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Magic the Gathering (Foundations): Stand-out Cards, Secret Lair Drops and a Peek at 2025
Ready to uncover the secrets of the latest Magic: The Gathering sets? We're offering an exclusive look at the unexpected early release of the Foundations set, where we dissect standout cards like Hare Apparent and the strategic potential of Kaito the Cunning Infiltrator. Discover how these cards, along with their captivating artwork, can transform your deck-building experience. Whether you're a fan of ninja-themed decks or looking for new ways to harness token generation, our exploration promises fresh insights and creative strategies.
Step into the intricate world of Magic's strategic card interactions. We journey through the powerful realms of blue and black cards, examining self-milling tactics to unleash octopus tokens and the devastating potential of Bloodthirsty Conqueror. Delve into the synergy between Tiny Bones variants and other game-changing cards, as we uncover the depth of strategy required to master these combinations. Our exploration highlights the creativity and intricate plays these cards bring to the table, enhancing your gameplay and deck-building prowess.
The fiery power of red cards awaits as we chart a path through explosive synergies and deck-building excitement. Imagine the destructive force of the Twin Flame tyrant dragon paired with Fiery Emancipation, or the cunning tactics of Atali, Primal Storm. We also share our enthusiasm for upcoming Magic releases, including Secret Lair drops and thrilling crossovers like the Spongebob and Final Fantasy sets. As we return to the tangible world of physical card gaming, we celebrate the evolving landscape of Magic: The Gathering and the joy of crafting themed decks with friends. Join us for an episode filled with passion, strategy, and opportunities to elevate your game.
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This call is now being recorded and what's going on with the 2025 release window. So, without further ado, let's go ahead and zone in on it. First of all, let me just say, with Foundations and the Marvel Secret Lair drop, I honestly thought that was going to be like 2025. I was, like, fully prepared to be like, okay, so no more MGT. Excuse me, magic talk for like Until maybe January. Maybe we're working out, oh shit, like Foundations coming out this year. Excuse me, uh, magic talk for like until maybe january paper or what now? Oh shit, like foundation is coming out this year in november. Oh okay, oh shit in the okay. So let's go ahead and talk about it. Uh, foundations, let's start with that, and I'm gonna do something a little different. Like in this set, not a whole lot really stuck out to me, but there were some cards that did. I'm just saying that there wasn't a whole lot of cards that caught my interest, just more like some cards. Okay, I want to talk about this one Starting up in white.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I want to build a deck around it. Maybe it would work for that Bloom Burrow set with the bird, like Xenia or the rabbit, but here, apparent, it's the new deck can have any number of cards named this creature and essentially, when it enters you create a number of 1-1 rabbit creature tokens equal to the number of hair of parents that you have on the field. So it's like a token spawn type thing, a 2-drop, 2-2. Yeah, I'm gonna get it. There is other cards that I want to talk about. You know what? That was just the one card from white, but tell us anything from white that caught your eye.
Speaker 2:Let's see here. So, relatively for me, as far as white goes, it wasn't too much Like don't get me wrong, I play white every now and again, but it wasn't too much that I can say.
Speaker 2:It just was like oh yeah, you know this stood out here, this was this, this was this, this is this and, like I said, it was just some of them. Don't get me wrong. Now, mind you, I am a very much so a Planeswalkers fan, so I do follow some of the artwork by Johnny. I do like some of the artwork. So let's see, let's see what else. Um, the. Now the first one, the Arbo, the Canavatar. Yeah, I like that one too. Like I say, full art-wise. So, mind you, what was catching my eye out of the way you said? It was like literally some of the uh, like it was just the art, it was just the art styles of it. It wasn't really too much, like I said, it wasn't really too much for me to say, oh, yeah, you know. Hey, this is what I was playing. Once again, full arts had these tokens.
Speaker 2:That was definitely another one, and, like I said, once again, it was pretty much good. I ain't gonna lie, I've never said this before, but the fact that the crystal barricade, full art, a wall, stood out to me, like you know. So, yeah, that's why I was like, alright, I can take certain ones and look at that, but as far as it goes, claim wise, nothing really stood out. I mean to me, for this set, if I got to pick a creature out of the white, I'm going with the cat tribes. My spirit animal is a cat anyway, but I'm going with the cat tribe because we put cats where it's at this time. That's just me, though. That's, that's me I got you.
Speaker 1:I'm fair enough, and funny that you mentioned planeswalker, because in the blue set, I'm with you when it comes down to certain colors, because I'm like and I don't really care for any cards in this color, so for maybe, hair, apparently, okay, kind of interesting if you're trying to build a deck around it. So okay, okay, but in blue, the only one that stuck out for me, funny enough, a planeswalker, kaito the cunning infiltrator. A three drop, uh. Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put a loyalty counter on kaito. So that's very good when you're like trying to swing, especially when you have a ninja deck and you have a whole bunch of ninjas, that's like unblockable and all that shit. Uh, shout out to hidden ninja. Uh, he's gonna be part of the inner circle now and we're gonna get him into uh starting up some dnd campaigns because he might be a dm. And we're gonna get him into uh starting up some dnd campaigns because he want to be a dm and we're gonna set him up with some uh miniatures and whatnot, and we're gonna also try to get him into magic because he also like ninjas. So I'm trying to go him into making a ninja deck. But anyways, with kaito, uh, his loyalty abilities plus up to one target creature you control can't be blocked. This turn, draw a card, then discard a card, so see, automatically there's payoff to that static ability that Kaito has.
Speaker 1:Negative two create a 2-1 blue ninja creature token. Okay, okay, I'm kind of on the fence about it, because it's kind of interesting if you already ulted. But before ulting, I would say hold on to that negative 2. Don't use the negative 2 just yet, wait until you ult. Negative 9, you get an emblem with whenever a player that means even the opponent casts a spell any spell, you create a 2-1 blue ninja creature token. Now, see, right there, that's what makes this very interesting, because essentially your opponent could be like storming off. I'm like, okay, no, I'm gonna allow this because you're just building up my army, it's okay. So, uh, tell us, how about you? Anything in blue that stuck out?
