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Yashahime: A Step Back from Inuyasha's Legacy
Can sequels ever truly capture the magic of their predecessors, or are they destined to fall short? Join us as we reminisce about the enchanting world of Inuyasha, a series that nostalgically defined the childhood of many 90s kids, similar to how Demon Slayer grips today's audience. We explore the legacy continued by Yashahime, the next chapter carrying on the adventures with Towa, Setsuna, and Moroha. Our conversation is laced with both appreciation and critique, as we unravel the charm of returning to a beloved universe while expressing our mixed feelings about Yashahime's narrative execution and character development.
A significant part of our discussion delves into the complex character relationships within these series. We tackle the controversial dynamics between Sesshomaru and Rin, exploring the discomfort around age differences and drawing comparisons to other notable anime couples like Inuyasha and Kagome. There's a heightened focus on how these relationships impact the story and audience perceptions, especially when pondering Sesshomaru's unexpected role as a father and the absence of Inuyasha and Kagome from their daughter's life. These narrative choices open a broader conversation about cultural influences and storytelling norms in anime.
Balancing nostalgia with fresh narratives is no easy feat, as evidenced by the challenges sequels like Yashahime, Boruto, and even cinematic continuations like Coming to America face. We candidly express our frustrations with sequels that struggle to capture the original series' depth and character complexity. Despite this, there's a shared gratitude for the nostalgic return to the world of Inuyasha, even as we long for the magic that made it unforgettable the first time around. Join us as we navigate the delicate dance of honoring original fans while inviting a new generation into these cherished stories.
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hey, yo callie. You remember when we talked about inuyasha a while back and how we fucking love inuyasha, where it was like demon slayer for 90s kids. We watching inuyasha learning these different techniques with the test saiga, his relationship with kagome, moroku, songo, shippo, all them. Uh, we would talk about naraka and all that. It had all that sauce, especially in the first two seasons. And then we flash forward into Yasuhime now, and I'm sitting here like this is one of those sequels that I don't know if it needed to be made. But I'm like, see, it reminds me of how, with boruto, like I don't hate boruto, but at the same time, if you told me it just ended at shippuden, where you know, uh, the four seasons, you know me, war was over, uh, naruto had his final fight with sasuke, everything reconciled, he became hokage, he got married to Hinata and all that shit and it just ended there. I'm like, perfect, beautiful. But with Boruto you're like, ah, I don't hate you, but I don't know why you need to hate me. But uh, at least with two blue vortexes, like okay, at least with the accent kind of picking up. So I'm going to give it a chance when we do the review later. But sticking to Yashihime here, let's just go ahead and zone in on this.
Speaker 1:So Yashihime, it's an anime series that's sequel to the beloved Uni-Yasha series Created by Rumiko Takahashi, following the adventure of the next generation of characters and feud with Japan With demons, magic, time travel, all that type stuff. Following the adventure of the next generation of characters and feudal japan with demons, magic, time travel, all that type stuff. And we get introduced to toa, sesuna and moriha as the main protagonist. Uh, toa and sesuna are twin daughters of shomaru and reen, while moriha is the daughter of Inuyasha and Kagome. Now, let me stop right there.
Speaker 1:Toa, she's okay, but at the same time I kind of don't like how we don't get a whole lot of depth or at least some visual backstory on Toa. It's more like she was telling more than showing what her life was like. We didn't get to see how she grew up in the modern world. Did she have friends? Did she have a crush or something? Did she ever ran into Kagome's family in the present time? None of that. We got none of that.
Speaker 1:It just felt like she had potential in character, but it just felt like he had potential on a in character depth, but it just felt like well, I get to what I'm trying to get to. I get to this other thing now. Setsuna was raised in feudal Japan, so it was like a sister sister type deal to where twin sister, but they were living in different circumstances, like they didn't really grow up with each other. Well, they did for a little bit, but the thing was, setsuna lost her memories and that's pretty much the main plot for at least season one, where they're just trying to get her memories back. And then we have Moriha, who I say, is the lifeline of this whole series, where she has the most personality, and that's to be expected, of being Inuyasha and Kagome's daughter. But I don't like how she takes a backseat to all this shit, to where, for starters, she's considered the butt of the joke for a lot of gags, and then on top of that as soon as she like moves her pearl, whatnot, she becomes useless in battle.
Speaker 1:Like she. She had like a little um katana, of course, but then, like, for some reason, it's like she's just underperforming after she loses her pearl. But then again she also had the uh arrow kind of like with kagome. I'm like, okay, that's cool too. But what also pissed me off is how all these these three girls, they have these abilities but there's no explanation or backstory on how they got those abilities.
Speaker 1:You know, like with any yasha, where, yeah, he had like some abilities, um, right from on jump, but as we go along, he obtained the test saga. He learns winds, guard, backlash, wave, adamant, barrage, um, and all that other stuff. And it's like at least you uh got to see how you learned and mastered those techniques with them. It's almost like they were crushing it, like it was like some power rangers, sailor moon type shit, where it's like a monster of the week type thing to where most of these monsters are dead within one episode.
Speaker 1:I'm like, I mean, I guess it just kind of felt like I don't hate Yasuhime on it's own and I'm really not trying to make it sound like, oh, it's nothing without anyuyasha, but it just feels like it's so disconnected from what Inuyasha was about, especially at the end to where it just seemed like it had this Naruto Shippuden Duran Lugan level battle like in space and the type shit, and it was like spirits and all that and I was like what the flying fuck is going on around here, so I don't know. Um, maybe you can enlighten me. Like, how do you feel about yasha human? Did you feel anything different or is it like similar?
