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Dragon Ball Super: The Xtreme Review (Universe 6 & Goku Black)
What if the timeline of your favorite Dragon Ball characters wasn’t the original at all? Join us on an electrifying journey through the multiverse of Dragon Ball Super, where we promise you’ll uncover the layered intricacies of the Universe 6 and the Goku Black arcs. We kick off by unraveling the hilarious antics of the Universe 6 tournament, from Champa’s mischievous schemes to Monaka’s unexpected role as Goku’s motivator. Laugh along with us as we explore the comedic genius behind these arcs, while delving into the mysterious powers of Zeno, the king above all, who remains both charming and terrifying.
As the saga unfolds, we spotlight the captivating character dynamics and development, focusing heavily on Goku's and Vegeta’s journey. Discover how Vegeta’s mentorship of Cabba adds depth to the Saiyan legacy and how Goku’s naive charm and relentless pursuit of strength shape his unusual path. We dive deep into the controversial outcomes of the Tournament of Power and Goku’s strategic choices that left fans divided. Meanwhile, the complexity of time travel and fusion rules in the Dragon Ball universe gets dissected, offering fans fresh insights and sparking debates about the implications of these evolving narratives.
Finally, prepare for a thrilling ride through the Future Zamasu arc, where the stakes are higher and the narrative more twisted. The enigmatic Zamasu challenges our heroes in unexpected ways, as we ponder the ramifications of his zero mortals plan and the role of Trunks’ time-traveling heroics. We wrap up with a spirited discussion on Mastered Ultra Instinct and the tantalizing possibilities of future arcs, teasing the potential threats that our beloved characters might face. Tune in for an episode brimming with speculation, humor, and a comprehensive analysis of one of the most dynamic universes ever created.
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all right. Part two of the dragon ball super extreme review. This part is going to be dedicated towards the universe 6 and the zamazu arc, or goku black or uh, or future trunks arc, whatever you want to call this show. And you know how the cell Saga, back to Dragon Ball Z, introduced multiverse theories to our franchise. Well, this portion of the Extreme Review is going to show us how sometimes multiverse theory sounds cool up until it gets messy. Go ahead and dive into that.
Speaker 1:So we got the universe six things where, okay, we already were introduced to beers and wheeze and beers pretty much went down to earth to um stomp out the super saiyan guy. But um, with his fight with Goku, he was like you know what, I'll give y'all a chance After all. Like, just see how shit plays out. And then we have Frieza Making a turn, but you know, he Got killed Again and the main thing about that Was that he got his golden form, while uh, goku and vegeta got their blooper saying form that's what I'm pretty much gonna call him sometimes. But now we have the universe six saga, to where now beerus has a brother named champa, and universe six and we've come to find out that, oh, there's like what 12 universes? But here's the thing, uh, that kind of fucked me up when, uh, I was hearing about dragon ball kakume, like it was, like this fan made uh manga which made it made it sound so good, how they were universe from like universe 13 through 19 or 20, I want to say, and they had it to where frieza became a god of destruction and I think, universe 20. And then there was like this one lady, this one angel from universe zero and I was like, oh shit, hold on. But that's not about that point being. Is that okay? We're now dealing with multiple universes and of course, beerus and Champa have that brotherly rivalry going on and they just say you know what? I bet you, my strongest fighters in my universe, can beat yours. You know that my dad can beat your dad, type deal. And that's pretty much what this tournament is. So where it's just pretty much one big exhibition to where you wish, on the super dragon balls, which is like the size of planets, and you just make a wish.
Speaker 1:Now they got some interesting characters, like there's this one character that's like I swear to god, he was like the fucking, um, horrible, um bear you know those gummy bears um, he was like winnie the pooh but dragon ball. And then you have frost, who's like this reskin of frieza. You have um kaba. There's, of course, hit, he's like the main boy in that one. And then you have this one guy, monaka, that was on team goku's team, but the thing about him was beerus had him tag along, having goku believe that monaka is the strongest on the team, but he's actually a phony. He was just trying to be, was just trying to um, encourage goku to, you know, do his best so one day he might fight monaka. But thought it was gonna be. So, yeah, before we get started, uh, kukiasu, talos, y'all got anything y'all want to add on to Universe 6 before we get into the fight.
Speaker 2:The whole thing with Monaka for me was just absolute fun. It was funny as shit. But first off, the main thing is I was very uncomfortable with how erect this nigga's nipples were the entire time. It was the most disturbing thing to me throughout that whole thing when all of a sudden and it became a whole thing in the Dragon Ball fanbase too the more erect his nipples are, the stronger he gets, and I'm like that's just, why are we here? Why are we here, like I get it's supposed to be? There's some comedy things I'm cool with and some stuff I'm just like I don't know. For me that just wasn't it. For me it wasn't really funny, it was just like okay, I guess, type of thing.
Speaker 2:But Beerus also literally shot himself in the foot on that shit. When Goku gets super excited, he's like oh yeah, I'm going to go ahead and fight you off right now, and you're like no, no, no, you're not ready yet. You and you're like no, no, no, you're not ready yet, you need to train to get stronger and stuff like that. And it was very clear to everybody that Monaco was obviously an absolute weakling, that there was no way possible. And Goku, just he's so into it. He's like you know what?
Speaker 1:No, but that's the funny thing, hold on, hold up, hold up real quick. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. It's like you know how, in dragon ball fashion, how they will have this character that looks so ridiculously like they. It looked like this character don't look like they can fight, but then they like surprise you and shit, kind of like how, when you first introduced to zeno at the end of this universe, six um arc, to where you meet Zenna, who's like the king above all, and you're just like wait this guy, I'm like I was kind of expecting someone at least a little taller, like he doesn't necessarily have to be like buff or anything, but like I was expecting someone taller, you know. So it's like one of those things where it's like hold on man, like don't put it past him, like he might got the hands, but he actually was a phony. That's the thing.
Speaker 2:There's a whole theory thing into it that has quite enough evidence or support that Zeno Can't fight. He's just Got massive fucking amounts of power. Because it's one of those things when watching a tournament when both tournaments he was having some trouble watching everything. And a real martial artist, like all the everyone else that's fighting, could clearly keep up with the fighting and everything, but Zeno could not. So it's like he doesn't really have much of a martial arts status per se.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's more like a black mage type deal to where he can do massive damage magically or something, but he's not really a combatant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like he's just all powerful, but that doesn't mean that he can actually throw hands. So I don't know, it's only theoretical, there's no proof into it. But I mean, zeno can do whatever with the snap of his finger or just to wave his hand. If you make me wave my finger, you're dead, type of shit. That kind of thing, oh bro, never mind.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but I got that intimate memory of Yu-Gi-Oh or Bridge to where Taiba's like I'll wag my finger and then you'll be sorry.
Speaker 2:Pretty much, pretty much. But otherwise, before getting into the fights, it was nice getting an understanding about the other universes. It was like oh, but there's less. There was 12, but some of them got destroyed. Kind of having that build-up of like, like, oh, but there's less. There was 12, but some of them got destroyed. Kind of having like that build up of like, oh. So there's universe, literally universal threats, like and it's one of those things like we've seen it on death battle and a bunch of little fighting channels they're doing youtube, but mostly death battle, where they do the calculation of the universes and stuff and like universe 7 is damn near 10 times the size of our universe per se, so it's significantly bigger, and it's like and, but that could easily be destroyed, like nothing. And then there's other universes of other things. You're like, oh, okay, cool, and I mean obviously we find out more about it during the fights, but also finding out that there's a whole another in the other universe. The saiyans are the good police.
Speaker 2:They're not out conquering people like you know, yeah, because that was one of the craziest things like in universe six in the fact that the saiyans in that universe actually help maintain order throughout the world and then work with the Frost Giants, which we still don't know if that's exactly what it is that Frieza's race is. That's still not canonical, but it's still.
Speaker 1:That's the best way to put it. They just look like lizards, but ice themed.
Speaker 2:Pretty much. So. Yeah, so we wound up having that aspect, so we don't know who it is per se, really. But then there's also that moment of like they police everybody, they help keep order and maintain balance, and because they do that, they're like immensely fucking weak, minus one person well, two people really, minus these two girls, one who's like man, fuck all that order of shit. I want to go ahead and get stronger. She's the only one that actually has a Saiyan pride per se with Universe 7, because that doesn't exist for Universe 6. So she's an outcast for having that thought. But yeah, so I mean, like we get some development characters, we get we get some callbacks, because I can't remember the big yellow blobs names. I can't remember um.
Speaker 1:I got. I just remembered um the the Winnie the Pooh looking dude is named Ultimo. And then they got this one robot guy named Magetta, I think it was meant to be like Magenta, but they renamed it like Magetta, like Og Magetta or something like that, like Armageddon.
Speaker 2:If you say it all together it sounds almost like Og Magetta. It's like Armageddon is kind of what it sounds like all together, yeah, but the big blob. You actually get somewhat of a callback per se to GT because there was like one random episode in GT where one of the planets that they wound up visiting trying to get the Blackstar Dragon Balls, they wound up meeting some creatures that look very similar and it was a very simple design type thing Technically. Technically get a slight call back with gt onto that one when it's like, hey, you know, because there's that whole thing with gt and super, that timeline that we went into that whole discussion with melvin I'm not trying to go back into that right now, but I'm just saying but still, that whole timeline thing of like technically they exist per se within the different timelines and shit. So we still get kind of a callback per se with universe 6 where we get a chance to meet an alien that was you could see that alien in GT. So it's like, okay, we kind of have that.
Speaker 2:So it was interesting having these characters like. We obviously have characters who are unimportant. They're just absolute throw-offs. Just what the fuck ever? But then you have some that are important and, of course, my all-time favorite from Universe 6, hit. Because Hit was just that dude.