Speaker 2:Okay, so all green here in blue right. Um, For me, like I say, I'm with you, like with the ninjas. Uh, prosperous Thief, uh, is one definitely, like I said, I love a good ninja suit. I love a good ninja suit. Um, um, now the ninja Tokens are looking very nice, so, um, definitely to look out for those.
Speaker 1:Uh, let's see what else can I add on to where there's not a whole lot of? I mean, there are, but it's more like, if you want to build a very solid, cohesive ninja deck, kaito kind of helps, especially since kaito was in the last set, thus more so. It's like ninjas are getting love nowadays and at this point it's like you don't really need. It's more like less. It's more in this case where they're adding more utility to one card, so that way you don't necessarily need to like fill up the deck with too many ninjas. That's just going to be out of place with your uh, main strategies.
Speaker 1:More like have, like kaito or somebody like, uh, yuriko or um, there was like some others that really stuck out, but like that's not the time for that. But point being is that there's some ninjas to where it's like they do most of the work anyways. So any of those other jump blockers or whatever the case may be, it's like and they're not really necessary if they're only like a one-off type thing. You kind of want to have, um, this new kaito to where it's like okay, you can just fill up your battlefield with a whole bunch of ninjas. Hell, let your opponent do the work for you. Smart work. Essentially you will say Talos, tax fraud, tax fraud.
Speaker 2:Once again, tax fraud. Say it with me, folks, Tax fraud is only fun in Magic the Gathering. We want you to understand. But so yeah, Another one. I relatively like Kiora, the Rising Tide, that full art, I mean, even the non-full art one is good. But like y'all don't understand that threshold, Like literally, once again, this is where we commit tax fraud. Ladies and gentlemen, we understand that the first ability says hey, draw two cards, then discard two cards. We're not worried about that. It's the threshold when she attacks, and if there are seven or more cars in the graveyard, I can create a sign of deep eight, eight blue octopus creature token and here's the thing about that how you can break that to where you're already running blue.
Speaker 1:so your deck's probably going to be built around milling your own deck anyways, and also keep in mind that there's cards where if you mill yourself out and you have like no cards in your library, you win the game. So it really depends on what card you add into that deck. But the main thing is once again.
Speaker 2:Right, this is where let me explain tax fraud For those of y'all that don't know. Right, we're not worried about decking out, milling out and et cetera, et cetera. We're not worried about that. Let me explain why. Because we're playing out of the graveyard in banishment areas, exile, what is that? Oh, we just get to play cards for free, that's tax evasion, blast blinking and all that shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hell, yeah, I mean hell. I never said I hated blue, it's just more like hey, man, don't get too comfortable, I got something for you.
Speaker 2:Look. But yes, like, like I said, that's the reason why I sit here and tell folks like, yeah, you know, hey, I'm not worried, I was never worried. And then look, when you got creatures that we're sending to the graveyard, like, like, legit, a grappling kraken, come on, come on now, like we're sending kraken to the graveyard or we're sending, you know, the gear seeker serpent and we just pulling those right back from exile or graveyard. It's just like, don't ask no questions, pulling those right back from exile or graveyard. It's just like, don't ask no questions. I got you. So, yes, like, blue is one of those ones. That's literally like, yeah, like blue is not my home base, but it's always one of those places that I. It's one of those places that I love, it's one of those elements that I love, and I can wholeheartedly tell you now that there are a lot of good creatures in blue. I give it that there are a lot of good creatures in blue.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, especially when you pair them up with like put them in like Simic, and I'm like, oh man, simic goes fucking crazy. Like there's this one chick in Simic where I'm like, look here, this chick concerns me. But I'll get to her in just a moment. Let's go to Blacks, where actually, in Black I want to say, there's at least two cards that keep my interest. One of them bloodthirsty conqueror, five, drop, five, five. Vampire knight with flying and death touch. Essentially he's like sanguine blood or exquisite bloods, where whenever an opponent loses life, you gain that much life. You put him and one of those other enchantments on the field. I'm like all you have to do is make your opponent lose one life and it's over. It's like it balances infinitely until you just reign completely out of life. That's the first one.
Speaker 2:Yes, go ahead the full art.
Speaker 1:Yes, I love that that I want that one, I love it, I love it that one and the fractured full full art like those two.
Speaker 2:Like I know, once again, I normally don't hunt for these levels of cards, but if I just was sitting here and I'm like you know what, I got the money to spend. Yeah, I'm going to hunt for those cards. I would hunt for those cards. So it would be offensive, but it survived.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, the second black card that caught my interest, another Tiny Bones Bubble Burglar. Now, I remember ever since Outlaws of Thunder Junction. That's the first time I heard of Tiny Bones and it's like it seemed like. Every time there's a Tiny Bones variant it's like something about it. I'm like, ooh, I can work with you, but this one, this one's like a cheaper Turgrit in a way. It's like a Turgrit with extra steps. In a way Hear me out, it's a two drop of one, three skeleton rogue.
Speaker 1:Whenever an opponent discard a card, exile it from their graveyard to their graveyard, excuse me, exile it from their graveyard with a stash counter on it. All right, stay with me. During your turn you may play cards you don't own with stash counters on them from exile, and mana of any type can be spent to cast those spells. And if you have three of any color and one black and tap tiny bones, each opponent discards a card. You know, kind of just kickstart that whole ability and then you can activate it only as a sorcery. Now, like I said, this is like a cheaper turgid, like a sleeper turgid in a way. But if you already have turgret, then good for you, but if you don't, then hey, pick up tiny bones. If you got running black, oh yeah, go ahead, tell us most definitely like.
Speaker 2:Like that one is one of those that I definitely love out of black. That has a nice uh you, a nice little effect. Another one that I like is Gorex, the Tome Shell. Now, as you know, with black you typically will see the cost of hey, you know, as an additional cost. You exile any number of creature cards from your graveyard, you know, and this spell costs basically two less to cast for each card exiled. This way it has death touch, but the main feature of it you know that I love is whenever it attacks or dies, you can choose a card at random exile with Gorex and put that card into its owner's hands, and therein lies that little combo that I was going to get to Like. I love that. Like once again, once again. Right, black and blue. So so much, so much, so nice. Hey, you just exiled your cards for this, though, I can give them back. Huh, I can attack you with my commander and, oh, look, they're back. What?
