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Inside Out (1 & 2): Understanding and Accepting Our Emotional Spectrum
Ever wondered what happens when emotions take the lead inside your mind? Join us, Jet Black Xtreme and our insightful guest, Sebby Phantom, as we navigate the vibrant emotional landscape of Pixar's "Inside Out" films. Remember the last time you moved to a new city and the rollercoaster of emotions it brought? We share our personal stories of transitioning and how they echo Riley's journey, reminding us that growth sometimes means embracing emotions we'd rather avoid, like sadness. Let's explore how Joy, Anger, Fear, Disgust, and Sadness aren't just characters—they're reflections of our internal struggles, each playing a pivotal role in shaping our identities across life's changing tides.
As the "Inside Out" sequel shatters box office records, we're abuzz with speculation about what the future might hold for Riley and her colorful companions. Could envy and personal growth be the next focal points in a third film installment? We reflect on how these films align with other Pixar masterpieces like "Turning Red" and "Encanto," which masterfully blend coming-of-age narratives with emotional depth. From Bing Bong's tear-jerking farewell to the charming dynamics of new friendships, we examine how Pixar captures the raw essence of growing up. Tune in to discover how these stories resonate across generations, striking a chord in anyone who's ever faced the whirlwind of adolescence and beyond.
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Welcome back to the Zone Podcast, the show for nerdy news and reviews. I'm Jet Black Extreme feel free to call me JB and joining me today is Sebi Phantom on a review on Inside Out. And yes, we're going to be talking about the first one and the second one, so, without further ado, let's go ahead and zone in on it. Inside Out went into good movies, very good movies, how it dove into the different emotions that we all feel deep down. And with the main human character, riley.
Speaker 1:In the first one it was mainly about her transitioning to a new place. Like she moved away from Minnesota and she's trying to adjust to, um, her new residence but she's not handling very well. But the gist of the first one was that she was trying to, like, mask her emotions to where. She was trying to, uh, you know, smile it up for her parents but deep down, like you know, feeling sad about it. You know, the funny thing was that joy, even though that's the funny thing, uh, you could say that there's no conventional villain in these movies to where, with joy, even though and she's not intentionally the villain, but she's more like a sleeper villain to where.
Speaker 1:I guess the whole theme was that sometimes it's okay to feel sad about things, you know like. You know like you feel homesick, and it's like it's okay to feel homesick and you know not to bottle up your negative emotions just to, uh, put on a show for other people. That was like the kind of gist I got from the first one, and the second one was more like. Riley is a teenager. She's trying to try out for the Firehawks and get new friends and whatnot, and she's trying to develop a sense of self, but the thing is she struggles from being a good person, from not being good enough and whatnot. So we're going to dive into that a little further. So, sebi, how did you feel about both films?
Speaker 2:I absolutely loved both films. I saw the first one in theaters and I then waited for the second one to come out onto D+, so I enjoyed each one. It definitely the second one I definitely felt like related more to me than the first one. The first one was just growing up how your emotions change. And then the second one was again what you said, um her trying to find her sense of self, trying to be like everybody else, but in the end she just needed to be her own person. So, yeah, I enjoyed the movies immensely bad, bad.
Speaker 1:Yes, I, I enjoyed them both but funny enough, I guess you can say I feel a little biased towards the first one. And here's the thing, like first of all, I just watched both movies, like the other day, like it. Just they were like brand new to me and the thing was that with inside out one, I can relate to riley in the sense to where I was, also that kid who transferred to new schools and transferred to a new city. But the thing was, uh, it was like smaller scale in comparison because, keep in mind, she went from minnesota to san francisco.
Speaker 1:My whole thing was I just transferred to like, okay, I was on one side of the city and then I moved to a opposite side of the city and that means I had to go to the school that was on the other side of the city and then that was like for eight years. So at least at that time I was able to form friendships and you know, I feel like it was going to be a long term. So I might as well make friends and whatnot. But then when I turned 16, I moved to a neighboring city. So it's not far from my hometown, but regardless, it's just like moving to a new city and starting over again at a new school. It's like, uh like. Even though I tried to be uh happy about the situation, deep down I wasn't really feeling the whole thing, because I would have preferred to graduate with the people that I grew up with rather than graduate with people that I'm probably not gonna see after all this.