Speaker 2:Dude just shows up in drip, just straight up, like I don't give a reason. Not only he's a dude that can back the shit that he says, it's also still and again. We haven't gotten into the fight yet, but it's still that moment of understanding his power. Dude's like. I'm so OP in my universe.
Speaker 2:My own God of Destruction didn't even think to invite me to this tournament because you're a skilled assassin. I didn't think we could get you to come to be honest. And he had to be promised a very special artifactual item that's very important to him in Universe 6. And so it's like that's the only way. He's like OK, you give me that shit, fine, I'll come in and wipe the floor of whatever fucking shit you want to put me at. It's like who is this guy? There's so much mystery surrounding him that makes him so so cool type shit. But other than that, I like that he's dedicated to his craft, he does his job and he's out. As soon as you hear that he is out for your life, there's no question about it. You know for a fact that you're dead. There's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 1:No, listen, listen. I will never get over the fact that goku hired hit to take him out and then vegeta felt some type of way about it oh, I'm not good enough for you.
Speaker 2:You gotta get you, gotta pay somebody to fight you shout out the team four star because, like they, they did a bit on that, because they do have um dragon ball super bits and that whole bit of like goku of vegeta just getting so upset in his feelings and he's like it's not you, it's me, and it was like the whole shit.
Speaker 1:They treated Weef like a fucking therapist. I was like okay, Vegeta, how does that make you feel? And I was like made me feel cheap, Made me feel like I'm not good enough. I was like whoa, Whoa. It was like it was like couple therapy. I was like hey, we was like man, I was not prepared for all this.
Speaker 2:Right, like this is one of those ones you be like, come on now, y'all supposed to be battle trained hardened veterans In your 40s to 60s, in your 40s, like like. Come on now, like y'all supposed to be battle-trained hardened veterans in your 40s to 60s what 40s per se In your 40s. Like you know you supposed to be getting like y'all sound like y'all should be fucking for all. We know, like, just what the hell is going on now. I mean, technically, they both disappeared together off to a far distant planet, away from their families, to hang out all the time and wrestle anyway. But the thing about it is the fact that like and Hit succeeded like, yeah, like. It's not even just the fact that Goku still lost. Hit still was like sorry man, this was fun and all, but I'm hired to kill you and I don't fail my jobs and literally killed him on the spot, like, and then left his dead corpse there. Goku had to think, had to strategize. You know what, melvin, we just did the Shangri-La Frontier review. We just did the Shangri-La Frontier review and you know, literally Goku shooting a ki blast into the air to revive himself was the same shit that our main character, son Raku, did when he took that clap from the clear sky against the tomb guard, he tossed it. He grabbed that revival shit, tossed it into the air because he knew he was about to get hit and, just like, was prepared for it to revive him as soon as he died, like, just came instantly ready and then did it, like, several times. I'm just now realizing that is literally the damn, exact same damn scene. Damn, but yeah, I mean so, without really getting into the fights itself. Um, the only other thing I had to mention and then, um, so we can hear talos is uh, I like that we've got the chance to get gohan back. You know, we got a chance to get gohan back.
Speaker 2:Like he was, like you know he, he felt so shamed with how bad he. He got beat during the resurrection of art and so he was like he finally decided to dedicate himself back to becoming stronger and literally having that moment of you know what. I'm not prepared to protect my family, and that's not right. It's like I always well, I don't, you guys are always going to take over everything, but is that point of understanding? He was not prepared and literally he was one of the ones to witness the planet being destroyed and literally everyone dying, and that sat heavily with him. He was like literally I lost everyone and fuck that whole y'all not strong enough, type shit. I wasn't strong enough and my family died and he's like, nah, fuck that.
Speaker 2:So he dedicated himself and actually got back being ready and was like I'm now ready for anything, I'm ready for this shit. So I have high appreciation that we finally got Gohan back and it was him coming back makes me appreciate that we had that segment with him during the Golden Frieza arc, because if he did not come back, he's just trash Gohan. Why would you do that? But to make it that that was a wake up call for him to I need to get off my shit and actually do something. I can appreciate that showing growth up call for him to I need to get off my shit and actually do something. I can appreciate that, that showing growth. So that's what I got before we get into the fight.
Speaker 1:So that's my generalization of like the universe, six start to build up into it uh, tell us you got anything you want to add in before we get into the place oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm right here with you all right, all right, let's go into the nine matches that they have, starting with goku versus botamo. Uh, pretty much what kokuyasu was saying, that with botamo, his body was um built to render physical and energy based attacks, boy. So Goku had to use his head to win by instead throwing Baltimore out of the ring. So it was one of those classic Dragon Ball tournament shenanigans going on there. So that was a little on brand for Dragon Ball as a franchise.
Speaker 2:Shampa was trying to cheat on that because he purposely knew the fact that they was not going to win by ring out default. Martial artists don't feel good about that. That's been a whole thing since back in dragon ball. They don't count that as a real win. But yeah, champa cheated on that shit because he even said to himself he was like, oh yeah, he can't do, he can't take no physical hits, it don't make a difference, we're gonna win this easy cheating ass motherfucker oh damn, I didn't think he was gonna throw him out.
Speaker 1:I'm like I mean, listen, like goku, like yeah, he probably wouldn't resort to that like at first, but like it's one of the things where I'm like, okay, we got a tournament to win, so gotta do what I gotta do. So match two we got goku versus frost. Now goku immediately goes into super saiyan I mean almost immediately, as far as I remember and then he forces Frost to go into his full power form. You know, like how Frieza had his final form on Namek and Frost was still at a disadvantage. So that's when Frost himself started to cheat and defeated Goku using a poison with this like little barb this little barb that you can barely see and then just kind of injected that poison that just made Goku go paralyzed and all that shit. So Frost was the victor of match two. But he's going to get his comeuppance in the third match when piccolo um step into the ring. So piccolo uses his smarts and his skills to put up an effort against frost. But frost, I'll find himself, he gotta um, he's in a position that he just can't get out of. And then as soon as piccolo uses his um stretchy arm to like kind of constrict his movement, like you know, kind of constrict him. You know Frost had to like kind of move his arm around in there and try to jab him with the poison Once again, a little barb on his forearm. But Jocko, jocko, with his eyesight, he was able to see that Frost was using that. Jocko, with his eyesight, he was able to see that Frost was using that. And he got Frost disqualified and, having been caught cheating, piccolo was declared the winner and Goku was able to participate in the tournament again. Now let me pause there and say that with Frost, it's funny how Frost was set up to be like this one dude that's actually like helping people with the whole peacekeeping and whatnot, with the wars and what, but in actuality he was one of those devious motherfuckers that was starting the wars that he was finishing. So yes, he he's just as bad as frieza, and we're gonna talk about that a little bit more when we get to part three, when we do the universal survival, which is pretty much tournament of power and the lead up to that. But we'll do that in part three. I'll talk about frieza and frost.
Speaker 1:Uh, match four. Uh, this is Vegeta vs Frost. Now I don't know why they still go out on. Oh wait, I know why. Um Vegeta wanted to fight Frost instead and Pickle for some reason had to forfeit the tournament just for um Vegeta to fight Frost. I guess I don't understand why that's a thing, but I guess um, now match four, that's when uh Vegeta fights uh Frost. But uh then, well, it really was supposed to be I'm sorry, it was supposed to be piccolo versus uh magetta, but due to vegea's insistence on fighting frost, that fight took place instead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, once again, it got weird. Uh, here and there, but bear with me. Uh, in this fight between vegea versus frost, vegea goes to super saiyan, quickly incapacitates Frost, vegeta's the winner. Moving on Match 5, that's when Vegeta fights Magetta. Since Frost cheated, fighting against Goku, goku's allowed back into the tournament, like I pretty much just said, and is placed after Vegeta. In the anime, a new rule was made for the match where if one competitor touches the barrier, that person loses. So I feel like this tournament is getting dirtier and dirtier the more we talk about it.
Speaker 1:Vegeta eventually managed to defeat Magetta by a ring out, by exposing Magetta's weakness when he insults him, causing him to drop to his guard. Now let me talk about this fight, to where Vegeta tried almost all the tricks to beat Magetta, including the final flash, but that wasn't enough. It took insults for Magetta to drop his guard and for him to lose. I'm like aren't you a robot? Why that's you know what? Match six Vegeta versus kaba. Now, this is no one surprised. This is my second favorite fight out of them all because, of course, you have kaba, who had no idea what a super Saiyan was, and Vegeta was like you don't know what Super Saiyan is.
Speaker 1:I can't, from an audience point of view. You can't really fault Saiyans People not knowing, because, keep in mind, super Saiyan was supposed to be this myth, this legend. You can't really fault some Saiyans for not not knowing. That's an actual thing. But anyways, uh, vegeta transformed to super saiyan. I insist that kaba does the same. Kaba reveals that he doesn't know how to do that. And then vegeta was like okay, I'll teach you how to become a super saiyan, as requested. But I like the way he did it. He, he straight up grabbed cabba by the shirt and I was like when I'm done with you, I'm gonna go to your universe and I'm gonna snuff out everyone you know. And he was like oh, you better leave my people alone and then I burst into anger and all that shit.
Speaker 1:And all right, uh. And then next thing you know, but he was like good, now that you know how to do super saiyan, let me show you super saiyan blue instantly. Uh, knock out kaba. And he said to him as he was going down never forget that feeling. Yeah, it's definitely my second favorite because the sentimentality of that fight I like that. I like the way it was very Vegeta of him to do it, the way he did it when it's like, oh, I need to get you real mad and I was like the best way to do it, brighten your people. I was like, oh, you can say whatever you want about me, but you better leave my people alone. You know what I mean? All right, match seven vegeta versus hit. So vegeta had no idea he didn't know what to do with it because with his techniques where he has like this time stop thing going on, uh, vegeta got brutally beaten by it and being knocked out and all that shit. But in the manga he lost like over 90 percent of his fighting capability. That was the primary factor in how Vegeta got beat, but he would have won otherwise if it wasn't for it. Pretty much kind of like neutralizing him in a sense.