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they never left. So what do you mean? That's why I say like, once again, cynic, it's there. Like I originally wish that car had full art I do, but I know not everything is going to have full arts and stuff, you know. So I'm not going to lie, though, Going back through it High Society, Hunter, the Vampire, Noble, that's full art. I like it Once again. I love those. Let's see what else Was it in Black? Because there were a couple of others. Let's see.
Speaker 1:Blastka's edit was Interesting. Oh yeah, uh, blast because egg it was uh interesting. Oh yeah, it was a five drop. Uh, you may pay, uh, black one black, rather than pay, dispels mana cost if there are 13 or more creatures on battlefield and each player sacrifices 13 creatures of their choice. Now, yes, that may be a double-edged sword, but if you have something like, say, the master multiplies, where sacrifice your creature doesn't apply to you, you can make all the other players sacrifice thirteen creatures. And remember what I said about turkish whenever you sacrifice a creature, you price of creature. You pretty much get there. So I'm like, yeah, so I'm not worried. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, here we go. Now here are. Here's a card that I definitely relatively love, and I think I might build a deck around it Myogen I believe it's called Myogen of the Night's Reach. Reason I like this is not because of art, but because the effect. So, uh, myogen's knight reach enters the divinity counter on it if you cast it from your hand and it has the indestructible, as long as it has a divinity counter on it. Well, a divinity counter my bad. A Divinity Counter on it? Well, a Divinity Counter my bad. A Divinity Counter on it. Now being that it's 5-2, huh, no, no, no go ahead.
Speaker 2:Being that it's 5-2, you would think, okay, that's relatively nothing. That's it is what it is Like. I said that's not the fun part. You can remove a Divinity Counter from it and then each opponent discards their hand.
Speaker 1:There it is.
Speaker 2:The entire hand.
Speaker 1:I got one word for that fellas Proliferation.
Speaker 2:Look, hey, your friend has game in hand. First turn Nope, no, they don't Not anymore.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, you thought you were going to have a combat, so like.
Speaker 2:I said they had certain ones. But yes, that was one of the ones.
Speaker 1:You got counters in those Board wipes in your hand, not anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not anymore.
Speaker 1:Those are going to the graveyard, so yeah, even better if you're able to Like, say you can cast their instances and sorceries With certain abilities like. Yeah, like in fact your Board wipes and counters Are mine. Now, when there's a will, there's a way.
Speaker 2:Oh, of course. Um, there's another one that I relatively like Um, and once again this goes Towards cards that come later. Uh, it's Rev. Uh, you know, the tithe Extracted Rev. Basically, you know, once again, the first ability Is not relatively, is not relatively a pain. You know she, whenever she attacks, she target creature, gains death, touch until end of turn. Um, but it's the second part. That's relatively nice.
Speaker 2:Whenever one or more creatures I control deal, combat, damage to a player, create a treasure token, then look at the top card of that player's library, mm-hmm, and exile it face down. Then I can cast that card for as long as it remains exiled. And any treasure tokens that I create, they are an artifact with the nice ability of tap and sacrifices. Artifact. Add one mana of any color, meaning meaning it doesn't matter what mana it is, wait, but you don't play, you're not playing Red in that deck. I am now Like I said so that Black had some definitely interesting stuff. They could hear the obelisks looking at it and I'm like, yeah, so Black had some definitely interesting stuff. They could hear the octopus looking at it and I'm like, yeah, yeah, these can come to the collection, these can definitely come to the collection.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, oh, you know what. Let me talk about some red cards that caught my interest. Wild enough, I can't believe I'm saying this. For the first time in years, a Chandra planeswalker caught my interest. Wild enough, I can't believe I'm saying this. For the first time in years, a Chandra Planeswalker caught my interest. Check this out. This new one, chandra Flameshaper. Seven drop Comes with six loyalty counters. So it's like okay, fair enough, fair enough, well played. And here's the loyalty abilities on her. Plus two Add three red. You exile the top three cards of your library. Choose one, play that card this turn. So you play that for free. Like, straight up. Like you better hope you have a high drop too. Plus one. Now there is a minus, though, and it's not even that much. But hear me out. The plus one. I like this one.
Speaker 1:Create a token that's a copy of target creature you control, except it has haste, and at the beginning of the end, step sacrifices token. You're thinking like okay, what's the difference? Like okay, first of all, you highly underestimate the fact that we can spawn a shitload of tokens, and remember when I said the max to multiply, or when we talked about blue and how you can blink creatures and whatnot. Like yeah, like you can pretty much cancel that shit out to where I don't have to sacrifice that token at the end of the turn. So I'm like I can like pretty much find a loophole in the rules in that sense. So I can just pretty much build up and create copies of creatures that's already on the field and you want to get creatures to where it kind of beefs up your uh reserves or your army in some way. Like, say, for instance, like if I'm running red and green and have nick's boon agent on the field, I can tap any permanent for triple mana. So if I keep making copies of that like especially if I have Springheart Nantuko on him and you can already do your research on that card.
Speaker 1:I already said it in the uh, what's that he was in? Uh, ah, fuck, I forgot. It was like recent too. Um, fuck, it, don't worry about it. It came out early this year but we already talked about him. But uh, point being is that if you have Springheart and Nantugo on a Nibblen Age and you keep spawning out tokens, you just bidding out a whole lot of mana, and you pretty much do the same thing with Chandra. It'll be like more work, but it's possible. That's what's up. Hold on, hold on. I'm almost done. Uh, the negative four, that's the last. Loyalty ability uh, chandra deals eight damage, divided as you choose among any number of target creatures and or planeswalker. So yeah, that's obvious because, like chandra and um red planeswalker tend to do that. But, uh, I want to say this is the first time a chandra, uh planeswalker is like you know what. I might pick this one up uh, chandra, uh flame shaper, all right yeah, uh, the second one.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know what, since we're talking about alternate art and whatnot Twin Flame, tyrant, that two-headed dragon with five, drop, three, five, if a source you control would deal damage to an opponent or a permanent, an opponent control deal double that damage instead. So have that dragon. And, by the way, shout out to Hero Pendragon, we're also getting him into Magic the Gatherer. We're trying to build him a dragon deck. Imagine having this dragon and you have shit like Fiery Emancipation City on Fire, burners of Wrath, where you're just like constantly multiplying that damage and all you have to do is hit him with like a Dragon's Approach. And, by the way, dragon's Approach is like the red version of hair's apparent, where you just deal three damage to each opponent and you have as many dragons approach as possible, um, in that deck. So you just keep hitting with like one or two dragons approach and you get dealt 60 damage with two sorceries.
