sounded Like an abusive father. Oh god, can I also say? But it always sounded like an abusive father. Oh God, it just, it just got his.
Speaker 1:Can I also say that in this movie this is like Optimus was like the worst in this movie.
Speaker 4:Oh.
Speaker 1:God, Because look, not only that, not only that part, but he literally had to have Bumblebee and the others save his ass more times than he carried the team. Like bro, like this version of Optimus in this movie, had none of the sauce from the Michael Bay movies, oh man. None of the sauce but you know.
Speaker 4:It would make sense, though, because if this is a prequel right, sense though, because if this is a prequel right but no, but if you consider Transform 1 as a prequel to that prequel, he had more sauce than that one.
Speaker 1:What happened, optimus?
Speaker 4:oh man, I told you, he became a. That's what happened. But that's what happened but, he got some of that liquid. Okay, I'm done.
Speaker 1:I'm done, I'm sorry but anyways, brides of the Beast, solid film, I would give that one at least an A At least an A?
Speaker 4:I'm going to go check it out now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it was fairly paced. I liked the characters and even the human characters believe it or not, that's what I'm saying Like at least in Bumblebee and Rise of the Beast, at least with the human characters, I liked them Like they feel like actual characters Because think about this, but noah, he's like a struggling dude. He's just trying to do what he can to get a job to help his brother and whatnot. He, it was like, even though he's, uh, in the latino community, I'm like, yeah, he can slide to the cookout like he.
Speaker 4:He feels like one of us I'm not gonna lie to you, they do be having the best cookout, so like I think we need to fly to they cookout because they start no hold on.
Speaker 1:But you remember, uh, what Kat Williams said. You know, like they, they know how to have fun, but shit, those parties be lasting like days and I'm like man, it's so crazy.
Speaker 4:My co-worker was just telling me no, no, literally, literally, mj.
Speaker 1:Uh, I don't know them and nothing against them, but let's just say I have neighbors who is like in that community? And when they want to have a party they will be blasting music so loud. Why is it that I can hear blocks away?
Speaker 4:Oh my God, oh my God.
Speaker 1:If I can hear it way over here, I'm like bro.
Speaker 4:Listen, just can I get a plate? I don't know, I just want to get a plate.
Speaker 1:Fuck all that Taco Bell shit. I want the homemade shit, I want the empanadas and all that yeah.
Speaker 4:Y'all got some elote.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I don't know what y'all be doing to that corn, but it be so good.
Speaker 1:Ayo, that one, that one on tip they had. You know like you got to rap on me on tempo and shit.
Speaker 4:I'm Y'all got some churros. I'm not going to lie to you.
Speaker 1:Oh, fuck yeah. Give me some churros. Please Give me some churros. I want that homemade queso dip with the tortilla. Excuse me, I can't talk today. What else man goddamn Messing with you, me so bustin' sometimes for real.
Speaker 4:Sometimes, sometimes, give me some carnitas, give me a tostada. Okay, I'm not gonna lie to you, I love some good. Okay, I'm not going to lie to you, I love some good, good, traditional Mexican food. Yeah, but in other words, noah Diaz is invited to the barbecue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 1:Rise of the Beasts. Like I said, 8 out of 10. Solid movie. Let's get into Transformers 1. Okay, this one I like how. It's funnier than I expected for a prequel film where you know you're trying to get to know excuse me Orion, pax and D d16 before they became optimus, prime and megatron respectively, and I watched this movie. Right, mj mj listen, am I a megatron sympathizer?
Speaker 1:Okay, first of all, the way he did it, like, okay, sentinel Prime did everybody dirty, selling them all and the fact that Sentinel Prime once again is a traitor to his own people At this point. I think this is just his character at this point. Sentinel Prime used to be like this mentor type, uh, or like a role model type figure to the autobots and the anime series and whatnot. So it feels like jarring to where nowadays sentinel prime is being painted as this traitor to his own people. But in transformers, essentially, he sold out his people so that way he can live like a king amongst them. But he's pretty much taken over from what they call them, something with a Q.
Speaker 1:Give me a moment, don't help me, don't help me, don't help me. I will get it as soon as I'm trying to remember their Quintessence that's what they're called Quintessence. Um, yeah, the people in Icon City and and whatnot. They didn't like that shit and it's funny how it's like there was this whole class thing going on with, uh, orion packs and d16. They're like minors and uh, they were like under sub levels, like mining, inner jump and all that shit, and they want to compete in this race and they want to show that miners can do things too, you know I kind of like how?