Speaker 1:And then we get to the best fight, goku versus hit. So goku, being told about his time skip technique, begins to fight in his base state to first figure out how his moves work. In the manga he powers up the Super Saiyan and then Super Saiyan God In order to overpower his time skip. Now see, that's another thing. That's a damn shame To where we rarely get Super Saiyan God, not Blooper Saiyan, but just Super Saiyan God Throughout the anime. So it was like the next time we see Super Saiyan God In the anime Excluding Dragon Ball, super Brolyan guy in the anime excluding on dragon ball, super broly uh would be in the tournament of power. So I'm like, why didn't I put that? You know what? Whatever uh hit responds with this full power, but once again got overwhelmed by goku's blooper saiyan form.
Speaker 1:And in the anime Goku used super Saiyan blue after his base form and then outmatched his hit. But the assassin uh started to improve. Uh got Goku forced into use uh Kaioken on top of the fucking uh blooper Saiyan, and that was like one of the most epic shit so far in this anime. You know, until we get to like tournament of power, but this was pretty much like. This was one of those moments that broke the internet at one point to where uh, oh shit, I didn't know he can do that.
Speaker 1:And then, either way, in both versions, whether it's anime or manga that the climax of the battle. Goku realized that he cannot fight At his fullest potential Without being allowed to kill, and this wasn't one of those tournaments where he was allowed to Kill his opponent. So Goku decides to jump out of the arena and forfeit, much to everyone's surprise, and that is on brand for Goku. But god damn it, there's things on the line, man. You can't just be doing shit like I keep thinking of the fucking Cell Saga when he be doing shit like oh, I'm just gonna tap out and make my son fight you instead, oh, I'm just gonna throw Sens a sensu being at the enemy, so my son can be his first bad guy at full strength. Goku, bro, bro, stop gambling with people's lives, man, come on, okay, not real Final match, if you need to call it a match Monaka versus Hit.
Speaker 1:Monaka throws a punch at on hit at the leg and it didn't really do anything, but hit was like you know what? I really appreciate what goku did for me because he knows that I can't really fight at my full strength, uh, if I can't kill. And I feel like he understands to respect the fact that he wants me to fight him at my best. So I'm like you know what, goku, I'll do you this one. I'll pretend that that kick was so, that punch was so devastating that he just throws me out into the ring and then Monaka cuts the tournament for Universe 7.
Speaker 1:Woohoo Uh y'all got anything I want to add on to all that shit.
Speaker 2:First, last time, so tell us, it's your turn.
Speaker 3:Okay. So these are them voice gestures of all ages. Y'all know, today I'm going a pull, a tuck. This is not the Runnin' Neighborhood Admin, this is the Runnin' Neighborhood Conspiracy Theorist. Oh lord. So you know, let me explain Something to you. Right, this was both the best and the most Bullshit tournament I have seen today, cause there is no fucking way. No way, you're going to tell me oh hey, you know what, you know what. We're going to do all of this, as y'all hear me crack open a pan. We're going to do all of this, and yet the person who relatively can't fight for shit wins the entire tournament. The person who actually has no martial arts prowess wins the tournament. Oh, okay, so we just gonna pull her cubes all around, all right?
Speaker 1:no-transcript, alright, that's a lot of this shit.
Speaker 3:Don't get me wrong, right, vegeta was one of the best people in this entire tournament. Vegeta whooped ass all around, all around the fact that one, one person that he fought literally his only weakness was hey, you have to insult me. I felt like that was a bullshit that we just I was like. I was like what the fuck, my feelings. So if somebody insults him on accident, it's my feelings and I fall down. What the fuck? No, no, get out, get the fuck out, get out, get out.
Speaker 3:Y'all just trying to make Vegeta look bad. Like what the fuck? Y'all basically making him into a bully. Like, give Vegeta some fucking credit. The man likes to fight, but you telling me oh okay, he trashed. He finds the one enemy that, if he just so happens to trash, talk now it's ooh, now he hurt his feelings. You ain't hurt, you ain't getting him. You knocked him out the ring, but guess what? Now he's sitting over there. You ain't hurt, you ain't getting him. You knocked him out the ring, but guess what? Now he's sitting over there. He's relatively not even fazed, hurt, bruised, because, as we're looking at him, no goddamn dicks, no, nothing. And he's just over there rocking and crying.
Speaker 1:What the fuck.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, it was like Alright cool, you know what? Fuck it, i'ma let that go. That fight, that fight, pure genius, pure fucking genius. That was really fucking great. It was to the point of hey, I like that he's teaching another saying in the way that their saying race was taught. Hey, look, you know, y'all saying race is a little different. All of y'all people are here. Y'all, relatively, are not. Y'all didn't lose nobody. So, whereas us, we were a fighting race, we fought and we hadn't learned to rage. So understand, y'all don't have the same way that we do. Y'all might achieve it easier, maybe, but in order to get there, you need to feel something. So I love that. I love that. That was pure gold to me. That was pure gold to me. The Goku vs Hit Fight that was another pure gold to me. That was pure gold to me. The Goku vs Hit fight that was another pure gold thing to me. I felt like they cheated Piccolo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he could have still gotten the three Like y'all hoeing Piccolo out here somewhere in the movie.
Speaker 3:We'll get to the movie later.
Speaker 2:But y'all hoeing.
Speaker 3:Piccolo, but y'all hold Piccolo Like y'all was holding Piccolo, which I also feel like they'd be trying to hold Gohan. You can't do that to these characters. These were the characters that you were supposed to End all be all with. These were the characters supposed to be alive, not Goku and Vegeta. Goku and Vegeta weren't supposed to be here. If we're going to be truthful and honest, about it but since it got reversed, they're here.
Speaker 3:But you gotta make all characters the strongest they're supposed to be. So that's my thing. Overall, I love the tournament. It was goofier than all fucking get out, stupider than all fucking get out, especially towards the end when you see two destroyers who are supposed to not be scared of nothing, get fucking scared over a little bitty kid who we now know as the actual god of everything, like that shit. That was funny, sorry, that was hilarious. That was hilarious. Like you see two niggas that's supposed to be the destroyer and everybody's like, oh, they're gonna end up y'all. No, my nigga, they're not, I'll be y'all.
Speaker 1:Meet their boss no like, see, I like how, while everybody else was like bowing and shit and Goku fashion, the boy was like um, trying to shake his hands Like what up my name's Goku.
Speaker 3:Yeah, goku Right, what up? Thank you Shit. Welcome to the hood, like you know, I was like I, like this guy. Everybody else was like nigga, you finna get us killed.
Speaker 1:so those are my words, but that's the thing, that's the um. That's what I feel like with goku is like, say what you want about goku. It's like some things about him to where I kind of understand, to where it's like this dude is like you thinking like he's just being ignorant, just on treating like any type of dude. But the way I see it is that zeno, in a way it was like bro. He's like so unfazed by the fact that I can literally blow up his universe with a snap of the finger and he just treated me like I'm his friend. I'm like you know what I like you you don't really fear me like the other people do, but it's like you don't hate me either.
Speaker 3:It's like I like you. You know what I mean, so it's like I like you, you know me.
Speaker 1:So it's like yeah, it's in Goku fashion, like, yeah, that's some shit on, you need to on tread carefully. But he's lucky that, um, you know long had a quick fondness of, and that's gonna be fleshed out even more in tournament of power when we get there. Yeah, most definitely Alright, gentlemen.
Speaker 2:Are you?
Speaker 1:ready to get to the real meat and potatoes of this.
Speaker 2:Just a couple things I want to point out real quick. First off, yeah, virginia did get hold the first time. The only fight that he actually really won was against Cabba, and he had to fight against a person who was extremely weak to him I guess alongside Frost as well too, because the thing about it is they wound up rolling it out as a technicality. Frost didn't technically cheat because he used his own biome. His body has a natural stinger to be able to defend himself, very similarly to the fact that the Saiyans have tails to turn into great apes. It's a natural defense mechanism. When they get strong enough, they no longer need their tails anymore. That has been proved canon.
Speaker 2:So they ruled that one out, and so, yeah, vegeta was like nah, I just want to go ahead. Vegeta just wanted to say you be Piccolo, you be Goku, so I gotta whoop your ass, just because nobody wants Goku's ass but me. I'm the one that does. I didn't really like how they did that, but you know whatever. But the other thing about it is the fact that when it came down for Goku, when it came down for that fight as well too, was, we did get a chance to see more about Frost. I like that one. But with that Cabba fight, y'all sitting here praising him being like oh you know, he taught him and everything he taught. Nah, he whooped that boy's ass. He didn't even even the playing field. He turned him super saiyan. He taught him how to go super saiyan and did not fight him super saiyan.
Speaker 1:But no, but the reason why I was praising him for is because he did, in vegeta fashion, to where he knew he. He knew he was gonna win that fight. It's just that. Okay, uh, at the very least I know I'm gonna win, but I'm gonna teach you how to turn super saying so that you can improve from there. And then the next time you come fight me you better, uh, come prepared, because I got something for you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, basically it was in Vegeta fashion of all right, I've won this, I've won this fight, there's nothing for me to do. He can't whoop me. Regardless of it, Even when they were all showing that whole moment of Vegeta. And you see Boma over there, like Vegeta. What are you doing? Vegeta already had that one, because Vegeta was like Vegeta. What are you doing? You know, like Vegeta already had that one, because Vegeta was like he can't beat me, I want to see his power. So I got to let him do a little something. I can't just sit here and not let him do a little something, because I need to know that he is learning that as a Saiyan, in Vegeta fashion, as the prince of all Saiyans, regardless of whatever universe he's in. He is the prince of all Saiyans.