Speaker 1:I love it, I'm all for it. And oh, that Japanese showcase art that one had the sauce, that one had the sauce for real. But what about you, talazal? Anything in red that stuck out to you?
Speaker 2:oh, most definitely, most definitely. So. Now, once again, outside of the Planeswalker, however, for me, and outside of Tyrant, because Tyrant was another one too, but my major one was Atali Primal Storm, which is the Elder Dinosaur. Yeah, you know, I like playing Jurassic Park. So I'm going to tell you right now, wholeheartedly, like I said, and the simple fact of and I know it might seem like it's a recurring theme, you know, but once again, I'm an orange lantern.
Speaker 2:So the saying goes what's mine is mine, what's yours is mine, mine, mine, mine. In this case, it's the dinosaur. That holds true Because whenever it's all the attacks, we exile the top cards of each player's library. Then I can cast any number of spells from among those cards without paying their mana cost, number of spells from among those cards that I paid their mana cost. I want you to understand the level of. I care less about your feelings. Oh look, oh look, you have a nice blue counter right there. Be ashamed if I use it on you For free, for free. So, like I said, you know, like there was just oof Once again, those right there, relatively, are the ones that intrigued me, same ones that you saw, plus that one.
Speaker 1:Like that one definitely Intrigued me so much. Oh, you know the Gitsch app and the Penthouse Players gonna love this one.
Speaker 2:Oh, most definitely.
Speaker 1:Was there something else?
Speaker 2:Okay, hold on, let me see here, cause I relatively you know, like I said, I can't book the period I had a couple of One for the art which was killing the Planner trailblazer, um, that full art. So this one right here is a Is a human fairy scout, which I was like, okay, this might be interesting. Um, so now, while it's a scout, if you just pay one plus a flame, plus, uh, if a scout, it becomes a detective in games whenever, uh, killing deals, combat, damage to a player, exile the top card or the library, and you can play this card, this turn, or for two in a flame, and if it's a detective, it becomes a 3-2 human fairy rogue in games, double strike, interesting, it's very nice, don't get me wrong, it's nice. I would like to see somebody build a deck around it. I would like to see somebody build a deck around it and see what you can do. So that would be something very interesting yeah it's.
Speaker 1:It's almost like he works like a slow creeper, like one of those sagas or uh, one of those uh ancient ah damn, I'm thinking like you know, like the sagas or uh those enchantments with like levels and shit like level one level. You gain enchantments with levels and shit like level 1, level 2. You gain the last ability. It works like that, but it comes in so cheap. But as soon as you get to the second one, the second ability, it's like holy shit. So let me get this straight. So he's a 3-2 with Double Strike. He also gains Whenever he deals common damage To a player as a top card and you can play that card, that turn, and go right back into the Itali card where you can Just pretty much, yeah, like, oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:So that's why I say like legit, I wanted to see how Somebody would run him, and that would be something I would you know. I say like legit, I wanted to see how somebody would run him, and that would be something I would you know, I would like to see.
Speaker 1:You know, just take Hold on, I was mistaken. There was a third Red card that caught my interest. And once again, to hero Pendragon, when I Show him later, right of the dragon caller, like gotta look out for the fellow Dracomancers out there. Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, create a 5-5 red dragon creature token with flying. So yeah, dragon decks are usually good at spitting out dragon creatures. So that's why I say that I'm gonna work on an Ur-Dragon deck to where I'm like, oh yeah, I'm gonna fully on a earth dragon debt to where I'm like, oh yeah, I'm gonna fully invest on like spitting out a whole bunch of dragons, like damage multipliers, a whole bunch of shit. Like see, honestly, with like I would say I really need red, blue, maybe green to buff my army, but white and black would probably be like maybe for shenanigans, but I'm pretty much good with red, blue and green. Like have like mirim in there too. So if I have like those three colors alone, dragons would be alright. So like, wait until I build the deck and then I'll just put it on moth's field or something. But uh oh um, let's just go ahead and try to get through some of these real quick, like I'm really trying to get through the new cards, because everything else like pretty much like lands, full art, um shit, and there's other things we need to talk about too, so let's just go ahead and knock a few of these out the way. Uh and green. I would say that the only thing that stuck out to me was the new loot card to where you play additional land. So for the landfall players, this is good for us. Uh, the second ability um, six, you know, two green for any color. Look at the top six cards of your library. Feel creature card with less than equal to the number of lands you control. Uh, put it on the battlefield, put the rest of the bottom land in the order. So it basically is like a creature fetch, but it depends on the length, how many lands you have. And, once again, very good for landfall, like if you have azusa or other creatures where you play additional lands land. So very good.
Speaker 1:Monstorn Hydra, another Landfall creature, where if you pay attention to loot, it's benefit on this Hydra here to where it comes in with a 1-1 counter. Whenever a land you control enters, double the number of 1-1 counters on it, and it also has trample. So there you go, preposterous proportions, uh, creature control game 10, 10 and game vigils until end of turn, like yeah, it's a one-off, or if you plan on doing like a big win, there you go. Uh, silver and scavenging. This will work well with the bellow creature from um bloom burrows where you either, at the end of your end step, beginning of your end step, excuse me uh either put a one, one counter on target creature or create a three, three green raccoon. Uh, if you control a creature of power for a greater reason why I say bellow is because with bellow, every enchantment and artifact you control with mana for a greater, mana value for a greater, becomes a creature with four, four. So boom, there you go.
