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The Promised Neverland: From Promising Premise to Lackluster Landing
What if "The Promised Neverland" and "Attack on Titan" exist in a shared universe where walled communities and monstrous threats intertwine? Brace yourself for a mind-bending journey as we explore this tantalizing theory, linking two of anime's most compelling worlds. We challenge the status quo and invite you to ponder the implications of such an interconnected storyline, as we dissect the grim reality faced by the children of Grace Field House and the overarching moral complexities that shape their universe.
This episode isn't just about speculation; it’s a critical examination of storytelling decisions and character dynamics between the anime and manga of "The Promised Neverland." We praise the first season's gripping tension and dissect the second season's missteps, diving into Emma’s idealistic leadership and Norman’s pragmatic strategies. Our conversation draws comparisons with shows like "Once Upon a Time," emphasizing how redemption arcs and character motivations can make or break a narrative. If you're new to the series, consider our advice on selective viewing for a more satisfying experience.
Our discussion doesn’t shy away from critiquing the portrayal of characters like Isabella, whose villainy is as nuanced as it is chilling. We reflect on missed opportunities, such as Phil's potential arc and Isabella's unrealized escape plans, while weighing the merits of straightforward evil depicted in the series. With a touch of humor, we also take on Ray's dramatic tendencies and his unique birth memory. Whether you're a fan of the anime, manga, or both, join us as we unravel the layers of this captivating story, rating its execution and creative potential with a discerning eye.
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Hey yo, mirror Jane. So you're back from your birthday vacation and in recognition of that, I was thinking, you know what? Let's go ahead and talk about the Promised Neverland. Because, first of all, that theory that you had about Promised Neverland and Attack on Titan being connected Even though officially they're not but it really got me thinking though, like what if we had a story like that? But before we get into all that, let's actually talk about promise neverland. Since we already did attack on titan, we might as well do promise neverland at this point. So promise neverland.
Speaker 1:Essentially, my impression of promise neverland is that you have a bunch of kids that, like you're thinking orphaned or whatnot, and they're being raised by this woman and you're thinking like, okay, well, it seems quaint, like nothing suspicious right now. But you know, they do their little Quizzes and tests to see how smart they are and Once they become of age, you know, like the maximum be like 12 years old. Some of them get shipped off Um sooner than that. It really depends On your grades. Uh, here's the thing the kids find out that the kids either get sent off to get eaten by demons or, as we progress further into the story, they might grow up to be the very people that send these kids off as lambs to the slaughter. And I'm gonna be honest with you, everything. Season one like okay, they had me in the first half, not gonna lie like promised neverland made me feel like I appreciate the way the anime for Prison School a little more, because here's the deal Prison School, the anime, the way it ended good, but if you know the manga and I talked to Cookie Goss about this when we did the review on Prison School already if you know the manga and I talked to Koki about this when we did the review on Prison School already if you're listening to this, check out Prison School whenever you want to our review on it. Or if you actually want to watch the anime, just watch the anime. That's all I'll say, because I'm going to be honest with you. With the manga it goes downhill right after the where they left off in the anime. So in that aspect I'm like, okay, I appreciate prison school more for ending the anime. Uh, at the best part of the whole story With Promised Neverland, I'm sitting here like why they do this in season two, because it was like, okay, they finally escaped, right, and they need to figure out how we're gonna rescue the rest of the kids that were left behind, because you know the kids under four couldn't go because you know's limitations and whatnot.
Speaker 1:And it gets to a point to where, yes, they're trying to rescue the kids but emma, our lead protagonist, is trying to be like, okay, well, what do we try to save? Everybody else, like even the demons. But here's the thing, like with Emma I think Emma is arguably the worst part about Promised Neverland, because the whole thing is, what I love about Promised Neverland is the shades of gray that was in this story of gray, that was in this story to where, like with isabella, is he really the bad guy when, ultimately, what she, she did, what she had to do to survive, even uh had ray, because, keep in mind, ray is her son. Uh, keep in mind uh, she did all what she could just to survive in this world a little longer, because she could have been one of those kids that got gobbled up by demons.
Speaker 1:But is there really a? It's almost like there could be a main antagonist, but at the same time there's not a real conventional antagonist, not really a mustache twirling bad guy. It's more like you have either the kids they die young and hopeful and unknowing of how the world works, or they. You grow old enough to realize how things work and you gotta pray that you don't become the very monster that you're sending the kids off to get eaten by. It's like Jesus Christ. It get a little crazy in the manga. The manga is better, especially the points where Norman bro, I fucking love Norman.