Speaker 3:um, I mean I kind of feel some of the same things that you do. I mean it is. It's one of those things, like I was telling you before, it's nice to see that it was a continuation. You know, we kind of get to see, you know, oh, kagome and Yasha have their kids, or Roku and Sango have kids. I mean obviously they show up too. Kohaku shows up also, and Yashahime as well. So it's nice to see a continuation, but as far as taking it seriously, it's kind of hard. I feel like it was really rushed too. Like I said, they could have fleshed it out. I mean I know Inuyasha had. I mean they did have fleshed it out. I mean I know Inuyasha had. I mean they did have some fillers. But Inuyasha, the original series was 167 episodes and then when they finally finished it up, they did Final Act, which was 26. So you know it was about 200 or so episodes when they finally wrapped everything up. This was only what 26 episodes total.
Speaker 3:And I was like, oh, like, oh, 38. Okay, how much did that? That's right? Yeah, oh, 48. Okay, my bad because, it was 24 each that's right. I'm so used to the 13 and 26 kind of yeah the format, the usual format that they do.
Speaker 1:So I was thinking that's one thing I do appreciate about yashihime. Um, when it went back to the 24 episode season format, I'm like, okay, well, davies tried to flesh out the story, but even then it didn't kind of save the pacing and the lack of character depth and whatnot.
Speaker 3:But, um, go ahead, papa well you're fine, um, but yeah, that's what I feel like too, because we didn't really get to know much about Toa's life and the modern life Like you know what was going on with living with the Hikarasha family in there and even realizing if they had any sort of connection Like that's their. I mean, sota was her adoptive dad, but also that's like her uncle, I guess, on her mom's side. Yeah, because that'd be Aunt Kagome. I wish that they would have done more there. And I like Setsuna too, but Setsuna was such a flat character to me too I don't feel like she had as much depth either.
Speaker 3:Moriha, again, it's Inuyasha and Kagome's child, so she has a lot of potential. I thought it was interesting like she had to do like the like the rouge, or like put it on her lips and stuff like that for her to like use her power. But it's interesting to me that I think it was, um, it was inuyasha's mom's stuff, which is izayoi and she's. She was fully human and of course, moroha is only a quarter, since Inuyasha's half and Kagame's full human. You know, that's also like it's interesting that they're having to use the grandma's makeup for there to be any sort of like for her to kind of tap into her demon power. You know what little there might be that makes me think so essentially.
Speaker 1:Moroha is like the power. You know what little there might be. That makes me think so essentially. Uh uh. Moroha is like the pan of the inuyasha universe, you know, pan from all dragon ball oh yeah like the quarter saying oh yeah, so right, that's all right, but it's, we still got the representation.
Speaker 3:I'm a quarter, so I understand where where it's coming from having just that 25%, 25% different stuff. I'm just a quarter Japanese, but I really wanted more out of Yashihime. Like I said, it felt rushed but also there wasn't as much depth to all of the characters. We still got to see fun stuff seeing Mara run around, do her thing, be like a bounty hunter and the highlight of the entire series, I feel like, was her finally getting to like reunite with Inuyasha and Kagome after so long, apparently that I can't remember the exact like amount of years. What was it like? 10 years or something like that, that they were gone, or was it like her whole life?
Speaker 1:Pretty much like their whole life. That's a crazy part. Boraha was on her own the whole time and even when they do finally meet, it was like they kind of played up a little too cute, almost like they didn't. That's the weird part. It's how the girls were indifferent in meeting their parents. It was almost like it didn't really matter. It's a thing. It's almost like saying, even if you're on doing your own thing and I appreciate the anime or the manga, the story trying to make it so that way.
Speaker 1:This is their story, this is their time, so let them be in this, um, this, the limelight, the spotlight, and I appreciate that part. But it just made it seem like, okay, at least with the og gang they could have like be in the background somewhere, like giving them a little guidance, some enlightenment, like a little add-on, a little bit kind of like with naruto and um boruto series, where naruto wasn't taking up too much of the spotlight, but he was there at least he kind of mattered.
Speaker 1:Uh, at least here it was almost like any yasa kagome. The rest of them they were like in the back burner. It was almost like they. It was almost like they didn't really disappear or anything, it's just more like they were just hanging around. But the girls didn't really care for meeting them and all that. So it just felt like but yeah, they kind of played it off a little cute where, uh, inuyasha moriha, they kind of did the whole Typical Inuyasha thing when you know Sparks flying, you know Kind of mad at each other. But then I like how cute it was when Toei and Kagome Kind of pushed each other Like oh no, y'all love each other. Stop that. You know that was, that was a cute moment Right there. But even then that's.
Speaker 3:That's all of the sundari, you know, because uh inuyasha, you know he's hot, cold and that sort of way. He's definitely a sundari and that's. It was kind of cute to see moraha acting that way. I do want to bring up the elephant in the room, though, as far as shishomaru and uh reen tell me why, he's like nah, I ain't interested in any humans or anything like that. Of course he's taking care of ring when she's like six, seven, eight years old and then she turns 14 and he's like I'm gonna get her pregnant because what isn't she like? Barely 18 or something like that.