Speaker 1:essentially? I'm sorry, but am I the only one thinking like damn, orion, pax and D16 crazy enough kind of reminds me of well, at least before Megatron became Megatron. It was kind of giving the same vibes Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence had in the movie Life, to where it seemed like Rey and Klaue is like Klaue just wants just, you know, stay by the books, you know, do the right thing. But now Rey was like nah, fuck all that, let's go, but that's about as far as he gets.
Speaker 1:The whole point being is that with Orion Pass he's the one that's like doing all the reckless shit and is like, hey man, let's go have fun. But D16 is like, hey man, nah, let's not do anything. Crazy, right. All this shit goes down trying to find a matrix of leadership and all this, and they find out that Sentinel Prime sold out the primes and whatnot in order to, like I said before, live like a king. But at the same time you're kind of serving underdog quintessence and whatnot. And they were going to try to expose Sentinel and all that shit. But you know, typical movie fashion that they bumped into some trouble.
Speaker 1:It's weird how Starscream and the Elite Guard they were the Elite Guard before they started working for Megatron, because I'm so used to Starscream being like the type of Transformers like he, low-key wants to like overthrow Megatron. Because I'm so used to Starscream being like the type of Transformers like he low-key wants to like overthrow Megatron as leader of the Decepticons. But crazy enough, um, he did lead, he was a leader before Megatron rose up and all that shit. But uh, that's beside the point point being is that, um, I did like how there was like a whole bunch of uh autobots that I immediately recognized, even bumblebee, where I'm like the moment I saw them. I'm like I know you, I know you, uh, for the most part kind of funny, but it was a very strong prequel, in my opinion, to where, like, it felt believable, to where like, yeah, I can believe this is what happened. I believe this is how Optimus became Optimus and Megatron became Megatron okay.
Speaker 1:I can see this. Yeah, it's believable. What else, yeah, transformers 1 I give it an 8, maybe a 9. It was charming, it was a strong oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 4:I just had a thought. Optimus Prime and Megatron is Naruto and Sasuke.
Speaker 1:I mean, I mean, at this point I feel like that trope is common, where it's like it's always gotta be like this knucklehead that kind of fills up or not really fills up, but more like the knucklehead that kind of fails up or not really fails up, but more like the knucklehead that kind of becomes the big cheese and all that. And then you have the guy that's like the more sensible and cool guy.
Speaker 1:I don't know, it changes depending on the situation, because you know, keep in mind, if we're talking about Naruto and Sasuke, we can say the same thing about Naruto and Grey. We can say the same thing about Yuji and.
Speaker 4:Megal, we can say the same thing about you, g and Miku? I don't think so. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:Not exactly, not to an exact point, but more like they have that same archetype.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm looking at it like not just the archetype, but as in like literally Sasuke becomes evil, and so like yeah he literally joins up with Orochimaru, of all people, of all things that you could go do, sake, but, and Optimus Prime is just desperately trying to save his friend, essentially, yeah, I mean, it was kind of like that up until the end, to where, okay, at this point it's like all right, you clearly decided on your path and you've made it so that it didn't have to be this way. But is this how you want to be? That's how you want to go now All right bet.
Speaker 4:It's the what if story if Sasuke Never was able to talk to the Hokage True.
Speaker 1:But, yeah. What was I going to say about this? Yeah, I pretty much said what I wanted to say about Transformers 1. Pretty solid film. I would say an 8 or 9 because it kind of gave me the perspective to where Megatron did kind of have a point, to, where I would feel some type of way to if my entire life was a lie.
Speaker 4:But you, know, I mean, you know, that sounds real familiar, yeah.
Speaker 1:Just saying, yeah, sound real familiar. Yeah, just yeah, sasuke's entire life technically was a lie. Yeah, because he was thinking like, oh my brother, he killed my whole family, I need to get my revenge on him. And then he finally meet up with itachi and I was like, hey, bro, you got it all twisted Like, check this out. You do know that Okage practically hired me to put a hit on our own family, right, like he wanted all of us on, even you. And then I was sitting there like, okay, hold on, let's make a bargain. I don't really like this, but if we gotta do what we gotta do, can you at least look the other way for my brother? And I was like, I mean, what's a little kid gonna do? Right, alright, yeah, a little little.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, a little kid joins up with God, darn Roshan, oh, not to mention goes off and kills Danzo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like harmless kid, he ain't gonna do nothing. I mean, yeah, he's an Okiya, but I mean he ain't no Itachi, he's the last one, he ain't no Madara so I'm like yeah whatever.
Speaker 4:Who's going to train him? No one, exactly. Itachi's been training him this whole time. It's crazy. I'm sorry. Every time I think about Sasuke's life that joke makes me kind of laugh, and I know that's messed up, but it just sounds kind of familiar. It sounds like they have something in common. Maybe we need a crossover.
