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Dragon Ball Super: The Xtreme Review (Universal Survival & Tournament of Power)
Why on earth did Dragon Ball Super choose to resurrect Frieza instead of Majin Buu for the Tournament of Power? This episode confronts one of the most controversial narrative decisions in recent anime history, examining the implications of Frieza's return and the lost opportunities it presented. We don't just stop at Frieza; we speculate on the intriguing possibilities had the story taken a different direction, potentially exploring connections with the original Supreme Kai or Moro. Join us as we express our frustration and ponder what could have been with a more diverse focus on the characters and universes unveiled during this saga.
From comedic gems like the baseball episode to the gravity of inter-universal battles, we celebrate the lighter moments and question the portrayal of power dynamics in the Tournament of Power. Can Dragon Ball Super maintain the legacy of its iconic predecessors while introducing new worlds and characters? We critique the depiction of Golden Frieza, laugh at Yamcha's infamous moments, and debate the absurdity of the 'no flying' rule. Through these discussions, we explore how humor and chaos coexist in the Dragon Ball universe, keeping fans both entertained and perplexed.
Character development, both on-screen and within fandoms, takes center stage as we explore Goku's evolving flaws and Vegeta's changing priorities. We dive into the tension between original character design and fan expectations, questioning why some resist change while others embrace it. From Vegeta's "royal blue" transformation to Android 17's unexpected heroics, we reflect on the narrative choices that have captivated and sometimes confounded audiences. This episode promises a rich analysis of storytelling intricacies, power scaling challenges, and the complex relationships that define Dragon Ball's enduring appeal.
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what's good. We are back at again with the dragon ball super extreme review, and now it is the time to talk about the universe survival arc, or better known as the tournament of power saga. Let's just go ahead and zone in on it. So the short of it is that xeno from the current universe seven and Zeno from the future you remember from the Zamasu arc and he showed up to uh pretty much erased that universe, but uh, he kind of hopped over to the main universe and essentially both Zenos are holding the tournament of power where the teams of fighters from uh eight to 12 universes battle, with the defeated universes being erased. Now Goku and the gang and they even get Frieza involved to be the representatives of Universe 7. They're fighting all these different fighters.
Speaker 1:There's um the more prominent well, I won't say prominent, but more like the uh. I won't even say he was a big, bad, evil guy, he was more like the challenge of this saga. Uh, kind of like every time there's a tournament, or it's like it's not really a bad guy, but more like he's the one to beat uh. There's universe's 11 jiren and pride troopers that's what I'm referring to. And then we get ultra instinct in this arc, allowing goku to fight unconsciously.
Speaker 1:So the tournament ends up with goku and frieza eliminated jiren um along with themselves, but android 17 was in the cut and he won the whole tournament for them. And, of course, they were rewarded one which from the super dragon balls, and the obvious choice to make was to restore all the erased universes because, at the end of the day, it was just supposed to be a tournament, it's not supposed to be this whole. Oh well, the losers end up getting their entire university race. Who are really signing up for that part? And frieza ended up getting revived. After all this um, we're gonna go into it a little deeper, but before we do all that, uh, koki got su talos. You got anything y'all want to say about the tournament power saga?
Speaker 3:before we really get into it, I want to say it's complete and absolute bullshit. They decided to lead us on that. We was going to get to have been this motherfucker and then they had decided to last minute to switch it out. And then he was switched the fucking intro and they were like, oh, we're going to bring Freeza back, bitch, why.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Who would clear that hole for? Even if not the whole thing, Boo would have did some fucking damage, Like we all know. Boo would have handled some shit, bro. That was some bullshit. They let us on. They let us on on purpose.
Speaker 2:I can agree with that one because, especially after learning what I learned, hey, yeah, alright, there's something going on with Boo that they're either A agree with that one because, especially after learning what I learned, hey, yeah, all right, there's something going on with boo that they're either a going to bring in which is why I say a lot of it is going to be a lot of how the manga isn't going to be changing or b they just scrapped that entire project altogether because, hey, folks are wait. So if there's something going on with Boo, that's why Boo didn't come back. Are you telling me we finna have to deal with Kid Boo? We finna get Black Air Force energy again? Oh, oh, glory be. Oh, believe me, we were there, folks were hyped, but hey, nope, nah, we just, you know, we just decided to change it out and have Friesen in here. What better way? No, no, folks are tired of the racist. We tired of the racist bastard.
Speaker 2:They all gave him the color black, so now he feels like he has a black card.
Speaker 3:No, no, it's blackface. You ain't getting no damn black card. No, no, it's black face. You ain't getting no damn black card. Racist ass, motherfucker Still calling. Even Uncle Ruckus is better than you, too good for you.
Speaker 2:In his words exactly Do you need a little help, monkey?
Speaker 3:I can't stand you Bullshit, bro, understand first off, do you need a little help, monkey? I can't stand you Bullshit, bro. Understand first off into this. When they hold the whole resurrection. We already talked about it, but the biggest thing that we took away into is the fact that people was like, why, why did we have to bring Frieza back? Like what was the point? And then to have the whole plot point circle back around. Uh oh, the reason we brought frieza back is because the reason frieza actually destroyed planet vegeta was because beerus told him to, because of the whole super saiyan god thing. And then that whole thing was bullshit because he like so you're saying beerus was scared. Like you, you're saying beerus was scared. Is that what you're trying to say? No, okay, so there was no point. And then we finally feel like we done with him, we moving forward.
Speaker 3:We got a chance to see Boo fight. You know, in the fucking uh, like in the whole universe 6 versus universe 7. We like, oh yeah, we getting hype, boo's gonna really get himself into shape, bullshit. We get teased with whole Super Boo cut. Look the whole Super Boo, look the little skinny boo. And we like, oh shit, yeah, this about to get real, about to get real, let's do this and then all of a sudden, oh, he has to go to his uh, his sleep, where he has to sleep for like a whole day nigga what that part right now here. There you go same same shit made six on that.
Speaker 3:What the fucking never like isn't it a bad part about? I mean, we're probably gonna jump a little bit into it. Let's say him sleeping has to do with the original supreme grand kai and moro. Later on, let's just say it had something to do with that. No, it didn't, it's just. There was nothing. It was just. Oh, he just had to fall asleep. That's some bullshit. That's some bullshit. And then, even worse, it'd be like oh well, he also failed the written test too. So you know, there's that also. No, you just trying to put some bullshit together. That's all the fucking ones. Don't try it. You didn't know how to really enact this character to say that he would have possibly lost. That's what it was. Boo was too OP for you to put inside of a tournament like this, and you know it. That's all. It was Bullshit, bro.
Speaker 3:But, if I'm not going to rant on Majin Buu, on the whole Majin Buu situation, no more. It did give an opportunity to kind of showcase some of the back of our earthly allies. We get a chance to get Krillin getting a chance to show back up again, really kind of show his stuff, his training with 18. We get a chance to bring 17 back, which honestly was very cool. Getting Lapis well, I'm using real names, lapis but getting a chance to get 17 and 18 back in the fray, kind of showing their case, showing their skills. Tien gets a good chance to highlight. We get Master Roshi and bruh. That whole emotional moment with Master Roshi, oh God, I'm like I did tear up a little bit. I thought they were about to kill Roshi, I thought that shit was about to happen.
Speaker 3:It didn't but, I, was nervous, you and me both right I was.
Speaker 2:I was like, all right, so, so, so we're just fixing to kill off Roshi right now. All right, cool, I'm fixing to crack that. We're just fixing to kill all of Roachy right now. All right, cool, I'm fixing to crack. That's literally what you're telling me. I'm fixing to crack. All right, I'm about to fight every goddamn body. Like, ooh Lord, y'all know I'm fixing to fight everybody. There is no such thing as I'm not fixing to fight you, I'm fixing to fight everybody. Everybody got to go. But I was like yo, that was. That was that one moment. I was like, yeah, we're, we're, this is how you do, this is how you do where, where Erica was touching on people's heart.
Speaker 3:And the bad part about it is they were trying to say it's like yo, man, you can't kill nobody in this tournament, but they wound up killing themselves. Whatever our reason, that's entirely on to you, but it was like I mean the fate of everybody's rest on my shoulders, like even though roshi knew he was like technically I'm the weakest one out of all of us here, and he said I still gotta showcase what the I could do. He hit that last line. He said this now, honestly, that was one of the best. It was one of the best Command Mail waves of Dragon Ball franchise.
Speaker 3:To me, the reason being is because when you see the iconic first time, you see the Command Mail wave way back in Dragon Ball, you see Roshi hit his buff up All Might form, because that's him flexing. That's where All Might gets it from. Too bad, tuck ain't here, because we can go ahead and square up on that shit. All Might is a direct fucking copy of Roshi and that's why he's not universal, anyway. So we get the whole flex, we got his whole flex up, and then you know, he's kind of like building up his ki, building up up the energy, getting ready to unleash the attack. And so you see, in the original dragon ball you get a nice beautiful fucking call back to this shit where he's like this is the turtle hermit way, eat well, sleep. This said make sure you eat well, sleep well, keep learning, take care of yourself. That's the turtle hermit way. This is my final kamehame. And then like straight into it and it was fucking amazing. But it felt that moment like you felt he was about to die. You was like, oh shit, my nigga died. And that's also because, in fact, we had that whole little filler arc before with the whole that you roshi's oldest, because he's been using this immortality flower, and so we had that whole little filler moment too before.
Speaker 3:But it's like he's really is. You know he's old and he knows he's getting there. He says I'm on, I've been on borrowed time for about long ass time too. But it's okay. You know what? If I went out proving to you kids that I know what the I'm doing, that I got this and y'all got this, I'm down with that and like. It was emotional, that was emotional, but like.
