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My Neighbor Totoro & Spirited Away: Simple Living vs Hustle Culture
What does it mean to find comfort in simplicity, and how does a film capture the essence of childhood imagination? On the ZONE Podcast, join me, Jet Black Xtreme, and my guest Sebby Phantom, as we uncover the magic behind Studio Ghibli's beloved masterpieces. We begin our exploration with "My Neighbor Totoro," a film that charms with its gentle storytelling and vibrant visuals. Through our personal reflections, we ponder the film's timeless appeal and its role as a quintessential Miyazaki work, perfect for a lazy summer afternoon. Discover how Totoro has become a symbol of innocence and healing, offering viewers a cozy retreat into a world where imagination reigns supreme.
Switching our focus to the intricate world of "Spirited Away," we dissect the layers of this complex narrative highlighting the film's enchanting characters and rich themes. From the enigmatic Yubaba to No-Face, we discuss how these figures challenge and shape Chihiro's journey towards independence and resilience. Our conversation delves into the film's allegorical elements, such as consumerism and corporate greed, while drawing parallels with real-world social dynamics. This episode promises a blend of insightful interpretations and nerdy enthusiasm, inviting listeners to connect with these stories and reflect on the nuances of friendship, age, and the human experience.
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Welcome back to the Zone Podcast, the show where we like to talk about classic anime movies. I'm Jeff Blackestream and today's topic is a double feature. We're going to be doing my Neighbor Totoro and Spirited Away, because I'm in a Miyazaki Studio Ghibli mood and joining me for this is Sebi Phantom, so let's just go ahead and zone in on it now. I'm going to start it off with my Neighbor Totoro because at first, when I just got through watching the movie once again for the first time in a while, I thought it was a pretty simple story, like no real stakes and whatnot. But it was a simple story that was likable, you know, check this out and it was a children's movie.
Speaker 1:That was this profound exploration of themes like imagination, the healing nature of family, deep connection between humans and nature. And it was about these two girls, sasuke and Mei, who moved to the countryside with their father while their mother was hospitalized in a hospital that's close by their new place. And While they're trying to adjust to the new place, the sisters encounter these mysterious, magical creatures in the forest, including this gentle giant, totoro, who is serving as one of the mascots for Studio Ghibli. Because when you see the title crawl and all that, uh, the title card, and you see Totoro and you see, uh, like a bird and a mouse, but we'll explain those two later, but Totoro's the big one. Um, looking like a big Toadstrow, is the big one.
Speaker 2:Looking like a big.
Speaker 1:How would you describe Toadstrow?
Speaker 2:It's like he's a giant Great cat bunny thing yeah.
Speaker 1:It's hard, but anyways it's him. And I also like the design for the cat bus, you know, with the multiple legs and whatnot, and for the most part it was just sasuke and may um palling around with totoro and all the different creatures there, like, once again, no real stakes, um, it would just felt like a light-hearted film that you could just probably put in the background and you just look back and I'm like you know what. It's a decent movie, just like it. Like the visual side of it all was beautiful, of course, and the music, once again, yeah, good. And I guess you can say it's one of those movies where I probably, if I had kids, I'd probably like put them on my neighbor's toilet, like when they're like. But if I were to rate it I would say a four Because once again it was like decent film, but Not a whole lot of take away from me, like, especially Now that I'm an adult I'm like I'm a little more Complex than that, but yeah.
Speaker 2:No, I definitely have to agree with you there. I gave it for me a 6 out of 10. I definitely get where they were going. You know it's these two girls. Like you said, they move to the countryside to be near their mother, and it allows them to become better. It allows them to embark in their innocence While something sickly is happening on the reality side. But this allows them to be in their imagination. So I definitely agree with you, jb.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, not to discount my never told you, like, like I kept saying it was a decent film. It just for me it was more like a simple film that you could just like. Let's say, for instance, it's one of those films where it's a weird vibe. It's's like Imagine. It's like Mid summer, you got nothing to do. You could probably put this on in the middle of the day While you're like doing your chores, like folding your clothes and whatnot. Yeah, like your chores and whatnot. And he's just watching the background. But of course you can still watch it and still enjoy it. But I'm just saying A cozy film, that's what I'm going for a cozy film.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is the classic miyazaki film. I mean, when you think of hayo miyazaki, you think of my neighbor totoro.
