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Helluva Boss (Season 2): Family Dynamics, Character Development, and Mythical Themes
Helluva Boss Season 2 takes viewers on a wild ride filled with emotional depth and character evolution, reflecting real-life struggles through unique animated storytelling. The season balances humor with serious themes, delving into relationships, mental health, and identity, making it a rich experience for viewers.
• Season 1 reflection sets the stage for deeper character development
• Unique musical elements enhance storytelling and character arcs
• Exploration of mental health and parenting adds relatability
• Complex character dynamics challenge societal norms
• Anticipation for Season 3 raises stakes and speculation among fans
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what good nerds is jet blackest dream? And we are back at again with another review on the zone podcast. With me today is sebi phantom, and today's topic is hell of a boss. Now, we did review season one of hell of a boss, uh, about a year ago I believe, with kokuyatsu, but season two finally concluded and with sebi phantom being new to the podcast, I think it's only fair to see what she had to say about season one first, and then we'll talk about season two and we might have more guests on later after her turn, but if not, oh well, we'll just the show go on, uh, seven. How did you feel about season one of hell of a boss?
Speaker 2:I thought season one was very good, um, within regards that, it's basically a very good like opening to the series, so it opened up a lot. It told us a lot about Blitzo Octavia, it opened up a lot of stories for a lot of different people and it even brought in some new characters. I think my favorite episode out of season one was Queen Bee, when we got to see the gluttony ring with.
Speaker 1:Queen Bee. Okay, keep going, but I want to talk about that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's my favorite episode other than Ozzy's. I really am like attracted to like how we're actually able to see the rings of hell. I want to see more and I want to get more in depth with it. So I love the latter part of season one because we actually got to see other than just the wrath ring. So, yeah, that's where I'm at a season one and I'm excited to get into season two and then happy for season three, obviously of course.
Speaker 1:Uh, that's the thing. First of all, when we got introduced to Beelzebub and we went to the gluttony ring and what not Luna was taking out one of the parties that Tex was talking to her about and, not gonna lie, I was not expecting Beelzebub to be that cool, seriously, like she was like a genuine person, like um granted, yeah, you know you're thinking like the princes of hell um, they're all assholes to some extent, but nah, b's just cool shit. Like not just a party girl, but like from a personal understanding, you know, like she has, she doesn't treat people like a dick. You know what I mean and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:She's literally Kesha. She's voiced by Kesha.
Speaker 1:Oh mm-mm. It reminds me of the controversy about her being on, Like they were saying that, oh well, that wasn't really Kesha, but we planned on having Kesha on and singing that specific song because of how Vivian loved Kesha, but it was like they can't claim that it was Kesha. That was the thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the voice the speaking voice is voice is kesha. However, the singing voice is a different artist right who sounds almost exactly like her, so I see a lot of the different comparisons going on with that, um, but that's, and that's the crazy part.
Speaker 1:Um, I just got through watching season seven of rick and morty. I know, right, uh, it's super late, I know, but hear me out. I just got through watching it and that was the season where, okay, they don't have Justin Royal in there anymore, so there's going to be new voices at Rick and Morty, but I swear to God, it doesn't sound any different. Like, if you told me that he never left, I will believe it, because it just sounded pretty much similar. So I kind of understand. That's where, even though there were like different people for different parts you know would be from the actual voice acting to the singing, different people but they sound so similarly you couldn't tell different. But they sound so similar, you couldn't tell the difference.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I like that With different series, that when they change voice actors you can slightly Still tell. However, there isn't so much of a change where you're like that's not the same person.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I do like how this show gets very Serious when it comes down to it's and like there are two-parters, like you said, with Ozzy, that's when things got really interesting, especially between both Ozzy and Fizz, and as well as Blitz and Soul.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, most definitely. I think Ozzy and Asmodeus are my two favorite characters. They are To me. I think the whole thing is that they're talking about how Ozzy and Fizzerali, especially in season one, we actually get to get introduced to them and at the end of the seventh episode, if I remember correctly, it was more of like Well, why can you guys do it, and it be social, be okay, and we can't do it and it's horrible, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, and they do poke at that Hypocrisy. Honestly, I kind of wish Leah and Tanara was on the podcast Right now, because Biz is definitely one of their favorite characters, for sure. Ah, I'll tell. Yeah, I was gonna ask you who's your favorite, but you can't, you can't answer that for me.
Speaker 2:So cool, cool, cool yeah, definitely fizzarelli and osmodeus. Those are my two top 10, two top two favorite characters.
Speaker 1:I love everything about them oh, hell, yeah, uh, was there anything about season?
Speaker 2:one that, uh, I think I pretty much talked about everything, but, um, if that's anything, everything you got on season one yeah, just overall, it's a really good opening into us seeing more about the imp life and us introducing more characters and more plot. So, yeah, I think we're all good there.
Speaker 1:On season one okay, cool, cool, cool. Now let's go ahead and talk about season two. Now, granted, what I like about season two is that not only did they deliver some episodes, some standalone episodes that were pretty good, and also some, I guess well, technically it didn't have a two-parter, but some episodes just felt like it was more like keystone episodes, like especially between the apology tour and the episode before that, where essentially Blitz and Stowage, quote unquote, break up Because you know, like they said, you have to be in a relationship to break up, but it's more like they just breaking up what they were doing. And season two pays a bunch of payoff to season 1 as well. That's why I like the um about it.
Speaker 1:Like, for starters, the very first episode, not the pilot, but the first episode, uh, with murder family, with, uh, martha and the cannibal family, how, this little moment where Moxie was having some conflict, some self-conflict about killing off a family and he was like, oh well, it'll be one thing if it was like a shitty dad or a mob boss, that's more understandable. But then you jump to season two. You meet crimson. I'm like you know what it makes sense for moxie to say all that because he has a shitty relationship with his mob boss dad.
Speaker 2:I like that yeah, I like that. We actually got to get introduced to Moxie's family like we saw Millie's family and to this case they're two different entire family aspects. Millie's more of the country home family, ranch style. All moxie's is completely different. No, mom, dad's a high profile mafia boss. So, yeah, I love that we got to actually see more into their life that we got to actually see more into their life.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, uh, was it?
Speaker 1:I mean, I know there was more to season two than that, but, like, I definitely like the idea of how, with moxie and millie now at the end, where millie found out that she was pregnant but she wasn't like jumping for joy at the fact that, that, that made me think.
Speaker 1:First of all, with Millie, I honestly am convinced that she wasn't prepared or wanting to be a mother and hey, that's her choice, that's up to her. But also it's kind of understandable how, with Moxie, if he has such a bad relationship with his father, maybe he has some reserves about being a father himself, because it's like, oh well, what would I know about being a dad? I mean, you know how some folks would be like, ok, I'm going to treat you better than what my parents treated me. You're like, okay, I'm going to treat you better than what my parents treated me. But then again, if you didn't have that positive role model, it doesn't have to be male exactly Like if you didn't have, like a positive male or female role model in your life and keep in mind Moxie's mom got killed off by Crimson for standing up to him for Moxie. And if Moxie never really had that, then how will he have that instinct to know what a good father would do so?
Speaker 2:I just want to say that when this episode came out, I was literally sitting at my desk playing a video game. I paused my game just to click on. Since the moment it released and throughout the episode, I just want to say I called it that Millie was pregnant. I caught that. The moment she goes yeah, I don't feel good and I'm like, oh yep, she's pregnant, called it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like when she threw up, I'm like like okay, that was weird. But then she was like um, that and the mood swings. Honestly, I think it was like a little callback to uh that episode I was talking about with meeting crimson, to where she was just like going crazy. I mean I don't know how far back it was, but then again, it's not unheard of to where some folks will get pregnant and they won't even know they were pregnant until like way later, because they don't really uh experience any of the uh telltale signs till way later. It's like, oh dang, I didn't know I was pregnant for that long right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a whole new meaning of I didn't know I was pregnant. That show is really wild. What else I'm trying to?