Speaker 3:And then we got a chance gohan. Gohan got on my nerves for a little bit because goku was like yo, we need to bring our people in. We got this and gohan was like I don't know what you're doing. I don't know what you're doing. Dad like nah bro. Know what you're doing? Dad Like nah bro. Like Tien Krillin, I don't think they can step up to the plate, bro. When Krillin had to show Gohan, he said nigga, look, I may not have the strength of a Sam, but I've been fighting longer than your ass has been, bro. Don't, don't doubt my ass. You the one who got rusty. So, honestly, yeah, like there's some really good points to highlight, but I don't want to take all the spotlight. Talos, did you have some stuff you wanted to also mention as well?
Speaker 2:I mean you relatively kind of covered a lot of the stuff that I was going to say. My thing was I'm not going to lie to you for this tournament of power arc. Hey, there are certain things I really wish and I hope that they flesh out more of these worlds coming up. I promise you, like, please, please, please, let's not skip around, because some of these worlds are very, very fucking interesting. So, take your time, do a deep dive, like matter of fact. You ain't got to go too deep, but do a deep dive at least. Hey, explain some of these other races, because you've introduced many people here now and I know there are a lot of fucking more stronger people on their planet than what you showed Like legit. I know there are a lot more fucking people that are stronger than them on those planets.
Speaker 2:So, by all means that, and even though I know we haven't touched that movie yet for Beast Gohan, make sure that motherfucker keeps it Like, hey, it's about that time, like you getting to the point of we're in this man's legacy. It's getting to where folks are now asking are we shelving Dragon Ball Z, dragon Ball GT, dragon Ball Super, are we done or are we going to keep going? And I'm saying if we're going to keep going, then do what this man would have done Whole hearted. Do what this man would have done Outside of that in terms of power art. My only other gripe is the simple fact of how are you supposed to say Golden Frieza was so fucking supposed to say Golden Freeza was so fucking supposed to be so damn strong? But really and truly he wasn't nothing more than a damn nuisance battery in a fucking slide like you.
Speaker 2:Got to do better, that's all I ask, but I'm good, continue on, y'all got it.
Speaker 1:Alright, tell you what. For some reason, my approach to tournament power is going to be weird, because, yeah, I want to talk about the tournament and all that shit, but there's a bunch of shit that happened before the tournament that I'm like why? Why would you do this? Okay, for instance, I'll give you a perfect example episode 68, to where, okay, goku summon the dragon balls, he's about to make some wish, and here's the parts where, if y'all were wondering when are they ever gonna revive king ty, they were gonna do it in this episode.
Speaker 1:But then the gang showed up, complicated things to a point to where it was one of those comedy episodes where you know how you try to make a wish and, like you know, stupid shit get wished for, even though that wasn't the intention, and essentially, uh, all the wishes got uh, used up while Bulma was trying to fix up the time machine so that way they can time travel again. But they did two things at once where I'm like I don't even know how to feel about this. One, they pretty much denied King Kai, unintentionally, a chance to get revived. And two, beerus was so upset with Bulma out of all this shit going on that he was like you know what I'm gonna blow up? Every? I'm gonna blow up this crystal that you were looking for and all traces of the time machine existence from Bulma's lab. So that way, no more of that time travel bullshit. Oh.
Speaker 3:I mean I can understand why you said what's the point in that one? Because in technicality, like that whole time travel shit is the fact that, like even our current Bulma, she finally learned most of it, but she still hadn't finished developing the whole thing yet. But, as we've learned, it's a crossover timeline like these. This is a it's more than just multiverse theory. This is now cross timeline theory, so that's a whole different timeline. You can destroy all the time travel you want for for this particular timeline, but if another timeline still discovered it, you're not fixing nothing. It was really just a waste. So I can see what you mean on that one gotcha.
Speaker 1:Can you add on to that?
Speaker 2:nope, nope on that one, cause that, like I said, it's a bunch of whole fucking theories. I'm not even gonna go involved in that, but yeah, that's basically alright, gotcha just asking but then also the whole King Kai thing is just a running gag.
Speaker 3:It's supposed to just be a running gag joke. Realistically, King Kai is never going to get revived.
Speaker 1:That's mean-spirited when you think about it though. Like, come on, dawg King Kai helped, even when he didn't feel like helping, but he did and y'all just gonna keep this as a running gag, like I don't know. That just seems mean spirited, but I mean whatever, I don't care that much. Uh, another episode like two episodes late, episode 70. Uh, how y'all feeling about the baseball episode? Because the only takeaway from that is, aside from being a filler uh episode kind of thing, with uh universe six going up against universe seven, was that yamcha, when he was like at the um pictures mount and whatnot, and essentially he did the same fucking shit that happened in the same saga, to where he was just lying on the ground in the exact same pose, and I like how a lot of anime across the anime community has been replicating that one uh frame and it got to a point to a while even dragon ball is memeing on their own shit that shit was funny.
Speaker 3:That shit was pretty funny. The whole baseball thing, though, was just kind of I don't know. It was one of those ones that wasn't entirely sure how to feel into it. I think it had to do with the fact that, like, akira tayama has like talked about the fact that he does like baseball and that's probably like his main thing of incorporating into it. Otherwise, the whole point of the incorporation was the fact that they couldn't finish the tournament properly due to some you know disclaimer issues and stuff. So they were just like um, how about we just do a friendly competition of baseball? It was like okay, other than that it wasn't pretty much. It doesn't really showcase too much anything for it. It's just kind of for it. It's just kind of a nice little funny, wholesome thing that they could do something, if anything. That also really plays into what Talos has said earlier too.
Speaker 3:Give us a chance to flesh out some of these characters, because when they're not battling and fighting each other, you find out that these people are actually just really fucking cool. Outside of Kale, kale, she on a whole other, another level. That's a whole different thing. But like everyone else no, kava kalifla, like you know, everyone else is pretty, it's pretty chill, even hit. He's like you know what? I'm gonna take a, I'm gonna just kind of chill out. I'm always working like, I'm always just like that cool dude, but it doesn't mean that I can't just chill out for a little bit If he can kind of chill and have some fun and it's like that's what's up. Frost's a bitch ass. He's a bitch. Anyway, he should have turned his ass into the ball and had to whack him around like a cheating ass motherfucker. But other than that, I don't know, the baseball thing just kind of was like eh, it just seemed kind of fun. It's a nice little wholesome moment you can have there.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, episode 71 and 72. The only thing I want to mention about these two is how, essentially, this is the part where, how we were just mentioning about Frost and, funny enough, the only reason why Vegeta and goten had to uh be on universe 16 is because hit and frost was absent for uh, that whole thing. But uh, speaking of hit, how hit shows up to kill goku and we were like wondering what the hell's going on with all this. Come to find out. It wasn't like, oh, somebody, uh, somebody else hired hit to do it. Nah, uh, I figured there's like some follow-up to what happened with the universe six um tournaments where uh goku felt like, oh well, hit can never fight me at his best if he can't kill. So what if, if I put a bag on my own head, in a sense, to get a proper fight? So, in other words, this is one of those moments where I'm starting to realize, you know, what Goku and Vegeta has a little bit in common with each other. It's almost like they always want a challenge and they go to these weird and almost self-destructive lengths to get that challenge, like you already know, with Vegeta letting Cell absorb 18, but then again, krillin also contributed to that whole thing. But point being is that between Goku and Vegeta, they're the main one that's always looking for the next big challenge, even if they have to like resort to some tactics.
Speaker 1:That, now that I think about it, the whole Sensu Bean incident, to where, uh, oh, I'm sorry, I'm kind of jumping, but this is going to be also referring to a episode later on, like not too far from 71 and 72, but like I'm going to say 77, uh, essentially where it was, uh, goku and Krillin, and they were like in this, uh, illusion universe. I forgot what it was and essentially he, they were all in this illusion universe. I forgot what it was and essentially they were all fighting all those villains from the past. And while Goku was all for it, krillin was actually scared and he told Goku I'm not like you, I'm scared. And in that moment, when I dove back into all this shit, it made me think of the sense of being incident and I was like, see, this is what gohan should have said to goku, this is what a lot of people should have said to goku I'm not like you, goku, okay.
Speaker 1:And that's goku's problem. Main thing, that's one of his main problems, where he assumed everybody would be just as hyped as he is. But no, we don't got the same heart as you, bro, not like that. Not everybody's built like you, man. And that pretty much encapsulate how I feel about the tournament power, because, aside from him getting ultra instinct and whatnot, it just felt like the. The main problem with goku is the most prominent here, to where you can just tell that's his main problem, where he assumes more from other people and he just never even bothered to like gauge that properly. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Y'all got anything, y'all want to add on to all that. I agree with you.
Speaker 3:I would also point into it real quick as a fact that this is where the writing for Goku takes the biggest tank, because the Cell Saga when you watch the Cell Saga and then the Buu Saga and then jump into Super, you can see there's a lot of writing changes that happen from our characters like vegeta. Vegeta, yeah, he gets the high head all the time, but after the cell saga he doesn't put his pride above anything like that as much. Like even when he turned into into majin, his whole thing was he just wanted to fight Goku. Forget everyone else, forget all the other type of things. I'm not trying to pride myself on like oh, I'm the strongest of everyone he's like no.