Speaker 3:He is literally going to see whether or not this young Saiyan can learn and by Cabot showing like, yeah, he learned. He literally listened Okay, cool, Good job, Good job. Now let me show you what happens when you train enough. And he went blue and knocked his ass cold and told him this is what you look forward to Understand. You will never reach me because I'm going to keep training until my next date.
Speaker 1:Also and keep in mind that you just said it yourself to where Vegeta was getting holed up by getting paired with all these weaklings. So at the very least, with Kabo, I was like, hey, man, you better give me your A game, because I'm getting tired of getting all these weaklings, or Goku get to fight Hit and shit, and even though with Hit he fights Hit, yeah, but he wasn't prepared for Hit though.
Speaker 2:It was true, nobody was fully prepared for it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, nobody was fully prepared for Hit, but once they knew exactly what the fuck it was with Hit, they were like, yeah, now I know what to do with you.
Speaker 2:Until they didn't anymore, I will say, in that aspect. So, jbb, I'm glad that you didn't mention into it. This isn't the first time, the super that this will happen. This happens a hell of a lot. From this point forward, the manga fights and the anime fights are different. That's like they start to become more vastly different, and it's one of those things that you're just like why would they even make this change? Like you really start getting confused about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like we could have had that. Like it would have been fine. It would have been fine.
Speaker 2:Because here's the thing, though In the manga, goku going Super Saiyan God was a purposeful thing in order to be able to, because the thing about it is is that we understand later on so I'm kind of doing a big jump onto this, because we don't talk about they don't really talk about an anime, not so much further on, but they do talk about it in the manga around this time that super saiyan god allows you to access god key, but super saiyan blue is a powerhouse, but it drains your key.
Speaker 2:So it's one of the same reasons why it is that goku doesn't use super saiyan 3 that often and why it is that it's believed to be, why it is. Vegeta absolutely never even tried to go Super Saiyan 3. By that point, there's no way of honing Super Saiyan 3 like they were able to hold Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan 2. They can hold Super Saiyan to the point that they're in it to where it's damn near nothing to know what the key matters. Nothing whatsoever, because it's so minute. Super saiyan 2 about the same, but super saiyan 3. Goku has never been able to find a way to make super saiyan 3 not drain his key.
Speaker 1:It's like that reminds me of how, uh, way back in the sales saga again, to where you know, you have uh, super saiyan, grade two, grade three, where uh trunks are trying to beef up and shit, and I know it's like team four star bridge, but let's be honest, like I believe the uh anime slash manga also tried to explain that too. Uh to where, essentially that, yeah, you can buff up and get stronger, but you'll have a decrease in speed. So even if Vegeta knew how to hit Super Saiyan grade two or grade three, it'd be like what would be the point? So if he knows that Goku gets drained easily doing Super Saiyan three, what's the point of going Super Saiyan three If there was no way to make that sustainable or viable option in the long run?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's also one of those things Like manga readers understand. Like manga readers understand that anime watchers If you're only anime onto Dragon Ball, you don't get no full explanation into it. Because the last thing that's mentioned Is that Vegeta gets upset when he finds out that Goku Was able to go Super Saiyan 3 in the Buu Saga and he's like you still didn't fight me at full power. But if you're a manga reader, you understand that later on it does get explained to Vegeta that he understands it's a complete key drain and it's just it's not worth it and so Goku is reluctant to use it. It's not a way for him to get a full fighting experience, it's just it's not worth it per se, and we're going to talk about it again when we go to tournament power.
Speaker 1:But it's just, it's not worth it per se and we're gonna talk about it again when we go to tournament power. But it's like kind of in hindsight, it's kind of weird how uh kalifa was trying to pressure goku into teaching them how to hit super saiyan 3. I'm like, bro, like you don't understand uh uh drawback on on going to a saiyan 3?
Speaker 2:that one is explained more in the anime when we finally get to that point. Yeah, we do get a brief explanation in it in the blue saga, but not, but not really until like the turn of the power. But yeah, in the manga it was explained early on. So blue is the same thing. He doesn't like to go blue that often in the manga because it drains him quickly like it's an access to god key. But the drainage in blue does give you a boost in power, but it reduces your stamina. It was the same thing for three, because three doesn't it? Three doesn't make you slower, you actually do get faster and more powerful. It's just it drains that key and it reduces your stamina yeah, and that's why I was coming back over here to say that's why they switched up in the anime.
Speaker 3:In the anime, blue does it. Once they. They got to that level fast of hey for super saiyan, for super saiyan god, some same blue, hey. It no longer does that to them. Why? Because they overcame. They knew that was going to be an issue anyway. Because Super Saiyan, God for them, how they said it, they were like, okay, this just relatively makes it feel like they're in their base form. It goes back to how it was like before. It makes them feel like they were in their base form. And then Super Saiyan Blue felt like when they first got Super Saiyan hey. When they first got Super Saiyan hey, hellified stamina drain.
Speaker 3:But now it's not so much of a hellified stamina drain. That's why they're like, okay, hey, we can almost be blue every day. Now they're not there yet, but they can almost be in blue every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and see, that's another thing where we go back to I'm sorry for the callbacks for the cell saga, but they made a lot of good points in the cell saga to where you can go into the hyperbolic time chamber, you know, like Colin Wilfriesa did, and you can try to train your way to make that sustainable. But don't push yourself too hard because you know, uh, being in hyperbolic time shape, that might be a cheat code, but it also has its drawbacks too, to where it's like even goku would say that, hey, man, there's a such thing as over training. So, like, don't rush the results. Just, you know, try to um. You know, it's kind of like an art and a science in a way, to where you gotta figure out that sweet spot to where, okay, am I going past my limit? Or you got like time it's where, how long can I stay in this form?
Speaker 1:You know, like how, in some animes where like, like, uh, I want to say bleach does that thing, or some other animes where they'll constantly let the audience know that they only have a certain amount of time in this form before it starts to crumble and shit, and that's why I'm like okay, okay, I can see that.
Speaker 1:So if they kind of record how long they can stay in that form, then it'll be easy to like okay, let me see if I can push it farther. Can't push it even farther to a point to where I can now sustain this form without losing any stamina. So it's like that's why I kind of appreciate goku in the sense to where, bro, you don't understand I have to constantly stay training because there's going to be bigger fish to fry and I can't stay complacent at my current level. But at the same time I can't because you know I'm not going to get anywhere by overtraining. Then I'm going to have to spend most of my days trying to recuperate from overtraining. So I got to pace myself regardless, but I got to stay vigilant in case somebody comes up and try to blow up our fucking planet. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You got to fuck me at some point. I gotta be ready, gotta be on there, gone, but still going back to really quick so I can finish up, so we can move forward is with Hit. Until they weren't able to handle Hit anymore, because one thing that happens for Hit too is the fact that he's never had anyone push his limits before. So now, with him pushing his limits, we had a fucking jojo bizarre adventure shit with like with dio in this time and he was like, oh, if I keep using it and I and I like start using it more, and more and more and actually push myself in it, not just be like, oh, I can use it, but not just use it, get someone weaker, but actually push myself, can I push it further? Can I push my power further? Hits started evolving and I like how we literally had the anime was very only specific in anime. It didn't really do this shit in the manga he just kind of blew a little bit. Nigga went through a fucking Pokemon transformation evolution in anime. It was hilarious.
Speaker 1:It kind of reminds me of with Broly, even though it's like later.
Speaker 2:But broly did the same thing to where he was learning as he was fighting right and those are the most dangerous enemies to fight against is the ones that are able to adapt. Taskmaster is the one of the most absolutely deadly marvel villains well, and villain in marvel, considering the fact that he adapts your learning to the roles.
Speaker 1:He's a very dangerous street-level villain Because he doesn't have superpowers, but he is dangerous. So I want to say, at least street-level, he's dangerous.
Speaker 3:Let me throw this at him before we move on. I just want y'all to understand, right? So alright For those of y'all, for those of y'all conspiracy theorists out there, I do want y'all to realize that, as we've talked about this, here's the next thought. Right, we know he's going to be, we know he's going to have mastered ultra instinct, and I'm talking about, you know, not just ultra instinct, but mastered ultra instinct, master Ultra Instinct. So there lies a point here in which I got to ask you this question, in which you don't have to answer now, but think about it, right, is Master Ultra Instinct going to be the next Super Saiyan 3? Wow, that's the thought of the day. Is Master Ultra?
Speaker 2:Instinct. I can go ahead and answer that one. So here's the thought of the day is Master of the Galaxy. I can go ahead and answer that one. So here's the thing. It's a theory only because it's only fully been addressed in Dragon Ball Heroes. In Dragon Ball Heroes, yes, because it's a big thing into it and there's a I like I don't want to jump too far ahead, but I like how you answered it it's not something to be answered in Heroes.
Speaker 3:They answered it. But see, in Heroes it's not a canon thing, even though Couch War Goku is not canon. But in Heroes they answered this question with the yes. But see, as you know, in main continuity, which the main continuity? Currently? We're getting more Because Sparks and no offense If y'all have not seen this Sparks debut trailer, go watch it. But in Sparks they showed him Having the Master of Ultra Instinct. They showed Ultra Eagle Vegeta. So that means we know where we're going to go next. We're going to go down the moral line. We're going to go down that next set of lines over on that side of things, which now details the concept of is it going to be the pain that adds Is Ultra Ego and Master Ultra Instinct? Is it going to be the pain in the ass? Is Ultra Ego and Master Ultra Instinct going to be the pain in the ass that a lot of people feel like it's going to be when it's going to be, like nope, it's strong as fuck, but then also, too, they can't stay in there long.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I just remember canonically they did actually answer that question, but that is with the granola, the survivor art granola specifically yeah, I was gonna say that because like so yeah, we're not gonna talk about it right now, but yeah that's what I'm saying like, uh, I want to say they kind of did, but we didn't get that for a year, so I'm trying to save it for that.