Speaker 1:remember, oh, you know what? I think I dare say my favorite part about season 2 so far unless I remember something else was when Stolas decided that he needs to go see Octavia, and Stella's brother, andy, was in the way and essentially Stolas just beat the shit out of them.
Speaker 2:I was like, yeah, whoop his ass, stolas yeah, I kind of teared up a little bit at the end where she was like you left me and then not wanting to see Stolas, and I'm like but Stolas is trying to tell you turn around, octavia, just listen to him for just 20 seconds. But it kind of fits in with a lot of the things that were happening on this. I really do think that this episode really showed the different lights of like Christmas, in my opinion. Like, some families do this thing, some families do other things, and then you have Blitz and Stolas and they're all together as a family, even though they don't have their family with them right.
Speaker 1:The thing was, is that, uh, the whole arc from season one to season two. How, with octavia, you feel neglected by both stolas and stella. But to be fair, it's like Stolas was in this marriage disarranged marriage, because the whole Goetia um, royal family type shit, and you know that. They even said it themselves. And um, what was it? The first episode where essentially stoic has made it clear that, hey, you and I both know that we don't even go together like that, like we own. The only reason why we're even together is because of the girl, and the only reason we have to even be together is almost 17 years old, so what's the point of doing all this shit? And then stella was like, oh, that's how you feel, all right, bet, I'm gonna hire somebody to kill you aka striker but nah, the crazy part is like okay with, uh, stella and andy.
Speaker 1:The funny thing is how, when they're two together like you can't tell that Stella was stupid up until Andy showed up and I was like, oh my god, you're so dumb, but you are so lucky, you're attractive and I'm sitting there like uh, uh, yeah, um that whole like episode like, am I Thursday and Jamie Lannister type Vibes going? On here, lol, I was like why are we going In this direction with that?
Speaker 2:I've been a whole fact that Between, like Mastermind and Sin Smiths, when Andy is like well, I'm Octavia's father now and I'm like, sir, you're her uncle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like bro, bro bro, I don't know that, just babbled me right there.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's a bird thing. Maybe it's a bird thing, who knows?
Speaker 1:Sometimes just family can be weird. Oh, speaking of which Mastermind, we got introduced to Satan in this one and he actually looks as intimidating as I expected. Like you know, the whole dragon like look, but I also like how it's kind of funny, how oh he had that. Uh, little guys like hey, uh, satan buddy, hey, uh, remember, um, breathing exercises, go to your happy place, I mean. But hold on, he's the sin of wrath. I'm like, does it make sense for him to get angry every now and then? I like, but I just thought it was cute oh yeah, no, satin, satin, wow.
Speaker 2:Satan ended up becoming one of my favorite characters in that episode, just with, like the way he holds himself, like he's a, but he's like each little Like Seven Deadly Sins has their own little motif going, and I love that on his vest he had like weights kind of, and then each one. I love that we actually got to meet Visago. He's the coolest Parrot character ever.
Speaker 1:Man. Keep in mind. You kind of got that hint from man. It was Keep in mind.
Speaker 1:You kind of got that hint from Hasbin Hotel too, especially like in the later half With what's her face From One of the overlords With weapons Her name escaping me right now yeah her how it's like she has like a little Slipping it, and that's what I like about um this guy too, to where he kind of slips in uh, but so I go kind of slips into um spanish in there I was like, okay, I'm gonna need some subtitles for this, but I like the diversity and that's where I'm like, okay, okay, you guys like some Latin fire in them.
Speaker 2:Carmilla, carmilla, carmine.
Speaker 1:Right, right, thank you.
Speaker 2:You're welcome. Yeah, I can see her in my head, but her name was like drifting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like why can't I remember her name? Shit.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, I thought we've got. We have a lovely range of characters and I'm excited to see I heard overall For all four seasons we should have a total of 50 episodes when we're all said and done.
Speaker 1:Right, and I do like how, with season 3 already being Announced, being in production and having like 15 episodes um slated, but we're gonna get some more short episodes before all that, and I'm trying to speculate uh, how long do you think it will take for season three to drop, like I said every?
Speaker 2:year well, season two started and we got like the first episode of the circus that released back in July of 2022, yet season one finished June of 2023.
Speaker 1:So I'm wondering if they're gonna do something like they did before, because Queen Bee came out and that was a continuation of season one, but we had already gotten started on season two with, like the circus and seeing stars oh yeah, that does remember um remind me of how, yeah, once again with the whole controversy, how we were wondering, oh wait, hold on, wasn't it supposed to be like a part two to um ozzy, the whole shit going on there, but they just kind of skip to season two. I'm like whoa, okay. But then we finally got out like, oh yay, we finally get the resolution that we're looking for and all that like the real season one finale yeah, so I know they said that season two is completely finished with sins miss.
Speaker 2:I'm just wondering now if we're gonna have like a small little, like like one of the hell of a shorts that we have just to finish it off and just complete it all together right.
Speaker 1:Like honestly, I thought, uh, we want to be done with hell of a boss with season two, like at least it sounded like it was going in that direction. But oh well, I'm happy for season three happening, especially with how they uh ended it, because, oh man, like stole it pretty much, losing it all, just um protect blitz, so kind of like how uh biz lost it all um revealing his relationship with ozzy, and also he got fed with mammon. By the way, I did like that one episode with um mammon. Uh, what was it called? Uh, hold on, don't help me, don't help me. Um shit, it was something and it was like I'm trying to remember the name of the episode, shit.
Speaker 2:The pageant one.
Speaker 1:Mammon's Magnificent Musical Mid-Season Special.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It was a long one. That's why I was like, oh man.
Speaker 2:Featuring. Don't forget featuring Fizzarali yeah, in little parentheses.
Speaker 1:I'm like bro, I'm not going to remember that shit, but I love the catharsis with his musical number Two Minute Notice, because I don't ever feel that way to where like you ever had that one job and you just got so fed up with your boss and I'm like you know what fuck this job Like he barely even deserve a two-week notice. You lucky you got a two-minute notice.
Speaker 2:Oh you, lucky you got two minute two minute notice was sung in my house for like a month. I think. We just walked around the house singing two minute notice because we that's how we felt about our jobs at the time.
Speaker 1:We're like yep, this is exactly how I feel yeah, I mean, granted, like there are some solid jobs, but like I think I can speak to a lot of people where you know you had that one job well, at least one job where you're just like, oh hell, no, I'm not taking this.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kind of inching towards the edge, and it's either quit your job or just have a mental breakdown right on the sales floor or something where's the peace?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Down aisle five it's like you're going crazy, like babbling, and uh, clean up on aisle seven tears.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I think we got a lot of good information with season two. Like I said, I'm the type of person that wants to see more into like the seven, seven rings, yeah, the the rings of hell. I want to see more of that. So I'm excited to see, like, um, like, oh gosh now her name is slipping me. Um, it's not beelzebub. We saw Smodius. We saw Satan. Oh goodness.
Speaker 1:It was between Envy and yeah, envy and Slawfly. We did see them there, but they didn't like play an active role or like a speaking role in that.
Speaker 2:Right, and I want to see more into like their full-on worlds, more into like their full on worlds, because we've already been given like hints and such. Throughout Vivian's like whole Vizzy Pop world, We've seen little hints, but I want to see more of like what each of their ring looks like.
Speaker 1:Vizzy birth.
Speaker 2:The Vizzy birth.
Speaker 1:Oh, now I'm trying to find her name I did like that little continuity or the commitment to the continuity, how, uh, lucifer wasn't there, but we know that lucifer was probably dealing with something like um, you know how, um with the hotel, yeah, with the hotel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, with the hotel. It could have been any moment where he was either visiting Charlie that one time, or when Adam showed up with his whole army and he was helping Charlie defend the hotel, I was like, oh well, I'm not here right now, I'm too busy saving my daughter from the angel attack.