Speaker 1:Wait, hold on, before you continue. Kokugatsu, I had to make a slight correction. It was episode 76, and the place that they were in was the Forest of Terror, pretty much with Baba Fortune Tell, with Baba Portia, taylor, baba, blah, blah, blah, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, roshi's sister, I like Portia Taylor Baba man, I keep forgetting that bro Portia Taylor Baba is Roshi's sister, what it's like. She kind of fades into the background, like even more so than the Krillin Tienamcha's, like she's one of the characters that really it's like you had to like really be a dragon ball fan, to like remember baba right off the top of your head.
Speaker 3:But like oh shit I forgot all about her I mean, if it wasn't for her, they wouldn't have been able to get in contact with freeze as well too, and even baba was like are you sure you want to do?
Speaker 1:this I don't think you really want to do oh, you know what can we talk about that to where? Okay, uh, doku was at um baba's house and he was like getting ready for the tournament, like I think it was like, uh, he was either um, waiting for a freeze or something like that, and then, while he was waiting, he was like at that tournament, ring way back in Dragon Ball, and he was in a sense reenacting the fight he had with Grandpa Gohan. And I was like, if you watch Dragon Ball I'm talking about the OG Dragon Ball and you notice that and it's like, oh, I kind of like that they did that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there was supposed to be some really good callbacks. But then, going back to what I was saying, is that you can also tell for Goku. This is where his writing tanks horribly, because when you see in the Buu Saga, goku learns very quickly. He hits that maturity moment. Even when he was fighting Vegeta, he was like we have more important stuff to handle. It's not just about your pride, you gotta let that go. Like he has, he literally says stuff like that. He has that moment of like this is important and he has, like you can clearly see, this is now a mature Goku. And then we jump into Super and it's a completely different person. It's like all of that maturity is gone and I honestly I would start a question for a second this boy got dementia or something like that. I'm actually confused. How do you revert back like that? And that's one of those ones, that's just one of the ones you can't point out hold on.
Speaker 1:Let me talk about that real quick. Here's something I noticed about, not just here, but in a bunch of shows like disney shows and whatnot. Uh, what I noticed how, when some characters they start to develop this big character change to where, okay, uh, we're finally going to address this issue, right. And then they have that moment and you might think, oh, this is going to change everything from now on. But you get to like the next episode or, in some case, the next season, and you're just like, nope, we're back to the status quo.
Speaker 1:And I hate that shit. It's like you're not even committing to what you were building up to, to where, okay, you have this character who have this issue or whatnot, this weakness, this flaw, whatever, and you finally address it in one episode and then as soon as that episode or two-parter, or three-parter concludes, then we're just back to the status quo, almost as if it never happens. Maybe we might get a reference to it, um, later on, but I just hate when they do that to where it's like, oh well, no, uh, we can't make them change too much because they need to have that same charm they had in season one.
Speaker 3:So it feels very long you're erasing your dynamic character. It might as well just been a historic character the whole time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's almost like they were. It's almost if. Imagine if they decided to give that character that development and fans were like, oh no, we're not gonna like it, we like it the way it is. Okay, my bad, we'll just reverse that. Keep her, keep him here the way they were. I'm like I don't know, I just don't like that from him.
Speaker 3:This is very true. And then it winds up coming to a head from between the whole Universe 6 and Universe 7 fight to the main Tournament of Power. When it came down to the point where the Wolf guy was very clear into this, he says, realistically, you can't fully blame no goku, because we do understand like well we, the audience understand that that zeno and the grand priest were planning on erasing these universes anyway. That was already part of the plan period. But he technically gave them a fighting chance to survive no, no, can you.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine if it played out like this, to where they just have this beating and they're like, alright, so how are we going to get rid of all these mortals? And I'm like, okay, we need to figure out something clever. And then Goku shows up like hey man, I'm bored. Can I like fight the other people from the other universes in like a tournament or something? And then they were just sitting there like you know what? Yes, yes, you can. In fact, we got a perfect way. We're going to go about that that part honestly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much how it was, except minus the clever. They weren't even gonna be clever, like zeno was just like, yeah, we're just gonna go ahead and erase them. What was it? They were playing like pool with the universes at the time yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:So it was gonna be like no, absolutely no chance whatsoever, regardless, it was just gonna be just straight up erasing. But so, in the technicality, go who didn't cause everyone to be erased, but dude the way he phrased it. But then, based on how goku's character had changed, how he's been rewritten back to that whole simpler moment. It's just that's how it feels now it feels like this is goku.
Speaker 3:He's just a dumb idiot again, and it's like we haven't had that goku for a long time. He had that maturity and that maturity is now gone and it just sucks that that that winds up getting erased away. I guess I'm one of the people that, if I see a mature character, I like it being mature. That's one of the same things. I know we talked about this a while back before too. I don't know, talos, you even had commented more into it as well about the whole thing with kratos and uh, where, literally, kratos he changes to, where he's now a more mature person. You know he has a son, he's trying to take care of him, he's trying to raise him right, and the main, the person who originally created character, who created kratos, was like no, he's not supposed to be this kind-hearted gentle person, he's supposed to be this ruthless madman. Why y'all making him mature? Why y'all making him a dad type of thing? It's like, why not? Why does someone have to be stuck in anger all the time? Why can't?
Speaker 1:someone. Just, it's one of those I'm sorry for, uh, interrupting so many times, but it just bringing up some points where it's like shit that pissed me off to where people find it easier to put people in boxes, to where, okay, I got an idea of who you are now and I want you to keep it that way so it'll be easier for me to deal with you. You know what I mean. Like, if you have, like a certain friend for certain things or, uh, maybe you find yourself in a relationship with somebody and you like them for these reasons and as long as they stay exactly the way they are, you're still feeling them. But if they change too drastically, I'm like, ah, you're not the same person. I fell in love with all those all that time ago, so it's like that's kind of thing. It's where it's like for some folks just easier, just, um, fit people in a box and just having them stay there. So I guess the charm with if you can call it that, the charm with goku is that he's this endearing idiot to where, yeah, he does stupid things sometimes but he can't make up for it with his, um, a sense of purity, and I guess you say, okay, uh, in fact, this reminds me of a moment in dragon ball. Yeah, we're going back in a time machine with this part.
Speaker 1:Um, I remember when goku was in the big city for the very first time, he was looking for boma and he was running around trying to ask different people uh where's boma? And they were like I don't know who the fuck you're talking about. But then again, the way goku was phrasing, it is like they he wasn't being much help to them anyways, but he kind of picked up on the fact that, oh, he assumed that if I earn money, I can use that money to find boma. I don't know, I don't know where his head was when he was thinking that, but the point being was that when he earned enough money like he had like a bam, you could say and, um, he approached this one woman and she was like hey, you know what, why don't you go to the cops and maybe they can help you? And he was like hey, you're right, thanks, in fact, here's this money for helping me. And then he just goes up to the cops.
Speaker 1:Three things that I thought of in that moment. First of all, how pure hearted Goku was, to where he didn't really care for money. He's just that ignorant and innocent at the same time, to where he didn't really care for money, like money was just something to help him find Bulma, and he gave away all that money to this woman because she was the first person to just go to the cops. Second of all, what the fact that, uh, I mean I can't give goku too much shit for this, but the fact that, um, we went through all that just for him to be suggested just go to the cops, like it's almost like the obvious. But goku would never think of that because you know he's goku.
Speaker 2:And the third thing was there a third thing?
Speaker 1:I swear to god it was a third thing, but um uh, whatever point being is that goku he has his way of doing things and sometimes it can be very detrimental To the rest of the people because, you know, goku's just built Different but at the same time, that's what made him More likeable back in the day.
Speaker 2:So Not even that right, and this is the part that a lot of people Focus on too much of Like, hey, yeah, you want change, cool being fit, fine dandy. However, once again, folks, y'all have to remember a creator that creates their character, that's their child. As such, they know how their child is supposed to be. When.
Speaker 2:Akira came out and told everybody hey, yo Goku is a fighter, he doesn't know these things, he's not from here. Y'all want to make changes to a character that's not supposed to be changed in that manner Just because you want it that way, don't mean shit.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:And that's the part that literally bugged the fuck out of me with this fandom. It bugs. It bugs a lot of with a lot of fandoms like that, like why the fuck are you trying to change the character? That ain't your character. Sure you want to grow up, sure you want to do something different? That's fine, dandy great. But guess what?
Speaker 1:folks quit bugging about a character if you like him or you don't oh yeah, you know what that brings me to, why we're going to get into Determined Power and my main issue. Well, I don't know if you can say it's personal or not, but my main issue with Jiren, to where there's a bunch of folks that I used to talk to to, where they like Jiren for reasons, and two of those reasons I guess you can say it's technically the same reason, but it's more like they just kind of like not being very direct about it. In other words, for some reasons, people like jeering because he's like quiet and, uh, he doesn't have transformations. You know, he kind of breaks the norm of what you expect from a dragon ball story and whatnot, like, uh, you could say that they thought he had, like that black air force energy, but nah, well, not like kid boo or other folks that I could probably think of, but dinosaur, I guess, I guess, if you want to say like that. But my point being is that?
Speaker 1:yeah, but um, here's the thing. The second reason was because some folks were just getting really tired of all these different transformations from the same. You know, like uh, blooper saying and all that. It was like they just got kind of tired of that and be like, why can't we just have a fight? Who's like really strong, that doesn't need a transformation? And and on one hand, I guess I mean I'm not, I got no problem with you feeling that way, but at the same time, if that's how you feel, then I don't know why you're still a dragon ball fan, because that's not going to change anytime soon, time soon, it's true, it's true.
