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The Big O: Celebrating 25 Years of Unraveling Noir Mysteries with Giant Robot Battles
What happens when you blend the shadows of detective noir with the gleaming steel of mecha anime? Roger Smith, the suave negotiator of Paradigm City, takes center stage as we celebrate 25 years of "The Big O." Join us with our charming guests, Talos Gundam, Mira Jane, and Saitama Smash, as we explore the enigmatic world of "The Big O" and its philosophical musings on identity and reality. With nods to Batman and echoes of film noir, we unravel the web of mysteries that put Roger and his faithful robot, Big O, in the spotlight.
As we peel back layers, Dorothy's enigmatic presence and Dr. Jerome's less-than-stellar contributions come under scrutiny. Our conversation weaves through the captivating art and mech design, with Mira Jane offering a heartfelt tribute to the series' exploration of human identity amidst Paradigm City's memory-wiped backdrop. We share a chuckle at the antics of the bumbling police force, while contemplating the profound existential questions the series poses, reminiscent of cinematic narratives like "The Truman Show."
Ever wondered who would win in a butler battle royale? We pit the legendary Alfred Pennyworth against other iconic butlers in a playful hypothetical showdown. Wrapping up, our guests help us reflect on "The Big O's" remarkable journey and its impact on anime culture. While we reminisce about iconic mechas like Big Fau and Big Duo, we leave you with our ratings, heartfelt reflections, and a promise of more exciting content on the horizon. Stay nerdy, and join us in celebrating this cult classic that's left an indelible mark on the world of anime!
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Welcome back to the Zone Podcast, the show where we like to talk about how we love watching giant robots fight each other. I'm Jet Black Extreme, but feel free to call me JB, and joining me today is Talos Gundam, the Mecha Manager, mirror Jane and Saitama Smash on this episode of the Zone Podcast. Today's topic is the big oh and, without further ado, it's showtime. The big oh is a japanese anime television series produced by sunrise, which originally aired in 1999 to 2003, and the series is set in paradigm city, a place where the inhabitants have lost their memories of the past due to a mysterious event known as the event that occurred 40 years ago. The city is characterized by a dark film noir aesthetic and is dominated by a massive dome that shows the city um the wealthy in the city. Now, before I this, let me just go ahead and point out I have to say happy 25th anniversary to Big O. It just turned 25, like the other day, so good ups on that.
Speaker 1:We got the protagonist, roger Smith, who honestly the whole show kind of gave me Batman vibes. Like Batman, but with a Mac.
Speaker 3:Dude, I was just thinking about this earlier. Is this Bruce Wayne on a fucking mecha?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean not exactly like Batman, but it's kind of sort of there, especially between him, the villains and all the shit that goes on. It's almost like okay, just imagine batman without the suit and uh, well, he does have gadgets, but not a whole lot of gadgets. But uh, he makes up for it with the um, with the mech so I'm like okay, okay, so it's not exactly like batman, but a connoisseur.
Speaker 1:It's like 90s Batman vibes, that's what I'm saying. He's a negotiator who is often called upon to resolve disputes and conflicts in the city. As a negotiator, his role is akin to that of a detective, kind of like with Batman, but he's like a vigilante and detective, solving cases that often involve strange occurrences and crimes. So roger's aided by his android assistant dorothy, his butler norman, and the series is notable for its unique blend of genres, combining elements of detective fiction, science fiction, mecha, anime and, at the heart of the series, big O. This colossal robot piloted by Roger and Big O is used in combat various other gigantic machines that threaten the city, often leading to epic battles reminiscent to classic kaiju films.
Speaker 1:And as the series progresses, roger delves deeper into the mystery of Paradigm City, uncovering secrets about the event, the nature of the city, the true identity of its inhabitants, themes of memory, identity, the nature of reality, explored the narrative, raising philosophical questions about the human condition. Really, big O stands out for its stylish animation, the intricate plot, plot and thoughtful exploration of deeper things, making it a cult classic among the og anime fans. And the series consists of two seasons with a total of 26 episodes, often praised for its artistic direction, character development and engaging storyline. But of course, there's going to be some criticism that we're going to address later, but for the time being, let's go around the table, starting with Saitama Smash. How are you feeling about Big O?