Speaker 2:But the little rubber duckies at his chair was adorable. I just want to say that yeah, oh yeah, leviathan and Belphegor, I want to see their worlds.
Speaker 1:Right, that's what they're called. Yeah, that was the thing. It was like that little rubber ducky. It's like you had to have seen Hazman Hotel for that to make sense, because you weren't introduced to Lucifer in the pilot, like you don't know anything about Lucifer in the pilot of Haspen, but you had to have seen Haspen Hotel on Prime Video to understand that joke.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I thought when I saw that I'm like, oh, that's adorable, look at that. One of my other favorite things in hell of a boss is when we see like their phones. Have you ever noticed that there's like a ton of apps that are just like related to each seven deadly sin and then other characters from like has been or yeah, has been right.
Speaker 1:See, that's why I was saying that I was really hoping for a hell of a boss has been hotel, uh crossover at some point. Because at this point, considering that season two and three of has been hotel has already been greenlit, we're all gonna get season three of hell of a boss at some point. I'm like Vivian, I know you're trying to set up a crossover.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at one point you got to be like, oh well, they're in the same area.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's almost kind of like right now between Hatch and Hotel and Hell with Boss. It can go either way.
Speaker 2:It's like they're giving the Moon knight treatment where it's in the same universe, but they're not directly related right now is it like us when we were talking about like cowboy b-pop depending, like all those other different shows that are all connected oh, and crazy enough, I saw the post saying that oh, yeah, um, the guy who made all those yep confirmed like they're all in the same universe.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah, yeah that's where we're at at this moment. I am definitely well now that I'm thinking about it. We did see like like teeny little bits of each world in regards to like in the different episodes. If you watch, there are some, like when luna has to go to the vet, they're in buffalo girl's world because they're all goats right. So I'm excited to see what happens for the season three, if we can get more information and see other worlds what I did like about that is the voice actress for luna.
Speaker 1:She, I think what happened that she lost her voice or something like that, or she had something to do and essentially she couldn't be on for that episode. So that's why she was like um, no, um speaking lines for the whole episode. But it was kind of Interesting and creative how they went about it. Let's make An episode where, while Millie and Moxie Try to deal with Stryker Kidnapping Stolas, blitz can Go ahead and have Luna get her shots. And I did like that. And oh, the next one After that Unhappy campers episode. I did find that kind of funny Because, first of all, millie was the fucking MVP Of the episode.
Speaker 1:You know like Getting all popular with the kids and what not. Moxie is being cringed VP of the episode. You know like getting all popular with the kids and whatnot. Moxie is being cringed Cos well, not Cosplay, role-playing being like kind of obnoxious about it. And meanwhile Blitz was hunting down his sister Barbie who, funny enough, roska, made a joke about her being in rehab, and once again that pay off to it. Oh, she really being in rehab, and once again that pay off to it. Oh, she really was in rehab. Uh blitz was trying to reconcile her his relationship with barbie, but barbie was like, no, like, stay the fuck away from me. You always just ruin things for me, you know right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I'm kind of 50 50 on unhappy Campers. I mean I love the whole context of like Moxie wanting to lead the mission. It's not going his way and then I don't know. You definitely I got side embarrassment for Moxie on some of the parts where I'm just like um, just gonna skip past this part just a little bit gotcha Mira Jane yo, just gonna skip past this part.
Speaker 1:Just a little bit. Gotcha Mira Jane Yo.
Speaker 3:Yo.
Speaker 2:Hi MJ.
Speaker 3:Hi Hi.
Speaker 1:Hey how you doing, Doing good.
Speaker 3:I'm good. I'm good, I made it.
Speaker 1:We were kind of in the middle of talking about season one and two and since you weren't on for the season one review, I was thinking like real quick, how did you feel about season one of Pillow of a Boss?
Speaker 3:I couldn't really. Season one wasn't my favorite. I didn't really get into it. Yeah, it just wasn't. It wasn't connecting with me really. I think season two was where I was like oh, oh, I get it. And so like now I'm kind of going back and re-watching season one, because I think season one just wasn't.
Speaker 1:It just didn't really hit home for me I got to see that's what I was saying with sebi here how, with season two it pays a lot payoff to what was going down in season one. Like how, uh for starters I was just mentioning how uh, uh with blitz's sister, barbie, like baraska was making a joke about, um, blitz's sister, barbie, like Baraska was making a joke about Blitz's sister being in rehab. And in season two you meet Barbie and oh, it turns out she really was in rehab. So that actually panned out. Also another callback how in the pilot episode this kid was just roasting everybody around the office and they keep making up. Well, he meant to have a clown, but like that could have just been any kind of joke, right. But then come and find out when you explore upon their backstories and whatnot, oh, turns out that has some validity going to it yeah it was a clown at a circus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what else? The fact that Ozzy and Fizz relationship um stole, his relationship with Blitz, his relationship with Stella, and all that season 2 was definitely hitting home. So let me ask you all what did you like about season 2 of Helluva Boss, specifically, okay, I loved how real Sol is what oh, you like how he fucking beat the shit out of andy yes, absolutely like it's.
Speaker 3:So this is my favorite character from the first episode of season two. I was like, oh he mad, mad. Seeing that. I was like, oh he gonna see. I felt like he was gonna end up beating somebody's ass later on. I was like, oh, this is set in the moment. He gonna fight somebody later, right. And then he ends up whooping up on Adam and I'm like, dang bro, I ain't no solace, had it in him like that. Not only that, but Stella got on my nerves.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, like, oh, like, ever since she got introduced Is like she was introduced being a bitch Like, just yelling, okay to be fair, like she did get cheated on. So I I kinda understand, but then again she had no respect for him anyway.
Speaker 3:So I'm like she was treating him like you know. She had no respect for him anyway. So I'm like she was treating him like you know, like a little bitch, like you talking trash about him on the phone to your homegirls Like bruh, you ain't even invite him to the party. You kinda did, but you kinda didn't.
Speaker 1:It's like eh well, you know he's my plus one.
Speaker 3:I didn't really need him to go. He's the father of your child. You acting like y'all not sleeping together Occasionally.
Speaker 1:I mean, while you're saying that, I did mention how like well to Sebi here that what I didn't like between Stella and her brother Andy was the fact that only when those two are like in the same room together we find out how dumb stella really is. Like, um, she didn't really think thing through like with how, uh, oh, bro, like your, your husband has been living lending this grimoire to these imps, which is illegal. You could have had dirt on them the whole time and you didn't decide to capitalize on that. And I'm like girl you, you are dumb as hell, but you are lucky you're so attractive. And I'm saying like pause, uh, um, we don't want no thirsey and jamie lanthrop vibes going on here oh, I mean, but he was being, you're not wrong.
Speaker 3:The only time we realize how dumb she is is when she's with her brother, and I think that that's that brother, that's a brother, sister thing, right like oh, I know, oh, I, oh, you know what toss you at miyuki bro, the one thing I'm like bro, like listen I I'm sorry, but like with irregular magic high school.
Speaker 1:I'm like bro, like listen, I'm sorry, but like with irregular at magic high school. I'm like, if they didn't have that one thing, I'm like it would have been perfect, but that ruins it. Like why, like, why.
Speaker 3:It did it, really did it, did it, really did ruin it. I'm laughing so hard because like it would have been so good without that part and at some point you have to keep reminding yourself that they're siblings.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like, oh, aren't y'all related?
Speaker 3:Are they Like, and as you're watching, like everyone else, it seems like at some point everyone else stops reminding you two that they're siblings. Except it'll happen, it would happen randomly. You're like wait, they are brothers.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:My question was is it a bird thing? Is it just for birds, like do they just fall in love with their siblings, or do they have like some weird attachment with their siblings or something?