Speaker 3:And she obviously, you know she was kind of like imprisoned or whatever, and of course time stopped. But also, why did he like? That was the icky part for me too. I know that's one of those things that they kind of do like in anime, manga, like it's not as like I'm not going to say not as taboo, but I don't feel like it's one of those things that's talked about as much. But I was like oh my God, shishomaru was a creep, not to mention that he had her they can hear her when she was a child.
Speaker 1:So that means he groomed her. Listen, listen.
Speaker 2:Shishomaru, you're Ew.
Speaker 1:Icky. First of all, when I get Mira Jane on this Yasuhime review, because he loves Shishomaru, I'm like look here, this your boy, right, this your boy right.
Speaker 3:I don't know, maybe I'm talking to him because Inuyasha's my boy, but also I'm like Inuyasha, baby, I'm like what y'all talking about.
Speaker 1:Shishomaru made it perfectly clear that he didn't give a fuck about anybody.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying Like oh, but he's so handsome, you know like I can fix him. No, no, no, honey, no See, this is the kind of thing where I'm like, see, callie, I need to direct your attention to some people to help them out and kind of enlighten them on something. You know what I'm saying, you know trying to get at Because, like this ain't it? But to answer your question, I was thinking the whole time, the whole premise of, okay, toa and Setsuna, the twin daughters of Shishoumuri. I'm thinking who the fuck else but Ring?
Speaker 3:And I'm like hold on, though, hold on, though, because it's like what other humans he gonna be interacting with.
Speaker 1:you know yeah, it's um. See, it's one of those kind of things where, imagine if the fans actually wrote the script, like it felt like one of those things. And the crazy part is, the people behind yashihime was had a direct relationship with rumiko on takahashi. So it just felt weird, how like okay, so, uh, okay, why did y'all feel the need to have? Like you're thinking, yeah, they were hanging out with each other the whole time well, not the whole time, but for the most part of any so it kind of made sense in proximity, but at the same time it's like that kind of defeats the whole purpose of shomaru. Like when did this come up all of a sudden to where like okay, you know what, let's have kids. And it just kind of come off like uh, on some edward and bella type shit, where like not to mention too, like inuyasha, I think, was you know, chronologically he was, you know.
Speaker 3:His age is a little bit different because since he's half demon age is going to work a little bit differently, but he's like um, like visually he's like probably 18, something like that so he's like 68 because he was bound to the tree, uh, for 50 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but kagome, she's 14.
Speaker 3:So that's still a 14 and 18, you know, still a four year difference. Because she's in, she's technically in middle school, because, um, in japan, ninth grade is considered like junior high. So not only is she only 14, but she's also like in middle school, and that's it. And the fact that they like, fall in love with each other. So that's also not not icky. But shishiru and rin is still more icky, because he groomed her and he knew her when she was like eight and he's like, you know, let's have babies.
Speaker 1:So, like I said, I don't know considering the fact that, yeah, when they're introduced, it could have been said that, yeah, inuyasha was 18, um, oh, I mean pre time skip, you know, before he got about three, and kogome, when she was introduced, she was 14. But you consider the fact that they've been hanging out with each other for however long, so it kind of makes sense for her to eventually grow up and, you know, have kids and whatnot. So it's kind of the same thing with sailor moon, to where, yeah, they were uh, teenagers, uh, between uh, usagi and mamoru. Um, they were teenagers at the time, but eventually they do grow up and have kids.
Speaker 1:So not perfect for them to have children, but the implication that shishomaru is a full demon and reen is immortal. It's like even janken said to himself where, like, hey, yo, you're not gonna live long enough for this to even matter. But Reem was like I don't care, I just want to be with him and I'm like, all right, as long as you're aware, I guess. But still, though, it's like it just feels weird the fact that Shishomaru decided to settle down to even have kids. That's the main thing. I kind of expected from Shishomaru to be an absent dad, but it just makes Inuyasha Kagome. Look bad. When you consider that Moriha was all by herself the whole time. I'm like what the fuck were y'all doing to where y'all couldn't spend time with your kid?
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I think they like go off on a um, they went off on like a excursion or something like that and they got trapped by one of the demons, right.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, if that was the case, then if it was like uh, it's not that we didn't want to be there, it's more like uh, we just got caught up in some shit and we having a hard time getting back. At least it's not like um, what's his face from? Uh, hunter, hunter, jing, where it's like I ain't interested in seeing that little motherfucker oh, I can't wait until we get deeper into dark content and what not.
Speaker 1:I just want to see Gon finally meet Jing and just run the fade on him because, like Jing, talk about father of the year, right, and I do mean that sarcastically, but um, yeah, for the most part, with Yasuhime, they were learning about the rainbow pearls that you know, like they were birthed in, the Shikonju looks like different colors granting men's power, demons want them to. And throughout this whole season, the trio facing different challenges and battles. Uh, confrontations with the four perils and hearing maru who's this? Like neraku? Uh, great value neraku. And that was pretty much season one.
Speaker 1:Season two pretty much picked up where season the first season left off with the exploration of family ties and character destinies. Uh, they continue to hunt down the rainbow pearls and face new threats. Uh, they gain new allies, new enemies. Uh, there was like a little growth, but not a whole lot to kind of cement them as characters. Like you don't really feel anything for these characters Like you, kind of it's almost like you're just around just to see more of the OG gang and that's about it. And speaking of which, in the climactic battle against Kinu and Maru, I like how and I do mean sarcastically, I like how the girls don't even beat the big bad on their own.