Speaker 3:No, no no, once again. Right, but see, here's the thing they kind of did, and listen to how we're saying it, because the reason being like, yes, they showed it, they kind of did, but it's not fully fleshed out to where it still raises more questions. Because they are at a point of, once again and this is just saying they're at a point where, with Frieza doing what the hell he did, there might be a way for them to master it, you know, and not be an issue, or it could still be that big-ass pain in the ass like Super Saiyan 3 is. So that's why I say I'm throwing this out here as a theory.
Speaker 1:But continue on. Alright, gotcha, we need to go ahead and get into the Goku black art While we still got time. I'm gonna try To make this as quick as possible, even though, let's be honest, there was a bunch of shit that had going on, because, honestly, I was thinking Like we would have less to say in the universe six arcs than we, uh, have here. But I'll do my best. So, essentially, um, in this universe where future trunks, um, future, my, I guess you could keep in Future of mine.
Speaker 2:I guess.
Speaker 1:Okay, I thought I heard something. Anyways, in this alternate timeline, fugitron is running and hiding from this mysterious Enemy, causing destruction All over the place, and he meets with Bulma Working on this experiment, got the time machine up so they can prepare enough fuel for a one-way trip to the past to make sure that, uh, this doesn't happen. But then again, I'm like this makes me think this can't be the same trunks from the cell saga, because I feel like if this is the same trunks from the cell saga and I'm already prepared for somebody say it probably is then they know that this doesn't change anything. Right, you're just going to a different universe. But if I wouldn't be so mad if it was an entirely different Trunks, but if it's like the very same, I'm like bro, you should know this right now. But anyways, they try to go back to the past but turns out that as they were preparing to leave, an explosion was made close to them, destroyed future Bulma's equipment. Uh, bulma sees something coming, trunks, gets the fuel and tells them To go before this mysterious being Grabs Bulma, kills her. And we come to find out. Like I'm trying to streamline it as fast as I can, we come to find out like I'm trying to streamline it as fast as I can we come to find out that that enemy was someone with Goku's face. So you're thinking, wait, goku, he's the enemy, but you know he was in different clothing and whatnot. So we're just trying to figure out what the fuck is going on here. Of what the fuck is going on here.
Speaker 1:Uh, come to find out that we have uh samatsu, who is a kaioshin, who's set to be the uh supreme kai in uh, what was it? Universe? 11, yeah, I think 11. Um, and then he has his uh mentor, kowasu. Now, k Kowasu was trying to teach Zamasu how to be a proper supreme guy and tell him about how they oversee all this shit.
Speaker 1:But the only thing Kowasu's teachings convinced Zamasu was that the humans well, mortals specifically, but for some reason he's just making it about the humans Well, mortals specifically, but for some reason he's just making it about the humans More than mortals. Okay, there's like a different Translates between the English dub and the English sub To where Essentially, they try to make it sound like, oh, the humans are the cause of everything, but at the same time, another translation, make it sound like, oh, the humans are the cause of everything, but at the same time um, another translation make it sound like uh, the zero mortal projects, where it's like okay, so are you taking out all the humans or all the mortals, because beings on other planets counts as mortals. So are you trying to wipe out everybody, or are you specifically hunting out the humans?
Speaker 2:I wouldn't be asking if the translation was in different contexts, that's actually that's the main thing into it is that that's one of those ones that you know I've talked about before the whole dub sub situation that a lot of times, when it comes to dub being more of a translation based on the original japanese writing versus an english translation, and it comes down to a lot of english translation not just english, but also um for a spanish translation and a couple others as well trying to put things onto a multiversal plane. A lot of times it's felt by a lot of uh, japanese producers, by a lot of companies, that it's too complicated for them to understand, type of thing. So they make it simple as a, as a human thing. However, with the original translation is mortals. He's not just not just humans, he's upset with all mortals in existence period, because that whole limited life makes you make dumb decisions, type of thing, because you want to live your best life per se, but you make the dumbest things that could have affected and ruined other people per se and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So it is only a translational thing and that's kind of a reasoning behind it, but it's supposed to just be mortals, the humans is just because they try to dumb it down, because the primary thing is when black attacks, he's mostly attacking Earth. He isn't seen attacking other planets. We know in the manga that he did stop at other planets Well, not stop at other planets. He was planning to go to other planets after he finished off Earth Well, finished off killing all the mortals on Earth and shit and then go to mortals in other planets because he was still upset with all of them. It was just the fact that he specifically started there first and it was going to kind of progress on. So it's only a, it's a translational issue and that's just it. But it's just supposed to be mortals my bad gotcha you good.
Speaker 1:So, anyways, after all that mom, once again I'm trying to speed it up as fast as I can. Uh, future trunk eventually make it to the main timeline, meets up with goku. Assume goku was goku black, but you got it all wrong. Uh, go future trunk trying to explain the situation and goku black makes his appearance into their earth. Um, goku and goku black have this exhibition match and, honestly, not gonna lie, I kind of like how goku black had this uh, black aura like, because I was always wondering if there was ever gonna be a character with like this black super saiyan orc. But that's just me. Um, they have this exhibition match, but uh, of course, they just had um, it didn't last very long.
Speaker 1:Um, then he got pretty much pulled back into the uh fucking rip that he was in and, funny enough, another callback to the cell saga once more, to where okay, in order to deal with um. To where, okay, in order to deal with um goku black. Um boma found the old time machine from the cell saga covered in moss and shit, so they decided to fix that up and go into this timeline to deal with this threat. Uh, but aside from that, yeah, like I said with um, zamasu is becoming more and more clear, even with kawasu, with um, when they were like having tea together and like he can tell from the way the tea was swirling in the cup that zamasu's uh mentalities getting more and more twisted and he was mainly um pissed off at the uh humans for uh disrupting the flow of time, almost like he was like acting like TVA oh, I gotta get rid of all you variants and shit. Like y'all fucking shit up the natural flow of things. So he just feels like, okay, I need to start with the humans at the very least.
Speaker 1:Y'all got anything y'all want to add on before Start off with the humans at the very least, um, y'all got anything y'all want to add on Before. Oh yeah, before we get into, when they go back, trunks does have a sparring match With Goku and Vegeta, just to show off that. Oh well, super Saiyan, that's so 1990's. Like well, super Saiyan, that's so 1990s. Like we're doing Super Saiyan 3, and Blooper Saiyan. Now what else? Y'all got anything y'all want to add on?
Speaker 2:I did add something briefly because you know we was obviously going to talk about this whole. Is this the real? What trucks is this? Per se? It became a whole thing of the blue hair and they even joked about it in the anime. They're like wasn't your hair purple? It's a little different. Everything seems a little different. Per se.
Speaker 2:Trunks didn't go back in time to change things.
Speaker 2:He knew it wasn't gonna happen. So that's the only thing they probably would have made canonical to where it would have been the same trance from the same timeline per se like would have been. There's still questions and debates into that and I know talos has got something onto that too, because like there's a whole theories into that, because it's like there seems to be some stuff that's changed and it's believed to be that maybe that Trunks was the one that was supposed to get killed in his timeline but it was stopped when they blew up Dr Gero's lab back in the Cell Saga and they killed that Cell so that Cell never grew up and to take a time machine to go back in time per se. So it was like there's speculation so much into all these different multiverse because then we even found out from beers that he's like yeah, with multiverses we have different universes that xeno created, but you delve into time travel and time travel creates cloning universes. So it's like it is multiverse, but they're addressed slightly differently. It's like you created a cloneverse.
Speaker 1:It's like string theory or something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's like you broke some shit you was never supposed to break. And then like yo, it wasn't us, he's the one who broke time and came back, type of thing. He's like, yeah, you did something you was never supposed to do by doing something. By doing that, you actually fucked up a lot of other shit. And it was like, yeah, you should have left shit alone, but you fucked it up.
Speaker 2:And it was pretty much that moment of understanding that it's like it's your fault that beers woke up early, type of thing. It's your fault that this shit happened and it created a different timeline. So it makes that point of understanding that the time that Trunks timeline based on how beers kind of explained it per se Trunks' timeline is the actual, supposed to be canonical timeline and the timeline that we're following is supposedly wrong and it's his fault for that shit happening. And it's like so then that's when it comes to that whole play of like, damn, so how is all this supposed to work out? Now there's a whole bunch of extra theories into that. Where it's like, so super is the wrong timeline, that was never supposed to happen, he fucks shit up and now we're following things differently. So this is not the main timeline. This is something completely different. This is a whole another thing and it's like oh god, no, it's a lot to dive into. There's a hell of a lot to dive into. I'm sorry, my brain cannot handle too much information because I will ramble. I'm not going to do that. But I also like how we did introduce, as far as the time ring, the understanding is like if you do wind up breaking time because the only people who are allowed to break time and have very specific rules in how they do so are the angels where wiz went back and rewind time three seconds because he was able to say he could rewind time, he could fix this without creating a branch. It's only just because he was able to fix it. I guess within like a certain time period or something like that was based on he was still able to follow the rules and still do it. So it was like OK, so we can make that happen without causing a branch out. But because so much time had passed or something like that and I have to say something like that because again it's so vague, because again it's so vague, the explanation was never really given a canonical explanation like that because so much time passed when trump went way back in time to try to fix things. That's what caused a branch off, that's what caused like so much issue into it, so it's like it's so much that dies into it.
Speaker 2:But the time ring allows a person to be able to exist in a separate timeline without causing a disruption, and so it's like that time ring wants to become one of the most crucial points into it because of the fact that, like when they got sucked when Black got sucked back in Because I don't think we had yeah, it was before they went back, sucked back in because I don't think we had yeah, it was before they went back.
Speaker 2:So, um, because right before black got sucked back into the other timeline you know his timeline with the time ring had um broke.