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't know what it is in this case, but funny enough when I was reviewing some anime in the past, how I've been doing some digging and crazy enough. Crazy enough, if you're like an adopted sibling, it's free game to marry them in Japan.
Speaker 2:LOL, lol.
Speaker 3:No wonder it's always like oh, that's my step brother.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:What are you?
Speaker 1:doing stepbro yeah.
Speaker 2:Is that JB? I was about to say, oh no, stepbro.
Speaker 1:I'm in Japan. That's free game, remember? It's sort of online.
Speaker 1:to where the whole plot of Alpine, the fairy season, to where old buddy, the creepy dude, uh, oberon, like I just know him by his gamer name, like essentially his plan well, I won't even say it was his plan exactly, but he works for asuna's father and the whole thing was, uh, he gets adopted into the family but according to Japanese cousins, like if you're adopted into the family, like if you want to marry each other, I'm like nobody's going to stop you. I think it's mainly because of the birth grade. I don't know, but it's like apparently that's the thing. But that's also another crazy thing, believe it or not, like I know it's kind of unrelated, but it's just another example of how things are just different compared to here. How in japan, the reason why you see all these 16, 15 year old girls that's like super attractive, almost like no way you're 16 attractive, it's because over there, originally if you were 13 you're DTF, but they changed it to where you have to be at least 16.
Speaker 3:so the way they're seeing it, if that girl is 16 years old and she's consenting, go for it I mean, I know it also has something to do too with because a lot of times what ends up happening is they're so career focused a lot of the guys, by the time they get out of college or and they're finally starting their career, they they haven't talked to girls. They've been so focused on trying to graduate and having good grades that all the and and the other thing too is like a lot of those same women that they were around they're no longer around them because they've either gotten married or they were so focused on their own careers Like, so now they got to find somebody who's available. It just so happens to be, you know, the younger you are, the more available you happen.
Speaker 3:Which is crazy to think about. Maybe you know they should have just changed the law, absolutely totally agree with that. But also maybe not work people so hard so they can meet each other like they're supposed to.
Speaker 1:I mean, we pretty much live in a society to where it's not even about trying to make a living anymore, it's more like keeping us in line and control and shit like that. I mean, um seven, I was just talking about how sometimes, uh, we work these jobs where either you gotta quit this job, with the fizzy episode, um, but with two minute notice how like it was so much catharsis where you ever had a job that you hated so much that fuck a two weeks notice. You're lucky you get a two minute notice, because I ain't gonna take this shit no more.
Speaker 3:Bro, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it's like sometimes it's just crazy how a lot of these employers just act like deep down they don't really care for you, that you're more like a number to them.
Speaker 1:So it's kind of understandable how people have a structure to where. It's crazy really how like it seemed like they say, oh, when you're young, oh, you got your whole life ahead of you, this is the best years of your life, and meanwhile the implication is you got to do all this work, like, say, for instance, if you're like one of those AP students where you're doing all this extra homework so you can get scholarships into college and whatnot, but when you really think about it, uh, if you do get scholarships or grants, okay good, but most people usually get student loans. So you're going through college doing student loans to get a job that you wanted, or they're probably not guaranteed that you might get that job with the way the job market is right now. But you get this job and even when you do get the job, you're pretty much paying a lot of money just to pay off the education that you got to get that job.
Speaker 1:So yeah, pretty much we're saying how they're pretty much wanting you to spend your whole life working like the younger the better, because yep, yep, yep we get you prepared now, then we can use you more when you're young, like how, like um, you get prepared when you're like a kid or a teenager, and that way when you get out there in the world, it's like uh, you already know what you're doing, so you know. Comedy with child actors. Like the younger you are, the more they can use you In movies and shit.
Speaker 3:The longer they can use you In those kid like roles.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And then as soon as you're an adult, oops, sorry, bye.
Speaker 2:It's like that song they only love me when I'm 17 and when I'm 21, I'm no Longer no Fun.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like what DiCaprio got going on to where, oh, you're 25?. Yep, I can't do nothing with you.
Speaker 2:Oh God, my thoughts immediately went to what's his name? The Nickelodeon dude.
Speaker 1:Oh, Dirty Dan.
Speaker 2:Dirty Dan. That's what it is, Dan.
Speaker 3:Schneider oh man, yeah, he nasty.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm surprised that man hasn't been took out yet.
Speaker 3:Somebody gonna take him out.
Speaker 1:Oh no, no, that's a bunch of Luigi and hasn't been took out yet. Somebody gonna take him out. Oh no, no, that's just a bunch of Luigi that took out that one CEO Crazy right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Crazy, right. I'm like, well, and that's the crazy part about that is, like everybody else in here, like why are you arresting this hero? I'm like, I'm like that message. That's all I'll say about that, the fact that you don't. The crazy part is they're saying that he might not even be the alleged killer. Like oh well, um, why would the killer um make it so easy for him to be captured? Like no, no, there gotta be something in play and whatnot. I'm like I don't know. I'm not trying to get too political on this whole situation. I just think it just kind of crazy how some things are to where some folks can go around like uh, offing the ceos of these places and people not going to even bet.
Speaker 3:No, I become like hey, well, um, sometimes these things happen and I guess maybe it's karma I mean, I don't know, that's kind of how I felt about the whole, about kind of the whole thing, like maybe it's karma. But then, you know, I also was sad because somebody did lose their life. I was like dang, you know, that's. That's the sad part. But on the flip side of that, it's like how many people's lives were lost due to the fact that he didn't like there was a denial of coverage, right, and and reason why people had no empathy yeah, I mean, and also we like to believe that the ceo does also, you know, is the person who's making these final decisions?
Speaker 3:right? But we, we know that that's not always true. Right, there's a board of directors and these people want their money. Okay, they, they're the ones, at the end of the day, who have the final say so, they're the ones who can vote off the ceo and hire a new one and all that other stuff.
Speaker 3:but I mean, even if they would have took out the board, we would just get more board of directors and all that stuff. I agree. Agree, though I like Luigi. Luigi didn't do it because Luigi was with me. Okay, he didn't do it, we was together. Don't be lying on my man.
Speaker 2:Last time I checked he was my cousin and he was over here for a nice Sicilian dinner. Just saying Bro.
Speaker 1:Bro, at this point Luigi just became like the new OJ sent down. I don't believe he did it. Bro, Nah, I'm like no way. I feel like it's a setup.
Speaker 3:Nah, people did it. Nah, they knew he did it. They were just like. They were like nah, he ain't do it, but we know he did it, but he ain't do it.
Speaker 1:We're just gonna turn a blind eye. I'm just going to act like we didn't see shit 2025.
Speaker 2:Man of the year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know. Can you imagine?
Speaker 3:Oh, he's probably going to be on the cover of Sexiest man Alive. Yes, oh man.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know what uh remember? Uh, what's his name? Uh, jeremy meets um prison bay where he like got that mug shot and I was like next thing, you know, he got out of prison, he got a modeling career. Bro, if he goes to jail like he's just gonna walk back out, he's probably gonna be like, uh, get a role as an action hero, like be the next John Wick or some shit.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't be shocked if I see him on I'm like man.
Speaker 1:You know that's some bullshit they had you go through, but it's okay though, we're gonna get you back on your feet.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, I just had like this idea he's gonna be the spokesperson for the next Like United Healthcare commercial. Whoa, that would be so ironic.
Speaker 1:That'd be great, this idea he's gonna be the spokesperson for the next like united healthcare commercial whoa, that would be so ironic.
Speaker 3:That'd be great, right, that would be amazing.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna lie at that point I'm signing up for united healthcare like, yeah, well, I know my job.
Speaker 3:I need united healthcare.
Speaker 2:I can't go with this one that we're currently with, and if y'all don't switch, y'all know what's gonna happen if y'all don't switch.