Speaker 1:So I guess you can say some people just have their preferences on things and they kind of want this character to be built the way they will envision them to be built. You know kind of like how I had that whole thing going on earlier in the Dragon Ball Extreme review, to where I was talking about how, yeah, it's great that Goku should try to be a better father and husband to his family, but at the same time he was just not built like that. And it's almost like y'all trying to round them out to a point where, okay, I would say Goku and Gohan would be a good. Well, I won't even say good, but an example of what I'm trying to go for. Where goku, he was more focused on the training and, yes, he was strong, but he was also being goku and then with gohan, he focused more on family and career but people were saying like, oh, gohan's been slacking off his training.
Speaker 1:I was like, hold on, aren't y'all the same people that gave Goku shit for pushing Gohan into the whole Cell Saga? But now y'all saying that, oh well, gohan needs to keep fighting and whatnot. But you know Gohan is built to be a pacifist. You know he doesn't really like fighting, but you keep pushing him to fight. Meanwhile, the one dude that loves fighting you're trying to push him to be a father. What do y'all want? That part?
Speaker 2:that part because legit folks in white. Once again I'm going to go back to what Kofugatsu was saying. Hey yo, folks want Goku to mature. Why are we getting a mature Goku and then y'all taking it away One? Because Goku is relatively not supposed to be so freaking mature. He's a Saiyan warrior. Saiyan warriors all they want to do is fight. Majority of them. Higher class Saiyans like Vegeta are supposed to have that sensibility, but lower class Saiyans are not. But yet you want him to end up being a higher class Saiyan when he's not a higher class Saiyan. It's like folks forgot what planet he comes from and I was like legit, he's not an Earthling, he's a Saiyan, the fuck.
Speaker 3:That's true. I guess this is also like it's one of those things where you just you can kind of just want some maturity, so I can understand, like, want some maturity to stay, but I understand the fact that, yeah, like, goku is going to be goku, whatever it is that the writer needs him to be, that's what he's going to be. So I get that. Oh, definitely no, he's not no human, obvious. He does not hit the same moral, human, human, moral values and stuff. Plus, on top of that, it's very clear that lifespan is longer than a normal human as well too. Not so much like a viltrumite, if you start to. Some people try to compare since there's been that whole comparison between the um, the saiyan race and the viltrumites with invincible their lifespans are two very different. Viltrumites live thousands of human lifetimes. That's not the same for saiy, saying, their human life, their lifespan, is very similar to a human but just a little bit longer, but there's a whole difference into that. So please, we're not gonna do that comparison, y'all. Please don't like now.
Speaker 1:Y'all know who I'm talking to, y'all listening hey, I may have made that comparison, but I only said that Vulturmites are Kryptonites that act like saints. I didn't say anything about life camps.
Speaker 3:Oh, we can get into that, but there's some people that's making way bigger shit and I'm just like bro. Honestly, I learned to stay off Reddit and Quora. Sometimes it's too much yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you should have known better.
Speaker 3:As soon as you said Reddit, I'm like bro, you should have known better. As soon as you said Reddit, I'm like bro, you should have known better. I mean, I do know better, but then it's aggravating because the emails still keep popping up, but still I don't know what it is about Redditors, where it seems like they're just so rage-filled. They swear they are the pristine, that they got PhDs and shit that they ain't know nothing about. I got PhD in this knowledge that I have absolutely no shit to know nothing about.
Speaker 1:Can I also talk about one thing? I'm sorry, but can I talk about something that grinds my gears when, when, um, before somebody really get into what they're gonna say, they gotta have to give you this whole short backstory about what they're about. I was like I have this many years doing this and I got a family and I'll do it. You know, I'm like bro, really I didn't ask for all this shit.
Speaker 2:Just make your point.
Speaker 3:True, true, but going back to my main opinion was just like I would like to have seen something, but then the biggest thing is that it became a whole plot device to clown goku on, like they just became a whole big thing. Everybody now hates goku, but nobody wants to look at the big picture and the fact of really, he gave y'all a fighting chance. Y'all was all gonna die anyway. It was about to be over, like that, was it? But literally, because he decided to speak up onto the tournament, all of a sudden you had a chance that maybe y'all could've lived. Y'all had a chance that maybe something better could've happened.
Speaker 1:So it's like you can be upset all you want, but at the end of the day, technically, what he did helped you out well, at least gave you a fighting chance, a chance that you never had before oh, before I forget, before I forget another like I guess you can say filler episode that was leading up to the tournament power uh, when tn had his own uh episode, I guess you could say and he was like training all these different monks and shit, and the funniest part about it is that there was like this chick that was with him. I don't know if it was like a girlfriend thing going on, but here's my thing. Thorium, I know you passed away and rest in power to you, but why'd you name this girl Yuren? Why'd?
Speaker 1:you name this girl, why? I mean, you could name her after a fruit or a drink and all that shit, but you stuck with Yuren, alright, alright. You stuck with urine, alright, alright. No more playing around, let's go ahead and talk about the tournament. So, who they start off with first? Because I know they have this trio of danger that they start off with, but I forgot what universe they're from. Hold on, wait a minute. I don't remember. Uh, I guess it was like one of them was bergamot. Yeah, um, bergamot there was. He was going up against Goku and all that shit. I'm trying to think Wasn't he One bear that was like? That looked like Winnie the Pooh, but In Dragon Ball, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2:You say you're talking about from Universe 6? Yeah, I forget his name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I bet that was his name, but uh, that's just the thing they. One thing I don't like is when they throw a whole bunch of characters at you at once, but you know damn well that you're not gonna remember all these here well, that's the point.
Speaker 3:Not, you're not supposed to remember every single one, but it's just to kind of have like a little bit of world building there. As long as something was there per se, then you can at least build off of something per se. A lot of these characters ain't supposed to be memorable, it's supposed to be realistic. The whole tournament of power I don't remember the name of them, people that I don't remember the name of, that girl that had all the groups of people wearing them extra tight tights, and they had to fight with love and love, gravity, magic.
Speaker 1:Oh no, no, I remember the. I don't remember the other names, but I know the leader was Ribrianne.
Speaker 3:See, I don't remember that, I just remember she was aggravating as hell.
Speaker 1:No, the main reason why I remember that? Because she was the last person that fought Goku before we finally get Goku vs Jiren. Well, at least the first fight against Goku vs Jiren, when he was blooper saying and Jiren was pretty much beating the shit out of him. I'm sorry, I'm just gonna have to be jumping around because, like, there's just so many things I want to talk about with Turner Power, and I guess that's why my energy is kind of off for this part of the review, because, like, there's just so many things I want to talk about with Turner Power and I guess that's why my energy is kind of off for this part of the review, because there's just so much that was thrown together to our life.
Speaker 1:It's not bad, it's just it's almost hard to put into words how I feel about the Turner Power. It's like the day to day that we finally going to talk about it. I'm like damn, the day to day. I'm like you know what, in hindsight, the Tournament of Power gave me like some mixed feelings sometimes, because there was like some epic moments that we're going to talk about, and then there was like some moments where I'm like why?
Speaker 3:It was just need to fill up a little bit. I mean, think about it. You have, the tournament of power was supposed to be this big highlight of I forgot how many different universes, but all these different universes fighting together, of different power scalings and all these different abilities, each of them handled their universe a very specific way. I mean, you have one universe that doesn't really have war like that, but they're having to fight, so naturally they're weak, so they have to like strategize and figure things out on the fly. You know you have Champa, who technically cheated, and even though technically not per se, with the whole Patara earring situation, we got Califla, and it's like each of them had to work out their own ways of working things out because some of them are fighting universes, like with Jiren's universe. Those are warriors, they are fighters, they go and they save the universe from major, their universe from major threats all the time, similar to our own universe, seven. But then you have others that don't and they have to like balance stuff out. How are they going to work things out and stuff? Like they've never had to deal with this before. So then some stuff kind of it feels different. It feels like it feels like this is kind of was ill prepared. Well, yes, supposed to.
Speaker 3:Not every one of them was really prepared for what was supposed to happen, because that's just not what they do. If you understand what I mean, if you understand what I mean. So I'm like I understand, completely understand, being jumbled around, because even one of the biggest arguments right now is the fact that, um, that I've seen online is that it's still an argument on whether or not the whole term of the power really was 48 minutes long. Some people really are arguing to that said. No, it really wasn't that long, and I'm like bro, all a lot of these fights were happening at the exact same time, so we'll have like five or six episodes of different fights that's happening, and all of these different fights are happening at the same time, at the same time that goku is fighting against jiren. Yeah, it seemed like for that moment that everybody kind of stopped for a moment because jiren finally got up and people were curious about what was going to happen. You, you know, vegeta decided to join in on it too, but also keep in mind that there's other people that still decided to keep fighting. Some people stopped for a moment and then took advantage. Ha, you're distracted and then knocked other people out.
Speaker 3:So it's like, yeah, all of this is happening at the same time. It's a free-for-all tournament. None of these fights are happening one at a time. It's not like everyone else is like, oh, we're gonna stop fighting and watch them, and then we're gonna continue our fight, and then we're gonna stop a little bit, watch them and they continue our fight. No, everything is happening at the same time. Because of that, it's difficult to keep in mind all of this different stuff.
Speaker 3:So some stuff feels off, because then even some of the episodes kind of feel off, because you have, let's say, you have a fight that you wanted to watch and you were on the fly onto this. You're like, okay, I'm all into this fight, I want to watch this. Oh, this is seeming to go so well. Like, uh, what was it? Gohan versus the, the dude that was had super speed. Uh, dispo, dispo, right. So gohan versus dispo got interrupted with piccolo. Then we got interrupted with that where frieza had to show up. You know, it's like and it's not like that fight still wasn't going on, it just kept getting interrupted. So it was like and so it feels like it throws off the flow. Well, this is how it's going.