Speaker 2:I loved him, my thing is with season 1.
Speaker 1:it made me feel Norman. I fucking love Norman In the manga. I loved him Like see, my thing is with season one. It made me feel it was like a whole chess game where the kids had to like be a few steps ahead of Isabella, and I loved it the way it started out.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, it was so good, that was so good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you're thinking like okay, like Isabella kind. Yeah, like you're thinking like okay, like Isabella kind of like outsmarted them in a way, like okay, I thought a lot of that, this and that. But then uh, no, excuse me, uh Emma, norman and Ray, they had this whole plan where it's like they didn't lose, uh, hope, win. They thought uh, okay, between uh Isabella kind of snapping uh emma's leg, you know kind of make an example out of her shit oh, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2:That was the part where I like I think that's when it set in for me like this is real yeah because, like what, at some point it started to kind of feel like, okay, the kids are gonna get away.
Speaker 2:Okay, like I don't know why, I started to feel like she wasn't as bad as an adult, like she wouldn't hurt them to that extent, right, because I, you know, they're protect, they should be protected, right, these are kids who are supposed to grow up, because they're going to be the best meals and all this stuff. So I was like, okay, there's no way she's going to like actually hurt them, right, see it happen. And like I know you heard the snap like yeah oh my god, the emphasis they put on that snap.
Speaker 2:That was like this this is the worst anime I've ever. This is the best, worst anime I've ever seen in my life. Oh my god, this is Literally. I could not believe.
Speaker 1:It's almost. It's almost on the same level, I want to say like a few notches underneath the levels of Fuck those Kids compared to Made in Abyss bitch. Have you seen that one?
Speaker 2:I haven't seen that one, but I've, oh man, okay, like I won't say like it.
Speaker 1:Okay, it gets dark, it gets surprisingly dark. It's like, imagine, like I don't even know you've seen this one either, but uh, if you're familiar with, uh, madoka magica yes yeah, okay okay, okay, check this out. Imagine where, like it looks cute on the outside, but once you dive into the story you're like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:it's one of those. Oh yeah, okay yeah I'm down yeah madoka magica scared the living daylights out of me like I remember the first time I watched that because I was happy.
Speaker 1:I was watching it all like yay, they're gonna be magical girls and oh, that little creature the thing is, it's like it's almost like the story's kind of telling you it's up by the title to where the deeper um, the main characters go down into the abyss trying to save the main characters, mother, we'll do a review on it when we get there okay, okay, okay, okay but the deeper you go down there, the darker it gets to a point to where I'm like oh yeah, it's almost like Tower of God, but in reverse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get it. Yeah, I'm going to have to watch that. But In regards to like Emma, I get it. You're not wrong. Emma kind of second season, she really got on my nerves. But that first season I had a lot of hope for Emma because Emma was like yeah she was the only one who was like the constant happiness and hope.
Speaker 2:So when her leg got broken and then she was like depressed for a while but then it kind of okay. Okay, I have a question when did you realize that like all of this was part of like norman's plan?
Speaker 1:honestly, it's right. When they got up to the wall and as soon as they kind of convinced ray where it's like all right, norman, you got me it was like okay yeah, we got my thing out.
Speaker 2:Hold on like norman thought of everything like norman legit because like he even planned the, the separation between them. Because that's when I was like no, listen, listen, mj listen okay, you remember when I said that promised neverland.
Speaker 1:The anime would have went on way better if season two never happened. Can you imagine if, like, it just ended with season one and we're just assuming norman got killed off and he's like damn like, and technically it's like, from that point when they did the whole escape plan, it's almost like norman is there, but he's not there. Yeah, I'm like that would be been so more impactful. I literally.
Speaker 2:I recommend this anime to people. You can't watch the second season, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah just pretend we're going to be like Black Butler, season 2. We're going to be like the last couple episodes of Blue Exorcist, season 1. But hey, pretend that don't exist. That don't exist, that don't matter listen like I.
Speaker 2:I have to tell people don't just act like, because you know, trying to get people who don't typically watch anime into anime. This is something I will suggest to like. You know, the girlies who watch serial killer stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, this is great for that the kind of girlies that um be listening to the true crime podcast absolutely like that's.