Speaker 3:They got fucking shishomaru as a dead sex mocking of the beetle yep, I was like when I was watching that happen, I was like, oh my god, they're just gonna get completely slaughtered again. And here comes dad to save the day.
Speaker 1:Uh well, well, I guess I gotta clean up your mess. Huh, I guess I gotta be a parent for once. Huh, First time for everything, dad.
Speaker 1:I'm like well, fuck you too little bitch, but man, man, it had potential. Like people were saying how I I just kind of wish it was like an alternate reality, like kind of like a dragon ball gt, so to speak, because you know how, with dragon ball diamond, how it's kind of like I won't say it's messing up the timeline. But people were like saying that, oh well, this is supposed to happen right after Kid Buu got defeated, but before the tournament that took place 10 years after his defeat and that set up the timeline for CTN. Well, super Bowl is supposed to happen right, see, that's the timeline, the fucking timeline, cali.
Speaker 1:But my whole point being is that people were hoping that GT was not canon because they just felt like GT fucked up a lot of character development and whatnot. But the only reason why I would want GT to be canon is just for Super Saiyan 4, honestly, that's like the best thing they did. But outside of that, people just hoping that, okay, can't this be one of these alternate realities where none of this really matter in the grand scheme of things, like it's like a what up scenario, but nope, it's not and we're just gonna have to live with that. I hate it, but once again, it's one of those things where some things don't really need a sequel. Callie, do you have anything to add on to that?
Speaker 3:I mean, that was kind of what we were talking about before. As far as with GT, just that it was nice. I was like woohoo, woohoo, more dragon ball. But as we were getting into it I was like what do you mean? Omega shinron?
Speaker 3:what is what is this baby character? What? What is fucking hero? Fuck that guy. I hate that little robot so fucking.
Speaker 3:Much like this is one of the things. Like I said, it's it's nice to have more of it, because I wanted to enjoy more dragon ball and I want to enjoy more new yasha, but just the way they did it as far as the sequel, it's just weird they've changed. I don't know, it's just it's hard to put into words, it's just not what I was expecting. And again, I agree that the best thing that came out of GT was Super Saiyan 4 and then them fusing to be Gogeta instead of Vegito, because they did the fusion dance and then they also used the Patara earrings and Gogeta was when they were together for Super Saiyan 4 and I thought it was really cool because I like the fact that it got back to like the you know the more ape look because they had like the fuzzy shoulders and stuff like that. I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, I mean, dashikime by itself is okay, like I gave it like a, I give it like a, b as a standalone, but it's closer to like a, very like middle C as a sequel to Inuyasha, and you know me and a lot of the people that are close to me know that Inuyasha is like my number one anime manga series period. Like I've got I've got usernames based off of kagome, so like this is, this is like my, this is my show. This is what the one that I attached on to when I was really getting into um anime and stuff like that growing up when I was a kid Because I was staying up at six years old watching Inuyasha on Adult Swim Probably shouldn't have, but I did it anyway in 2001. And so I was really excited about Yashihime when it started to come out and I probably watched it and I was like this is underwhelming. So I mean, I like it and it's more like I said just more to watch, but it's not my like. I said yes, the best way to put it is just kind of underwhelming. I wanted more for it.
Speaker 3:Maybe if they adapted it more um, I think what the issue was is that they didn't have any sort of um manga to build off of, like with you know how usually manga and then they make it into an anime. This is just all straight up anime. So they were just kind of like you know, pulling things out of the water, like what happened with full metal alchemist um, before they did brother their second season, they just went completely in a different direction. It's like where is this going? Not to say that anime only things can't be good, but I feel like if it's building off of something that's already established, it kind of loses its direction along the way more often than not, at least what I've seen with. Like with anime and stuff.
Speaker 1:That's the thing, that's the crazy thing. I like how you said that, because with Boruto I think it was like anime exclusive up until they decided to go ahead and do the manga, and then the manga like kind of pasted a little bit better. That's why people would recommend the manga rather than watching the anime. And then with Dragon Ball Super I would. I will say, well, before I get to super, I want to say with daima, the best thing daima ever did, and I don't like have you been keeping up with daima? I don't want to spoil anything for you.
Speaker 3:Um, I've watched the first few episodes but I've fallen back a little bit. So I know I know like what happens, at least in the first couple episodes, but it's been a little. I'm trying to hope for when it starts getting put more into the English sub, because it's hard for me to get it or, excuse me, the English stuff, because it's hard for me to get into grandma Goku and it always yeah, no better but yeah, I just like I'm super fun, simple you need that so much.
Speaker 1:But no, I was going to say with Diamond please get caught up, because they do something that's really hype. Like. I'm not trying to spoil it for you, like I kind of did with one friend. I do apologize on that, but they did something like we finally got some fan service that people been wanting. So get caught up and you'll understand why. Okay, now that's the one thing Daima did right Now with Super.
Speaker 1:What I like about Super is how at first, when it was like anime exclusive and people had mixed feelings about Super, but once they started doing the manga, they did moral arc and granola and superhero, and even though superhero came out as a movie eventually, I'm thinking that if they go in the direction of movies where they kind of just make these whole arcs into a movie instead, I'm hoping it'll be like on the same level as dragon ball super broly, because let me tell you, kelly, that was my favorite movie out of the whole franchise and here I say it saved my whole passion for the dragon ball uh franchise to where, like I was thinking like bro, like uh, only did he brought back one of my favorite characters in the entire franchise. Broly made him a good guy for him to be like the occasional ally. And I'm like, yes, my boy Broly, he's part of the team now. And then on top of that you get Super Saiyan, blue Gogeta and a whole bunch of crazy shit. The animation was fucking popping off in so many different directions. I'm like, oh fuck, yes, see, I like directions like that.