Speaker 3:I think we talked about this before, but Big O wasn't exactly one of my favorites. I watched it and it fell after a couple of episodes. It kind of fell off me for a bit. But when I first watched it I'm like this is fucking Bruce Wayne. He's not the press, he's still got the ladies, he still has the money and apparently the fucking police captain whatever is dumb as rock. How the fuck are you not going to notice that the fucking billionaire philanthropist is across from you? And every single fucking time the big O disappears, you're like it's normal for this guy to be here, absolutely. I mean, he's a negotiator. That's what negotiators do. Right, they're here and they're negotiating. How the fuck did he get here? I guess.
Speaker 3:Nobody asks that fucking question until eventually somebody goes like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:How, how did he?
Speaker 3:get here. But the show was wonderful. The mecha fights were fun. I liked that. It wasn't your well, it was kind of like your average mecha anime. I mean, by this time we already have. We already had Gundam, so like to see this on a more slower pace. I felt nice. Plus, the jazz was fucking bombing.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, oh, and let's talk a little bit about the mechs, by the way. Now, another prominent theme is the nature and power of control, and through the presence of these giant robots, these mega deuces, the series examines how technological might can influence society and the responsibility has come with such power, like between you know, big o and uh, what's his name? Um, I'm trying to think of it, don't help me. Uh, rosewater, alice rosewater.
Speaker 1:Uh, I was getting a mix-up between him and um his son gordon, I think no, no, his father, his father's name's gordon right, and essentially he's like big o, uh, big foul or Big Duo and all that, and you know they fight each other and whatnot and they have like significance to where it's like, oh well, I think it's like one of those things where there was like the original three Mega Deuces and then there were like some copies or more like some lesser powerful Mega Deuces, but there were like the big three and you know, big O was one of them, more like some lesser powerful mega deuces, but they were like the big three and you know, big O was one of them. You know, as you can see in flashbacks and what not, it was like big O and two others like Martin.
Speaker 3:So I'm thinking like, okay, there was a big three back then, but, um, yeah, the show made it, made it look like getting a mecha wasn't exactly the easiest and a lot of times, you know, our protagonist would be like, oh shit, he has this mock of a mech that hasn't been used in so long and so long. And everyone's like oh yeah, I know what you mean. It's this mecha that can do this ability that hasn't been used since an old-ass war.
Speaker 1:It's crazy that you're saying it like that because you're pretty much describing the first Zoids story, chaotic Century. To where to where? Oh yeah, it's like these ancient technologies, like we knew they exist, but like it was like ancient technology in their um universe and like only certain people can pilot these robots. And it's like the same thing here to where. It has like certain conditions, like, for instance, big foul, like the stronger mega deuce you the only way you can operate that one is if you had a core memory. So there's like conditions to pilot in mega deuces, so you have to be built a certain type of way to pilot one. So yeah, you do have a point there.
Speaker 3:I always found it weird that the show really emphasized but really fucking emphasized on Dorothy yeah fuck, it wasn't bad or anything like. The story was very much interesting, but ow, it's just an android dude.
Speaker 1:Calm your fucking ass down well, I do like dorothy, it's just that, uh, the thing is, it's one of those things where I think she was supposed to be set up to be this expository character, to where she's supposed to help us, uh, understand what's going on within the world. But it's not like one of those dumb expository characters, you know, the ones where they're like oh, what's this, what's that?
Speaker 3:you know, not like that, just more like she's quiet most of the time when she's quiet, this fucking Dr Jerome motherfucker, which is supposed to be apparently her grandfather Not the most interesting character, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 1:I gotcha, but was that all you had for Big O for?
Speaker 3:now. Yeah, for now, for now. You know, the art design was fucking amazing. I will not lie. Fucking Big O's mech design, fucking spot on. When I first saw, isn't he the, isn't he the voice that voiced Toonami on Saturdays?
Speaker 1:Big O or Roger Smith.
Speaker 3:Roger Smith. Wasn't he also the same voice as Toonami's Saturday Intro Robot?