Speaker 2:I'd be like, hey, you like true crime how to get away with murder type shit or either, uh, like bailey, syrian, like she'd be telling she'd do makeup and tell really crazy stories. I was like, okay, so if you like that, you're gonna like promise, never let, but don't watch season two. Just stop the season one and you're gonna love it. And at that point we'll have another conversation about other anime you should watch but let me tell you about the manga, to where?
Speaker 1:here's the thing, whether it's the seat, whether it's season two of the anime or the month, I think the manga did it better.
Speaker 1:But my main problem with Emma is, yes, like you said, she's like the hope, the leader, the natural charisma of the gang. But here's the thing. I got two problems with her really. But the second problem is more like a byproduct of the first problem. The main problem, it's more like a byproduct of the first problem. The main problem, the main problem is, unlike norman, who understands the world to a point to where he has to exercise some shades of gray, to where he makes the tough choice, um, because no one else will like, he'll um, calculate that out to where it's like, yeah, like you may not like it all the way through, but this is like the most optimal choice, like even shows, like in the manga, where eventually it's almost like I kind of knew norma was going to be like low-key, the antagonist, but not really the bad guy, but more like he's going to eventually oppose emma in a sense, like I kind of knew that. But the way, even then it was like my main problem with Emma is that, unlike everybody else, where you kind of get this idea that this is like one of those stories that are this like shades of gray, kind of like what happened with Attack on Titan, to where you're thinking there was like a main antagonist, up until you realize that the protagonist is the antagonist and a whole bunch of rigmarole to where it's like there's no real conventional antagonist, more like the circumstances in their world is what caused all this. It's almost like. It's almost like it's hard to hold anybody honestly, but uh, promised neverland. So I keep it towards that.
Speaker 1:To where, while norman doesn't mind exercising like treading the shades of gray, emma was more like seeing things black or white, like either good or bad and whatnot, and her poison is her naivety. To where she believed that she can save everyone, even the demons. And here's the funny thing. That was the main problem. Here's the second problem that, um, the first problem problem bleeds into.
Speaker 1:Whenever she's like let's do this, the other kids are like, yeah, let's do it. But here's the thing at one point emma was like all right, check this out, let's kill all. But here's the thing at one point Emma was like all right, figure this out, let's kill all the demons, so even the ones that saved the kids like, yeah, let's kill all the demons. And I'm like they didn't even think about that. They that's what I don't like about the other children to a point where they didn't even think about, well, what about the demons that helped us out? Like they didn't even none of them. Mom brought that up. It's like yep, let's kill them all because emma said so. And then emma was like, hey, you know what, let's save everyone, even the demons. Like, let's save them all.
Speaker 2:And then the kids like, yeah, let's say mom, but wait, hold on you, because not everybody can be reasoned with like that not everybody is redeemable especially that ratry dude like where he's off himself just for his own ideals you know what this kind of remind me of and oddly, oddly enough, it's another like kind of fairy tale name. You remember that series where it was like they basically brought the fairy tales to life. It was like a CBS series.
Speaker 1:Once Upon a Time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, once Upon a Time, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 1:Okay. I was thinking hold on, hold on, hold on, yeah, yeah, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 2:So what's her? The, the supposedly lead villain in the first season. Right, we get so many redemption arcs of her that I'm like she's irredeemable, like she's evil just let her stay evil, like why, and it's only one person who's like, listen y'all, she gonna keep doing it.
Speaker 1:I don't know who said it, but there was like one parody video that I watched. Like I forgot who said it, but damn, he made a very good point to where it was like why is it always like lately we just be writing villains with feelings when I'm like sometimes bad guys just be bad guys, like hey man, i'm'm pure evil, I got no shame in my game. Like it's almost like we're always trying to talk no juice to these villains. I mean, it's one thing when it's like every now and then like every now and then like okay, cool, cool, cool. But then it's like when it, when everybody does it, then it's not special anymore. It's almost like you're making it sound like nobody's really the bad guy. So everybody should be forgiven and we just pretend that this guy didn't like murder your family or some type shit and like you know he, he's just a part of his environment, like he just grew up with bad parents. You got to understand. I don't know why.
Speaker 2:No excuse, listen. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Emma is literally the person who's writing these stories Like. I'm convinced that she has to be the one who's like everyone's redeemable no no no, and I miss those villains who were just sincerely evil. And that's the thing about the demons and promisers they are evil, like all of them. They all have to eat, right?