Speaker 1:So if they adapted the manga into movies, I think the franchise would be better for that, at least until they come up with new manga chapters and then they can go back to the tv series format. But right now I think they got something going with doing movies like canonical movies. I think they got something going. But, uh, that's a he man, I don't know what to tell you. Man like, can we get like a reboot? Like just reboot it in movies, like a little bit more character dip and like more backstory and whatnot. And then I'm like, all right, we'll forgive y'all. But um, that's honestly where I got, all I got for now. I'm gonna try to get mirror jane on for part two of this review. But, um, do you have anything else you want to add on?
Speaker 3:uh, no, I think I covered everything.
Speaker 1:Thank you for having me, like usual, bro of course, and I do thank you for being on the show, and I hope you'll be back on for more nerdy news and reviews. Alright, mirror Jane, it's your turn to talk about Yasuhime. I already talked about it with Callie and kai kaisen, so, um, before it's pretty much yours.
Speaker 1:But, um, I I do got one thing to say, based on what I already talked about with callie and considering that, of course, I had to get you on for Inuyasha, but that was way before you even joined the Inner Circle. So I was thinking, okay, you can talk about Inuyasha if you want to. But here's my main thing. I know you're a big fan of Shishoumori, and it's fine, it's cool. But here's my thing, though In Yasuhime, where he has twin girls now and we're trying to figure out, okay, so who he knocked up? And I'm like there's only one possible answer it could be, and that's Rin, right? And I'm sitting here like, okay, is it Rin? Like underage.
Speaker 2:And I'm now looking at you and I'm like, so this boy, right so that's your boy, so I'm fixing to go, we fixing to talk about it, so that's that's. That's the only thing that I wanted to come here to say okay, I, I came here to the bitch, okay.
Speaker 3:This all on all y'all this all on all y'all.
Speaker 2:pal this, all on all y'all fam. It's time to end y'all. Okay, it's literally the only reason I came here.
Speaker 1:Nah, we'll just go ahead and cut this shit and be like nah, let's talk about what we really want to talk about.
Speaker 2:So, um, that's really what I was.
Speaker 1:That's some damn allegations.
Speaker 2:Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Okay, listen. First of all, he's a demon. Okay, he is a demon. There is nobody who is going to be able to be his age, other than another demon why couldn't he just um get a demon, nice demon girl.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, okay, okay. First of all, this is the most anti-social demon I have ever seen in my life, the most anti-social who he talked to. He don't talk. How many lines does shomaru actually have other than when he the person he talked to the most is his brother? And and he don't even talk to jocky?
Speaker 1:and you know it's crazy, like the way the any y'all community loves to show him. Like you would think that in the demon world, like even with his one arm, all she told me we have to do is just show up to the function, uh, find some demon girl, just stroke her face gently with his one good arm and then there you go, done like I got it right. That's all you gotta do this?
Speaker 2:man says to show me we got theiz listen yeah okay, he does, but I don't think he had riz for demon women. I also don't think he liked any women who were deemed other than kaguya, because I we forget that like kaguya, kind of gave me that haku vibes, if you know what I'm saying it's almost like are you?
Speaker 1:because you are reincarnation of Naraka, because I you know what, I'm not gonna question anymore, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, kaguya was a complicated character. She was started to have feelings outside of what she was supposed to, and that was that was really interesting. Watching kaguya develop feelings was kind of interesting. That would have been the only person that I could have ever seen sushomaru with um if she would have lived right like if Kaguya didn't die. I'm pretty sure that Tsuchishou Maru would have been with now him winding up with Rin. It makes sense. I don't understand how it don't make sense to nobody else. It makes sense. Do I agree with the age difference? No, but it is also feudal japan. It's feudal japan. Okay, it who? What? We don't even know how old most of the people are in that show.
Speaker 1:Oh, I mean, we know that kagome was at least 14 at the start of the anime, and also Inuyasha I was just about to say Inuyasha, he's at least 68 because no, no, think about it like. He's like because, uh, when we're talking to Kali, he was like 18 when he was like still fucking around with Kikyo before you know the big betrayal and what not, and then he got bound to the tree for 50 years. So I'm thinking like, okay, if he was 18 at the time and he was bound to the tree for 50 years, so he should be like 68 at the time it's feudal Japan.
Speaker 1:I mean to be fair. I did mention this before. How like crazy enough back in the day. Like okay, nowadays in Japan, 16, if you're 16, you're good to go, but earlier than that it was like 13. Yeah, it was like 13. Was it 13? Yeah, it was 13. Oh, my.
Speaker 1:God, yeah, like essentially, once you pretty much hit puberty, like hey, yo, you're practically a woman, so might as well, you know, get married. Because that was the crazy thing Like wasn't Japanese stereotypes being like like oh, um, if you're not married? But it was almost like almost biblical type shit to where, like, if you're not married by 25, you're practically a hag, like it's a permanently single hag, and I'm like really dog like, because it's almost like weird. They consider it so weird for you to be over 25 and not married they do even like uh.