Speaker 1:So at least, for me at least, I feel that now I know that was like pretty quick, but yeah, that's pretty much just like the movie itself. My review on it's just gonna be pretty simple. So with that pretty much out the way, let's just go ahead and talk about Spirited Away, the real meat and potatoes of this double feature. Now, this was a almost 20 year time scale between my narrow totoro and spirit away. But with this one I'm like this was the one, this was the one that got me into miyazaki films. I know seven.
Speaker 1:Your favorite is house movement castle, but mine is always going to be spirit away. It's like it's the first film I saw of miyazaki, but it's also the main ones where it was like okay, it has stakes. It also had all these different themes and, not gonna lie, yubaba kind of scared the shit out of me. Um, no-math, I mean No-Face, excuse me, no, his name's No-Face, um, no-face. Uh, he was kind of scary when he was like Rampage and whatnot, but not that scary to me. Uh, it honestly, I just thought he was just more creepy than scary.
Speaker 1:But yubaba, when she gets mad, and all that because she got that thing. Same thing going on with the red queen, from alice in wonderland to where it's like the big bulbous head, and I'm just like listen, lady, like can you like keep your distance please? I'm like I'm having a bad. It's hard enough that I'm trying to register your. I'm not trying to be mean, but god damn like just give me three feet at all times.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, the Yababa scared me. I'm going to say that I'm fairly new to Spirited Away only because I watched it recently within the five years, so it's not one of the movies where I'm like watching it every single. You know mine, I'm a house girl anyway. Um, I just thought that this movie itself was artistically so good. Um, to me it even. It inspired almost Lilo and Stitch. It inspired Lilo and Stitch you know what.
Speaker 1:I was kind of thinking of that when I was watching this. Like, why am I thinking of Lilo and Stitch while I'm watching this?
Speaker 2:That is because the main voice actor in the English is Davy Chase. I think is what she is and if I remember correctly she was lilo that what it was like, and that's another thing.
Speaker 1:Um, to hero, like, okay, I, I want to like to hero, but in some areas she kind of annoyed me, like, and sometimes like she would just be yelling, uh, even though the person that she's talking to is like not even that far away, and I'm just sitting here like why are you yelling?
Speaker 2:no lie, I do that in my day-to-day. But she's actually inspired by an actual japanese girl that miyazaki drew. Um, yeah, her, his friend, the daughter of friend, was there to watch the films and he gave the same mannerisms Chihiro has as the actual Japanese girl. Okay, so it's been inspired by somebody.
Speaker 1:Okay, in that aspect I can understand, I can respect that, I can forget that, but like I just had to be honest and that one thing to where I can tell, like as a 10 year old girl, this I it felt, it felt like this was a real girl. So as far as her being like scared and all that, I'm like I can forgive all that because I'm not expecting a 10 year old girl to have nerves to steal like. This felt like a realistic girl, it was just. That was the one thing that kind of grated on my nerves like every now and then, but it it didn't overstay its welcome. So I can go off by, but it didn't get annoying in the first half, you know.
Speaker 1:Now let's talk about the plot a little bit, how it centers around Chihiro and her and her parents. They're moving to a new place. Funny how there's a theme going between these two movies and also how we talked about Inside Out recently. There's a thing going between these two movies and also how we talked about inside out recently. Um, these kind of down on the gums about moving to a new place. She wanted to stay at her old school and honestly I can feel that, like you already know, with uh inside out, if you listen to that review and essentially the father was like hey, yo, let's take a shortcut. And then they arrived to what looked like this abandoned amusement park and they saw the food that was like warm and um fresh. So they're like, okay, well, you know, while I was here like I'm gonna dig in, and then chihiro did some more exploring and next thing, you know, it's like she got sucked Into this spiritual world. That was like I mean, I guess it was not real, very.