Speaker 1:except for the one. Yeah, yeah, like they all have to mainly the brains. Well, except for the ones. Yeah, yeah, they all have to Mainly the brains, because that's the best part, according to them. But there's some that was like Nah, we're not going to eat humans, we'll eat animals, but not humans.
Speaker 2:But they all have to hunt and eat.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so since they all hunting and eating.
Speaker 2:there's no way to like redeem the qualities that they've borne into Like it sucks, but survivors are the fittest man. Y'all gotta go.
Speaker 1:And also you gotta keep in mind that they said to themselves that this has been going on for a thousand Years. So I'm like it got to a point To where, even if you Try to Persuade all the demons to be like hey yo, like there could be a better way. I'm like some things are so Ingrained into tradition To a point to where I'm like you. You can't just expect everybody to be like, oh well, let's just turn over a new leaf, just because this little girl said so, that's her problem. And like you got to understand like look, here's your ticket to the human world. Like I like how they get in the human world and it's like new york city. Just immediately I'm like okay, cool, whatever. But I'm just sitting here like hey, look, look, here's your ticket out of here, just go. Like you, you don't, it don't have to be your problem anymore. Like listen, you saved all the kids that you can't like she should have went about.
Speaker 1:It was like hey, man, I got my hope, you get yours oh my god.
Speaker 2:No, she should have, she really should have, because emma and I think that that was, I think emma felt like if she gave up the fact no, what she really should did it was be like a william minerva 2.0.
Speaker 1:That would have been better. It's like hey, yo give them instructions, give the other kids instructions to get to the human world.
Speaker 2:Then if you did it like that, I I want to say shit to you well, I can't like, okay, okay, we, we done skipped the smartest kid in the story, the baby, the little baby boy.
Speaker 1:Are you talking about Phil?
Speaker 2:Phil.
Speaker 1:Uh-oh, nah. Listen, in a way I think Phil got holed because it's almost like they gave him the Gohan treatment, where you set him up to be like Ray 2.0. Oh yeah, he's going to be the one that's going to help the four and over like get up out of there and all that we're gonna have like a sequel to pro. That went on and then it felt like he, especially season two. It felt like he didn't go anywhere with it but he did a little bit more in the manga. So I'm like okay, but even then I'm like they kind of did set that kid up to like be a main player, but it's almost like his potential was a little squander a little bit.
Speaker 2:It seems like the the artist didn't exactly know what else to do because you also got. We also have norman right and norman is listen in the manga he is that nigger. Okay, I love Norman's logic. Norman got there, he went through some stuff and he was like, yeah, we need to kill them. All they are. All of them need to die.
Speaker 1:And I agreed with him wholeheartedly and can I also say, before I forget how I also don't like how season two. The main problem with season two is the pacing to where they skipped over a lot of shit.
Speaker 2:That happened in the manga like very important arcs oh, yeah, also okay, and can you tell me if I'm wrong? When I was reading the manga, it seemed like Norman aged in the manga but not in the anime. Am I, am I mixing that up, or did he not age in both?
Speaker 1:No, they aged up a little bit. That's the thing. It's like the manga paced it a little better to where, like, okay, they grew up like maybe like a year or so, whereas, like, they survived a little better. To where they grew up maybe like a year or so, whereas they survived a little bit. But that's the problem with season 2, to where they rushed it so fast, to where they felt, look, isabella was supposed to die in the manga. She's still alive in the anime. So that's big until they rushed it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know why she's alive.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like she should have been got 8.
Speaker 1:Because not to say that he deserved it, but more like I just appreciate the whole Koro Sensei type send-off, you know.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, she deserved it though, yeah, yeah, no, no, she deserved it.
Speaker 1:I mean once again, I feel for her, I do, I feel for her.
Speaker 2:I do, I feel for her, because the other thing too is like she could have been the first one to, just even if she just would have escaped over, like across the border, right, like she was smart enough, she realized there's a way to get out right, because can we just talk about how fast that she could run? Because she really, she really could run, but she knew exactly where to go, where the end of the forest was, because she had already been there before yeah, because she tried to escape before.