Speaker 3:At the same time that this fight is happening, other fights are going on too. You're not going to get the full fledge of this fight happening. In the full fledge of this fight happening, and Matt is supposed to put you in the fields of like you're, you're the destroyer guys, you're the angels. That's in in there just watching. You're watching as things going, you're looking at this fight play out and then you turn to look at another fight that's happening at the same time and that's kind of like how the episodes will break up.
Speaker 3:The episodes are breaking up as you're turning to look at different fights happening at the same time, or even xeno, like if you're xeno on the screens both of them on the screens and they're swiping through the fights because it's a lot happening at the same time. So there's a whole bit in this. This argument actually is still happening today. I say that because we are doing this this time of recording here. Literally not even a week ago yeah, not even a week ago, it's like four days ago I was watching a video where somebody was like can y'all believe that there is still arguments of this happening?
Speaker 1:and I'm like, yeah, I believe it I don't know, man, like that's just one thing that kind of piss me off about people these days, where I just don't like people who just loves to argue like I don't know, like. I guess it's one thing if it's like an issue where they have to stand on business or whatnot, I understand. If it's like something's where, okay, if it like challenges your expertise on something, follow me, fight to the death about it. But like challenges your expertise on something, follow me, fight to the death about it. But like you know folks that like instigate shit just for the hell of it, because you know having these arguments are just fun for them.
Speaker 1:But I'm, like bro, like some people, just don't have the energy like that. So that's why I don't even bother with Dragon Ball fans that much. It's like hey, man, I like it for my own reasons. Um, you're, you don't have to understand why I like it and I don't have to understand why you don't like it. It's more like we could just code this with the fact that I like it, you don't. Uh, you got a problem with it. Argue with your mom about it. But you know for the most part, like, uh, I kind of see where you're coming from my bad, but yeah, I mean, that's just.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's just kind of how it works out. That's why, like, it does get to those moments where we would love to review the series and just be like, hey, let's just talk about all the awesome moments that we have, all the stuff that we love. But there are moments too that it's like, okay, we do need to touch base on, to, hey, y'all, we gotta chill out on this. It's a show. At the end of the day, it's for our entertainment oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but that you just remind me of how. One reason for sure why I will always love Dragon Ball flaws and all is that it's from a storytelling point of view. It's a story that, even though it has it's plot holes and what not, the way they set some shit up to where it's a story that writes itself like. I'm gonna talk about this again when we get to it, but I will never let go of the fact that the way they described um broly's wrathful form, it was like, hey, yo, that sounds like super saiyan 4. Are they trying to set up broly to be the missing link to super saiyan 4? And if that happens to happen, then I'm like, okay, cool. If it don't, then oh well, it just don't. But that's just the thing.
Speaker 1:The fact that, uh, you will leave like little details and whatnot in there to a point where um fans will just come up with all these different speculations and theories about what could happen later on, kind of like, uh, how I was mentioning dragon ball kakumei to where it was a fan-made manga, where, okay, this is for all the universes that uh, zeno and all the others don't talk about, you know like I mean, excuse me, uh, universe 14 through 20. And then there was like, uh, universe zero and whatnot. Uh, it was pretty interesting. In fact I'm gonna read it again, just so. Uh, maybe we'll talk about it in detail later, but I just like how the fact that it was fan made and you know how, ever since the eternal power, it's like, okay, there was like the first 12, and then it's like, okay, well, were there more universes than just 12? And then that's where dragon ball kakumei comes in and it just makes you think, okay, why isn't this official money? I don't know.
Speaker 3:I'm actually reading Kakumei right now. It's actually very interesting. I'm only on the second chapter, but it is very interesting. I agree with you. I'm like holy crap, I like this and that's the thing.
Speaker 1:It's wild how sometimes fans have ideas For the shows where I'm like.
Speaker 3:You know what?
Speaker 1:let them cook. But that's just the thing. To where you got. Too many People try to whisper Something in your ear and you just Feel a little overstimulated From the fact that, okay, y'all gonna have to Give me some fucking space. Like I need time to like process all this Different shit. But uh, that's kind of thing. That's why, um, certain things shouldn't be up to committee, to where, um, if you have this one writer who pretty much, uh, meditated the whole story, then so be it. Like I would be even cool with like two writers, but any more than that I'm like it's going to get, because sometimes you have multiple writers. It was like sometimes you write an episode or a movie or whatnot, and you just feel like, did you watch the later episodes or did you watch the last movie? Because this doesn't line up with what you're doing here. That's what I'm saying to where, like, you have too many writers, like too many cooks in the kitchen, sometimes it just doesn't go well. But that's just me personally.
Speaker 3:I agree too. Personally I agree too.
Speaker 1:I agree too anything about the tournament that I want to talk about. I'm trying to think.
Speaker 3:I do have a couple things.
Speaker 1:I want you to go first, though oh, okay, you know what a problem that I had the whole no flying rule To where at first they were doing really good about that. But then when it came down to like, say, for instance, jiren, pretty much like hopping on rocks just to get back into the ring. Or Goku, kind of levitating with Ultra Instinct sign, but it's not really flying. It's kind of levitating with ultra instinct sign, but it's not really flying. You just want levitating. And sometimes you feel like bro, like uh, it kind of feels like this uh, cell games all over again to where cell built this ring, so that way, uh, you can get um eliminated by ring out and whatnot. And then next thing you know cells like you know what fuck all this shit blow up the ring like all right, let's just go ahead and fight unabated and shit.
Speaker 1:And I'm like what's the point of building the ring then? But uh, in here it's like it's one thing with the ring. It's like, okay, I got nothing wrong with that. But like, honestly, if you're just going to gloss over these little details where you might as well be flying, then what's the point of even including that rule? But I don't know, maybe I'm just tripping. Was there something else I don't want to no Well, at least not right now.
Speaker 2:Talos you got anything you want to mention about the tournament? Like I said, relatively no, and the only reason why I'm saying it is because, like legit the tournament to me was, it wasn't that bad. I have relatively concealed balls, like it is. Um, it was relatively cool. It was relatively cool as far as it goes, like certainly a lot of the big fights, like how it went, like Goku versus uh, you know, goku versus the fusion of uh Kale and uh Khalifa, like that shit was, that was dope.
Speaker 2:Like I'm not gonna lie. I still say to this day hey, if we had a went by Z rules, right, folks know this. Much of these folks wanna be like eh Goku saw, nah, my niggas, because if you had a went by right, folks know this as much as folks want to be like eh go Kusama, nah, my niggas, because if you had a win by Dragon Ball Z rule, win by tournament rule, that was a death, that was an instant point, blank Kamehameha to the face after skating up the hurt beam at that too yeah, that's what I was going to mention the way he was like swag, surfing on her beam with a helmet.
Speaker 1:I was like bro. That was like one of the most hype moments in this whole, in all of Dragon Ball Super.
Speaker 2:Like legit. So for any and everybody to be like hey, yo, I not mad at anybody. No, they didn't, no, no, they didn't, no, no, they didn't. I promise you, I promise you Wholeheartedly. That right there just makes it so much more of a thing of you know what this is, ben Dragonball Z. Niggas wouldn't be saying shit. Niggas would be mad. They'd be mad man. They didn't have to kill her off like that.
Speaker 3:I don't know If I'm going to go out. I want to go out pretty epic like that too, like I went out in a whole barrage. I hit my ultimate attack. You couldn't really avoid Like I hit you to where it's like, oh, you can't avoid it. If you are able to avoid in a tournament where you can't fly, and you're able to avoid my attack in midair, that epically, I don't know, I would be fine. Dying like that. I'd be like you know what. I would have died, literally my last words. I'd be like he was so cool. At least you didn't die in no BS way, I'm serious. You didn't die in a bullshit way. You still died pretty epically. This person pulled out an all-time.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying for me, for him both don't know the meaning of the words. That was a death, that was an instant death. It was just so good. Believe me, a lot of the fights in there I was happy. So. It was so good, so so good. So, yeah, believe me, a lot of the fights in there I was happy about. I was so happy about.
Speaker 1:So Ayo, real quick. Another thing I remember the whole quote-unquote alliance that Freeza had with Frost, to where you know, after after the universe six tournament, we know Frost is no better than Frieza. And then, of course, you know them being space lizards like they.
Speaker 3:To this day we don't know what exactly they named this race, but I just call them the space lizards, frost Giants, valhalla Frost Giants not Valhalla the antagonists of Valhalla, the Norse mythology, the ancient gods themselves, the Frost Giants that dare come against Odin and Thor Odinson. I don't know. That's what people say. It's supposed to be.
Speaker 1:Nah, I was just going to call him the space, anyways, um Frost kind of assumed that, nah, I was just gonna call him the space, uh, anyways, um ross kind of assumed that, yeah, frieza will understand me better than anybody, so I can't like rely on him and shit. And then like, well, not really. Um, not that, uh, he completely trusted frieza, but more like okay, if I'm gonna trust you, then I'm gonna need you to take out your buddy right there. And then frieza kind of played along, but he was pulling his punch and it held. Even gohan was even in on, uh, the whole thing and the last thing, um frieza told frost before knocking him out, um, in a double agent type move, was never trust anyone.
Speaker 1:Now, pause when I say this. Um, that was kind of a cool swerve. But then again that kind of rings a little bit when we get later on down the line, when it was just uh, jiren, uh goku frieza and 17 in the back, where essentially uh Frieza was telling Goku, hey, after all, when this, when all this is over, you're not gonna forget your promise, right to revive me. And I was like Frieza, uh, tell me, you remember. And I was like okay, fine, yeah, but no, no, what Goku really said was I'll keep my promise if you keep yours.