Speaker 1:I mean, while you're playing, though, it's already crazy enough that Naruto is getting that crossover with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. So I'm like, at this point, yeah, that crossover with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. So I'm like, at this point, yeah, that. Oh, speaking of crossovers, rise of the Beast if you see that movie, I kind of don't want to spoil it for you, but uh, it's like at the tail end of it to where essentially, noah meets up with this, um, mysterious person by a job right, and the interviewer was like, um, getting real weird on him to a point where he knows about what Noah was doing with the autobus and whatnot. And then he was like my card. Uh, if you ever want to, um, make some real shit happen, just let us know. And then it just opens up to this uh, secret rooms where you see like, uh, these weird well, not real weird but uh, these strangely shaped aircraft and whatnot. It's like what is this place? And then you look at the business card and guess what's on the business card?
Speaker 1:what di joe. That's right crossover with transformers and di joe that would make so much sense, okay.
Speaker 4:Well, john cena is balding. Wait, I don't mean it like that, I just mean it as in like, can he? Can he be? Who's gonna be in gi joe?
Speaker 1:I mean that's, that is funny when you think about like, uh, to be fun, to be fair, I think it gotta be like a whole bunch of new action stars yeah it, it's going to have to be huh. Yeah, Maybe like get some legacy characters back. You know just kind of like hey, I remember you, I recognize you.
Speaker 4:Oh, we got to have a new snake. Oh, that snake guy's got to be the bomb.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Oh my God, Okay, okay, all right. That just rocked my world and I'm really excited now, now that I am a fan of I am a fan of GI Joe.
Speaker 1:Nah, you know what's even crazier? If Bumblebee and Riders of the Beast does have any correlation to each other, and considering that Riders of the Beast is setting up the crossover for that, imagine if Farley comes back as a. Gi Joe.
Speaker 4:Bro, what if she comes back as like as either Scarlet or a? That'd be so cool, oh my god. Okay, I could see that. I could see her as Storm Shadow. I mean that'd be kind of.
Speaker 1:That would be kind of crazy. I mean, yeah, like she leaves off where she picks up her dad's car and she's like driving off in the distance, but like, then again, like Can they have a reunion? I mean possibly you know.
Speaker 4:Oh Darn it, JB, you give me hype.
Speaker 1:Because think about it like when Optimus first linked up with um Bumblebee, you know like uh, when Optimus was uh addressing um Bumblebee as B, know like uh, when Optimus was uh addressing um Bumblebee as B-127, and I was like my name is Bumblebee and you know, using Charlie's voice, and I was like that's the girl that gave you your name and it was like I was like alright, throw her in there. I mean Hayley's doing pretty well, you know, between doing fucking Arcane and Hawkeye and all that.
Speaker 4:Why not? Yeah, I could see that Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah. Transformers 1, pretty solid movie. Transformers 1 pretty solid movie. It's kind of hard to tell which one I like more between Rise of the Beast and Transformers 1, because I'm not saying that Bumblebee was bad, it's more like as far as the sauce Between those two, those two definitely had some kind of sauce in them, right now, Bumblebee is my favorite. Nah, I don't feel that you know what's crazy, though.
Speaker 4:Before.
Speaker 1:Bumblebee. There was another yellow vehicle-like character that was in the animated series and the comics Before they like. I guess they renamed him bumblebee. He used to go by hot shot I actually remember that yeah I like so let me guess, y'all just renamed him bumblebee. I mean, I don't hate it, but I didn't't mind Hotshot either.
Speaker 4:I remember that because of um, what was that? There was an old cartoon. There was an old Transformers cartoon and I think they used to make jokes by calling him Hotshot.
Speaker 1:I swear to God if you're talking about my favorite one.
Speaker 4:I mean, I don't even know.
Speaker 1:Was it like a cartoon series where there were like smaller Transformers?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Transformers Armada, my favorite one.
Speaker 4:Oh snap, yeah, that's bro, armada was like the best one in the 2000s.
Speaker 1:I'm like that one definitely had the sauce with the mini cons and shit, hell yeah it did, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 4:it did it definitely. Whenever I could catch it on TV, I was watching it, I ain't gonna lie, but I did not know what channel that came on. It did it definitely. Whenever I could catch it on TV, I was watching it, I ain't gonna lie, but I did not know what channel that came on.
Speaker 1:It was Cartoon Network.
Speaker 4:Was it? Yeah? Are you sure? Yeah, why do I feel? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. I know like they kind of switch hands depending on the era you're talking about, for the most parts of transformers was always on cartoon network dang.
Speaker 4:I don't know why it kept it felt like I was watching it on. Uh, you remember abc family. It felt like I was watching it on there.