Speaker 1:But and also you gotta consider, um, well, no, because the timeline would have been a little too crazy on that, because I'm like trying to think like uh, with her training to be a mother and you know, eventually she became a grandma. Uh, I can only imagine that she was trained to in. In the case of, oh what if those kids wonder, I'll be like, oh no, they can't know the truth, I got it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I got to run after these kids.
Speaker 2:Like I think they can't know the truth, right. But then also I don't know Isabella kind of I feel for her, but I feel like she deserved it. I don't know Isabella kind of I feel for her, but I feel like she deserved it.
Speaker 1:No, you see in episode one, the look on her face when Emma and Ray were trying to Well, no, it was Emma and Norman. They were trying to give Connie her I think it was like a bear or a rabbit or something like that the stuffed toy bag. And you know, it happened when it happened, right, mm-hmm, isabella's fucking face when she found that stuffed toy. I'm like, oh no, they know, somebody knows something.
Speaker 2:Bro, I ain't going even lie. That first episode is iconic. That is an iconic first episode because at first I'm gonna be honest with you I got tricked. I believed that everything was happy. I thought it was gonna be like an attack on the village. You know that's what I was going to be like an attack on the village. You know, that's what I was thinking. I was like okay, promise never lands.
Speaker 2:Or you could say the promise that never lands you stupid, you dumb, but like legit, I thought that they were going to be attacked or something. And then no, no, they eat kids. What do you mean? They eating kids? And those demons were hideous, bro, like they were heinous the way they talked about them, the kids.
Speaker 1:Now hold on, hold on. I'm sorry, but before I forget, I can't let this slide. It's bad enough that Sister Chrome like for the most part okay, she wanted to take over the plant, overthrow Isabelle and whatnot. Okay, whatever, right, I can't let that character design slide the plant overthrow Isabelle and whatnot.
Speaker 2:Okay, whatever right.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, I can't let that character design slide Like why they got her looking like Aunt Jemima, and it don't even help that they literally have a little girl named Jemima in this show. I People were having a field day about her design back on Twitter back when I promised Neverland was brand new to where. I'm like, are we going to talk about this? You know, like cause um Manga could get something against black people while they design their lives.
Speaker 2:You know, I think you ain't wrong against black people while they design their lives. I think you ain't wrong. She did look like she did.
Speaker 1:No, because I literally, when I first saw this anime and I saw her for the first time, I said to you, not MJ. I went into the kitchen and grabbed a bottle of maple syrup just to see if I'm tripping MJ. I went into the kitchen and grabbed a bottle of maple syrup just to see if I'm tripping right, and I'm like they literally made this woman look like Aunt Jemima for some reason.
Speaker 2:They did Listen. I didn't really uh. I didn't like her at all, though, but I think I don't know why she had to be black.
Speaker 1:though you brought up a good point, and now I'm stuck and also when she runs like Isabella, it was like okay, it's like more graceful, more like kind of like a, a dain, a assassin yeah, yeah but with Sister Crone, like I'm imagining, miss Trunchbull from Matilda barreling at someone, oh hell no like that's scary enough, like not even listen.
Speaker 1:Like at least with Isabella it is like okay, if she sneak up on you it's over, but with sister crone it's almost like, I don't know. Like I'm sorry, but god damn that, especially like when, like please don't stop stop that smiling because, like sometimes, sometimes when she like smiling, it's like sleepy for some reason. Like you know, when she's smiling it's creepy for some reason. When she's smiling from ear to ear, it's almost like she got that Joker Smile on her face From the cartoons. I'm like what the hell I? They literally made this woman Look like a character Of black people and I'm like you don't last long, so I'm gonna let slide yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2:I mean, I also kind of looked at it as this, this the way. The way I looked at it at the time, I was like the reason there wasn't a lot of black kids is because I'm pretty sure they either all already escaped and said we're not going back to get nobody. Nope, forget them. And the ones who did it like I feel like she was the last one, she was the last one one.
Speaker 1:She was the last one, bro, the one who didn't know mj. I don't like the implications, because that kind of make it sound like some um free slavery type situations where uh the blacks uh escape to the north, to the human world, so to speak. You know, like I just said, how they get to the human world and you see new york city and that's in the north. So you're like thinking like, oh yeah, all the black kids already escaped up in there because, like I don't know, we gonna be running around um being eaten up by demons. Like fuck all that.