Speaker 2:So I was. I watched k dramas a lot, probably way too much. Anyway, something in the rain is literally about a couple an older lady who's really not old, she's like 30 dating a younger guy who's like 28, and everyone's tripping out over it. Like everyone's like oh my god, how dare she date somebody younger than her. She's already old, why would he want? Like I was like what the heck? They made such a big deal out of it. But if she was younger than him, oh, that's fine, oh, that's fine, it's fine, perfect, fine, that's fine, it's great. Okay, we don't care how old he is, we care about how old you are.
Speaker 1:You know, like I mean it's really weird, depending on the culture a lot. I mean over here, if a woman that's way up there wanted some young me like a cute little pool boy, then I was like get some, you just get like girl boss type energy. It's like, yeah, you go girl type shit. But then imagine it don't roll for a verse and a dude just having to check out this girl washing his car with uh you know the bikini top and uh short shorts and I was like let me just go on, talk to her. I'm like what you doing? Oh, I can't. You talk to a girl, a nice woman your age, and I'm like bro, I'm like I don't. Like it's weird, depending on what area you're in, but, like you know, that's why I'm to a point where it's to each their own. All I'm saying is, as long as it's two consenting adults, that's not my business. Exactly.
Speaker 2:Exactly, which is why Rin and Shishamaru belong together. I mean I think that, shishamaru, obviously I'll be honest with you, I'm pretty sure Rin pushed up on Shishamaru.
Speaker 1:You know what? It's crazy, okay, no, no, no first, no, no. First of all, I like how Jaqen wants to talk to Rean about this to where, like bro, he's a demon, like he will be dead and gone long before he's dead and gone, and then Rean was like I'm gonna stick beside him.
Speaker 2:She's a kid and she's already like that's my man, what you? No, nope, you know what?
Speaker 1:But um, even then, I'm like I kinda Don't like how the implication to where somehow Twilight is being Bled into this Review, because it kinda makes it sound like, oh well, you know, unless Rin becomes a demon herself somehow, like right.
Speaker 2:You know what? Actually I agree with you. I don't think it would have even been fair for her to become a demon, right like I think. I think I think the reason Shishamaru Ends up whatever with her Is also because she is human, and this was a thing For Shishamaru to overcome, because he hated humans. So for him To mate with one and have kids.
Speaker 1:Now hold on. That's crazy enough. But one thing I want to mention before we because ultimately, like it was that and one other thing that I just wanted to say about Shishou Marin, that was really about it say about Shishou Maru, and that was really about it the fact that at the very end of Yashihime tell me why that these three girls had this Naruto Shippuden girl and gun, like fight with the main bad guy and even after all that said and done, they weren't able to beat him. So Shishou Maru had to show up and be the deus ex machina to beat the guy. So, like the story that these, the three girls that this story is about, they don't even get to beat the main bad guy. They had to get daddy to step in. That's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's what you're telling me. Okay, unless I'm gonna be honest with you, I did not. I didn't like Yashihime it was. I didn't need it.
Speaker 1:I didn't need it it was like I was telling Calo how like it felt like one of those sequels where, like uh, I think the franchise would have been better without it. It kind of felt like uh, I want to say with Boruto, like nothing against Boruto by itself, but I'm like if it ended with Naruto Shippuden I would have been okay with that. It's kind of like how, like I was saying with other anime, where, like, really like lately with movies too, like you ever notice how, like with certain movies like Coming to America or maybe like Space Jam, where they'll come out with a sequel like 20 years later, where they'll come out with a sequel like 20 years later and I'm sitting there like I don't hate it but nobody acts for a sequel no one acts for a sequel.
Speaker 2:I did like the fact that Shashamaru obviously had kids. I love that part, but I also didn't necessarily want a Story surrounding Shishomaru's kids Like that wasn't.
Speaker 1:And that's the crazy part Like people were like Essentially saying like we want a Shishomaru guided Uh side story, where it's like, okay, let's just have like a side story of just Shishomaru. And they were like, oh, you don't know about that, but like, okay, let's just have like a side story of just to show maru. And they were like, oh, you don't know about that, but what if we gave you a story about his kids and? And bro, honestly, toa and sesana were just kind of there for me.
Speaker 1:Okay, first of all, I don't like how, with Toa, we get almost it was like more telling and less showing of what her life was like in the modern world, where I'm like there was like a whole lot of missed opportunity there to see how she was like growing up there, to see how she was like growing up, uh. Second of all, with cessna, like her whole thing was like she was, for the most part, trying to regain her memories, uh, so she uh didn't even have memory to even be like feel some type of way about being reunited with uh toa, her long lost sister. And I like how, with callie, I told her like it kind of gave me that whole sister-sister vibe where Tia and Tamera meet each other for the first time after like being separated and like it would have been this whole thing. But you don't really even get that because, like Sessona, don't even remember having a sister.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that was another missed opportunity to me too, because it kind of feels like it feels like they were trying to recreate the beef between Shishomaru and Inuyasha.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the thing, Morha. Morha was like the best part about this series because it had all the personality of In any answer and could go on until point to where I want to say, as far as um keeping the story lively, um, she was like the best part about it. I just hate how she got hold out of all three of them to where, like, if she got her um her thing, like her pearl or whatever that was, uh, I, I forgot already. I'm sorry, but um, and she doesn't have that. She's almost useless, even though she has um secret arrow and whatnot. Like, like, for some reason, like her potential just gets squandered for some reason.