Speaker 1:Uh, in the multicolor there's the new alicia who laughs at fate. Yeah, she's, she's pretty cool. Uh, I'm not really gonna go into the abilities. We try to um kind of press for time. A new Niv-Mizzet. Okay, hold on, I got time for this new Niv-Mizzet because I'm trying to build a dragon deck. Anyways, the new one flying, no maximum hand size. Whenever a source you control deals non-combat damage to an opponent, you draw that many cards. So, yeah, fun you draw that many cards.
Speaker 2:So yeah, x -Prod Fun. Ah, yes, yes, yes, you see it, you see it.
Speaker 1:Okay, remember when I told you that there was this chick in Simit? That kind of scares me. Yeah, come on. Okay, now, in the last, where the one she was talking about like prime numbers and shit, I was like whoa, hold on, you're throwing a lot of math at me. But there's this new one now to where, at the beginning of your combat, of your turn, put a one, one counter on each of up to two target creatures you control, and for a green and blue and tap them on, you double the number of each kind of counter of up to two target creatures and or artifacts you control. So hold on, wait a minute. Let me put some pippin in it, because here's an artifact that makes coda arms irrelevant banner of kinship.
Speaker 1:As this artifact enters, choose a creature type. This artifact enters with a fellowship counter on it for each creature type you, each creature you control of the chosen type, creatures you control of the chosen type. Get one, one for each fellowship counter on this artifact. So this one is based on the timing to where you do it at the right time. You can like say you have 20 of the same creature type. You put this on the field. You made 20 fellowship counters and each of your creatures with the same creature type gets 20, 20 and once again, say it with me now proliferation oh yeah one more thing from the artifacts, and then I'm going to hand it to you.
Speaker 1:Talos, ley line axe pretty interesting. It's essentially kind of like the ley line cards, but if you have this in your opening hand you can put on the um feel at the very beginning, so you don't have to pay the four and equip creature. You control. Well, equip creature gets one one. It has double strike and trample, so it makes it kind of threatening already and of course you have to equip a 3 of any color. So yeah, like there's some interesting things going on here and there, but not a whole lot of cards to talk about. Just, you know some cards that's like, okay, I might look into this, but uh, talos, anything else you got for this set?
Speaker 2:Alright, so real quick. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, I'm not going to skip over them, because bears oh no, no, hold on, hold on, wait a minute.
Speaker 1:I just remember Descana. I just read about Descana. I'm like you know what? I'm sold. I'm going to make Descana. I'm going to put Kudo in there. I'm going to make Toscana. I'm going to put Kudo in there.
Speaker 2:I'm going to put Ayula in there there's so many bears.
Speaker 1:I'm, I'm, yeah, Like I said, you know one of one of my particular bears that I really, really love out of here is, uh, herska.
Speaker 2:Sweet Tooth. I now understand the man versus bear meme. You know what I'm saying, not going to go too much into it, but I call Hershka my great value winning the poop, because I want you to understand. Like I said, my bears when they attack you, typically they're going to create food tokens. And when they create food tokens, those food tokens is have like, hey, if I sacrifice it, I gain food, life. And every time I gain life with this one, uh, a target creature gets x, x until end of time, where x is the amount of life I gain.
Speaker 2:Y'all don't understand the concepts of everything just gonna get big for no reason. Uh, that, that side right, like I say, mind you, we have that. We have bears. Uh, I do like heroes bang, don't get me wrong, I like heroes bang, heroes bang. Uh, as a hydra. Um, that being said, typically with with green, because if you see me play green, I'm playing. I'm playing cards that are just gigantic for no reason, like they're just giant and literally when they pop out, you might be like wait a minute, didn't you have to pay? No, I didn't. Tax fraud, guys don't get tax fraud. Um, another one that's a full art, but I also love it so much, it's just gigantic. For no reason is galta, I'm a, that is an elder dinosaur, and this creature, literally as a majority of most dinosaurs. This spell costs X less to cast for X total power of creatures. You can grow, ladies and gentlemen. It has 10 plus 2 green mana.
Speaker 2:Do you not know? It's only going to cost me 2 green mana to play this card. Yeah, I don't have to play that. It's only going to cost me two green monos to play this card. Yeah, I don't have to play that. It's only going to cost me two green monos to play this card.
Speaker 1:Can't you say tax evasion? Yes, here's my problem. If that was me, if I had a creature that strong come out on the gate, I would have had Ziat, uh, where essentially at the end of my gun instep where I'm like you know what? I know you're strong, but I need you real quick. I'm gonna do a fastball special and yeet that goal to at my opponent for 12 damage like that's just it.
Speaker 2:But like I said, ladies and gentlemen, but for me, simply put and I know, like I said, I'm gonna go through, I'm gonna finish this up here because a majority of my greens are literally bears and hydras at this time. Yes, I like some l's, yes, I like some of the other beasts, don't get me wrong, they're, they're relatively nice. But I want you all to understand, literally, when you see me and you see Green, what do you see? You will see a bear. Why will you see a bear? Because we're playing hugs. We're hugging every player and we're turning everybody.
Speaker 1:Harder and stronger than the average bear.
Speaker 2:Yes, we're turning every other player into bears. We're just making a completely bear nation. That's what we're doing. We're creating the entirety of a bear market you could say but yes, if not bears, it's hydras.
Speaker 2:Simply put, if not bears, it's hydras. And I just want you all to know it's so nice, a lot of these are so nice. As far as green goes Outside of green, well, before I leave green Outside, in green, the quilled grape worm, the full art on that Looks so nice, it looks so nice. So, once again, y'all been hearing me talk about a lot of good cards. Some of them Don't even talk about their Things more so because of the, because of the full arts. Now, mind you. Now, mind you Getting to some of the Multi-color cards. I'm gonna head over here too real quick. Now, mind you getting to some of the multicolor cards. I'm going to head over here too, real quick.
Speaker 2:A lot of multicolor cards were relatively looking really, really nice. That's where you can find a lot of good commanders nowadays. Good commanders nowadays. So one in particular where was it? What was it? Not Ashroot, because Ashroot looked good. It's Alessia who laughs at fate, that legendary future card, the full art on it. Pure joy, pure joy, pure joy. I promise you Pure joy. Oh, let's see what else was there here. Lathro looking good, full art. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely, oh, now.