Speaker 2:I'm like all right bro, I feel like that's what happened. I feel like they all escaped man just tell me. Tell me that, okay. So let's talk about this too. The book, the guy who set this up initially, right? Who made all the the little owl pictures and the plans right he was black. Yep, yep, he was black because underground railroad Hello, it's black history month. I feel like we need to give honor where honor is due.
Speaker 1:He was black. I hate that. You're working in black history month and something that I put and I'm doing something else, Like you know. I'm doing something else, Like you know. I'm sorry, I was going to do like something For Black History Month In a later review, but I'm like I'm kind of hating that you're making that. I'm kind of like that. Hold on when you put it that way.
Speaker 2:I mean, she was the last one. Okay, that's all I'm saying. I feel like, and I feel like she didn't even she wasn't the last one in the sense of like, oh, she got left behind. No, she was the last one, because she chose to stay. She was, you know, one of them, other people, you know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:They not like us.
Speaker 2:You know I'm done.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna shut up.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna quit talking.
Speaker 1:But no, no, for real, though I'm kind of gonna go ahead and close this out. Let's go ahead and dive into that theory that you had to where. What if probably Neverland Attack on Titan was connected Although officially no, but AO, it got me thinking what if there was a story that kind of fused that in a sense to where? What if it was like a story to where, yeah, kids are growing up in this world where there's like some demons or monsters are roaming around and they could get eaten and whatnot, and essentially these humans gotta live in these gated communities or whatever they're gonna use, and eventually, uh, some kids wander off and they kind of get like a brush of death, like they don't really die but like eventually it kind of accounts for these monsters and whatnot, and later down the line you realize that these monsters are actually human, but somewhere along the lines they were like human experimentation and all that shit and it's essentially like a whole thing and I'm like you know, if executed right, I would watch that.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think that's what where the theory kind of stemmed from right is, because when you look at Attack on Titan and then you think about the fact that the Titans, of course they eat people, right? Not only that, but the communities are surrounded by walls, promised Neverland. The children are isolated in an orphanage surrounded by walls.
Speaker 1:Promised Neverland, the children are isolated in an orphanage surrounded by walls. Yeah, it's like it kind of looks similar. That's why I'm like, okay, I'm not going to completely dismiss your theory, because, yeah, it kind of feels like, if the timeline was right, to where the Promised Neverland predates Attack on Titan, or is it the reverse. So I'm like, okay, I can kind of see that, but I want to say, geographically and also lore wise, I'm like it wouldn't mix, because you know, it's implying that there's two different worlds where attack of titan is more like implied that, yeah, because of um, experimentations and whatnot, they just became titan shifters and it was like only one world.
Speaker 2:So I'm gonna say okay, so like so, if you can, if you consider the your mere fritz thing, like if you consider that part accurate, right, and you consider the fact that she met a thing and the thing gave her powers or whatever. So she ends up becoming the first titan from this, from being genetically altered by this thing. What we know when we get to the end Of Attack on Titan. Now we do, because when I came up with this theory, and to be fair.
Speaker 1:And to be fair Like okay, they wouldn't have the technology To go up against the demons In Promised Neverland, but, however, the technology for Attack on Titan has always been there for a while, like there wasn't really a timeline on when exactly they created the weapons. That's what I'm saying Neverland could have predated Attack on Titan.
Speaker 2:It could possibly be a prequel, because we only know so much Like. And then then also you gotta think about it the founding family cut themselves off hmm, okay.
Speaker 2:So, like when they cut themselves off, we don't know who was mating with who. We don't know how they were surviving. What if Promise Neverland yes, it's in the same, if my theory and my theory they're in the same universe. But what if these are, like some of the kids and some of the people, are descendants of those same families, but in the sense of the fact that they don't even talk. They don't want to talk about it, they don't want to talk about the history of it because they want to keep it secret.
Speaker 2:But they try to feed the demons, the, the titans. They're trying to feed them to keep them at bay from attacking their community, right? So this is just a subsection that's happening over here now, with promise neverland ending with them escaping into, like the human world. Quote unquote right, that's just when aaron came and he did his job, okay, so they created the human world long enough, or, in a conjecture, enough for Emma, norman and Rey to make it to the human world. You get what I'm saying. That's my theory. But that was a lot of popcorn and sitting up late at night watching Promised Neverland and then going to watch Attack on Titan. But that's not the point.