Speaker 1:So you know, though no yeah, you know, like I, I definitely relate to the first one a little better than the second one, because I know the second one was good. But just that, I guess you say a little bias towards the first one based on okay, I can definitely relate to inside out one, the whole thing about that, uh, inside out two, uh, honestly, we can all can kind of relate to that, to where we're all trying to find a sense of self, to where we're all trying to find our beliefs and we're trying to form our own person, and sometimes our anxiety, our embarrassment and envy and all that stuff kind of gets in the way and gets you in situations that sometimes are not very good. But let's go ahead and talk about the different emotions. By the way, uh, for starters, let's start with the first generation. We have joy, anger, fear, disgust and sadness.
Speaker 1:Now, joy, once again, she's not really a villain, but it's like she's the it was kind of like erinaron jaeger thing, but not exactly like aaron jaeger, but I'm talking about like both the protagonist and antagonist at the same time, to where, yeah, she was, um, just looking out for riley, but at the same time it was like because she thought that sadness had no purpose within riley. She was just trying to keep sadness out of the way, but until she realized that sadness is necessary for Riley to, you know, gain joy. You know, it's kind of like that old saying that you can't have sunny days without rainy days. It's kind of like that to where you can't expect everything to be like all good all the time, like sometimes there's going to be like All good all the time, like sometimes there's gonna be bad days. And you gotta remember that Bad days don't last. I mean tough days don't last. Tough people do so.
Speaker 2:Right, you can't have the rainbow Without a rain.
Speaker 1:Right, anger. You know anger is anger. He's kind of funny uh, especially how he uh helped at the end of inside out one with the flame head. Uh, fear was kind of funny and disgust. I mean, hold on, let me batch up with fear, with fear. I kind of like how uh him, and what was it? Anxiety? I like how fear acted like oh, he could fix anxiety. You know like a toxic relationship. You know it's kind of funny because anxiety and fear kind of do go together like butter and jelly yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1:I kind of like that. But I also like how fear was kind of calculating on the same level as anxiety. So it's kind of funny like that Disgust. Disgust was okay, you know, I thought she was going to be more bitchy, but she was helpful. And sadness, you know, once again, sadness is sadness, but she's also helpful in her own way. So the first generation is overall cool, is overall cool. Now the second generation there was anxiety, embarrassment, uh, envy and ennui. Now, with anxiety, you know, she wanted what's best for riley to a point where she tried to push out the first generation. And it's kind of funny because at the near end of inside out too, it would say joy, would say that all sometimes, um, as we grow up, we just experience more anxiety and less joy. So it's like damn, you know what? She's not wrong. And anxiety was like overthinking things, and that's kind of thing when you have like anxiety, especially like social anxiety, whatnot.
Speaker 1:You just keep overthinking all the different possibilities of what could go wrong, and joy was trying to, uh, you know in that writer's room that anxiety make up for the other. You know in the mind and, by the way, can I also mention how it's not just the headquarters where the emotions are, but it's all those different islands, like family, friendship and whatnot, dream productions, which is going to get serious eventually, and I just love that, by the way. Um, it's just with anxiety, trying to do what's best for Riley and just keep making this distorted sense of self to where it's like, oh, I'm not good enough and I'm like, oh no, I gotta fix it. I gotta fix it and just made things worse for Riley and Joy and the gang had to figure something out and eventually, like eventually, with both movies it just comes to the fact that they all gotta work together in order to work things out. And of course, you're gonna have embarrassment. And he's kinda cool, quiet for the most part, but he's cool, he helped.
Speaker 1:Sadness, um, from time to time. Uh, envy was kind of funny, like at least she wasn't like in the way. For the most part, it was like sometimes just be like that. Like sometimes you can be a little envious of people. That's why it's kind of funny how, like she really tiny, to where it's almost like Deep down we can be a little Envious, but not like In a toxic way. But sometimes you just Be jealous for other people, like, oh my god, I'm so jealous you got this new thing, but I'm happy for you.
Speaker 2:You know, that sort of thing I'm wondering if, because if you saw the second one since you did see the second one like at the end. I'm wondering if we're possibly going to get a third one, because to me envy, I feel like she could grow, you know, because envy can grow inside of you and bubble. So I'm wondering if we could possibly see these, these emotions, get bigger and, you know, become more and more different emotions rather than, you know, the basic 10 or 8 right, yeah, I mean right now.
Speaker 1:We're gonna have dream production by uh, tightening us over for a while. So I would say inside out 3 would be on the table. And it's kind of funny too when you think about it, like I completely forgot inside out was out in 2015 and I'm like, really, 2015 was that long ago and it's like nine years from now um, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm like thinking, okay, if we do get an inside out three I'm not saying it's gonna take another nine to ten years, but chances are dream productions have to do pretty well for inside out three to get it yeah yeah, like I want to say, I mean because, bro, listen, like, hold on, let me, let me pull up the numbers, just to be correct.