Speaker 1:High Carcuse.
Speaker 2:It, mestrum, makes me interested. It's a vampire dragon, it makes me interested. I wouldn't build a deck around it, mind you, but it's just, it makes me interested. It, it makes me interested. I wouldn't build a deck around it, mind you, but it's just, it makes me interested. It definitely makes me interested. Call of the World, either. The Borderless Falls, those looking good. Like I said, you have some elf cards. They look relatively nice. Now one that I am definitely, the Niv-Mizzet, the Niv-Mizzet Visionary. The Dragon Wizard, that you have no maximum hand size, that right there. I want to see somebody make real good use of that, especially in a blue and red deck because it's blue red. Yeah, I want to see somebody make real good use of that. That right, there is just hold on.
Speaker 1:Uh, I heard that there was another niv-Mizzet variant. That goes well With Niv-Mizzet Parun, to where, okay, first of all, can't be countered, it has flying. Whenever you draw a card, you deal one damage to any Target and whenever a player Casts it into a sorcery spell, you draw A card. So let's go back to that new Niv-Mizzet, to where you a source you control deals non-combat damage, which parun is doing. You draw that many cards. Uh, if you draw at least one damage and let's be real, you're not gonna do only one damage, but let's just say, or, um, convenience, say just at least one damage you end up drawing a card. Whenever you draw a card, you deal one damage and then you just it just keeps going into a loop so that part.
Speaker 2:Now the other, relatively nice, uh, full card that I actually saw, the uh showcase card, even though it's a showcase card, was Progenitus, progenitus as I call him. King Ghidorah, I'm going to be real with you. If you get Progenitus on the field, I want you to know something. I'm going to let you have the game at that point, Because, one, you work way too hard, because for 10, I'm talking about and you have to have two of every color. So that's two whites, two blues, two blacks, two reds, unless.
Speaker 1:Unless you're one of those players who runs Moral Fawn and Fist of Suns where I'm like, oh no, don't worry about it, I'll make that affordable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you know, if you get this out right, not only are you paying this, but then you have protection from everything. Yeah, yeah, you deserve that. Win my guy. You deserve that win.
Speaker 1:It's more like what do you do against a creature that has protection from everything?
Speaker 2:Like you might as well just be like, alright, so I know I can't swing at him.
Speaker 1:I'm like, does this mean that Progenitus has protection from exile too? Like you can't even exile this creature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't exile it, because all it's going to do is hey, it's going to come back, it's going to go right back into his deck, that's it.
Speaker 1:Yeah true.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, like I said, um, there are relatively like some, you know some good stuff, as always, relatively what's coming out? Um, another one that I like. But the only reason why I like this car is because it's by far so broken and silly. It makes no sense, sire of Seven Deaths, po Drive, because what does it do? What does it have? It has first strike, vigilance, menace, trample, reach, lifelink and ward, and you're only paying seven life for this thing.
Speaker 2:Nah, once again, if I see you pull this out, you got it big dog. I want you to know. You got it big dog. Yes, I might be able to beat it, but do you not understand that you hit me with that? Ah, yeah, we're going to be fighting. I might flip the table. Just tap it, I might flip the table. So, yeah, that's what I'm saying. They got some good ones. And, last but not least, some of the artifacts these artifacts, me and artifacts, these artifacts, me and artifacts. The only reason why I'm going to play artifacts and I will be real with you is because, if I feel like playing a Power Rangers deck, if I just be like you know what, hey, look, you know, we're going to make Megazords and stuff here out of nowhere, really, yeah, yeah, this is what we're doing, so you know now you know what you just reminded me of, how, from now on I'm not going to even call my.
Speaker 1:If I make a Voltron deck, I'm not even going to call it a Voltron deck anymore. It's called a Sentai deck. You'll understand, it's a Sentai deck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you'll understand, but, yes, out You'll understand. Out of them, relatively none of the artifacts relatively caught my eye like that. Like I said, everything else, like I said, y'all know me, I like playing green, green and blue, tax evasion, tax fraud.
Speaker 1:Shenanigans everywhere.
Speaker 2:That part. You know like, hey, look, why don't you have this token? I don't want the token. Have the token, it's okay. Wait, why is my token now saying that everybody is a bear? Yeah, everything now is a bear? Why is your bear getting boosted? Because we bear bears? Oh yeah, that's it. That's just all there is to it, like you know, but those are mine, those are relatively my eye foundation oh yeah all right okay, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like kind of wish. Uh, select, I'm gonna smash and tattooed enigma can join us for this one. But oh well, I know they got cards from there, but we'll see as they open up their packs and uh boxes. But uh, let's move on real quick to this marvel secret layer drop now. We already talked about before in the last episode, but let's just talk about specifically how this set sold out super fast and, yes, there were scalpers, yes, there were bots and there was even some people going as far as like posting it on the facebook groups and some of them had so little shame.
Speaker 1:They were like yeah, I don't really care for playing magic together, I don't really collect them, it's more like I'm just flipping them for a profit. I play I really more like a yukio player anyway, so whatever, uh. So yeah, like 400 for all these uh sets right here, who wants them? And then people are like man, you have no shame, don't you?
Speaker 1:I'm like whatever man it is what it is like don't hate the player, hit the game, not his exact words, it's more like you know even, yeah, but uh, tell us how you feeling about this marvel secret lair drop, because, honestly, I even know it's gonna be a secret lair drop and I personally think that you can't. You know, no, no, you know what, I'm not gonna put the game out there like that. But, um, if you missed it, unfortunate, hey, I missed it too. So, like whatever, uh, whatever, I was going to get that Captain America, but hey, if it's going to be impossible at this point I'm like, eh well, I can move on. I got like Amanda Dex anyway, so I'm good.