Speaker 1:You know that better than anyone, don't you? And that brings all the way back to the Frieza saga to be like hey, remember the last time you didn't trust me, yeah. So I just found that very interesting to where they tried to give Frieza some character development, but even then I, like you know you can tell this dude is just evil, because that's not gonna really stick. It kind of stuck in the moments where 17 was trusting Frieza with the whole shield thing to stop Jiren's attack and then Frieza was reluctantly giving some energy to where he had to get out of his golden form to get into his white final form, I guess, because, by the way, it gets so weird at this point with the whole Black Freeza shit and all that. But my thing was that, yeah, freeza tried to have this whole arc to trust others, but it didn't stick for very long can I highlight something with Frieza too, that whole callback to Namek moment.
Speaker 3:After Goku used up all of his energy the first time he went like Ultra Instinct sign and he was like all out of energy. Frieza stood there with his hand over him. He was like huh, kind of reminds me back of Namek. Then huh and like Goku literally thought like Frieza, you're not gonnaza, you're not going to do this, you're not going to do this.
Speaker 3:It was like you're going to blast him out. And then he was like huh, I just gave you some of my energy, do with it what you will. I guess we'll consider us. Even then, like that moment was just like hey, it came back, that good karma came back. I don't know, at that moment you really was just thinking, because it was like right after the whole Frost situation. So it was just like Freeze is just going to just eliminate people. His main goal at the end is to be the last one standing. He's going to be the one to get that wish. He don't care about the universe surviving, nothing like that. He'll switch alliances whatever Universe is still alive. Whatever the case may be, he's going to keep himself alive. The main thing that he wants is to be the last one standing. That's what he wants. He wants them wishes and it's like oh man, that was.
Speaker 1:Freeze was diabolical.
Speaker 3:till the end, he was diabolical.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you may not be able to get the wish off the Super Dragon Balls, but you know what, for being a good sport about it all, I'm going to give you your life back.
Speaker 3:Oh, and then Wiz, coming in with the clutch, like eh, consider it as a good thing for your service, and just went ahead and just brought him back to life, just like that and just like what.
Speaker 1:Really, I'm like Wiz, you can do that Can.
Speaker 3:Owens do that. I'm like Wiz you can do that? Can all angels do that? Wiz can rewind time to make what didn't to make. What happened didn't happen out of nowhere.
Speaker 2:I mean for them to basically be angels.
Speaker 3:I figured it was going to be where he had some revivability, so Plus, if we were really going to go into Kakumei, you know, once we get into Kakumei like I'm really liking Kakumei right now because of the fact of like how they really do the angels and that I want this to be legit so bad, but anyway. But no, uh, yeah, angels, as far as we know, into super, we have no idea really all the powers that they have until we get like more art. Once we get into more art which still has not been turned into an anime we don't know if ever will be. So it's not too much of a spoil, just kind of just saying, if you don't read the manga I'm sorry, years ago so yeah, if you haven't read it.
Speaker 3:so we have the angel in training. That's when we kind of get a more understanding of some of the powers that angels actually have, and then also some of the rules that they have is as well too. Angels, legitimately to me, are the true genies of the universe. Yeah, like that's some real shit. So I don't know, it's just kind of cool.
Speaker 1:Like, imagine genie, but from Aladdin, but they actually have a choice to. Uh, they don't really have to grant witches, it's more like, well, you know, I'm just here chilling with the God of Destruction in my universe.
Speaker 3:Pretty much my job is to make sure that I don't interfere and just watch stuff happen. That's it. Who cares? It's on you. But also something else I wanted to highlight as well too. I got to highlight, you know, vegeta has been my all-time favorite character and we're not going to just completely shy away from him. So he did get his behind clap with jiren. That did happen. Jiren was like ah, you wasted my time. I thought you was as strong as goku. Never mind, that would hurt my feelings a little bit.
Speaker 3:But that whole thing where it was like everyone's talking about the fact that, oh, who's that person that's going to be just stronger than the God of Destruction. It wound up clearly being Jiren, but then, hyping up to that point of, oh, they had already decided who's going to be the next God of Destruction of Universe 11. We already know who's going to be the newest God of Destruction there. And then it wound up being old boy Toppo that had just shows up and an old boy, topo, that had just shows up, and so it's literally Vegeta versus Topo. And it's a great highlight to further on now, considering the fact, with Vegeta and his ultra ego form, which everyone knows about, it already broke the internet. Y'all already know about it. It's been spoiled, anyway.
Speaker 3:But it was that whole moment of like hey, vegeta got his chance to get his highlight of I fought against someone who's supposed to be recognized as a god of destruction himself.
Speaker 3:That entire fight, and then getting royal blue, his own advanced transformation that not even goku has like, because goku his, his little transformation that he had was that he put blue and put kaioken times 20 on top of blue, which is already very dangerous in itself, but that's still his own version of his own power-up. And then vegeta getting his own version of royal blue, something that goes even slightly further beyond. You could call it like super saiyan blue too, per se, almost, and it's something that's ideal, as far as we know, only to him. He's the only one that achieves this, this more advanced form, and we're getting a chance to get that highlight. So it sucks that we don't get to stick with that highlight with him, but it was still nice that he finally, like vegeta, finally got a win finally. You know, she's always been having to take L's like whether he came close to a win and it gets taken away from him.
Speaker 1:He finally got his win, you know, yeah yeah, this is why I will say that I would really like it if there was some situation with the whole Black Frieza thing going on nowadays. To where? What? If there was like a threat aside from Frieza that Goku had to deal with and then it was Vegeta that had his final fight with Frieza and he's the one who actually gets to kill him for real, instead of pretty much getting cop blocked by Goku by technicality in Resurrection Frieza? You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:The fact that you called it Resurrection Frieza is hilarious to me, but yes.
Speaker 1:I'm not calling Resurrection Frieza, whatever. We know what it means. I just wanted to message you.
Speaker 3:I just wanted to message you. I just wanted to message you. I don't know. So there's some other fights that we wanted to begin that I actually do want to also talk about too.
Speaker 3:One that was more of a meaningful fight per se, and it's one of those ones that I don't know how well this would showcase power scaling, so I'm not going to go into that, but the one with the Namekian fights, where it was Gohan and Piccolo versus the Namekians of Universe 6, because, considering the fact that Gohan is just his ultimate, he's in his ultimate form. But is Piccolo? He's fused with Nail, fused with Kami and just trained to be stronger. That's about it. So this is still his peak form, before he even reached orange level. But this is just that moment of him versus the Saiyans from Universe 6 and understanding that those two Saiyans fused with every Namekian on their planet. So in technicality, like I said, I'm not going to go too much into power scaling because in technicality, wouldn't they have been stronger than Piccolo, like significantly? But Piccolo was still holding his own hand on to that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that part didn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3:That looked like he was trying to say something.
Speaker 2:No, no no, no yeah.
Speaker 1:That's all there is to it, where I'm like you know what man Like the moment you said power scaling, I'm like bro, like at this point, dragon Ball don't even care to follow their own rules when it comes to power scaling. It's just a matter of. It was just more like this arbitrary system to make it seem like this new threat is really dangerous to where we need to have like some sort of put a number to him or some shit like that. And then the hero shows up out of nowhere and they read on their little scours like oh shit, his power level is even higher than yours, and that's pretty much all it is. It's plot convenience, but at that point, like okay, yeah, you see what I say.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to go into power scaling into that. It's just one of those ones to be like well dang, how much weaker than americans university, how much weaker is universe 6 and universe 7. Exactly that whole point of like. Okay, you know, maybe the saiyans in universe 6 aren't as strong because they're not like fighters, they're more the police, they're not conquerors, they're not terrorists. It's like, okay, they're not constantly battle-hardening themselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:If you want to be nice about it, but no, it's like. Yeah, it's that point of like, like. Okay, so like what are we really seeing here as far as our characters? But, um, so you kind of say, okay, maybe that's the case, into that, but as far as we know, in the mech is it's like, okay, we get stronger. More people refuse into, and even piccolo felt some type of way into that. He was like I can't imagine he's like. The fact that he's like you don't understand how serious we are in doing this. Our people can never go back. We're living inside of me that part. Um, I wish that they were able to do a team four star day. I can only imagine how bad it would be if team four star did that. It was like we are legion, we are many. Oh, I think that there's something.
Speaker 1:I mean they did with, uh, when Tolling Art Martin reviewed, uh, the Boo saga. They could do that's where, like just do I mean it should have like Dragon Ball Super bits?
Speaker 3:they do have.
Speaker 1:Super bits, yeah, but like I don't think they all went all that far with it, so I guess they were trying to be careful.
Speaker 3:I would, it'd be dope, it'd be dope, but anyway. Um, but yes, I mean I wanted to also put it to the point of the meaning into that, where it was like even piccolo was sitting here. He was like I can only imagine he's like you. You and even piccolo kind of made a big point into it. He didn't say these exact words, but in his moment he's like you were so desperate to try to save your universe, you slaughtered your entire people for that point.
Speaker 3:And it's like and it sucks because it's that moment of understanding that damn, um, I mean, yeah, it is that serious. If we lose, our universe is going to get erased anyway. So it's like that's the point, but it's still to that point of like how serious are you really taking this fight? And it's one of those ones even point, but it was still to that point of like how serious are you really taking this fight? And it's one of those ones even Piccolo had to think about it. He was like dang, are we not taking this fight that seriously? Like I get the whole. Oh, the fate of the universe. Piccolo said it like several times the fate of the universe stands on you. You can do this.