Speaker 2:Jesus Christ, that point a lot of spent a lot of time watching those two shows back to back, but that's kind of where the theory stemmed from is the fact that they both have the same type of issues to deal with. They both, uh, needed to find a way to somewhat coexist and then not coexist, right. So the, the adult humans in promised neverland, found a way to quote unquote coexist. They're like okay, they're raising us to work for them.
Speaker 1:Okay, we, we, I guess, because they need food, right, but but I don't like the implication that, okay, um, it went from let's feed them, let's feed the monsters, the humans, so they'll leave the rest of us alone, to where you get to attack on Titan. And now it's to a point to where, no, no, no, you know what? Fuck all that. We're not gonna take this anymore. Let's take all these monsters and push them somewhere else.
Speaker 2:Bro. I feel like that's why Emma never would have made it.
Speaker 1:Never would have made it, never would have made it.
Speaker 2:You did not bring Marvin Sapp into this.
Speaker 1:Oh my god oh my god bro it's one of those songs where your folks just keep blasting it every morning and it just bleeds into your memory. I'm like you just when you hear the words. It's like just tricking.
Speaker 2:Mm-mm, mm-mm, no.
Speaker 1:But no, for real, though, that would be a that's a crazy theory to where it's like the two stories blend together well enough to where it could work. It could, it could, it could really work. Yeah, if done right, it could work. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It would take a lot to be done, right? I ain't gonna even lie, it would take a lot. Now let's let's talk about please don't milk it.
Speaker 1:Like they did a tackle time to where, like I got so fucking sick of the way they segmented that final season to where I'm like you're telling me that there's gonna be like three parts to the final season and then the final season. The final part of the final season had two fucking parts.
Speaker 2:That was stupid. So let's be honest Armin is a descendant of Emma, because obviously, okay. Okay, mikasa is obviously a descendant of Ray's, okay, and Aaron is obviously Norman. Okay, he just passed that anger down, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:That man was fed up. Okay, he passed it on on down. That's why Aaron daddy was the way he was. I feel like, I feel like it works out.
Speaker 1:I really thought about this, but um is there anything else you want to add on um?
Speaker 2:no, I think that's, I think that's it. I think that's all I really have to say okay, um, I'm trying to think did we talk about the ending? Oh, I mean I mean not even the ending. You know, though, when they attack the village part. Do you remember that cause?
Speaker 1:that's the part where. I started tuning it out cause I was like this is stupid yeah, not gonna lie, I kinda tuned it out to a point where it just felt like it was just Emma talking on Jisoo, her way to through the whole thing, like yeah that's when I was like, I'm just gonna read the manga.
Speaker 1:I was like that part got on my nerves, but other than that, that was it yeah, honestly, I kind of regret watching it season 2 before the manga, because I read the manga to see what I heard the manga did.
Speaker 1:A read the manga, just see what. Uh, I was like because I heard the manga did a little better and I'm like, well, I kind of hate that season two did the way it did, where it's like it just got to the ending of it, just rushed to the manga ending, where it's like the rest of it was more like a clip show in a sense, where it's like, okay, this happened and that happened, that happened and eventually they passed through the gate and it's over. And I'm like it's almost like the people producing the anime knew that they didn't want to continue with season three or beyond. So it's like, yeah, let's just squeeze in as much of the rest of the story as we can. So it's like just cut some corners here and there it'll be alright it's fine, but yeah, that's pretty much how we feel about promised neverland.
Speaker 1:If it was just season 1, I would say 5 out of 5 stars, but as a whole, including the manga, mmm 3.5 between the plot direction and the fact that we had Emma as a main character you know the character that we were following it just as a main character as a you know the character that we were following. Uh, it just felt like, like I said, it was the problems that never land. Like, honestly, it would be a lot better if the story was more focused on Norman. Oh yeah, oh, hold on, hold on. To be fair, I got to mention I knew I was forgetting something. Ray bro, I'm kinda getting sick of these Sasuke clones where. I'm like what's up with these Sasuke clones Always wanna off themselves as a last resort type shit? You know who kinda said that Megumi from Jujutsu Kaisen Always trying to crash out as a last resort. Like bro, you don't have to resort to that every goddamn time.
Speaker 2:It's almost like Gray loves that too. In fact, he's always trying to do it.
Speaker 1:It's like, imagine, it's like that one dude in your crew where any minor inconvenience happened and then next thing you know he's trying to flash the nine. You know the gun to flat um the nine. You know the gun where I was like should we kill him? I'm like no, we don't have to. Why you always? Resort to that option there's no option like jesus christ violence isn't always the answer.