Speaker 1:I don't know why I mean, they're not locked to just one channel. But but as far as I remember, like yeah, Like most of the time, if you want to see Transformers on anime series, they were on Cartoon Network.
Speaker 4:Okay, okay, that makes sense. I probably just never found out the actual time.
Speaker 1:This was like back in Golden Toonami era. Yeah, oh, man, okay.
Speaker 4:Yeah. I definitely in golden tsunami era. Yeah, oh man, okay, yeah, I definitely.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's when, because we didn't have tv, guys like that right you had to look at the newspaper yeah, no, that's crazy, because tv guy was like kind of new to where you know, yeah like uh media come, whatnot they kind of upgrade to like uh satellite tv, whatnot?
Speaker 4:then you had, like the little guy that you're like, okay, okay, it's kind of cool yeah, we had, um, we only had one tv with the guy, yeah, one tv with the guide on it, and I know me and my sister was probably fighting over that tv when I think about it, oh my god, and I know my mom probably came in and just took the remote and was like y'all ain't watching nothing and we just went to our nah see, I'm kind of glad that I grew up in a household where we all had to have our own TVs, because like we ain't having that to where we're watching all the like.
Speaker 1:okay, keep in mind that there are some things where we can watch them together. Like you remember um shit like oh man, like I still remember watching like Supermarket Sweep Do you remember that shit?
Speaker 4:Oh, oh, that was our shit.
Speaker 1:Bruh man, oh, oh, that was our shit. Man, like look between supermarket sweep, uh, fucking. Uh, price is right, uh, and all that. Okay, there are some shows where we can all sit down and watch it, right. But if it was when it came down to my anime and shit, I'm like I need my space.
Speaker 4:Y'all not gonna understand I'm not gonna understand that's so true?
Speaker 1:no, because you know you know how anime is, you know with the girls and uh, and I was like you don't understand it's like like I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 4:I think you know what. Now it makes sense. My dad didn't ever complain. He just used to watch anime with me. That that would probably be the he would. Let me say this, I mean, let me correct myself he would watch ronnie kenshin.
Speaker 4:That was the only anime that you would watch I mean, but like they used to catch me dancing to sailor moon because I would get home, you know, like my parents ain't got off work yet, so I want to watch the big tv, because I got a little tv, you know, and the big tv is the family tv and I'm like, yes, ain't nobody home. Oh, my god, my God, I turn it on Sailor Moon coming on Next thing. You know, girl, what is you doing? And I'm like dancing.
Speaker 4:I guess I'm trying to like grow my hair out like I'm Sailor Moon and I'm bending my back as if I'm transforming. Oh God that brought back memories, but it felt like that's a transformer, yeah, but yeah, transformers. I thought it was really cool when I remember it now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like there was like some really good hits, like man, like you know what, I need to hop into DeLorean and go back in time and try to remember some of the shows that I watched during that era, because there's a lot that I'm putting on the uh calendar for next year, in 2025, and going forward like. So I'm definitely gonna go back down memory lane to bring up some reviews where I'm like all right, y'all, here's something that came from the back of my mind, like one of those very memories of like, hey, yo, for real, not for real, mj, I'm gonna be like y'all remember Generator, rex or Secret Saturdays and, yeah, like shows where, like damn, it's been a hot ass minute since I heard anybody heard exactly like. And shows where, like, damn, it's been a hot-ass minute since I heard anybody heard exactly like. It's time to talk about it.
Speaker 4:Yo.
Speaker 1:I am so surprised that some of these shows kind of fell off the way they did Some of them definitely had especially Secret Saturday man that show had that. The plot was sickening. I'm going to talk about it next year. I'm definitely going to talk about that one next year. Mj, you got anything to add on to any of these Transformers movies before we close this out?
Speaker 4:No, I think that's it.
Speaker 1:Very well then, mj, I do. That's it. Very well then, mj. I do thank you for being on the show. And to you, dear listener, I do thank you for listening to us ramble around to the end, even though we kind of did it on changes, as per usual. So you know what I'm going to close this up.
Speaker 1:I did have one guest that I wanted to bring on the show. But I'm like you know what, to do him fair justice, I'm gonna wait until we review the series and then I have mine, like you can say what you want to say about the movies. But for the most part it's like if I'm really feeling like, okay, yeah, you can kind of stay on for the whole miniseries, maybe like not just one part, then yes, ah, go ahead and talk about movies. But we're gonna talk about the anime series where you know, beast Wars, transformers, armada, transformers, energy, all that shit. We might get to that at some point. I just don't know when, but it will happen eventually. But until then, you remember to stay nerdy and that great things are coming. You go ahead and have yourself a good morning, good afternoon and good night, but, most importantly, take it easy.
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