Speaker 2:I don't know I mean, I think also, I think that was definitely intentional because she, she has such a great personality, like I think we would have wanted a spin-off of just her, like we wouldn't have cared, but that's what we wanted anyway. Well, I'm gonna say me, I wanted to see what it was like for inuyasha and kagome. I did, I did want to know what their relationship kind of looked like did I not mention my number one problem about yashihime?
Speaker 1:no I hated the fact that these girls did not give a flying fuck about meeting up with their parents and the original cast, like they listen, the original cast.
Speaker 1:They were like doing their own business, even though any y'all should could go, man, they were doing like a mission or whatnot, but it's not like they were like locked away like um, and it's not like they were like jing from uh, hunter hunter, where it's not like they were like seeing from Hunter Hunter, where it's not like they didn't want to see their daughter, but they just had things going on.
Speaker 1:But the whole point is that whether they were within reach or not, it was almost as if the girls at the like they just didn't feel like you really earned that reunion to where, like you know, as a audience member, to where you're seeing Inuyasha and Kagome and the rest of the gang for the first time in years. And it's almost like you kind of feel nothing when the main characters of this story feels nothing for the OG cast. So it's almost like you kind of ruining the moment when it's like these girls like, okay, well, you're here, how's life, you know, I don't know. Like it just didn't feel like I just hated how it just Felt like, I wanted to feel like I'm being reunited with these characters for the first time in years.
Speaker 2:Same I think you know what I think it really too I think this is the other thing too is that Yashihime is not, wasn't supposed to be for us.
Speaker 1:That's the thing like it was supposed to be for us.
Speaker 2:That's the thing it was supposed to be for the new generation, but even then it's like I don't think they realized, or I don't think they took into consideration the importance of older fans in America. See, that's the problem.
Speaker 1:God damn, that's the problem with these sequels and whatnot.
Speaker 1:Like I get it that you're trying to draw in a new generation of fans but at the same time you can't draw in a new generation and alienate your old generation on older fans that made y'all as big as you are at the same time.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but it's almost like the same level with like star wars and all these other ips where, yes, I understand you're trying to bring in a fresh, new audience, but when you're kicking your og fans in the nuts, saying like, oh, y'all don't matter anymore, and I'm like, oh, so you just took our money and ran with it.
Speaker 1:And then next thing you know, it's like the mere fact that we're probably gonna feel so jaded about it. Now we're gonna look at the new generation and be like they're just gonna treat you the same, like they're just gonna rope you in, they're just gonna milk you for all you're worth, and then next thing you know they're just gonna reboot it all over again for the new generation and then they're gonna tell you the same thing they told us that you don't matter anymore. That's what I don't like about some of these sequels, where it just makes it feels like, yeah, I understand that if you were trying to bring a new audience, cool. But I just want to be more inclusive to not only the fans that kept going for many years, but also the newer fans can also get into it.
Speaker 2:That's like how I appreciate like movies like the Sonic movies or the Super Mario Brothers movies, where it was something for both new people and the OG fans yeah, I mean, yeah, og fans yeah, I mean, yeah, I agree, cause I feel like they definitely didn't do a good job of that of combining the two right, like trying to figure out a good balance of how do we bring older fans back to the show, cause they're already going to come back they heard about it but how do we keep them invested but also have new fans, right and they just messed up a lot of things in this.
Speaker 1:There was a lot of missed opportunities and I you know what a good recent example Bleach's Thousand Year blood war oh, that was, oh, yeah, it's so good yeah, like updated animation that can bring in new, um, new fans as well as old fans, old fans coming back and be like, oh shit, they actually doing some shit with all. Like I kind of like how clean the animation is, I kind of like how they animate yeah like I like how we get to hear about eisen again.
Speaker 2:Like yeah like you know how long it took for us to get to that point. But yeah, I think I also think I ain't gonna lie the new generation kind of spoiled, like they don't even have to deal with spoilers the way not spoilers, but they don't have to deal with, uh, fillers the way we had to deal with fillers oh yeah, mainly because back in the day, like, we had the weekly releases, so we had like one episode every week to where.
Speaker 1:Uh, that's why it's crazy when you like binge watching shows nowadays, where most shows can be done in like a day or maybe a weekend or so it really depends on how long the show is, but back in the day, a whole season was like a whole year yeah I'm, and it really depends on the anime, like sometimes it would like take breaks in between.
Speaker 1:So that's why don't look at me crazy. Like some of the 24 episodes like oh, that's not a whole year. I'm like, hey, man, sometimes they be taking breaks with like okay, we'll be back in like a month or two and then we'll bring back more episodes, like to kind of break it up like that. But even then sometimes it'd be like 50 or so episodes per season and that would definitely be like a whole year's worth of episodes when you think of it like that. So yeah, like back in the day we had a slow burn, these episodes to a point to where filler and all that, uh, we just pretty much going through the most until we just get to the end. But yeah, like nowadays with the new generation, if they wanna watch the series like hell, like they just do, what I do is just wait until the last episode premieres and then just binge watch the whole thing, like yeah, man.
Speaker 2:No, they need to. They need to go through that, because I I also think that's what made like. That's why we also came back too. But we're doing that with dragon ball diamond oh, true, true, true, true, you ain't wrong and that's a good show, because I'm feeling it Like I didn't think I was going to like it.
Speaker 1:Can you feel it, Mr Craft? I'm going to pick you up.