Speaker 1:There goes my two minute noodles oh you know what, speaking of which, I know, we went on a tangent about this whole thing, but, to be fair, we probably couldn't wait until the nerdy news to talk about it. Oh you know what, speaking of which, I know, we went on a tangent about this whole thing, but, to be fair, we probably couldn't wait until the nerdy news to talk about it. Anyways, then again, it wouldn't count as nerdy news, but I guess that's the only way we could bring it up, naturally, but was there anything else about season two of Helluva Boss that you liked, mj?
Speaker 3:Overall it was just really good Overall. Like I really loved. The storytelling in season two was way better. Season one just didn't feel so connected to me, but season two, every episode was like better than the last two. Every episode was like better than the last I I know if tuck, if tuck was on, I know which episode would have been his favorite? That goddamn musical. Oh, okay, that goddamn musical it was good. It was good, but it was a lot of singing for me.
Speaker 1:To be fair it was like that was the craziest part with season one. It didn't feel like it was going to a musical route. Yeah, they had like a musical number, let me see. Let me check real quick Season one, let's see.
Speaker 2:The Truth Seekers episode wasn't the one that was the big ballad episode yeah, it was the one with Blitzo and Moxie.
Speaker 1:They got captured by the dorks and, oh man, you know what? That was one of my favorite episodes that featured Stolas, to where pretty much Blitzo I don't know why I keep calling him Blitzo, but Blitz, millie Luna. They were in a bad spot and essentially Stolas showed up real scary and just scared the shit out of the dorks and I was like yeah, yeah, like you, leave them alone.
Speaker 1:I'm like that. What really impressed me about Stoltz? When he gets serious, you'll tell when he's serious, especially when Octavia ran off to LA to see the meteor shower that was my favorite episode, because, especially when like the
Speaker 1:way to see the meteor shower, because that was my favorite episode, because, especially when, like the way Blitz handled it, like whoa, what am I supposed to tell him that? Oh, your daughter snuck into our office, took the book, ran to LA we don't know where she is on it and blah, blah, blah, bye. And now, oh well, that went better than I thought. Then, first thing, I'm like what?
Speaker 3:Y'all oh oh man.
Speaker 1:But yeah, like when Stolas gets mad, like you can tell he's mad.
Speaker 3:Yo, honestly that was like my favorite episode Because that was like I'm like yes, stolas, yes, yes, be angry. Not only that, but Octavia's so cute.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like a little golf bird.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's horrible and I'm just like, I just want to hold you and love you and tell you that it's gonna be okay yeah, yeah and like.
Speaker 1:I really want, uh, octavia and Luna to have that future um, um sisters, um kind of bond. You know what I'm saying. I'm trying to think of the actual term, because I'm like thinking like, okay, uh, I don't know if those in bliss would probably be the type to like do marriage per se. I'm like, you know, just co-parenting and you know, our daughters just happen to live with each other, so it's like they can be like kind of like sisters, but it's not like sister-in-law type shit. I don't know, because if they're not married then they wouldn't be sister-in-law, but it's kind of like that though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they definitely give you that. You know, like you've been friends so long but now we sisters kind of vibe. They definitely give you that feeling.
Speaker 1:But it's only like for that one episode when they were actually together and it was like, yeah, you can understand that, because oh well, you know, even though their dynamics are different. But I do like luna and bliss on dynamic together to where bliss just think luna is so perfect and all that shit. I even like that one part to where it was in season one, to where Luna found out that Blitz and Vraska had a relationship and she's like kind of shy and excited to like meet her and she had a little crush on Tex too and essentially she was like oh damn, I put on my makeup all shitty today and it was like, oh, but you're perfect, as always, I've shut up Dad. And then Blitz just lit up like who's calling me Dad.
Speaker 3:She called me.
Speaker 1:Dad, I love that. I was like hey.
Speaker 2:I love that. I love that like Progression of like you're not my dad. And then, all of a sudden, as we get closer Into season two, as we got to send Miss, she's like dad, come on, let's go do this, dad, let's do that.
Speaker 3:And I'm like that is so cute.
Speaker 1:It was the same episode in fact, with Octavia Running off to LA and Blitz had to Pretty much cosplay as his BA Brandon Rogers, but it was like Brandon Razors Get it.
Speaker 2:Anyways.
Speaker 1:He had to do that sitcom thing and while he was doing his lines he was remembering how he met luna and then it just like his memory bled into his acting and I was like no, you can't have her, I love you, you're not gonna take her away from me. I was like he was kind of thinking of luna at the time. I was like I just love how much love blitz have with Luna.
Speaker 3:That's why it was like one of my favorite episodes, because it was just the whole episode was fatherly love, right. And then, even though the person who ends up finding Octavia is Luna, that moment that they ended up sharing and Luna just like explaining and thinking of her own relationship, like sometimes it's a little bit hard, but they're gonna try their best. Okay, he's gonna do his best, and I love that, that in that moment it seems like, even though Luna, that in that moment it seems like, even though luna doesn't call her dad, dad for a long time and says you're not my dad, it seems like in this moment she was like you know what? Yeah, I know you're sad right now, but our dads they're, they're trying and that's that's all that they can do.
Speaker 1:And I was like, aww, that's so cute and it just kind of wild how, if only Luna was there with Stolas in the season finale to kind of help explain that, even though, yeah, he fucked up having relations with Bliss while he was married to your mom uh, to be fair, it's not that he never loved you, it's just more like his uh circumstance was so complicated that, um, he just couldn't be there for you all the time. But, uh, he did actually come on. There were at least more than one episode where he actually tried to like bomb with her and shit you know, with going to Lululemon, and he did plan on doing the meteor shower, but he just had things going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah and yeah, so you know at least he was trying at least uh stole. It's not as bad as the father as crimson was to moxie, to where uh pretty much uh just treating moxie like, oh, you're only meant to be uh, a mob boss kid. And when moxie's mom stood up to Crimson about his treatment towards Moxie, she just got whacked off and I'm like that's why I kind of like the whole callback to where, when Moxie, if you were to assassinate a shitty dad or a mob boss, that's more understandable over killing off a whole family. That didn't really do anything wrong. I like the continuity and all that. Was there anything else about season 2 that I want to know? I feel like we talked about just about everything. Sebi, you have anything else you want to add on to season two?
Speaker 2:No, I'm pretty much. Everything that I discussed is pretty much good there.
Speaker 1:MJ, you got anything else you want to add on.
Speaker 3:I don't think so.
Speaker 1:No, I'm good, well, dang, alright, we'll just keep it there, and I thank you two for being on the show with me here comes a new challenger. All right, Kokugatsu. Hello boss, Season two what you got.
Speaker 4:Man. Season two was a roller coaster, bro. Season one was crazy enough as it is, but you know it was the introduction to everything. But season two, oh bro, that thing went insane, like realistically insane, I mean. Keep in mind, we wound up jumping from so many different things. It's when we're really starting to dive into relationships now. You know, yeah, solace's daughter and uh and then luna having them having an episode for them, kind of getting together. We had an episode where we just got a chance to focus on, uh, you know, millie and just ugh, the whole striker episode, bro, look first off. Striker's a dope ass character. I'm not gonna lie to you at least that's what I believe, until fucking episode 11. Man, fuck that nigga. Though I was so damn mad when I watched 11 when they all had that trial and I was like, bro, really, really man you out here stepping like that. You was just an assassin for hire. But now you out here wanting to lie on motherfuckers. Damn, it's just downright dirty shit. But they all demons though. So it makes sense. It makes sense.