Speaker 2:He created a portal that was like automatically hey, your portal here is broken, you can't come here, no more type of thing and wound up sucking him back, and so, in that aspect regard, it creates a whole different thing about how timelines work and the fact that, technically, you're not allowed to be able to exist in another timeline and having a time ring allows there to be a way that you can also do it without creating another branch, because the ring acknowledges that you don't exist in this timeline.
Speaker 2:So anything that you do does not properly affect it per se, while also addressing a time limit that you're able to be in that timeline, that separate branch as well too per se, or go back in time and stuff as well too. So there's a bunch of extra rules that's placed onto that ring that kind of makes a difference as well. So it's like so many theories into it, but it was one of those ones. That's like so many theories into it, but it was one of those ones. It's like, like you had said, once you get introduced to multiverse theory, it's like okay, now there are rules into multiverse theory. If you start making rules into multiverse theory, things get hella complicated.
Speaker 1:And it's like oh.
Speaker 2:God, I don't know too much about this. It's too much to dive into. There's so many reddits, quora's boards, so much fandom has gone ballistic onto it because there's no canonical explanation. So if you have fun with it, you have fun with it. If not, I don't know. Bro, it's a hell of a lot. But I also will say that I did like as well that.
Speaker 2:You know he wanted to test them because he didn't go back to change things. He wanted to go back to request their help. He says I'm not here to try to fix your timeline like I did before. I know that doesn't work anymore. So what I need you is y'all to come to me, come with me and help me fix my shit, because I can't do this. I need your help. And so that was like the little difference that came into that, and beers and whiz were heavily, heavily fucking against it. They're like hell, no, don't you dare. If you do, you break your rules and it's gonna cause a problem, and it was like a whole big thing into that. So so much controversy, but it's still one of those ones. Like him, requesting help still kind of makes a whole nother thing of a possibility. It is the same trunks, but still doesn't fully explain the whole blue hair situation. That's one of those ones that's like this seems different. That's all I got.
Speaker 1:All right, okay, before they go back into universe 10, excuse me, I said universe 11 earlier, but I meant universe 10. Before they go into that universe, goku meets up with Zeno and essentially was given this button to where uh zeno can either show up to where goku is or goku can go to him. Um, and then when they do go in back into uh universe 10 to try to deal with goku black, one of the funniest lines and the english dub was ever said, and then people was pretty much memeing off that for a while it's when these like cops was trying to shoot Goku, even though it's not Goku Black, and then Future Trunks was like hold it, this man isn't black. I'm like bro. I know what you meant, but I didn't like the way you said it. This man isn't black. I'm like bro. I know what you meant, but I didn't like the way you said it.
Speaker 2:Why can't it be Goku black, though? I just don't understand. Why couldn't it be Goku white? You know Goku, not Asian, just saying Anyway. Sorry, continue.
Speaker 1:You know goku, not asian, just saying anyway sorry, continue, and I know I'm kind of jumping a little bit. But another weird thing that they did was when that one moment where goku vegeta was, I guess they were like kind of uh, strategizing because you know, they had to meet up with the people, with the survivors, before they fight goku black and all that. And then, um, they were talking about how, oh, goku never kissed chichi and I'm like, bro, you have two kids with her and you never kissed her. That that just felt like one of those um tmi moments where I'm like, bro, uh, you could, we could have went our whole lives not knowing that you never kissed Titi. Well, it's weird that you don't, but I'd rather not know that you never kissed her than for you to just tell me that. I'm like, is he your wife? Man?
Speaker 2:What the fuck? It was a comedy attempt by Toyotaro and Toriyama that wound up backfiring.
Speaker 3:It didn't even backfire. Folks took it the wrong way Because folks still act like Goku and should know things, but forget hey. Goku is a saint. However, he got dropped on his head. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like a lot of people Took it to the concept of Like yo Excuse me, he still don't know everything of earth's concepts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like this man does not know everything of earth's concepts and once again I'm sorry for interjecting, but once again, like I've been saying throughout the whole dragon ball, uh, extreme review to where bro like this kid, like yeah, he been fighting, winning tournaments and whatnot, but none of these adults around him never stopped to think oh well, I know you be training, you like training, you like fighting, but you need to learn things other than punching and kicking people. You need to actually go to school and learn reading, writing, arithmetic and all that other shit exactly yeah but nah he didn't have anybody like that around uh saying that he's like nah
Speaker 3:just enter this tournament win the money exactly in super was the first time you ever see goku actually have a job yeah, where he's farming a field and stuff like goku didn't have a job. What was he doing? Everyday Training. That man got up, lived, breathed, ate, trained.
Speaker 1:Actually, I want to say His job before becoming a farmer Was more like well, it really started with the Cell saga to where, okay, goku, gohan and the gang, pretty much Well, I don't really Think they got paid for it, but essentially every time Hercule took the credit for Beating this big bad, much, uh, well, I don't think I don't really think he asked they got paid for it, but essentially every time hercule uh took the credit for beating this big bad, uh, pretty much like they did in the beginning of the very first episode, dragon ball super, to where hercule paid off goku for dealing with majin buu. So I was like, okay, as long as you let me take the credit for you, I'll pay you off. So he's like keep on the hush, hush. And I was like, okay, cool, so that was his job, just pretty much, defeat whatever big bad shows up and let hercules take the credit for you, get paid for it that boy and that's and like, like legit.
Speaker 3:But that's. That's the reason why I say, like a lot of people, that I I've seen this on another podcast. I got so real irritated with that like yo, hey, why the hell? Are y'all literally acting like Goku's supposed to know some shit. Goku is not. Goku is not that character. Goku is relatively not. He does not know human fucking customs.
Speaker 1:Chi-Chi did not teach him.
Speaker 3:Chi-Chi's taught him enough, but Chi-Chi has not taught him everything as far as human customs Go up.
Speaker 1:But Chi Chi has not taught him everything as far as human customs go, and that's why I would say, that's why she was so hard on Gohan with his studies, because he she doesn't want Gohan to be like kind of brainless, like her husband is okay, you need a better sense of education than your father. Not only that, but I'm like I'm still mad that. Well, I can't be too mad. It's not like I'm going to make a whole crusade out of it, but the fact of the matter is there's a lot of people who claim to like Dragon Ball Z, dragon Ball Super, but they didn't even watch Dragon Ball. It would have explained it perfectly if y'all just watched Dragon Ball.
Speaker 3:That part. So yeah, but as far as it goes back here, it's portion of Super. I'm going to tell y'all now, before we move on. And Pogatsu, I'm going to let you know now. That is the same Trunks, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, man, now I'm mad.
Speaker 3:That is the thing, the reason being that, even though his hair color changed and everything else, once again this was stuff that was just like hey yo, okay, we didn't want to draw him the same. We were not drawing him the same, because this is a whole nother area. We're not drawing him the same no hold on.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but I just gotta point out where, okay, they did the very same trunks like, first of all him, met him with time travel, like, okay, he may have used it for a different reason, okay, I'll excuse that. But then we get to the ending. I know we're jumping, but we're kind of pressed on time. Now, uh, we get to the ending, to where, okay, once everything is resolved, okay, what about trunks and my water gun? What they gonna do? It's like, all right, tell you what. We'll drop you off in this different universe where, okay, this is a universe where the whole thing with goku black never happened, but it's like, okay, I guess that's a good ending for them, except for the fact that they're pretty much Living in a universe where there's a possibility that they'll run into themselves In that universe.
Speaker 3:To a degree.
Speaker 2:Pretty much.
Speaker 3:The way they did it. They're not Relatively running into themselves like that, because in the universe that they dropped them off into, hey, yeah, goku Black, okay, goku Black and them didn't exist, but they basically had to defeat somebody else, which is why, when you look at it, they got dropped off into a universe very similar to the one that they left. Okay, so it was still a timeline of, oh, this is fucked up, this is fucked up, this is bad, this is, you know, everything still kind of happened relatively, but you, you, you haven't left too much, so it's, it's, everything is still relatively all right.
Speaker 1:All Well, just to keep it moving eventually.
Speaker 2:I wanted to ask a question. So since Goku doesn't have knowledge, so Goku has no idea what consent means.
Speaker 3:No, he doesn't.
Speaker 2:Alright.
Speaker 3:If you want to go that far into it. Yeah, Goku doesn't know what consent means. But, then again before y'all start yeah, I'm not going to go deep into it if Kai wants to finish this. But yes, goku doesn't know what Kensei means.
Speaker 1:So, in other words, Chi-Chi pretty much had to like whenever she's in the moods. He was like okay, Goku, why do y'all think?
Speaker 3:would Team 4 Star do it the way they do it? That's yeah. It's like, you know, when she told Krillin Krillin, hey Gohan, hey Gohan, we're going to Kami's house. What? We're going to Kami's house? Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:Oh, bro, the the fact that team Four star I still remember how Team four star themselves was Like yeah, we're sorry y'all. We pretty much ruined Dragon Ball for people.
Speaker 2:Look the way Goku Literally explained to Krillin. He's like it's like I can only go so much, I only have so much energy. It's like I just I can't. It's like would you want have so much energy? It's like I just I can't. It's like would you want me to tap in? Like you know? You say Cruella's like, if you ever want me to, like you know, tap in and stuff, oh no.
Speaker 1:But if you had a wig, I'm like it still wouldn't work because, like bro, is like half your height.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I just had to mention that because I knew it was going to be funny it's hilarious, but yeah, it's wholeheartedly true.
Speaker 3:He doesn't know like.
Speaker 2:All he knows is fighting, like that's it it reminds me of that one little meme before where dude was like who was it? I can't not remember who it was, but it was like some YouTuber had made like a video. It was like oh, no, no, no, can't not remember who it was, but it was like some youtuber and made like a video. It was like oh, oh, no, no, no. I think I didn't remember it was a viva la dirt league. They wanted to get it and it was like hey, he's like. Yeah, he said man. He said so my girlfriend, like she has these kids and stuff and she just kind of does this. And no, no, not girlfriend. He said my roommate. He was like, yeah, my roommate, and you know she has her kids and stuff.