Speaker 2:We just talked about violence not too long ago and I'm over here like no, never mind. But all in all, just to kind of wrap it up about yashihime, for me, I didn't really care that much for it, it it was. It had great moments at point. At times I loved seeing the nostalgia right, like I loved seeing all of my old favorite characters that I grew to love and care about. I love that kagome's personality has not changed and she's still whooping up on inuyasha, you know, um, because somebody needed to. Um. I loved, uh, their kid morha. It was amazing, like, and I would have loved more if she was the main character and I think that was a missed opportunity for her to be the main character and a side mission of that was to rescue Rin, like I still think that would have been great. I didn't like. What's her name? Setsuna?
Speaker 1:Was it long hair with black long hair?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's Setsuna.
Speaker 2:I didn't like the whole. It also kind of felt like they were trying to make her have Shishomaru's personality. Like that was weird, like no, no, but you took her memories in order for that to work out Like she wasn't just naturally like that, you know. So that was weird. It just it felt like really forced Toa felt really forced into like this new generation kind of image Instead of kind of what.
Speaker 1:Crazy enough. I remember how. I remember one person saying and the way they put it is like the best way to put Yasuhime and Inuyasha honestly. Inuyasha is like a D&D campaign when everybody understands the assignment. Meanwhile, Yasuhime is that kind of D&D campaign where the players are too busy arguing with each other rather than getting shit done exactly that's the best way to sum that up dang.
Speaker 2:That's a good perspective. Yeah, because when you really think about it.
Speaker 1:It's like Yasuhime just felt unfocused to an extent and I'm trying to remember what was another thing that I didn't like about. Oh, I like how here's the thing in any Yasuhime and even the minor villains, you at least remember some, even the minor villains. You at least remember some of the minor villains. Like you remember the Band of Seven. You remember those reincarnated. You remember Yuro of the Demon Hair. You remember that Senshi Monster. You remember the Thunder Brothers. Okay, you remember a whole bunch of different demons in Inuyasha right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know about name the whole. Yeah, well, not all of them, but just someasha right. Yeah, you know about Name the Hulk, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, not all of them, but just some examples, right?
Speaker 2:Thunder Brothers was iconic, you know. And then definitely. Hero of the Hair.
Speaker 1:Now. Hold on Now. Aside from the main dude, the Naraku, great Value Naraku, I called him Aside from him name, one demon from Yashihime that they fought. Don't worry, I'll wait.
Speaker 2:Did they fight other people?
Speaker 1:It was straight up like Sailor Moon level of Monster of the Week type shit, to where it's like every demon that they fought was dead within the episode. So that's why I'm like they didn't leave me last one. Because here's the thing with some of these demons like I got like the demons I listed off at least they lasted like two or three episodes where it actually felt like a fight. Meanwhile it's like these girls just steam rolling through these, um, demons with powers that they didn't even explain how they even got these powers. At least, with inuyasha, there was like a whole arc on how he learned these different abilities. With tesaga, meanwhile, with toa sessana it's like okay, apparently they have these abilities and we just gotta believe.
Speaker 2:I know what it is. It's that attention span.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like they had to. I think they sacrificed a lot to get this anime.
Speaker 1:I do.
Speaker 2:I think they did Because, you're not wrong, like Inuyasha, at some points would feel like it was dragging. But as soon as it starts to feel like it was dragging but as soon as it starts to feel like it was dragging, something great and or interesting would happen and you'd be like dang, that was fire. Now you hooked all over again. But yeah, the villains were really memorable. Um, you even had a villain who wasn't really a villain but becomes part of the cast in a way, like koga's, a great side character part of the cast in a way like koga's a great side character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, where was koga exactly? No, like they just did not care to reuse these characters. It was like no, it's just gonna be their show, like we don't really need to depend on the main. Uh, og cast to um tell this story.
Speaker 2:But I'm like you know I kind of want to go back to touch on the fact that, like you mentioned that these, none of these kids wanted to go and see their parents, you ain't wrong. First of all, rin was was was captured, kidnapped.
Speaker 1:She sealed away like y'all, y'all not worried, y'all not stressed, they didn't even look stressed like they were more focused on getting the rainbow pearls, but even then they were like, not that focused on getting the rainbow pearls they were not.
Speaker 2:They were not pressed, they were not stressed at all about anything that was happening to anybody else. You know what? No, I'm not gonna say that now you Now.
Speaker 1:you know that D&D analogy makes more sense now, because it felt like it's like that D&D campaign to where, like, do y'all even want to finish the campaign?
Speaker 2:Did y'all even start it? Yeah, it sounds like y'all got the basics right and then that was it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like you're just staying in that one level, one area for some reason, like you're spending way too much time in this one area here but yeah, that's really all I gotta say.
Speaker 2:I give yashihime for me like a. I give it a one. Yeah, it, just every time I think about it I get angry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I give it a one yeah, I feel that, like yeah, but maybe like one or two, because like it's, that's the crazy thing, like, even though I just got through watching it and trying to review it and whatnot get prepared for it just felt like and it's forgettable. Honestly, it's the worst. Like I said, like my headcanon is it was an alternate universe, like it was a what-if situation, like it never happened yeah, I agree also.
Speaker 2:Never mind, I don't, it's just more bad.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna just hush well, let's just go ahead and wrap this up. And, mirajan, I do thank you for being on the show with me and, dear listener, I do thank you for listening to us babble until the end, until the next episode, stay nerdy and we're gonna go ahead and zone out of here.
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