Speaker 1:But uh, inside out 2 did very well. Like, uh, hold on, let me do the numbers. On inside out one. Uh, the budget was 175 million and the box office it made $858.8. Now, that's the first one. The second one, the budget was $200 million, in the box office $1.6 billion.
Speaker 2:I saw that.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, like People are going to want this like, in fact, it said that it became the highest grossing animated film of all time, it became the highest grossing film of 2024, the eighth highest grossing film of all time. I'm like, oh yeah, people are definitely gonna want inside out 3, because it relates to all levels of human beings, like from child to teenager to adult, to where, like, we can all relate to this. So this is what Pixar needs to be working on, this is what Disney needs to be focusing on. Where these introspective movies? Where it's like, damn.
Speaker 2:I didn't even think of it like that until now. Right? No, I did see that it did break multiple box office records. I mean you have to do a lot to become the eighth highest grossing film of all time. I mean you gotta have something under your belt for that.
Speaker 1:Oh, hell, yeah. Oh, and can I also mention how on Wii, she was like a sleeper mvp to where every time she had control over riley like whenever, you know, anxiety or embarrassment was taken over and made things worse. It's like okay. On we was like all right, back up, back up, I got this and she was like playing off like a stoic response and I was like, okay, that'll diffuse the situation. I'm like I like that, I like how she's, uh, I thought with on we, I'm like okay, what is she's gonna be useful for? And then you see it and you're like, okay, that's cool oh yeah, on we.
Speaker 2:the term boredom is the lack of distractions, no emotion, so just her going in and just, you know, pressing that button and just making Riley kind of calm down. You know, after all that anxiety, yeah, I definitely see that.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, definitely. Ah, now, what else about this movie? Well, the two movies that, because I know for the most part, like with Inside Out 1, uh, joy was trying to help fix, um, riley's issues but she was like kinda sort of making things worse by pushing sadness out of the way. But Inside Out 2 is more like joy versus anxiety. But once again it's like they both wanted what's best for Riley. So I'm like thinking, oh right, there was this one short where Riley goes on a date and then you know the whole emotions deal with that situation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did see that. That it was kind of funny. Um, where the dad? When he, if I remember the one that you're talking about, where the dad is asking the boy a ton of questions, like I'm not trying, to undersell it but like I don't have too much to say like okay.
Speaker 1:Well, there is the friends where, like uh riley, uh made some new friends, like it was funny, because in the first film she moved away from Minnesota. She missed her old friends. And they pretty much moved on with their lives. Oh yeah, there was Riley's imaginary friend Bing Bong. I almost forgot about him. All the hoops and hurdles they went through to help Riley and restore her core memories, and all that in the first one but, it seemed like with Riley's old friends they pretty much like moved on for the most part, I believe.
Speaker 1:and then in the second one it's like she made new friends, bree and Grace. But then she met up with the team captain of the Firehawks on Val and she wanted to make the team and make new friends, cool friends, you know, typical, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:New friends, cool friends, you know, typical, I'm sorry. I won't say typical, but stereotypical teenage stuff to where you want to fit in with the cool kids and you will do whatever it takes to be with the cool kids, even if you start acting like uncharacteristic, like that one moment when Riley was hanging out with the firehawks and what was that one thing that she liked, that one band and she was like oh, I love that band, like you know, sarcastically and then that sarcasm for me, and then even Joyasm for me, and then even Joy was like but she loves that band.
Speaker 1:I don't understand why she's doing this. But yeah, I kind of feel that too, to where sometimes we try to be someone that we're not just to impress people that we believe will give us a better sense of self. And that's pretty much the theme of Inside Out 2, where I'm like, yeah, both movies are very relatable to all levels of people.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, absolutely. I recommend the movies to anyone who wants to do any day in life.
Speaker 1:It's definitely a good movie. Oh, you know what? Uh, another movie that I wanted to review but I never got around to. Uh, how did you feel about reviewing turning red, since that also deals with puberty?
Speaker 2:I love turning red. It is one of my favorite movies and actually, in addition, inspired Inside Out 2. It became they used a lot of the same directors that made Inside Out 2, just so that it would kind of correlate with that whole going through puberty, going through self-esteem and self-life.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh yeah, we'll do that. We'll do that. I just need to make sure that put, uh, make room for it on the schedule and whatnot. But yeah, like there's a whole bunch of um disney movies that I've been meeting, well, disney, pixar, dream work movies that I've been meaning to review, so we'll get around to them, we'll get around to them. But like, turning red just comes to mind here and, uh, I guess I can save what I want to save um for when we do that now, I do remember that kokigatsu got some notes for us.