Speaker 2:I just want to put that out there for for my best friend, if you, if you listen to this violence, it's not always the answer, but I love you, I love the protection.
Speaker 1:We can be at home. He was prepared to light himself on fire, just to not give the demons the satisfaction of eating him. And then Norma was like you, dumb bastard, you just followed the plan, you didn't even have to do all that see, see.
Speaker 2:That's why I said no you know what I?
Speaker 1:I took that into account. I knew you were gonna do something stupid like that.
Speaker 2:So see, that's why I said eric is a descendant. He didn't get the smarts, okay, but let your friends know that they didn't being stupid, absolutely he got it.
Speaker 1:I still, yeah, like because you know, at that point, when he was ready to risk it all, and then you find out that Emma had this whole plan to where like okay, before you do all that, just follow this plan that Norman written down, and then everything makes sense later. And then everything, uh, makes sense later. And then, like I said, when they finally got up to the wall and they were just ready to like um zip line down to the other side, and then norman was like I mean, that was when ray was like all right, norman, you got me.
Speaker 2:Like hey, I'm impressed alright, norman, you knew what you was doing, bro come on man.
Speaker 2:I'm the one who planned everything from the start, like, but I did think it was really cool because they touched on a very unique thing in this anime that isn't touched on a lot and that's Rey's ability to remember from when he was born. Like that's actually a thing there's. There's like that's actually a, a medical thing, where some babies can remember, like when they were born and what, like the first things they saw, their, their parents, like they can recall that. That joke is crazy. You know what?
Speaker 1:Crazy enough. There's just some memories that I'm better off not remembering. Because I'm like I just kind of don't want to imagine literally when I was being pushed out the womb.
Speaker 2:I don't know about that, I don't even know, I think.
Speaker 1:I think when they're out, I think they remember the out part oh, okay, okay yeah, but no even then I'm like you know yeah, oh I kind of would want to.
Speaker 2:That would have been kind of cool so I could tell my mama how crazy she looked. Yeah, she, yeah, that would have been kind of funny for me but it would be.
Speaker 1:It would be like some stewie griffin type shit to where, like I'm trying to have a intelligent conversation with you but all you're hearing from all the the parent is hearing a whole bunch of babbling, but in your point of view it's like you're having a completely intelligent conversation and I'm like I'm trying to reveal the secrets of life to you.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying yeah, I was trying to drop some knowledge on you, but you, you just don't. You're dumb cause I think in Stewie's mind everyone else is dumb except him yeah, but Because I think in Stewie's mind everyone else is dumb except him. Yeah, but yeah, I did think that was really cool. Promised Neverland did some things that I hadn't seen before, and like they've kind of pushed the whole trope thing to its. They pushed the tropes and I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, like I said, as a concept I liked it, but the execution could have been better.
Speaker 2:It could have the anime, for sure could have been better. Even the manga too. There were some things, but what's your rating?
Speaker 1:it yeah, I'm still sticking with 3.5 as a whole. It just didn't stick. The landing at the end, like it just kind of felt like yeah, like I just felt like emma just wasn't challenging enough. It was like that everybody just kind of like rolled over whenever emma was like no, we'll do it this way.
Speaker 2:I'm like okay, I'm like really, really I'm gonna give. Okay, I'm like really dog Really.
Speaker 2:I'm going to give it a solid B, like I'm going to give it a solid B Because, yeah, 3.5. It's a solid B. I liked it, I enjoyed it, it was great. It's something that I would go back and watch the first season again. I would actually go back and watch all of the first season and probably feel the exact same way that I felt about it the first time I watched it. So I give it a solid B. I think it's great. Most people would not say that is a good intro anime, but I think it's a good one.
Speaker 1:It's a great anime. It's more like I would really recommend Promised Neverland if I catch a set. And yo, I just got recommend Promised Neverland if I catch a set. Ayo, I just got around to watching Tattletail and I think it was great. I'm like oh yeah, you like Tattletail? Alright, cool, Check out Promised Neverland, but don't watch season 2. Just keep it at season 1. You'll probably like it better for that yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's all we gotta say. So, miracle Jam, I do thank you for being on the show and until next time you take it easy and we'll be back for more nerdy news and reviews.
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