Speaker 2:I felt the same way, because it's like everything is sold out and folks, I want you to know, everything is sold out and folks I want you to know, everything is sold out. Nothing is available, nothing Not sold, not sold. Of it, nothing, nothing is available, nothing. You will find none of these nowhere. So if you missed them, I feel for you if that was what you were looking for. But I know I missed for, but I know I missed out, but I was going to miss out, so there wasn't nothing I could do. As far as it goes, yeah, yeah, look, I wanted the Ironman. Am I fitting the front and say I didn't? I wanted the Ironman because that soul ring, that soul ring, the commander's plate, galvanic blast, those things, those things there. Yeah, it was. Huh, don't get me wrong. I like some of the other ones too. The Wolverine was relatively a nice one. Storm Ooh, storm, ooh Storm, god damn. Storm was looking really, really nice when I saw it. I didn't relatively get a chance to see Captain America at first.
Speaker 1:Looking at it now, bro, just throw as many equipments as you can in the motherfucker. In fact get a rapid exoskeleton and have an effect on it and you're just doing poison damage on it. You're just knocking them out.
Speaker 2:The thing is it's busted because, literally, you're going to get those equipments right back. You're not losing anything, it's just bro.
Speaker 1:Bro, I was ready to build this very super oppressive soldier tribal decks where there was already soldiers where like, oh well, you can't cast spells during my turn or all this other shit. I'm like spawning out soldier tokens, like I was so ready to build a captain america soldier tribal deck, even have banner kinships where all my soldiers have one one damn like doesn't matter, like we're super strong, we got equipments and all that. It's gonna be a soldier sentai deck.
Speaker 2:Hey look, hold on. Why do you have so much equipment?
Speaker 1:oh, no, march, march on the machine, march of the machines.
Speaker 2:March of the machines, you're like why do you have so much equipment? You'll see in a second no, you don't understand.
Speaker 1:In fact, one dude said that, literally said that I'm like no, I got something for that, Don't worry about it. You don't understand the genius behind this.
Speaker 2:That boy, don't worry about it, you understand Every equipment. That boy, like like, don't, don't worry about you, understand every. Every equipment I throw has an effect on it. What you mean, you, you finna, see you you finna see why do I have poison counter?
Speaker 1:what why?
Speaker 2:why do I keep, don't worry about that, don't worry about all that, you, you're good, you're good then you see, then you see me start pulling these equipment right back. What, yeah, yeah, yeah, we doing this all day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can do this all day, I can do this all day.
Speaker 2:It's literally there. I just went first when I first heard about it Because I first saw Black Panther. Black Panther was the first thing that was shown to me and because I saw saw Black Panther Black Panther was the first thing that was shown to me and because I saw Black Panther first and I was like, oh, oh, oh, this is lovely. And then they give me you a land with it that proliferates. Oh oh no, oh no, y'all is messed up, y'all is messed up.
Speaker 1:You know I like the Black Panther card, but I felt like it was a missed opportunity to where you could have just reskinned Lord Windgrace into Black Panther.
Speaker 2:I don't know, maybe I'm weird like that, but you know, I mean it's okay for it to be black, and I mean green and white.
Speaker 1:It's okay if it's green and white. I'm just saying it's like it was right there, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like legit.
Speaker 1:Like I said, you're not wrong, yeah, I'm just saying.
Speaker 2:As far as it goes with those, it was like yeah, I was. Am I sad that they relatively did? This as a secret land A little bit, just just a little bit, because I feel like y'all should have dropped these and made this should have been pre-cons, honestly yes, these should have been pre-cons yeah, like people would love that, but I'm like, whatever it's, like I mean, oh, you know what?
Speaker 1:Let's not even talk about the market shares right now Because, like you know, some people bro, like it took this secret layer job to be, like they look, you got some players looking at the proxy makers like perhaps I'm treating you too harshly.
Speaker 2:That part right.
Speaker 2:Like you know, maybe I treated proxy you too harshly that part right. Like you know, maybe I treated proxies a little too hard. Oh, really, you think we understood the concept of. You know, hey, try not to play a proxy when you're in tournaments and stuff. Or if you have to keep proxies to a minimum minimum, like, keep it to at least a minimum. But if you're having, if you're just doing casual, your entire deck can be proxies. You can make that into a proxy, but like that would make folks want to play more, that would make folks want to buy the deck more. All right, you know what? Let me actually get some of these cards here. Come on, get some of this from here and everything else, but I like the way this art looks like.
Speaker 1:Yes, man so honestly, I would say that at this point, like hell, I never had a problem with proxies, like, and at this point, with this secret lair drop, I'm like, hey, man, to be fair, like I didn't, I wasn't able to get in the secret lair drop, so do you mind if I play this storm or this black panther or this captain america? I'm like you know what man I completely understand. Then then, then, then, then, then, honestly, I had to do it for the one time. But yeah, like I kind of understand the outrage and it doesn't even help that some folks was like I don't know, like I'm not even salty, it's more like it is weird how people are doing all that flexing for attention.
Speaker 1:I'm like sitting here thinking like I thought we're not supposed to care what other people think, but like, oh, I guess it's whenever it's convenient, though maybe that's just me, maybe I'm just being weird, but I don't know. That's just observations I've been making. But, uh, that was pretty much it for the secret lair drop. That's pretty much all I had to say on that one, like, if you got it, good for you. Um, if you didn't got it, good for you. If you didn't got it, I feel for you. If you're just a scalper, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 2:That part like legit. If you got it, congratulations. If you didn't get it, I understand. Look, we in the trenches right with you. But if you're a scalper, fuck you. You know, like you didn't have to buy all those up, like you relatively didn't, but you know I mean you're not see.
Speaker 1:My whole thing is, if I were to do it, I'm like, hey man, listen, like, at the very best, if I bought multiples, you know it's gonna be one for me and the rest is for the bros, for the homies, you know, for the wolf pack. That's about it. That's the full extent. Outside of that, I'm like I'm doing it for the love of the game, like I'm not, like I got my own business, like you know what I'm saying. Like with 3d printing and I'm trying to get into game development. I got my own business. I don't need to be doing all that flipping and shit. But uh, yeah, that's all I had to say about the secret lair drop. Uh, speaking of which, that spongebob secret lair drop, they're coming up now.