Speaker 1:Uh, he was saying that how, uh, the emotions were named differently, how joy was optimism, anger was era, sadness was misty, disgust was Nadia. They were changed for simplicity and easy understanding, which is fair. Emotion, shape and color is based on a shape that Riley associates with each emotion at a young age, where joy is the color of a star. You know yellow, yellow, her favorite color. Yeah, anger is a fire. Or you know brick, yeah, sadness represents teardrops. Uh, blue, uh, fear is raw nerve. Or purple, or, and disgust is like broccoli yeah yeah, didn't see that.
Speaker 1:The overall sadness scene, the overall saddest scene of the whole movie, was when bing bong was disappearing.
Speaker 1:I'm like yeah, yeah that was definitely a tearjerker for me and the scene was supporting the show that as we grow up, we have to let things go and for parents to understand, to let go of of their children, to grow up on their own, I'm like, yeah, I definitely feel that right there. The writers did this because it was psychologically proven that we associate every emotion at a young age and we always compare ourselves to what we associate with. This is specifically why we cannot always understand each other, as we have all have different levels of emotions and different bases. The first movie is so impactful that it is regularly shown and mental rehabilitation clinics to patients to not only help them understand their own emotions but also those of others. So, yeah, like um, our resident therapist, callie hikai, I would say she would probably highly recommend this movie as well. It's kind of a shame that she wouldn't be on the show for this, but maybe we'll do like a separate nerdy therapy episode oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I do want to give some really cool like um fact about this. There was originally 27 emotions for this movie, including irritation, envy, greed, gloom, despair, depression. The list goes on see.
Speaker 1:That's why I would say Inside Out 3 would make more sense. Right For those emotions later, because I'm like, whoa, hold on, that's a whole lot of emotions for a teenage girl, but wait until she's like an adult. I'm like, yeah, at this point Pandora's box is open. At that point, Exactly so.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't doubt that we probably Will be seeing another movie here soon.
Speaker 1:Definitely. Like I said, I would say Give it a solid At least five years. I want to say less than that, but let's just be realistic With animation and how great the animation is. By the way. Uh, yeah, I can imagine at least five to ten years for another one, but you know it'll probably be worth it. Especially, you know it's gonna be one of those things to where we kind of grew up with the trilogy, to where, okay, the first one came out in 2015. I was like in my 20s by then. You were probably like what? Teenager?
Speaker 2:yeah uh.
Speaker 1:And then inside out two you know, I'm in my 30s, you're in your 20s.
Speaker 2:So by the time inside out three comes in, I'll be middle age, you'll be in your 30s and you'll be like, oh damn, we kind of grew up with this whole trilogy and TV show oh yeah, I definitely am excited to see what comes out of Disney Pixar, with everything going on, because I do feel that they're making more movies tailored to the growing up experience, so maybe we'll see more movies related to that scenario in the future yeah, like in console turning red.
Speaker 1:Uh, I don't think turning red was like a, was it? Yeah, I mean it's disney, like it's disney pixar, but like, for some reason I'd be thinking like, uh, is it a disney movie technically, but it's not like in the disney princess realm, but it's more like it is a Disney Pixar film. So I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's like Pixar is like it's own thing, to where. I'm like, for some reason I keep thinking that, yeah, I keep thinking Pixar is just completely Separate. But yeah, it's a Disney film, so I'm thinking like Turning Red Encanto, others Soul. I like Soul film so I'm thinking like, uh, turning red incanto, uh, others that can't soul I like soul um.
Speaker 2:Luca is another one yeah, yeah, luca um.
Speaker 1:What was that coco? I think it was yeah coco is a good one.
Speaker 2:Um, a whole bunch coming out Within the last, like five to ten years or so. That is just Simply just growing up.
Speaker 1:Wow, I mean you could say that it's always been like that with Pixar. Since 2000, you know, with Toy Story, where, even though it was about the toys, but really is like how we kind of grew up with and is like, yeah, at some point you're going to have to get rid of your toys and whatnot, I was like damn why do I relate to this movie you got to grow up and then you went to Bonnie.
Speaker 2:Now Bonnie's growing up.
Speaker 1:You got to grow up and stop being childish. I'm like god damn it.
Speaker 2:And then you bought the action figures and now they sit on your wall.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, I still got my Funko Pops and I got like Fox up and what not I kind of felt like yeah. I mean think about. I'm like some of them are like autographed and special editions. They're worth money now.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's like a fun investment.