Speaker 1:But like Next thing you know she's just getting Ruptured and all this stuff to where she gotta Save her parents because they got transformed into pigs. And the thing was she had to go to yubaba, the main antagonist, the witch, and her deal is you had to get a job from her in order to kind of. I guess the deal was you had to get a job from her in order to work your way out. See, that's another thing, one of the themes, that spirit away that especially got to me like as an adult. As a kid I didn't pay too much mind, but as an adult, bro, listen, bro, listen, sebi, brace yourself for this. The whole point of the film was you have to literally sign your life away to this job and they take away your name, your identity, anything that makes you special, and then once you kind of forget who you are, you just become a shell of yourself and you just never leave and whatnot. And does that sound like?
Speaker 2:I'm like hey, yo what's up, man?
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 2:This does kind of feel like Because you're on to something, but I don't think that's the actual like content of the actual film. No, no, no, no you're definitely on to something, though, that's definitely something.
Speaker 1:That's the thing. Like it was like a subtext, it was like a Sub thing, you know, like it didn't pay too much Attention to that aspect. But when you really think about it, like when you Kind of Think of it in a different perspective, I'm like hold On. So the whole point was she had to get a job from this witch who planned on taking her whole Identity away from her To a point to where she even forgets who she was, so she'll never leave the spiritual world. So she's practically enslaved to this witch just to try to get her parents out of this whole situation. And I'm like, wait a minute, because I'm not trying to be this guy about it, because I swear, sometimes it feels like some jobs pay you just enough to convince you to keep that job.
Speaker 2:You no longer have a name JB. You are now working in corporate America. You better figure out a name for yourself, because it's no longer going to be JB.
Speaker 1:I'm like no going to be JB. I'm like. No, I have an identity, I have a voice of my own, I am my own person. Damn it.
Speaker 2:What's funny is that if you do work in corporate America, half the time you use a nickname for yourself. You don't even use your full name anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's almost like for me I'll probably go by my actual name when I'm in my winter years, because I'm like, hey man, like I mean you can call me jb's, like you know, call back to my prime years, but outside of that I'll probably sound more professional by then, but until then I'm still gonna be this edgy goofball. But, um, yeah, like I'll just sit back like hey yo. That's why I'm saying that in hindsight, like in retrospect, like in my adult years, I can sit back and watch this movie in a different perspective. I'm like, wait a minute. But anyways, yeah, yeah, the whole thing was with Haku being the Kohaku river spirit.
Speaker 1:He also pretty much lost his identity being under the employ of Yubaba and Chihiro helps him gain his identity. And of course I mentioned no Face and he's kind of funny here and there. But at the same time it's more like he. He reminds me of the kind of guy that pops up every now and then to where he thinks oh well, if I show her that I have money and whatnot, she might like me. I'm like, oh well, I don't really want your money. Like, just be yourself. I'm like I, I, I, I don't know how to be myself, like bitch. Look at me. I have no face. Like it means I have no identity outside of my money. You know what I mean. And I'm like hold on no I think.
Speaker 2:No, I think the representation of no face, being like I'll be who you want me to be yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 1:It's like, hey, man, you just need to chill out, like, and they just kept rampaging whatnot. But hey, you know what he did calm down by the end of it, like okay, I'm just gonna follow you to um deneva and deneva's gonna help you out. And then deneva's like, hey, you want to stay here, like I could always need help. Or I'm like, okay, yeah, that's cool and I'm like that's pretty much his art and I'm like alright, okay. No.
Speaker 2:This movie definitely Like. It's definitely an artwork For 2001. When I originally saw the movie, I asked if it was like 2010 or 2009. When I found out it was, I asked if it was like 2010 or 2009. When I found out it was 2001,. I'm like no.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 23 years.
Speaker 2:Don't say that I'm back. Don't put it in years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sorry, I do that like coca got to taste that. I'm like why are you putting years on?
Speaker 1:hey man, you need to stop fighting it, okay I'm not old like, then again, I'm like I have that unfair advantage to where, until it wears off, like physically I'm not aging. So it's like, yeah, you know well, I am getting older. But if you know, you know, you know what I mean. Like, if you know my actual age, you will know I'm old. But at face value You'll just assume I'm in my 20s. So I'm like, hey, man, let them believe whatever they want to believe.