Speaker 2:And it was like they went through the whole explanation. It's like so did you get invited to a party where you had to go and you gave her a kiss. And so I was like yeah, yeah, it was a pretty interesting party. And she invited my family and our family too. And it's like so you're married. And he was completely angry, like wait, what he was like, completely angry. Like wait, what he's like. Let me ask you why y'all together. She just randomly come home one day with like children who just started growing up and he just started like calling you daddy, and he's like, yeah, I never understood why they did that.
Speaker 2:Because they're your kids. They're your kids.
Speaker 3:He was like, oh my god, I'm sorry, it's funny, but yeah like in Jet Black, because I know we're being pressed on time, I'm going to point this part out. I love how the fact that even in that alternate timeline, the button still worked. I was like I'm going to tell you now that button to me as worked. I was like I'm going to tell you now that button to me as a writer. I was like, nope, that button shouldn't work. You didn't get a button from this timeline, therefore that shouldn't work.
Speaker 2:But the fact that it worked, I was like it's the same, even though it's obviously a different Xeno from a different timeline per se, it's still the Xeno button he made it to call his being, his presence there. It was like Nice.
Speaker 3:That's why I was like that shit shouldn't have worked. I don't know how nobody else felt, but I was like that shit shouldn't have worked, that shit not have worked, but okay, works. I don't nobody know how nobody else felt, but I was like that shit shouldn't work, that should not have worked, but okay uh, uh, look, I was checking it.
Speaker 2:Um, I think it like as a d, because you're speaking even as a dm into that aspect that you were just like nah, like if a player just like hey, so I have this random item that I was given a while back and I just want to know if I could just randomly use it as a DM.
Speaker 3:No, no, Nope, no, that don't work, that does not work. What you mean? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That don't work like that.
Speaker 2:Imagine every DM at that point is like what the fuck oh?
Speaker 3:oh no, like, Like so serious, right, okay. So so here's the thing, even with that, and I bring it back like legit, like I said, because to me it shouldn't have worked it relatively, as a person who knows it shouldn't have worked within that timeline, right, yeah. But as a DM, yeah, we do get, get those things and we get those points of where people want to have you know stuff to use and whatnot. I'm like, nah, that don't work here. That just not. That's not how that works, that's not, that's definitely not how that works. Or, hey, nah, it'll probably work, but it may not have the same effects that you might think, and so that's why I say, when I Looked at that, like most definitely, I was like yo, that shouldn't work. But not only that. Before we even close, I want to make a Very nice highlight the fact that they brought back fucking fusions In this port, right?
Speaker 3:True Like they brought back fusions and for the simple fact of it. That's why I knew that everything was going to start being canon Like don't get me wrong, everybody that was on 4chan and Reddit. They had their doubts but they were like okay, here's the theory of what's fixing to happen. We're getting the fusions back, we're getting Gogeta, we're getting Vegito, we're basically fixing to have Super Saiyan 4. It's going to happen, but they're going to integrate them slowly. And that's what I was looking at and which is basically what the hell happened. This was the beginning of it.
Speaker 3:They integrated everything it's true, it's true also, I'm going to let y'all have it. I'm going to shut up. It's true. It's true Also. Okay, also, i'ma let y'all have it. I'ma shut up Also. Right, y'all remember them pictures Of Super Saiyan 5 Y'all remember, oh yeah. Y'all remember them pictures Of Super Saiyan 5? Do y'all remember the color? The white, yeah, yeah, y'all remember it being white and stuff, right? Alright, i'ma tell y'all a little secret, right? The ones I remember were gray, with the Super Saiyan 3 hair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do, that's right.
Speaker 3:So now, right, but look at Ultra Instinct. Look at Ultra Instinct. What's his hair color? Silverish gray. Alright, man, that should tell folks right now that artists do that. Creators do pay attention to them. They may not pay attention in the way you think, but they pay attention.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's like I've been saying for a while now um, the Dragon Ball franchise is one of those stories that writes itself to, where you can have fans pretty much write the story for you like like I said with Dragon Ball Kakumei, when I said with Dragon Ball Kakumei. When I said with Dragon Ball Kakumei, even though that was fan made, it was so convincing it might as well be an art.
Speaker 3:So serious. So serious Because there's a fan, there's a fan section going around that I feel like is about to happen, where the other worlds come back, other worlds that were destroyed Come back and Frieza is over there as a god of destruction and Goku gets captured in a different universe and basically folks gotta go in there and get him out. And when he comes out of said different universe, that motherfucker's a beast on a whole nother level. That just shouldn't be seen Like. When I say breathing in space where it was like okay, that was his weakness. Nah, this man standing here in space looking at all those original uh beings like yeah, y'all thought shit was sweet. I'm back. Like yeah, that now that one gets Caranage, I Fuck it. Dragon Ball Z is officially Pure underrated. Like that motherfucker will stand above all Cause that one was very much so Dope. But I digress, go ahead, y'all.
Speaker 1:Alright. Well, pretty much like you said, I was just gonna talk about how Future Zamasu shows up beside goku black. They're doing this whole tag team thing because goku and vegeta uh fusions get involved and shit. But the difference is that with mortals, they they changed the rule. Well, it's not even that they changed the rules, it's more like they didn't fully explain it in the modern booze saga, so it's more like it can't really be a retcon. It's more like, okay, they explained it more in this arc to where, okay, mortals is temporary for them to have the batara earrings on to do fusions, but with guys like the kaioshin even though, yeah, um, they did it with uh, kabito kai and gt I believe it was, but keep in mind, gt is not considered canon. So in this one it's the first time that two guys fuse with the Potara and they're supposed to be like fused forever and shit.
Speaker 2:Kibito Kai was Buu Saga.
Speaker 1:Because it was Shin Was.
Speaker 2:Buu Saga. Yeah, when Shin and Kibito wound up fusing together because it happened with the old Kai oh okay.
Speaker 3:Also too, GT to wind up fusing together because it happened with the old Kai. Oh, okay, I thought it was like GT or 2K. Yes, also 2. Gt is canon, folks, let's not forget. Gt is officially canon. That's why Super Saiyan 4 is canon, but GT is officially canon. Also 2, and I'm going to piggyback off of what Jet Black was saying it's permanent For those of godhood and everything else. However, they can defuse, it takes longer Because, as we saw, they were defused. They were defused. So it's like, yeah, they can fuse, but it takes longer for them to Unfuse. They were defused, so it's like, yeah, they can fuse, but it takes longer for them to Unfuse. Hmm, okay, yeah, that's now a thing. Like that's now A thing.
Speaker 1:Um other than that. The only thing I really wanted to say was how Pretty much Trunks used a spirit bomb and kind of infused into his sword to beat this few zamasu, uh, who was like mutating and shit. And then when um zamasu was supposedly defeated with that slash, oh, he started, became one with the world and shit, and it was. It seemed so bad that they even tried to use the makaba on on zamasu, which I thought was a kind of cool um throwback. But uh, goku forgot the little seal that made makaba technique perfect. So I'm like, okay, that's kind of on brand for goku, but uh, that would have been great if that actually worked, um, but then again we wouldn't have much of a story anyways if that did work. But I get it.
Speaker 1:But it's just more like you know, you know um other than that. Um, essentially, you know, I had to show up pretty much with a little button like alright, y'all, I see that y'all fucked up, so I'll clean this up. Alright, we'll seal it. Um, we'll make sure Zamasu is never going to be a problem again, or at least this version of zamasu, because you know, keep in mind with um multiverse theories that might zamasu might exist in other universes, but at least as far as like in this universe yeah, no, and technically there was three, because there was three of them.
Speaker 2:there was one for the universe that we're following, which we've established is not supposed to be the correct universe anyway, and Beerus wiped him out. And then there was another one where, when Beerus did not wipe him out because he didn't know about it yet, and then he hopped to a different timeline and then wound up going to that Zamasamasu, and then that zamasu took over goku's body and became black and three zamasus all together.
Speaker 1:there was three separate ones I kind of feel bad for everybody that uh was in that universe, because that kind of implies that everyone in there, like including um bowman, all uh yajirobe and all the other uh random people, all that uh they pretty much get erased out of existence where like it's not just like they're just dead, nah, they just got obliviated.
Speaker 2:I'm like fuck yeah, there was no choice, because masu fused into the universe itself.
Speaker 1:Um, which was a weird thing to say like that, kaioshin even had the ability of doing something like that, but still oh, like one of those things where the kaioshin was like dabbling in dark arts and it was like oh well, apparently you can do that, but because you know they just normally don't apparently.
Speaker 1:I mean, I know that's not the real uh explanation, but can you imagine if that's just the thing, it's like there's a dark Side to this shit where, oh well, we can Do it, but you know, nobody Is evil enough to actually try that, you know per se, yeah, and Zamasu, is that evil Kai to be able To do that?
Speaker 2:because, as far as we know, kai Is where all the embodiments of good, the people who embody destruction, is the god Of destruction. So if there was going to be anyone evil, it's expected to be the god of destruction. So it's like Akai doing it. You're like, oh, that's a little different per se. I will say the only couple things I wanted to highlight, and we might go just two minutes over.
Speaker 1:Can I just say this real quick to where I like, how Zamasu's whole thing was all about justice. But you didn't want justice, you just wanted domination.
Speaker 2:Yep, it was superiority. It was a superiority complex is the biggest issue into that? Believing that I'm above all and I should be able to choose everyone's rights, which his master was trying to teach him? No, they have the freedom to make those mistakes, because those mistakes make them.