Speaker 2:Exactly, you want toys as a kid, you play with them. Then you have to grow up and play with them, then you have to grow up and then halfway through you're like I have my own adult money, I can buy actual toys now and collect them that one meme where people are judging you for buying all this childhood shit.
Speaker 2:But I finally have the money to do all the shit I wanted to do as a kid me every time I go to a store that I see something really cool and I pick it up anyway because I have money.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like imagine if you bought that new lightsaber, you know like the dark saber from all the Mandovers and Star Wars, and you buy one and it's like, oh, your son's gonna love this.
Speaker 2:Like, yes, my son's gonna love it, my son's gonna love it Places it on the wall, goes home and uses it. You know.
Speaker 1:I'm like oh, you bought that for your nephew, Like my nephew. True, that's what we're going to go with, absolutely but you know what, yeah, I just love how, with these um pixar films, like these movies, where, um, it just makes you realize that, yeah, I mean, it's good that you still have a sense of imagination and creativity and whatnot, but you do have to face reality at some point, you know yeah, absolutely with.
Speaker 1:That being said, I'm not gonna see. That's the thing. Like I'm not gonna take away too much from the listener from watching the movies because, like, we're not trying to give away the whole movie. It's more like we're just telling y'all how we feel about the movie, like it was awesome movies awesome. Honestly, to give away the whole movie, we're just telling y'all how we feel about the movie. It was awesome movies Awesome, honestly. Hmm, you know what? I'll tell you what If they do Inside Out 3 and they have those really complex emotions, I'll give the whole trilogy a 10 out of 10.
Speaker 1:The thing is right now as it stands. I would give Inside Out 1 and trilogy a 10 out of 10 because the thing is right now as it stands. I would give inside out one and two a nine out of ten because I thought they were gonna go even harder than I thought they were with the emotions and whatnot. But I'm like, okay, they were still trying to play safe and I understand that. But as soon as you like you come into those adult years, you know, like college years, and I'm like that's what I'm looking for, like the really crazy shit, you know, and I'm like that's probably what's going to really sell it for me. So I'm like hoping for Dream Productions and a hypothetical Inside Out 3 to put the whole franchise into a solid 10 out of 10. I want to say right now I'd give it a ghost 10 out of 10, but I'm really hoping for Dream Productions and Inside Out 3 to solidify that 10.
Speaker 2:Put the icing on the cake with the cherry.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, seb, do you have anything you want to add on before we close up, because you know I'm pretty much done?
Speaker 2:I am also pretty much done. I'd go for my rating.
Speaker 1:Uh, for the first one I gotta say it's an eight, but for the second one definitely nine yeah, I feel that like, see, once again, it's like, even though though I'm kind of biased towards Inside Out 1, inside Out 2 just felt like an improvement to Inside Out 1. Because, you know, with more complex emotions, it's like, yeah, yeah, I feel that, I feel that you know All right. With that being said, that was all we had to say. I do thank you, dear listener, for listening to us to the end and to be phantom. I do thank you for being on with me for the show. Keep in mind that we do have a lot of more reviews in the works. We're going to be working on with storia, cowboy bebop, scooby-doo and uh courage the caroling dog. Uh, cross, like it's gonna be like a double feature, because I feel like, even though there's a lot going on with scooby-doo and courage caroling dog, it's not like, uh, a solid plot, unless you talk about mystery incorporated and scooby-doo otherwise's more like, eh, you know, it's like a monster of the week kind of thing. So it's like the plot's not that deep. So we can kind of do both and also keep in mind the crossover episode. So that's the main reason why we're doing it. What else we got going on by the time we get to Halloween, we're going to try to review Danny, Phantom, fire Force, soul Eater, agatha, all along. A whole bunch of shit, so be on the lookout for that.
Speaker 1:We're still working on the website. I am getting really close to buying a Bamboo Lab P1S, so that will help me 3D print some of the stuff that I really want to put on the merch store. And, aside from that, we're going to be working on blogs and a whole bunch of stuff. We're going to be working on our social media platforms on Facebook, instagram, twitter. We're still planning things out for our YouTube channel. We're still planning things out for Twitch. We're rebuilding our Discord, we're rebuilding our retooling, repurposing our Patreon. We're doing a whole bunch of things. So until the next development comes up, remember to stay nerdy, my friends, and that great things are coming. I'm going to go ahead and zone out of here, so have yourself a good morning, good afternoon and good evening.
Speaker 2:take it easy.
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