Speaker 2:Well, as someone In her 20s, I'm pretty face accurate. But, it's kind of a shock, because a lot of my Friends are like way older than me or than people that I first meet and they're like oh, how old are you? Are you like in your late 20s? I'm like I just turned 2-4, sir. And then they're like oh, I'm like 20 years older than you and I'm like shut up.
Speaker 1:I keep thinking like okay, I kind of look older now, but sometimes like even like, how long was this like? I want to say at least a year ago like one person uh came up to me, asked me how old am I? How, yeah, how old am I? And then I just like straight up I told her 32 and then she was like no fucking way, you're lying. I'm like no, dang, I thought you were like my age. I'm like how old are you? Like 21? I'm like dang, really. I mean not, that's not bad. But I'm just saying like wow, what a weird age gap. It's like it's almost like kind of weird making friends once you're in your 30s, to where I'm like especially depending on how young the person could look to where it's like you're just chopping it up with them. You're not even asking for their age up front, because who does that? And then just out of nowhere, eventually you find out how old they are and you're like wait what?
Speaker 2:Have you seen? I don't know if you've seen that meme, jb, but it's like the person sitting in the middle is like in their middle 20s. It's like the person sitting in the middle is like in their middle 20s and then the people on the right are like. Then it's like different people spanning out. It's like 30, 35, 16, 22, 45. And I'm like that's my friend group right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Right now my friend group is more like either you're in your mid 20s or you're probably pushing towards 40. No, no, hold on. I have like a couple that's like mid-40. But none of them are pushing 50.
Speaker 2:I don't think I have any friends that are 50.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that wouldn't be bad, but like, almost, like I wouldn't say friends more like colleagues.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people that you talk to and occasionally hang out with nothing more, nothing less.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's more professional Than casual. You know Like I might come to them for advice or assistance, but we're not that familiar with each other.
Speaker 2:And that's Kind of exactly what this movie has. And Chihiro Going to these different Adults, you know, like zaniba, and there do I say um, haiku and yubaba, and then oh lynn um, what was that one guy?
Speaker 1:the boiler man? Um, wait, I forgot his name, but like I swear to god, he looked like Eggman in the face. Stop. Stop, come on like it was like Eggman, but like he became A spider.
Speaker 2:Kamaji. His name is Kamaji.
Speaker 1:Kamaji, okay, yeah, like he had like the extending Spider Limbs. I don't know, that's actually kind of cool. But yeah, now I'm like that's actually kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm watching him pour tea and then he's doing something else with his left hand and doing something with his other hand.
Speaker 1:I love his sense of spatial awareness because he was trying to get an item and he was like extending his arm and he knew exactly where the hero was. Yeah, exactly where the drawers and everything. He didn't have to look at it, he just had that memory and spatial awareness. That's actually kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Grab and go type situation. I think my favorite character in this entire movie were the suits. Yeah, but everyone loves the suits.
Speaker 1:The baby Bo. I swear to god, he, he kind of annoyed me just a little bit. I mean once again a baby. So I can't fault him too much. But like the whole thing where if you don't play with me I'll cry and then mommy gonna hear and he gonna come and kill you.
Speaker 1:You better play with me right now and I'm like I get it, but, jesus christ, you're really making it hard to see. That's another thing. What I like about chihiro like that's the main thing I like about her the fact that she was like standing on business the whole time trying to rescue her parents. Like she was, like, not, it's like that. One meme um, born to dilly dally, forced to lock in right like she was playing no games, like with no face or anybody.
Speaker 1:I'm like, hey man, I'm just trying to find my people so I can get the hell out of here. I don't got time to play with y'all.
Speaker 2:Yeah definitely.
Speaker 1:Was there anything else about this movie, because I feel like we just covered Whoa Well, of course, the ending to where? Okay, now that she went through all those hoops and hurdles, the final test was she had a seat which one of the pigs in the little hurdle was her real parents, and I like how there was like subtlety to it. There was like no real tell or anything, just more she just knew that it was none of them and then I was well, she passed the test. So Yubaba was a woman of her words. She was like alright, get the hell out of here Exactly Go home.