Speaker 4:Uh, I really don't have, honestly, too much to say into this one. The music selection to this one was pretty dope. Um, I mostly liked the beginning. As far as like the first uh, about four episodes. I like the music, especially circus. Um, the story got hella deep in these little musical segments, getting a chance of understanding more of Stolas' past and Blitz's past, understanding their childhood together. But then it's also like this the music was really good in the first half as far as like just kind of vibing to. But as we got later on the music selection became more of just as an impact of just the story itself. And so it's not that I don't like that. That was actually really cool. But I'm not a musical person. If you throw a music in, it's just like something that's just there cool when it becomes like a major factor of the story. I completely understand and I'm not hating it. That's just not my cup of tea. I'm not a person that likes to sit around and watch musicals all day, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:I mean it's almost like okay, keep in mind that Vivian was heavily inspired and influenced by Disney, so and also Infamous 4. Well, I'm gonna say infamous, but like they're well known for having like musicals in their movies, it's almost like goddamn. I will be so surprised if there's any disney movies outside of the mcu or star wars that like a disney original movie or something like that. I'll be so surprised if there's not a musical number this is true, this is true.
Speaker 4:So it's like okay, this is definitely like it's a. It was a lot, it was a lot more to these musical numbers for me as this one, so that's why I was just like okay, it became much more intense.
Speaker 1:It was less noticeable in season one, but by season two and keep in mind, season two was like rolling out right in between Haspen Hotel being released. But even though Haspen Hotel was earlier last year, that's crazy. Like it's 2025 now I'm thinking like damn, like Haspen Hotel been out for like a year now.
Speaker 4:Crazy thinking like damn, like has been no tail down for like a year now.
Speaker 1:Crazy, and meanwhile, these episodes, like you were saying, like the first two was late 2022, most of them came out in 2023, and then we got episodes 8 through 12 on 2024. So, yeah, season 2 spread out throughout two years through 12 on 2024. So yeah, season two spread out throughout two years. Yep, yeah, I kind of imagined there were going to be more musical numbers in season two, but you want to know one musical number I really like and I already told Sebi and MJ this, this one, uh, two minute no, which one?
Speaker 4:okay, yeah, I like that one too.
Speaker 1:I I like that one too yeah, that was like my favorite one, because you know, if you ever I told him the same thing, if you ever had that job where it's like I really hate this job to a point to where you know what I'm done, like yeah, but the two week notice you're lucky, you get a two minute notice that part, like, honestly, that that chance seeing him finally break away from all the shit that he has dealt with and finally growing to being, you know, his own person, because he had been told all the time he was like being told by all the people really close to him.
Speaker 4:Yo, you know his own person Because he had been told all the time he was like being told by all the people really close to him. Yo, you know you don't need to let nobody just run you to death like this. And he's like no, you don't understand, without this I'm nothing. And it's one of those ones that like and it's crazy, you know, like we mentioned about Disney and MCU being part of Disney goes back to that one quote that iron man wound up saying to spider-man you know it was, I think, far from home and he's like no, not, this is you, take the suit, take soon away, I'm nothing.
Speaker 4:He said it was homecoming, homecoming, okay, but yeah, it's like it said, if you were nothing with, it said you're gonna take it. If the suit was everything to you, that means you were nothing.
Speaker 1:There's something along those lines, it was like it went along the lines of if you're nothing about the suit those lines it was just like it went along the lines of if you're nothing but the suit, then maybe you shouldn't have it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's right, and so it's just like you need to have faith in yourself, like you are more than just your numbers, you are more than just output. You're more than just what it is that you bring in. You are still a person, you are still a human being.
Speaker 1:I love how Ozzy put into perspective like, hey, man, you're not perfect, nobody's perfect, just be the best that you can be. But Phil was just insisting that he gotta be perfect for Mammon because he's his hero and all that shit. But obviously Mammon was just using him as a cash cow and like I just fucking hate how Mammon tried to blackmail Ozzy about their secret relationship and got to a point to where, you know what, I don't even care anymore. I'm gonna let the world know that yes, we're in a relationship whatever. And I'm like, oh, you gonna get it for that. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's that. But I just fucking love that for both Ozzy and Fizz definitely my favorite episode.
Speaker 1:Like I mean in a cathartic way, it's my favorite episode.
Speaker 4:I understood. Oh yeah, no, no, like I love just these moments into it where it's like the biggest thing into it is like the racism in this show is and it's one of those things that we're gonna call it that. That's exactly what it is. It's not just authoritarian classism, like yes, it's not just classism, it's literally that moment of like oh no, just because of who you are. Like even my stolus is stripped of everything, he's stripped of his power, he's stripped of his status and shit like that, literally. So I like how they were.
Speaker 1:Like Andy, by the way, let me just say side tangent before I forget. I'm gonna tell you the same thing that I told the ladies my favorite moment was when Stolas rolled up to the mansion to try to get Octavia back, and Andy intercepted him and then Stowess just fucking hit him square. The crazy part is, that's what I was thinking at that moment, because I fucking hate Andy, I just want. Stowess to punch him square in his feet, and he actually did it. Yes.
Speaker 4:I even said it out loud.
Speaker 1:I was like oh, yes, yes, beat his ass.
Speaker 4:I was like I even said that out loud I was like Fucking Chris Tucker From Money Talks.
Speaker 1:He was, like you know, at the ending when he was. Charlie Sheen Was just literally Kicking on Frankie's ass and. I was like Kick his ass, kick his ass, kick that motherfucking ass, kick his ass. I was like, oh yeah, get his ass. I was like, oh yeah, get it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was the same way, Like I literally was, just like I was telling my wife, as soon as he had jumped on to him, I said this is that moment where he's supposed to like beat him up, and it started well, and I was like, yeah, I said that's right, it was one of those moments where you're just like I feel proud as a dad, Like you know, just that moment like uh, but man, that that fight was intense, even my wife was just in here, just like they just went straight up fantasy power.
Speaker 1:But he just break hands. That's what I loved about it that part.
Speaker 4:He was like you know what I? He said fuck magic, I'm throwing hands, bro, like he was. He's throwing paul, literally literal pause, but you're throwing Pauls in there, bro.
Speaker 1:Talons.
Speaker 4:Was it Talons on their?
Speaker 3:hands? I don't know.
Speaker 1:He is a bird, you know, like owl-like. So I'm thinking Talons is me, yeah but they're not like only owls too.
Speaker 4:There's like some other stuff with it too. I think I don't even know. Honestly, I don't know. All we know is my mans was throwing hands and I was here for it, where I was cheering the whole boy home constantly, and then dude got mad and had to use his powers and he's like you're gonna pay for that. I'm just he's oh man. When he said do it, you ain't got the balls pussy. My wife was like oh, he said it.
Speaker 1:I made Sebi and I'm going to make it your two. The one thing I didn't like about Andy for sure was whenever he and Stella talked to each other. And keep in mind, it's almost like Stella lose IQ point every time she's in a room with Andy for some reason, like she's somehow stupid. But that's not the offensive part. The offensive part is Andy would be like oh my gosh, stella, you mean to tell me you knew the whole time that your husband was fooling around with this imp and he was also lending the grimoire to this imp, which is highly illegal? Like you had all this dirt on me. You didn't capitalize on that. Oh, bitch, you are lucky. You are very attractive. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute.
Speaker 4:Some.
Speaker 1:Jamie Lansdale type shit going on now.
Speaker 4:That scene threw me off too, but I mean, keep in mind, remember it was not uncommon, especially in the olden days it was not uncommon for people of high class to be sleeping with their family.
Speaker 1:That's what I said. I'm just saying, though, I'm like bro, bro, why?
Speaker 4:I get it, but why, though? That is just where we is at, bro. That is where we is at. It is disgusting, but it's the truth. But no like plus, they're demons anyway. So at this point it's kind of like you still gotta remember at the end of the day, they're gonna be demons. That's why they get away with it. It's disgusting, but still.
Speaker 1:But um One episode when Million Monty went undercover while was trying to find his sister and they were like really getting on on stage, sister, and they were like really Getting on on stage, you know like. Well, you know I mean context, but it did look bad.