Speaker 1:He had a low key argument yeah, and it's know. They have the freedom to make those mistakes, because those mistakes make them. It just affects the future timeline.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's like well, those mistakes affect people down the line. This is true, but that's how they learn, that's how things grow. One person does make a mistake. It affects everyone, but everyone can grow from it and then help their future generation to continue A continual generation of involvement. Mawson didn't understand that, because he himself is immortal, so if he makes a mistake it sticks with him forever.
Speaker 1:But also, like I said plenty of times before, to where Zamasu is my favorite example of a negative change arc in character arcs to where.
Speaker 1:Zamasu just got worse and worse. There was no real redemption for him to a point where he had to get obliviate or sealed away in order for his um influence to not seep into other universes and shit. So it's like I don't feel bad for him, but it's just kind of powerful to how it was this god to where it's like he was. He was good up until he started having like this whole I want I did say a loki art book. It kind of felt like what happened with aaron jaeger, to where he kind of saw arman's book and while arman was looking at things one way, the way that you would think people would look at it, aaron jaeger took it in a different way to where. I'm like, yes, I want this, but uh, in a way that's like whoa, hold on buddy. Like you know what I mean. So it was kind of one of those things where, like, uh, kawasu uh was trying to tell him uh about how things work around the universe and while he saw it one way, zalmas saw it another way.
Speaker 2:True, but a couple things I wanted to point out really quick is like two. I'm going to just stick with these two big things With the fight, because it was also very funny that they were losing and decided to hop back to their universe, refresh and then come back, type of thing. Okay, we lost, we had to come back. We're not ready. That was way more powerful than we thought it was.
Speaker 1:That one part when Mai thought she had the right idea to shoot Goku black in the head with a gun.
Speaker 2:At this point he's literally got a key into that. That's not going to work. But she was just like he's still in the human body, like he's still in the human body, he's still in the mortal body, not no more. That shit transformed um and I don't have enough time to really talk about the whole rose situation, because I did talk with you about it, jb, before, in a previous podcast, but oh yeah, when vegeta was, yeah, vegeta was beating up um goku black and was saying, like, just because you have that idiot's body doesn't mean you know how to use it.
Speaker 1:And I was like, oh right, you know what you're right, like it's more, too than just hijacking his body. I gotta like, fucking like, learn how it works. So it's like, oh, anger. Anger is what fuels this body. Okay, I gotcha. So what if I do this? And then I was like I need to get mad at my. I gotta get mad at you, I'm mad at myself, I'm mad at everybody. And then there you go, super Saiyan Rose. And I was like, oh well, you know, let's see it's pinkish. And I was like y'all decided to call yourself Super Saiyan Blue. Super Saiyan Pink doesn't really ring a bell, but you know what does, rose?
Speaker 2:I sat here and I'm like did Rick Ross show that little one at first? And now those in here like when did Rick Ross show the fuck up this Super Saiyan Rose? Nah, bro, you doing the most, what the fuck. But it's fun fact. It's also a play on food. Rose is the name of the wine. If you look at it, it's not rose, but rose has the apostrophe onto it, so it's actually another play on food. It was on purpose that way, but still, um no, I was also going to say about the whole fan comic that wound up circling years back in the fact, because when we get introduced to super saiyan rose, it winds up being like after zamasu goes, gets sucked back to the timeline he says he needs to power himself up.
Speaker 2:Then when they go back to, when they go meet him, then he shows, oh yeah, I got a new form. And then, like boom, pops up Rose. And he's like yeah, I've discovered how to do this. But the fan theory that was like oh, he wound up before the time ring finished shattering. He wound up time hopping one other time into a different timeline, hopped into the gt universe, fought against super saiyan 4 goku and in that fight he wound up. Unlocking rose came back to, came back to the timeline and then was prepared for them when they came back to fight them, type of shit. Like it's a whole little fan theory, whole little fan um made thing onto it, but it was really really well written like. The art style is fantastic. You would damn near think it's literally a canonical manga based on how the art style and the panels were put together. They did whoever I can't remember who made it, but did a fantastic fucking job onto it.
Speaker 2:But no, two biggest things I want to highlight is the fact that one with trunks, how we got an early understanding of half-saiyans and god ki, or like advancement of ki for them, and the fact that they it. Things are play out very differently. So we understand half-saiyans can go super saiyan, super saiyan too, as far as the normal saiyan, how normal saiyans go. But because they're half-saiyans they're able to tap into a different power that's different from full-blooded Saiyans that Goku and Vegeta are able to, whereas with Trunks he can't go Super Saiyan God, even with being introduced to Gaikey, because he was introduced with Gaikey from being around Goku and being around Vegeta, but also being around Zamasu. But amidst that he unlocked his own version of his own power which is pretty much like his super saiyan form, but with a blue god key around him. So he doesn't go super saiyan god and so that becomes a whole speculation that half saiyans can't go super saiyan god but they can still advance their god god key in themselves to be able to advance further. Which kind of speculates something more and kind of a jump onto is With Beast Gohan and why it is that Beast Gohan Is damn near on par With Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego, but it's something vastly different In it's own thing. So, yeah, there's a whole speculation now as far as about Half Saiyans and how they react to God Ki Very differently and it's a possibility that they can't go super saiyan god and how things may go into that aspect. Um, so that advancement was something that I know was a really big thing to highlight onto and it was like it was supposed to be more lore that went into it and hopefully, as things if we do get a a chance to go further into with dragon ball super, because we're still not entirely sure if the outro is still willing to still push forward um, so we're still going to see how things go into that, but there's still hope that if it does, we can get more of an explanation, maybe more kind of lore building into that outside of just Dragon Ball Heroes.
Speaker 2:The other thing is it's the first time that anger does not give someone a power boost. When Goku found out that Zamasu as soon as Zamasu took over his body in that universe and killed his entire family there, right off the bat Goku got angry. But it didn't necessarily give him a power boost because he might. We saw this happen before. Super, before the. We even got super saiyan god.
Speaker 2:When go, when vegeta wound up getting angry, he wound up getting a boost in power, his amidst frustration that boma was just slapped by dearest and was able to at least stagger him a little bit, obviously not really do much in damage, but still to a point of like okay, you actually staggered me. I didn't expect some shit like that to happen type of thing, and it was like that moment. But with Goku that didn't happen in the anime, but the shit did happen in the fucking manga. Just wanted to make sure, if y'all anime watchers know this, y'all were ripped off, y'all were cheated In the manga. Goku did get a fucking power boost out of that anger and he was whooping Zamasu's ass and there was a reason that Zamasu was like no, fuck this, we're going to have to fuse. He was whooping Black's ass, but in the anime that didn't really happen.
Speaker 1:I mean like a five piece combo in and then got his ass beat right after yeah, it's almost like, yeah, I got a little angry, but no, I still got humbled yeah, and it was like it was like nothing, because it was like the anime like you really respect.
Speaker 2:You're like oh, he explains it, oh shit, gogu's about. Like. I remember watching reaction videos, people was like Goku's finna snap. Oh he's finna get an extra power boost. We're finna see something stronger than blue, type shit. Or he's finna go blue Kaioken. He's finna get like really pissed and type shit. And it's just no, it didn, the man didn't, but in the manga he did and it was like yo, what the fuck like, how would you get ripped off like this?
Speaker 1:I mean, they did again with on trump's. When he got mad, um did the whole super saiyan rage thing and I thought it was kind of hype too. But then you, as soon as, like, got into on the swing, the thing is like nope, uh, he got knocked down and like there was this whole sequence where, like I kind of like the choreography in this one sequence where it was like Goku, vegeta, I think, and then Vegeta, goku, black, zamasu, all of them was just fighting each other. It was like it just felt like the fight was all over the place. Trunks tried to fly in, but he got stopped by Zamasu and all that. So I kind of like the Zamasu Are here and there, but I kind of felt like If they tweaked it differently In some areas, this would have been even better. But it's like Y'all had something really good here, but in some areas, like uh, uh, y'all kind of really good here, but In some areas Like uh, uh, y'all kind of fucked it up A little bit.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's nothing perfect, so everything has it like.
Speaker 2:Honestly, some people Feel about Zamasu arc, but some people feel about I mean I'll give you like a, b plus At least yeah because some people feel the same way how they feel about the Chimera Ant arc In Hunter x Hunter, because there's people who absolutely hate the Chimera Ant arc and there are people that actually hate the Zamasu arc. It started off like it was going to do something and it just went to straight up shit. I was like I don't think it went to straight up shit. Everything can improve.
Speaker 1:It depends on how you look at it. So it's like, thematically, I'm like okay, I'm kind of digging it. But in execution I'm like okay, there was some flaws here and there, some cracks, and you know, like I guess I wasn't expecting to be perfect, but, um, at the very least, like I will say, with drag malls, super, um, broly, I'm like, look, you can say that wasn't a perfect movie if you want to, but if you ask me, it's hard to hate that movie.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you this right now I can't hate nothing on Super Bowl, so we'll talk about that one next time, but with that being said, unless, talos, you got anything you want to add on, I guess we'll just go ahead and close it off.
Speaker 1:No, no good, Most definitely, alright. Well, that will conclude part two of the Dragon Ball Super Extreme review. Wait, hold on. Did you have something? You had something, nope, okay. Okay, my bad, I thought you were going to say something.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the next part we're going to be doing the universe Survival arts, where essentially it's the build up into the tournament of power, and then we're going to talk about the tournament of power, if we can manage To keep that within one part, uh. And then after that we're going to talk about the Dragon Ball Super Broly Movie. We might go, um, you know, like take a few steps back and talk about all the movies if we want, if y'all want to. Um, personally, I'd say I can like knock out at least half of them real quick, um, but as far as Dragon Ball Super, we're doing Broly. And then I want to say we'll say superhero for the last part. You know, because you know manga wise, I guess you could say superhero, take to a place after Dragon Ball Super Broly and the Boral Arc and the Grim Reaper Arc, but we'll get there. So part 3 is going to be tournament of power, but in the meantime we're going to go ahead and go into intermission now.
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