Speaker 1:Come on, gohan, but still at the same Point of like dang, like, how serious are you taking? Like, okay, I had one thing, but now it's two things. First of all, how I think it's getting to a point where Piccolo starts yeah, the fate of the universe Is at stake, but then again it's like another Tuesday For us where, like, the universe is always At stake, chances are Goku will Find a way. I guess again to a Point where Piccolo Getting a little complex for the fact that as long as Goku's around, it's like Okay, I think we'll be alright, like, yeah, things are bad, but if we have Goku, I think we got it.
Speaker 1:You know, it's just like Um in Team Four Star, uh, when they were Having a whole training with uh, hyperbolic time chamber, uh, while cell was out and about, and then goku came out. That uh, well, no, no, my bad. Let me rewind. It was uh, as soon as he healed up from the heart disease that he had and like he's feeling better now, and I was like, oh shit, we got goku now, all right, well, nothing to worry about, he got it. That's that's pretty much how I feel at this point, to where it's like uh, it's almost like yeah, this is not uh unfamiliar to us. So I think we got it, but yeah, um, I think we should also take this seriously.
Speaker 1:That was one thing. The second thing is, with the whole thing, with those two Namekians, adora and the rest of their people, if 17 wish for all those universes back from being erased, it kind of feels like in hindsight. It kind of makes what they did pointless. Listen of makes what they did pointless. So listen, I understand that they did what they thought they had to do, because you know, who knows how this is going to play out, but in hindsight it's like now that everything's all good, now they have to go back to their planet as the only two people there.
Speaker 3:They reproduce asexually, so it's okay, oh yeah, they're not like the planet yeah.
Speaker 1:But no, but still, though, it's like that's kind of the point where the fact that they did it anyways, and even though they can't like reproduce asexually, it's almost like it kind of beats the purpose of doing all of that.
Speaker 3:But I don't know, as long as one of them, because if they follow the same rules as Universe 7 does as long as one of them is alive, then technically they still have the Dragon Clan. As long as at least one of them is a Dragon Clan member or I guess they absorb the Dragon Clan members they may have the same. Then they can just produce Dragon Balls to bring them back per se. I guess, like I don't know, there's a lot of rules into that.
Speaker 1:I don't want to believe that, because remember how Piccolo fused with Kama and they made that whole point about oh, kama's from the Dragon Clan and I'm from the warrior clan, but y'all from the same person.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah from the same person.
Speaker 1:Even, and even if that was true, even if I left it alone and let it be what it is, you absorbed kami from the dragon clan, so shouldn't you be able to create dragon balls? What's the point of dinde? At that point I'm like see, that's why I'm like. You know what? I can't? I don't even want to talk about Namiki's physiology anymore, because yo god damn.
Speaker 3:There's so much confusion and stuff. It's okay. Toriyama has admitted in his own cases, back long before he passed away and rest in peace is that he knew in his old age he was forgetting some stuff. He's admitted that he's like there's some stuff that kind of slipped my mind. So I'm like, oh, that was something that happened before, I guess. Huh, okay type of thing. Yeah, I can kind of get that, but see Then again.
Speaker 1:That's why I need to be on my own ass when I make my own stories where I'm like, alright, before I clear this arc, let me go back, let me make sure that Everything is cozy towards each other, so that way, by the time I put all this shit out there, nobody's going to be telling. Well, I'm probably still going to get some criticism. But still, though, at least I look back and try to actually like look at the shit to make sure, like try to make it as airtight as possible. If people complain, they're going to have to complain, but I'm going to make it hard for them to complain. That's the thing that I that's the thing I'm like.
Speaker 3:I'm going to make it real hard for y'all to criticize. It happens, it happens. Though, another thing that I really like to highlight as well Is the fact that, again, we had so many Close calls. It had some moments where it really kind of felt like Universe 7 is about to lose. Oh my goodness, it's the end. So many close calls, you know. It had some moments where it really kind of felt like, you know, universe 7 is about to lose. Oh my goodness, it's the end. You know, they were about to get pressured out and then goku decides oh, you know what. I'm tired of this pressure going super saiyan blue with the whole, like we said, rivoli, rib, ribily uh I can't remember
Speaker 3:the name yeah ribby and okay, with her whole team, when they had like, did the whole the heart love gravity attack thing? And it was like, oh, yeah, they're trying. Like everybody teamed up against universe 7 at the beginning because it was like, oh, we all hate you, we're gonna make you the first ones to go. And then eventually everyone started branching off to finding other people after they kind of realized, okay, user 7 is not some investment. They actually are pretty strong, we got this, yeah, but I like it was that point of like they made a whole big thing of, oh, we need to conserve our energy, we need to conserve our power, and everyone decides to start going all out against them like, okay, well, forget the power thing, forget conservation, but we got to take everyone down, everyone is after us.
Speaker 3:And it might be kind of my fault, damn it, goku but one of those moments is how, at the beginning just imagine that moment, imagine it's a free-for-all and everyone just has that generalization they look at each other and they're like, hey, we taking them out first. You'd never want to be that person, unless you were really about it. You'd never want to be that person Unless you were really about it. You never want to be that person. The other thing, also towards the beginning, is that moment of everyone doubted Jaren. Jaren looked at everybody and said not one of y'all are worth my time and decided to take a fucking nap. In the fight, dude literally just started floating in crisscross mode just like ain't none of y'all worth none of this? We could, we could. So, yeah, it was like okay, so we're about to go ahead and flow into it. And everyone just doubted him and it was like oh, you know what we got this. You get too close, you automatically getting beaten by air.
Speaker 1:His aura so is so bouted that it just beats you up, delivers an 11 piece combo and then knocks you clean across the ring can I talk about jiren just for a moment, where, like bro, like I, like how they try to make him out to be like this stoic, uh bastard, but up until the near end we get this like batman, like backstory to where like, oh you know, I was an orphan and nobody was there for me, so why should I be there for others? Like fuck friendship and whatnot, fuck trusting people and I don't need to look out for me and me alone. And then, um, it was almost like the moment I saw that shit I was waiting on, on naruto to pull, I feel like you know, we're not so different, you and I.
Speaker 3:I'm like good lord bro, true, but I mean it was also that moment of understanding, like it was the exact opposite of goku, whereas goku's, like I built my trust. I built my power based on my trust with my friends. And during that point of, like frieza said, trust no one. But he was like the only way I could survive is to be better than everyone because I lost everything. I've watched people who were just too weak to survive and it really puts in that whole big moment of only the strong will survive type of thing and you kind of really push that point of like huh, you know like he's lived that life.
Speaker 1:You know what? That reminds me of this moment where, once Goku mastered Ultra Instinct, jiren was like you know what? Let me show you just how fragile your um sense of friendship is. He threw that blast at his friends. Goku spotted a way out. Like you see, your friendship is fragile. Just let that rock. And I'm like you know what, motherfucker. I may not be a hero, just, or anything like that, but you mess with my friends. You got a problem with me and that's kind of funny, because half his friends killed half his friends you are not wrong on that.
Speaker 3:You're friends with boo. Boo killed your wife you're friends with. You're trying to be friends with, freeze or something like that. I can't really call these people your friends, bro.
Speaker 1:I mean, think about it, hold on, let's go way back to where, like Vegeta, that should be self explanatory. And let's not forget, with Dragon Ball it was King Piccolo that killed Krillin. So imagine Krillin sitting um, stands um well, even though Goku and Frieza and 17 was in there um for the whole time. But just imagine, like you know what I kind of wish. I saw a scene to where Krillin um sees Frieza for the first time since um, since Frieza killed him back in the Namek saga, and I'm like, bro, you got my murderer here. And I was like, well, you want to be technical about it.
Speaker 1:You've been friends with Piccolo for years and you didn't complain about that this is true, this is true, this is true so I'm just like it, just you know, even with the androids, like fucking, even though these androids didn't really kill any of them, any of the z-fires personally, but the fact of the matter is in another universe, like they were like murdering all of y'all, so it's almost like half your friends are fucking murderers.
Speaker 1:I found that so weird and then on top of all that you wanna give just about damn near all the villains you come across a chance to where like, not like, not even like maybe not friends, but hey yo, so um, if I ever get bored, you wanna like spar a little bit. You know, like it's almost like that. It's like it's almost like, if not friends, he just needs someone new to play with every fucking arc, you know. And then that's why we got that one super Dragon Ball Super bit, to where Vegeta was feeling some type of way about Goku putting a hit out on himself, to where I'm like, oh so I'm not good enough for you. You gotta have all these new rivals to scratch that itch that you got. I thought what we had was special Kakarot.
Speaker 3:We got, we went there, we went there. That wasn't even like Legit. I will say. Vegeta was actually Very upset about that too, when he put the hit out. When Goku put the hit out on himself, he was like, really, I was just one of the biggest best player in the words I put a hit out on himself. He was like, really, that's one of the biggest best play on the words I put a hit out on me, get it. Hit is out to get me. Ha ha ha. I'm like bro. No, let the joke die. Actually, I think that's the only reason he was called hit, because he was made an assassin.
Speaker 1:I think that's the whole reason he was called hit oh my god, god, it was on purpose.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness really you, you're just not thinking about that look like I focus on so many other things other than character names.
Speaker 3:Okay, you know how long it was for me to realize the fact that every single saying was named after a vegetable I mean, mean I kind of get that, but that was like a while ago when I pieced that together.
Speaker 3:Oh, I know that I'm talking about. Obviously we was kids when I figured it out, but I had watched so many, so much of the show. I think it was like the cell saga when it kind of I saw someone make that point and I was like oh, oh, my gosh, I never thought of that. I'm just saying Names, don't stick with me like that.