Speaker 4:Absolutely, absolutely, but no, it's Honestly, it was just the whole insane thing in itself. Like this whole season was just, it was topsy turvy up and down, left to right. We was everywhere, we was everywhere they they was holding, they was pulling no punches onto this one, but, um, otherwise, though, I mean it was a dope season like this is just one of those ones I'm like okay, I'm feeling this like there's a lot going on, a lot more than I would feel comfortable with. It's a lot going on, but a lot more than I would feel comfortable with. It's a lot going on. But it's OK though, because in the end, things they're going to try to figure things out.
Speaker 4:Like, in the end, I'm not going to lie, but I was in my feels at the very end. So, because my biggest thing about it is when Stolas' daughter was like you know, that whole segment of just you chose him and this whole time, literally, you know Stolas is going through, as it is anyway, that my wife laughed her behind off when Stolas was like I'm poor, because it had dawned on him at that point that he's like oh wait, money coming in. Oh, my god, I'm poor.
Speaker 1:It was like hey, stolas so this is really how you feel. It was like in the heat of the moment he was like whatever it takes to protect uh blitz and the rest of imp from being executed, uh. But then afterwards it's like okay, it's not so bad, I can live with this. And then, once you realize that your resources got dry, it's like being that poor rich kid that just realized that his um got cut off by daddy and then it was like wait a minute. You mean, I have to work that part he said behind.
Speaker 4:He was like his job is really so simple just sit behind the desk and answer the call. Oh man him, oh he does the same thing. We always want these customers. All the time she was complaining, complaining, he says I have an idea. How about you shut the fuck up?
Speaker 1:I was like oh wait, a second. I'm not trying to judge, I'm not trying to pick on this particular dude, I don't even know I name, honestly, but I still remember this one time, like there was this uh guy that was working at starbucks and he was like having a meltdown, like even recording and shit, um, crying about how hard it is to work at starbucks. And I'm sitting here like I understand how sometimes jobs get stressful, but never, ever, did I ever thought let me have a mental breakdown and let the internet know.
Speaker 4:I'm like we don't have them thoughts, but keep in mind most of the internet does yeah.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make sense to me either. Yeah, so I'm like, yeah, I kind of get it, but keep that to yourself.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, like there's some things you got to keep personally on the inside man, like everybody don't need to know all your business man yeah, like who do you talk to trusted friends but going online telling everybody everything like they ain't?
Speaker 1:that's just this thing. I'm not trying to be heartless, but that's just not it, dude, that's just. That's just gonna make you look bad that I don't think you thought that honestly I'll be honest with most people do that.
Speaker 4:They usually don't think it all the way through, or if they do think it all the way through emotional. Uh yeah, decision yeah yeah, yeah, like it's just, uh, I just feel this way, this is that time. I'm just gonna go ahead and this is how I feel. I'm gonna let everybody know. I'm like okay, but just keep in mind who everybody is yeah, like some people, just really don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1:They will tear you to pieces. They don't care.
Speaker 4:My biggest gripes in this season is Stella, because I promise you crazy enough and I'm not even telling all my business, but just understand I have been through what Stolas has been through in some cases Not everything, but in some cases, but that one moment when they was sitting here joking about the fact he's been trying to call his daughter for a month Ooh Bruh, oh, I dig that part Like that right there. Oh man, I know dudes who have been through that, like I.
Speaker 1:I know dudes who have been through that, like I know dudes, and I'm hot and heated because, yes, there are cases where, yes, like you were saying, dudes have gone through these situations where all they're trying to do is see their kids, but meanwhile the mother is gatekeeping that opportunity and framing it as if, oh, he never want to be around a few kids. No, no, you are manipulating the situation.
Speaker 4:Exactly, and I will say this for any of you guys listening if y'all have been through this situation, even if you haven't been through, if you know someone has been through this. This is something important for you guys to know, because I have actually been able to help two people so far with this situation. If you can prove it, definitely make sure you reach out to a lawyer. If you can't prove it, the main thing you need to prove is this Get yourself a job, make sure you got your steady income, get a good place that has for you and for your kids, and then lawyer up and you can find you lawyers that you won't have to pay them anything until the situation is fully done. There are lawyers that way that's what you put on camera
Speaker 4:right because, like, that's all I'm going to say, like for reals though, like lawyer up bro, like it's important to understand this, like don't just don't trust the state. The state will choose the kid and then choosing the kid will make the worst decision because they don't know your kids, they don't know the family situation. The only thing they judge is do you got a house, do you have transportation to or from school or from work, and are you able to provide them with food and clothes? That's all that they care about. There's nothing else that's considered important into it. If you are able to provide that, you have a good chance. But don't give up.
Speaker 4:Keep pushing, because most states always side with the mother. Because most states always side with the mother. Most states always side with the mother. Even though you may have like a horrible mother and a good father, states naturally go for the mother because most kids want their moms, regardless of bad situations, as in it. However, if you can prove that you can help take care of them, that you can do things better for that child and not prove anything, don't you don't need to worry about. Oh, I need to go against the mother.
Speaker 4:I need to go against no, you don't, because don't demonize the mother exactly because if you're focusing so much on trying to demonize the mother, you will lose immediately, because at that point that makes it an unstable environment.
Speaker 1:You have a higher chance of the team going for both of y'all. You have any evidence of injustice? Like hey, to be fair, you kind of fucked me over and you're free.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, like you have proof into things, cool, but otherwise your main thing is provide that you can do what you need to do for your kids, and lawyers are better than child support. Don't go through the state, don't rely on the state. Go to court, prove your case and into things, because you can get more than just a weekend, more than just weekend visits and stuff. You can get more than having to pay nine, one thousand dollars a month in child support. Bro, like, don't rely on the state, get a lawyer. There's plenty of family lawyers out there and like, just figure things out. Man, we're no longer at a point that you're like, oh, I have to stay in a relationship for the kid. No, a lot of times that destroys families, that destroys the kids mentality, because the kid will have that same thing that stolts his daughter felt so you, just so you had to take this medicine from me. Was it me? Was I so much of a burden that you, that you had to take this medicine and stuff, and then the kid's not gonna understand. No, I tried to stay for the family. But here's the thing, though again, it doesn't always work right. It's okay to leave, but you need to make sure you talk with your kids. You need to make sure you talk with your kids and you need to make sure you got a good lawyer, because I promise you you'll help out, because I felt horribly hard about this, because the thing about this I can at least say this aspect About Storys' daughter I can't remember her name for some reason.
Speaker 4:I think it's because I'm Octavia. One thing I can say remember her name for some reason. I think I'm because I'm Octavia. One thing I can say with Octavia is the fact that she could hear that her dad was trying to reach out to her and it's only because her mom and her uncle was just like laughing it off and joking and doing all this type of nonsense with it. But there's a lot of kids that don't get that information.
Speaker 4:They will never know that you tried to call, because there are some parents and I say this and not just mothers, but also there are some unfortunately deadbeat dads out there too, and not just deadbeat and not being present, deadbeat that are present and have taken them away from mothers and mothers are trying what they can and don't know. So it's like there are kids that will not know that their parents have been trying. The other parent has been trying to reach them. Just that's why it's very important that you do what you got to do and have try your best to have a good line of communication, do the best you can to get out there. So but that whole segment was hard. That was a hard thing to deal with because I was just like yo, that right there was. I told y'all I already hated stella after season one, like in season one.
Speaker 1:Y'all remember I said I absolutely hated stella and season two if you didn't have enough for you in the heater, there you go that part, bro.
Speaker 4:I think I can hit somebody worse, bro. You're like damn. But I will say this stella's a true demon, though that's the one thing. I would definitely say that she fits the exact bill of a demon. She literally just wanted to use Stolas for power, got the power by giving him a child, stole the child from him, stole the power from him and relishes in his torment. That's exactly what a demon would do, absolutely. She's a. What a demon would do absolutely. She's a. She's a true fucking demon, bro.