Speaker 1:That's what I kind of like about some like I don't know if you've seen Agatha all along, but that's just a funny thing. There was like no conventional antagonist, like they weren't evil. It's just more like, yeah, they are who they are.
Speaker 2:But right they can be fair sometimes no, I'm about to start watching agatha. Um, you did a review on it recently, didn't you?
Speaker 1:yeah, I just did and so, yeah, you don't have to worry about jumping on a review, I already did it. But I would recommend it anyways because, like I said in the review, not gas, but not bad, it was pretty good.
Speaker 2:Gotcha. Here's a cool fact about Spirited Away. It was the first anime film to ever win an Oscar.
Speaker 1:That is not surprising. I feel like I heard that before, but it's been a while since I heard that. But that's not. That's really not surprising, because think about it where, in the opposite of my neighborhood, where there was little to no stakes and spirited away, there was a lot of stakes because if chihiro didn't figure all this out in a timely manner, she would have lost her identity and her parents would have been picked forever.
Speaker 2:So I'm like, yeah, like she definitely had to lock in and I think the whole premise of this movie is that you know life is going to be hard whether you move or not, and that just because you go to a new school doesn't mean it's going to be all bad. And she was able to overcome everything that happened to her and, at the end, her dad. I think it's the cutest little saying. The dad goes a new home and a new school. It is a bit scary and shahira turns to him and goes. I think I can handle it.
Speaker 1:You know what that's crazy. Imagine if you had those two scenes, like the beginning part and the ending part, and just match them together. Imagine that being like pretty much the whole plot of Inside Out, like you just pretty much explain Inside Out in five minutes.
Speaker 2:So easy for our review. Oh, abusing my friends, I think I can handle it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, of course. Visually, musically beautiful, excellent Classic. Honestly, in conclusion, both my Neighbor Totoro and Spirited Away are timeless masterpieces, Heartwarming classics, and if I were to rate Spirited Away five-star movie, I don't know. I can't argue with it.
Speaker 2:It was solid. If I had to rate it and I may get some hate about this I'm going to have to say 4.5. Yeah, that's okay. That is because only one Studio Ghibli has my 5.0 heart.
Speaker 1:So it's biased.
Speaker 2:Just a little bit.
Speaker 1:I mean also you are fairly new to it, so I'm like I'm not going to hold you to it. But hey look, it's not even about it being like oh, it was the first Ghibli movie that I watched, but it was more like going back to as an adult. I'm like, hold on, like I just re-watched Spirit of the Way and I rethought of some of the things I glossed over as a kid and I'm like I'm not the same since, because I'm now looking at Spirit of the Way in a different perspective to where. I'm like I just saw a little a 10 year old girl sign her life away to save her parents.
Speaker 2:When I was 10, I was playing with a Bratz doll.
Speaker 1:So I'm like, yeah, I kind of like this film more than I did when I watched the first time. I'm like, okay, as an adult I appreciate it better. So, yeah, it gets the five star. If I only watched it as a kid it would probably got the four, but as an adult I'm like okay. So I like what you did here and there, you know.
Speaker 2:Definitely.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that's a double feature, like actually pretty quick, well quicker than usual, you know you go on for like an hour, maybe two hours, but that's what I'm saying, like sometimes some of these movie reviews gonna have more brevity to where. Yeah, yeah, I got notes and whatnot, but not a whole lot to say on my end, unless any of my guests have anything that they want to add on. In fact, I think I got some notes from Kokugatsu, but while I pull them up, sebi, you got any additional notes for Spirited Away?
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me pull while I pull up my own notes. No, just overall, spirited Away has been like a featured film. I mean 2022 was 20 years old. I mean just overall. There wasn't a script when it was made. I think that's one of the notes that I wrote. Yeah, spirited Away and other Ghibli films tend to not have scripts.