Speaker 1:That's the sets where I'm like people are like upset that oh so this is where wizard of coast come coming to. It's like you're doing this weird shit. I'm like, no, no, actually, I'm all for it. I'm on the same boat as you, talisuela. Hey man, you know what, if you play this card and you beat me with this card, I'm just going to clap my hands. I'm like you know what?
Speaker 2:That's right. It's like you know, hey look, If you get it out, if you manage to get this card out and you beat me with it, Alright, cool Congratulations. I can't be mad because I sat there and I knew what you were playing.
Speaker 1:You beat me with pure shenanigans. I salute you, sir.
Speaker 2:That part. You beat me with the power of imagination. I can't be mad at you.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, hold on a second, you got to say it right. Imagination.
Speaker 2:There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1:There you go. Other than that, it's whatever I'm like. Hey, man, listen, at this point, wait, universe Beyond, I'm all for it. Whatever, in fact, let's go ahead and talk about the Final Fantasy set that's coming out in 2025. Hey, listen, sephiroth Cloud, all those motherfuckers, I want them.
Speaker 2:Hey, wholeheartedly, now, wholeheartedly, don't. Don't. Nobody better not say nothing to me. Nobody better not get mad at me, because if you see me buy multiple copies, understand that for me it's going where, yeah, I'm gonna give something to my friends, but two of them sex two, two of them, because I'm gonna have two a piece. I'm gonna have two a piece of certain ones, especially of self, several. Nah, that got time.
Speaker 1:Two of those see, my thing is I'm gonna be like this. It's gonna be'm going to have one in the deck. It's going to be like Kevin Gates like two phones, but it's like two two copies but here's the thing not only will I have it in the deck, you know, like playable, but I'm probably going to be like Post Malone and like kind of frame that into like a necklace, that.
Speaker 1:I have like yo hell yeah, you see me with the bro on my chain like that definitely goes on a wall somewhere, like that definitely goes on a wall somewhere.
Speaker 2:Like nah, yeah, like that's not finna get bothered. Like yeah, I was here when this came out. Like wholeheartedly, you're not finna be bothering me by this. Like that you know what I'm saying, most definitely.
Speaker 1:I know they have those like jumbo size cars on. Nah, nah, you need to blow that up bigger than that. It need to be the size of a poster. I need to be able to wake up in the morning see this fully blown up art and be like my morning ritual. I'll be like just bowing before this car. I'm like what can I do? Nah, not that extreme. But you know I wouldn't stand to like Just bowing before this car. I'm like what can I do? Nah, not that extreme.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't stand big enough to where you can just, yeah, art, see, that's another thing With some of these cars, at this point the art is like ah, I'm in that same boat too, to where sometimes it's the art alone I would get the card for, even if it never sees play from me, I would probably have it in my binder and be like bro. But just look at the art, just from an art connoisseur point of view. Don't this appeal to you? Isn't this evocative to the sense to you? You don't see this. That part, isn't it like evocative to the sense To you? You don't see this.
Speaker 2:That part. It's like you know what I'm saying. The art for it is just yeah.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, uh, ether drift. Essentially, they're trying to like Incorporate vehicles in a sense. And like you know, trying to do something different With ether drift, like Some weird mechanic, like I think they're gonna do like a whole different like mechanic for that shit. But uh, I'm gonna look into that more. But uh, you had anything on ether drift tell us no, actually, I don't, actually, I don't okay, I got you.
Speaker 1:Uh, I'm gonna look it up real quick if you don't mind, but is there any Cards in general that you want to talk about while you step up the floor?
Speaker 2:Oh no, actually, because, like I said, with this right now, you know, with the way things are going, I'm more so just a looker for this At the end of this season, next season, however, you know, like I'm not going to front y'all, I am going to be like I said, I'm going to be getting back into the physical side of things because I have just been on MTG Arena, but I am going to definitely be getting back into the physical side of things come next year.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Okay, I'm looking at Ethan Drift now. Yeah, I was pretty much right. It's like, basically, they're just uh, focusing back into vehicles and artifacts and whatnot. So if you're like big on artifacts or using vehicles, this might be the set for you. Kind of like on ecoria, to where, if you're like into the um, non-human type creature, you know like beast type creature, if that's your uh, prerogative, good for you.
Speaker 1:By the way, you know what? If there's a one mechanic we need to bring back to magic and future sets, bring back mutate. My old trini is being starved. I need more creatures that I can mutate into that motherfucker to where I'm like, once again with cards like Zeotora, I'm just going to mutate a motherfucker kind of like the Amamioplasm. I'm going to keep mutating the motherfucker and then I'm going to be like, alright, zeotora, yeet this card at the end of the game. Yeah, but yeah, bring that mutate please, honestly. But yeah, bring that Mute tape please, honestly. That's it Like For the most part there's gonna be some sets, but you know, we're gonna probably do our own little Review and whatnot On those when it comes. But Outside of that, I just really want to talk About foundations, the Marvel Secret lairdrop, some of the Stuff that I heard about coming in 2025. And I'm tapped, I'm spent Talos, you sure you got nothing else.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I'm good, I most definitely do All right, very well then.
Speaker 1:Well, ladies and gentlemen, nerds of all kinds listen to this. I do thank you for tuning in and listening to this. I do thank you for tuning in and tell us. I do thank you for being on the show. Remember that great things are coming and, to stay nerdy, as always, we're gonna have more episodes coming.
Speaker 1:I know we have been kind of off and on about some things. Like, for starters, I was gonna I know completely unrelated, but I'm just gonna go ahead and say this on the record uh, I was gonna do princess mononoke and great with the fireflies at some point. But uh, you know what we did? A whole bunch of miyazaki studio jib we filmed. You know, give it a rest for like at least a year, um, so don't worry about those reviews for the time being. Um, but we've got a whole bunch more in the works, like, especially in december, it's where transformers uh, sonda hedgehog movie a hell of a boss a whole bunch of other things gonna finally get around to talking about toy story and small soldiers. Bleach we are going to rework our Bleach Extreme review and we're going to do it right this time. We're going to make sure we have all 16 seasons reviewed by then. But until all of that, remember to stay nerdy, have yourself a good morning, good afternoon and good night and, most importantly, take it easy.
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