Speaker 1:That's just what it is um, I do find it kind of funny how I was gonna mention this but I kind of forgot. But I did like how it's kind of funny that when those did everything, um, andy was like celebrating and shit, but then satan. By the way, I did like his Design for Satan. Like I like his design. I like how he had this little buddy trying To you know anger management Type shit, like okay, breathe, satan, breathe. You know, I thought that was definitely, but main thing I liked was that when he got stripped Of his powers excuse me, it was only Going to be for a hundred years and Andy was- like man what I'm like.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, like you know, he's still royalty like. I'm not like look, considering that Demons live for A long time, it's like a hundred years just feels Like a slap on the wrist.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah To Andy, it definitely feels like a slap on the wrist, but Solas, it means a hundred years he won't slapping risk. But solace, that means a hundred years he won't have his daughter. That's going to be a lot.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, because that's the thing it's like even if it's a hundred years that you're powerless, that just means that it's a hundred years that you just be estranged from your daughter, who's already feeling like, oh, oh, you don't ever want to do anything with Nina, but hold on like in, like season 1 and season 2, like, especially when they went to LA to find her after, like, stolas forgot them the biggest issue that Stolas had is the fact that he was so in his depression and it's a real thing, especially for parents.
Speaker 4:Some parents get so deep in their depression that they wind up losing track of their kids, and this was a big thing for him. Remember one of the things that she said specifically I enjoyed when she ran away because of her frustration. He was like I took you to the theme park, but then she was like I enjoyed coming here. I was eight oh yeah, I'm not eight anymore and it's that moment for him when he didn't realize that he had been battling depression his depression for years.
Speaker 1:so his mind antidepressant bottles and I'm like.
Speaker 4:So he had been battling this depression for years. So, because he had been battling it for years, in his mind she was still an eight year old girl. He missed her growing up. He was present and absent at the same time. And that's a big thing for a lot of parents, though, is that there's a lot of parents are like oh, you still my baby, you still my baby. No, they have not been your baby for a long time and you have to learn to let them grow up, and that's a big thing. And it's like you, you're so caught up that you, you're forgetting your kids. And it's like no, I still make sure I feed them, I still make sure I clothe them. Cool, you hit the basic necessities, but what about their mentality? What about how they growing up? What about them, them talks and conversations and stuff? I don't look at my kids and think they're still the same little kids that they were four or five years ago. I know that they're older.
Speaker 1:Ironically, sometimes parents go through it so much that they ironically become emotionally available, unavailable to their kids. Yes, exactly. And it's not on purpose. Like it's not a purpose.
Speaker 4:Like it's not a slam, it's not, it's not slamming on anyone like it's a real thing, is it? It happens unintentionally like you become that robot like click. You know the movie click with adam sandler. That moment where that became a big issue for his parents with before um, for his kids when he got older was it was like, yeah, you were here, but it was like you weren't at the same time and he mentally wasn't. You could jump that into the same thing as far as his depression how dark it was, like it's.
Speaker 1:I love how it started off, lighthearted and all fun and shit, but then he got um crazy with the remote to a point where, oh yeah, this is what happened, bro, and it. I mean, I know it was like way later, but it just reminds me of rick and morty in hindsight, to where, now that we're thinking about click, it also reminds me of the rick and the vat of acid episode, to where, yeah, you've been um redoing all this shit and you've been reliving all these moments and all that, but you're just missing out on the bigger picture. Like, um, you just been redoing, so all that shit that you've been doing has happened. But I mean it's different, I know, but, like, sometimes you just get lost in the thought that you keep, you lose track of um, the present moment. You know what I mean exactly all right.
Speaker 4:Well, I'm at the end of my time onto this one, but I do want to go ahead and finish off in this last little bit. So it's the fact that I do have hopes that things are going to wind up getting better. It ended on such a sour note. Um, the last thing about it is is that my wife has already told me she wants. My wife is doing little tits. She's been doing a lot more tiktoks but, um, she's gonna probably be doing using that one one, that one verbiage from Satan, and I do like that. It has Satan and Lucifer separate, and I like that. They made that reference to Hasbun Hotel too. Lucifer is just not present. They have his seat there, but his seat is fucking like cobwebs and shit Like.
Speaker 1:Sebi pointed out. I like how they left a little rubber ducky because you have to have seen has it's been held for that to make sense that part. Oh, one more thing before I let you go. I did as a dad. I'm sure you can appreciate this moment where, back when you know, solas and IMP was looking for Octavia, meanwhile Bliss was on the show as Brandon Rager, you know Solas and IMP was looking for Octavia, meanwhile Bliss was on the show as Brandon Rager, you know, like a parody of Brandon Rogers. Point being is that that moment where you get a flashback of him introduced to Luna and it's kind of like his memory of adopting luna led into his acting and just love how he was so overprotective of luna, like it's like I love her, no one's gonna take her away from me, and it's like even though, yeah, um, in the show it was a dog, but he was thinking of luna the whole time and I'm just like that's how you can tell that Blitz really loved Luna as a daughter, like I still love it, how that?
Speaker 1:my favorite moment, my favorite Blitz and Luna moment, was when it was the Baraska episode, the first one, and essentially Blitz was kind of embarrassing Luna. He was like like oh, your purpose always shut up, dad. And then he lit up like a Christmas tea, like call me dad, I'm like no, shut up, I didn't call you that my favorite moment between them is the fact that she literally kissed him and said I love you, dad.
Speaker 4:That one right there was so touching. That was on episode 12. So it was like seeing them actually had that moment where they like grew together, they're growing up more to closer together. It was, it was amazing, um. But I think the last thing but yeah, you're gonna be hearing probably some little segments, uh, where solace, right before he was thought that he was gonna get executed, was like, oh, uh, okay, so can I go? Oh, no, no, no, you know you fucked up. Uh, we still got to figure out your punishment. So, like, just understand, there's probably gonna be some segments using that particular audio, because that made my wife laugh entirely too hard. Um, but no, great, definitely. And also one thing last thing, sorry, really quick.
Speaker 4:Satan and lucifer being two different people is one of the things I absolutely appreciate, because it lets you know that dizzy does more than just the bit, more than just reference the christian bible, because in the christian bible is pretty much the same. But, as y'all know, I dive into all things mythology. Technically christian and judaism is actually considered a mythology based on science. Um, so I do have looked into them as well too, but understand in a lot of jewish belief based upon how it's written in the jewish bible, in the quran. As far as the muslim bible is actually saying, the lucifer are two different entities, and apparently has always been the case. However, in the christian bible, they wind up fusing them together to make it seem like it was only one person.
Speaker 1:In actuality it's two, so I really did appreciate that little detail that's crazy when you think about it because, like, here's the thing like, growing up in christian household, yes, like I was told that, yes, satan and lucifer are the same, but it's almost like I knew they were different. The moment where it's like, okay, I heard different versions of the mythology being told, but I keep thinking of hitman reborn to where. Keep in mind, the varia are like italian versions, like all their names, it's like inspired by the seven rings of hell and with Zanzas and um, what was it? Uh, lusuria, not Lusuria, it was one of them. But point being is that, uh, it was always clear that, okay, satan and Lucifer are two different things. Because it's almost like Satan represents wrath and Lucifer represents pride. That, because it's almost like Satan represents wrath and Lucifer represents pride. That's what I knew.
Speaker 4:Yep, because one of those things as far as like their main things into why it was there, why they would be in hell, so yeah, it's a whole big thing into that. But you know I already had touched base a little bit onto that when we talked about Hasbro Hotelels as well too. So we'll see Maybe things kind of progress further. But otherwise, definitely make sure you check out our. Get more blogs up onto our website, zone-alliancecom, of course, more stuff into our Discord. Otherwise that's all the time that I have, so we'll go ahead and head up out of here.
Speaker 1:All righty folks. Guys, thank you for being on the show and I thank you, dear listener, for being on with us to the end. Remember to stay nerdy and that great things are coming. Go ahead and have yourself a good morning, good afternoon and good evening, but, above all else, take it easy.
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