Speaker 2:Miyazaki himself said I didn't even know I was finished with the story until I finished it. He is such a depressing old man but he makes the cutest little films. I think I watched one of his little docu-series. He wrote and he was outside of the Ghibli the studio and there's just this plot of land and he goes and this is where I'll be buried. I just think it's funny. Um, so Chihiro's name. I thought this was cool. The names actually mean something. So like, like, um, the soot sprites are actually called susuwatari, which means wandering soot. Kamaji means boiler geezer. Yubaba means bathhouse witch, zaniba translates to money witch. Chihiro's Name means a thousand searches, while when it gets shortened to Sen just means a thousand. So she's searching for her Name and I thought that was cool. So Sen a thousand is searching for the rest Of her name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because remember when Yubaba tried to take her name away, they took away the first two like kanji, so it was like we went from.
Speaker 1:I like that but those are my notes funny enough, half of your notes were also half of Kokugatsu's notes. Like that's funny. He mentioned that. Yeah, um, the voice actress for um chihiro was lilo. Um, he was mentioning some of the stuff too, like how she was based on the 10 year old daughter of the one of the co-producers. And yeah, uh, it's just funny how, yeah, some of y'all had both of you had similar notes, but here's some notes that he had Haku.
Speaker 1:The Kohaku River was destroyed and the land was used to create apartments for the ever-expanding population of Japan. He saved Chihiro from drowning as a kid before this happened and this forced Kohaku to live in the spirit world where Yubaba took advantage of the weakest, the most weakened state to insert a mind controlling slug. Uh, as you've seen him, uh, regurgitate. Uh, seneba was also able to curse him for stealing one of the magical artifacts. And let me jump to Seneba real quick.
Speaker 1:How like she's supposed to be the opposite of Yubaba, to where she lives alone and stays to herself and she takes no face, and where Yubaba rejected his fake money, but Seneba saw good potential in him and took him in. So, yeah, there's also a bow when Yubaba's son, forcedly shut in by his mother, represents a child that has Loved his mother and when he finally Experienced the world as a little mouse Opposite of his giant baby form, he learns to stand up to giant baby form. He learned to stand up to his mother, that he needs to grow up and experience the world. You know what? That's a good analogy because we got something like I kind of noticed that but I didn't really think about it until now.
Speaker 1:I'm like yeah yeah, that makes sense. Uh, kamaji and lin represent the working force and how big they are. Yeah, as we. It's like I he made it sound simple and Yubaba. He also mentioned how she represents corporate greed. She runs bathhouses helping passing spirits relax, but only out for money, and she'll force her workers to do any, any job, regardless of how dangerous it might be. And she also represents the overprotective mother, literally smothering Bo with tons of pillows and such and reprimands him from experiencing the outside world. And I'm sitting here, like you know. Yeah, it's kind of wild how you don't really think about it because of the supernatural creatures and whatnot, but it's like a very strong analogy of how like this is what happens once you start growing up and get a job, like either you gotta climb the ladder or stay at your dead-end job or whatever's going on.
Speaker 2:Instead of a child. I too smother myself in pillows.
Speaker 1:I mean, not gonna lie, it does sound pretty comfortable, especially if you have a day bed in the living room and sometimes you just want to take a nap and it just sounds relaxing.
Speaker 2:Indeed, it does.
Speaker 1:Oh, no Face, His Coco got his nose on no Face. Many believe that he represents capitalism and consumerism and he understands when the bathhouse brings him stuff, he gives them gold galore. But Chihiro is different. He cannot understand that and I pretty much explained that to him. That Zuniga understands that he can be the working class and just needs to be appreciated, as he does not need to represent greed. See, that's the thing. It's funny how, with Kogagaster's notes, it's pretty much a fusion of what I already said and what you said great minds think alike.
Speaker 1:I guess. So that's why we kind of call it a think tank in the inner circle. But honestly, yeah, for the most part Pretty much spent on both. I said my neighbor told you it was a four out of five. Man, Spirit of Waves is a five out of five. I'm going to stand on that. Any final words for the people sebi.
Speaker 2:Nope, I think we've covered everything here, jb all right, bad, all right.
Speaker 1:With that being said, we're gonna go ahead and zone out of here. Remember to stay nerdy and that great things are coming. Have yourself a good morning, good afternoon and good night and, most importantly, take it easy.