Speaker 1:Actually, you know, just to be honest with you, it took me longer to realize that Bulma was just a translation for bloomers, and I'm like really. So the brief family, you know what?
Speaker 3:All the underwear. What's the dad's name? That's the real question. Mr Brief, that's it, mr Brief, but what is his name? I'm curious.
Speaker 1:Excuse you, dr Brief, I didn't go to get this agreed to be called Mr Brief. Thank you.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, tfs has blessed us on this, but no, what was it? There was something I literally was at the tip of my tongue. It was like something else I really wanted to highlight in the tournament of power as well. Okay, so every person got their shine. As they left um, as they got eliminated, everybody had a little bit of a shine. We had krillin had a shine, we had tn had a little shine, like each of them. They didn't go out simple per se. It wasn't just, oh, you just got completely knocked out and you were worthless and stuff like that. It was a point of everybody went out and they took someone out with them. Even if they were minor characters, they still had a moment into it.
Speaker 4:But I will say, Tien got the most disrespect by Beerus yeah, but just real quick.
Speaker 1:I just want to mention how, every fucking time when Roshi shows up well, not really every time he shows up, but like I get surprised every time somebody think you know what, let's use the Mokuba technique I'm like damn, I keep forgetting. Y'all know that technique.
Speaker 3:I mean technically. That technique only works on people who are evil, though, so he's trying to pull it out.
Speaker 1:That would have. That would have worked on bra.
Speaker 3:I'm like hey, get in there yeah, this is true, this is true, this is very true. What they try to do to mock about technique against um free against against Frieza, that'd be very interesting.
Speaker 1:Man, I mean that would work out because Frieza making it pretty obvious that he's evil and he's not apologizing for that, so I'm like it would work on him.
Speaker 3:It would. That'd be interesting. That'd be a nice big full-on callback of just randomly oh the fucking seal that part.
Speaker 2:I'll never forgive you for that.
Speaker 1:You almost had him if you didn't get that fucking to you.
Speaker 3:This is true, this is very true if only, if only, um, but also so one of the things like but yeah, uh talking about roshi, but also so one of the things like but yeah, uh, talking about roshi trying to make sure I don't leave nobody out per se. 18 went out with kreling, so they both had time. No, 18 did not go out kreling, 18 went out protecting 17 and that one. I liked how that worked out, because when 18 went out we swore 17 was gone. 17 did fantastic in hiding himself all the way up until the final bout against Jaren.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was like he was there. Oh well, surprise, I was hiding the whole time.
Speaker 3:You swore he went out with 18 all the way up until, like, 18 pops up in the stands and 17 does it, and so it was like, oh okay, gotcha, gotcha okay.
Speaker 1:Man, I still remember the memes where they were like editing uh, android 17 space with dudes that like win all these um medals and on trophies and shit like mvp 17, like you know you collect the whole tournament. But in actuality it's more like dude was fucking cooling it until the last moments where, okay, let me help out a little bit. And then you're just thinking, okay, goku and Breeze are going to sacrifice themselves Well, not really sacrifice, but more like they're going to risk getting eliminated to make sure that Jiren gets eliminated. And then, surprise, surprise, 17 popped up and be like okay, so, since I'm the only one here, does that mean universe 7 wins? I'm like yes, it does.
Speaker 1:But honestly y'all, I'm pretty much good on the tournament power. I know it didn't seem like the most hype shit, but then again, like the tournament power just had a whole bunch of shit and honestly I feel like it's one of those things when everybody pretty much Seen it, even if you didn't see it. I would say just experience it for yourself. Y'all got anything else y'all want to add on before we close this out.
Speaker 3:I guess for me, if we're going to close out, it would be for me.
Speaker 3:I'm saying like it's happy we got that final moment Of like Vegeta not Vegeta, sorryku and frieza having that one team up moment and like just imagining that moment of like the dude who was the ultimate evil, even for just a brief moment even if he's not necessarily quote, unquote good, he still decided to actually like, help out for the benefit of the universe.
Speaker 3:Even for him it was like I just don't want to lose it still wound up lining up those benefits. And you would never see Frieza teaming up with someone that he hates the most, someone that not only has represented a life form that's been lower than him, a person who actually beat him, who killed him, and still having that moment of I'm teaming up with you, since we're taking down something even more strong, something stronger than us, something that even we can't necessarily handle. And of course you know we had the highlight moment of culture instinct, but this is only just a taste onto it. We'll probably talk further about that into like a later thing, if we do. But I mean still having that highlight moment. But even ultra instinct wound up being too much for goku to handle that moment that all the gods stood up, all the gods of destruction stood and then recognized. The fact is like the mortal has actually achieved something that most gods of destruction can't even fully achieve.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know what? It reminds me of the way how all the gods of destruction uh, excuse me, gods of destruction stood up when they saw that Goku master ultra instinct. Because keep in mind that, uh, the angels all know ultra instinct, to a point to where they're in a perpetual state of ultra instinct. But with the gods of destruction, they were trying to learn it, but they could never master it. And then, when they see this mortal master it, they're like is this the real deal? Even Beerus was like wheeze. I'm like, yes, goku's finally done it, hasn't he? I'm like, yes, I'm like my boy.
Speaker 3:Beerus was proud and jealous and angry all at the same time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I saw the twitching. I was like, yeah, he's happy, but he's also mad too.
Speaker 4:I'm going to tell you right now. He wasn't relatively jealous, he was mad because, bitch, what the fuck was this when I came to fight you? What was this when I came to fight you? What was this? What was this when I came to fight you.
Speaker 2:Like you telling me I couldn't get this shit first round, but now some other weak-ass mortal has pushed you to the level of Now you get it. Oh, nah, bitch.
Speaker 1:We gonna have to hit the one. Oh, and keep in mind that Ultra Instinct was kind of like with Super Saiyans, where back in the Frieza saga Super Saiyan was being alluded to every now and then. So it felt like Super Saiyan was something that was built up. Ultra Instinct didn't just come out of nowhere. It was alluded to ever since Episode 5 when Beerus was sparring with Goku and then Goku's body just acted on his own and that was like the first indication that Ultra Instinct is coming. So it's not like it came out of nowhere. And then when it finally came out, it just felt all that more deserved, especially the fucking background music. Like fucking background music. Like that background music beautiful, like you know.
Speaker 3:But the only thing that would be the only thing that was probably for me would be better than that is more iconic as Sephiroth's theme, to be honest, but we've had that for much longer too, but still, and sometimes, I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:The animation for that initial fight once he got that Master Ultra and things, especially when he was like zooming at Jiren and you saw that one shot to where dude was like looking fucking pissed. But the way you saw the way they animated that one shot, I'm like, oh man, goku, look fucking savage, like he's ready to kill this motherfucker, even though you're not really supposed to, but he's ready to kill this motherfucker.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, but, yeah. But those are probably the last two moments I did want to highlight. You know, that moment, obviously, vulture Instinct gets fully awakened and we're like holy crap, okay, okay, because, yeah, it was teased up several times. He went Ultra Instinct sign like twice, and it was the only time that it felt like Jiren had like an actual little bit of a fight. Once we got there, it was crazy the fact that, like okay, jiren was actually getting his behind handed to him and then eventually it's like okay, now we've reached that point, now we finally reached that he's here and was about to deliver the final blow, not cheering out the ring, and just couldn't handle it no more. His body was not able to handle it because he's still immortal. He's still immortal.
Speaker 3:And on top of that, he wound up doing this continual fight for the past. I think by this point it was like 40 minutes. It had like less than 8 minutes left anyway. Almost 40 minutes of this fight Of him straight having to go all out constantly, over and over and over again. His body just took too much of a toll, so he couldn't handle it anymore.
Speaker 3:And then we had finally getting that team up where we get a chance to see Goku going in and out of Super saiyan as he's um attacking and frieza going in and out of gold form as he's attacking, because they're both just running out of energy. But they're like we got to do this, we got to do this, we got to do this, so but yeah, finally getting that moment, finally getting that closing moment of like ha, this is it. And then all the fighting falling out the ring and then that final moment you know that final, that chance them talking to each other in the stands and like that was a good fight. Would love to do that again sometime. And jaren actually smiling for the first time since what? He was a baby or something like that. He never smiled and finally decided to crack a smile and then gets erased. And then they all come back.
Speaker 1:Yay, best end you know what this is reminding me of, how I still remember where I made a post where, okay, episode 130 and 131, that was like the last two episodes of Dragon Ball Super and well, as soon as Ultra Instinct finally made its appearance, I made a post saying like, oh yeah, jiren's about to sweat in these last two episodes. And then the Jiren likers was all getting mad. I'm like, man, we did some bullshit. I'm like what you expect? This ain't Jiren's story, this is Goku's story. But with that being said, that's all I pretty much had to say. Talos, you had anything you want to add on.
Speaker 1:Like I know I keep asking, but I just want to make sure Everybody had to say what they gotta say. Um, move on to the next part.
Speaker 4:Oh, nah, nah, nah, most definitely I'm good. I am most definitely good.
Speaker 1:Alright, cool, cool, cool. With that being said, that will be the end of part three of the dragon ball super extreme review. The next part will be definitely dragon ball super broly, and that's just my thing. I'm thinking, um, depending on how long that goes, uh, we might just talk about that movie alone, or we might just do both Dragon Ball Super Broly and Dragon Ball Super Hero. But then again, if we're going by manga chronological order, I would say I would feel better about talking about Dragon Ball Super Broly next, then the moral arc, then the granola arc, then the superhero arc. We'll see, but until next time, stay nerdy, great things are coming. And until the next part of the Dragon Ball Super Extreme Review.
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