Speaker 2:Oh no, no, but he's Spike. He's Spike Spiegel, though. Yeah, the same guy that voiced Spike Spiegel is from Cap. Hold on. The same guy that voiced Spike Spiegel is from Cowboy.
Speaker 1:Bebop Hold on. The same guy who was the Toonami robot was. I think it was the same one who did Optimus Prime.
Speaker 2:I think Uh-uh. Everybody always thought. Even for the longest time for me, I thought that Tom at one point was the same voice. Even for the longest time for me, I thought that Tom at one point was the same voice actor who did Spike. But apparently he's not. I forget who it is, but because I haven't pulled it up sometime soon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I gotta pull it up too.
Speaker 2:But, like I said, it was literally like everybody was like it was literally like everybody was like oh, shoot, wait, isn't that the same voice actor? But like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he's not the same.
Speaker 1:Okay, I know it's T-Balloon, so we got that. I just need to figure out who did he voice Other than Tom oh. Let's see, oh, oh, oh, he did a lot of shit. Yeah, he's done a lot, okay. Okay, he was the laughing man on ghost in the shell he was Leron from gorilla gone nice from Naruto Orochimaru. Oh, he was a whole bunch of people, orochimaru, yeah alright. Mugen from samuraiurai Champloo.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I can hear that one.
Speaker 1:He was a bunch of characters in Zad's Bell, oh, and that was just anime. He was in a lot of shit. He was all over the place American cartoons, video games, films, shit, shit. But I don't want to get too derailed from that. But yeah, like you're just thinking like hold on, I heard that voice somewhere, but man, there's so much shit. I'm like you know what, I'm just gonna leave it alone. It's just a very familiar voice. I'll put it like that.
Speaker 3:We're asking the real questions here, ladies and gentlemen. We're getting the real answers now. That's what we're going at now.
Speaker 1:Mira Jane, what's your impression of Big O?
Speaker 4:I freaking love this anime.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I freaking love Big O. I freaking love this anime. Yeah, I freaking love Big O. I love Big O when I first saw it, way back when on Adult Swim, staying up way too late past my bedtime if my parents are listening did I say I was in bed? Absolutely, was that the truth?
Speaker 1:anyway this anime. Was that the truth anyway?
Speaker 4:this anime, to me, told one of the greatest stories about human like. It held the human identity and complexity, even though all the characters are androids. It sold such a good duality of well, human and or, because some of them have human sides or human characteristics, and because roger smith, the main character, is human and android. So so this duality of finding your identity, finding your purpose and being shaped by your experiences, which is why this is such an interesting story, because everyone in Paradigm City has amnesia. They're not able to remember anything prior to like 40 years ago. And so, watching even the mysteries right there, the negotiator is there to solve or whatever. And, of course, I also agree with gabriel. I'm not getting sorry. I agree with saitama. I agree with saitama that the bumbling police force in this anime is crazy, like they don't know.
Speaker 1:I mean, you gotta have your bumbling cup buddy.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, no, no, no, no, no. But there's a difference between bubbling and flat-out fucking retarded.
Speaker 4:How the fuck, how the fuck, how the fuck.
Speaker 3:How the fuck do these people not fucking realize how he just came out of nowhere. He literally just how did you get here? How I didn't see you pull up in a fucking car, I didn't hear no motorcycle, I didn't hear no fucking batman swooshing onto the fucking rooftops. Motherfucker, how did you get there?
Speaker 1:you know what he reminds me of? Uh, what's his, what's his name? Uh, hoffman from the Spider-Man movies, where, you know, when J Jonah Jameson was like Hoffman, yes, I was like whoa shoot get here, oh my god, oh my god you know, the the police horse in this anime was absolutely you're not, it's.
Speaker 4:They were so stupid. And but I also say this anime also reminded me a lot of cowboy viva, and it now makes sense. We found out the voice actor right yeah so now that correlation makes so much sense, and the music, oh my god, the sound.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, oh my god. The soundtrack for.
Speaker 4:Big O. Oh, my god, oh my god, I love the music of freaking Big O, and it reminded me so much of a lot of other animes like Hunter x Hunter and Saint Seiya which makes sense, because I think it's Toshihiko Tahashi is the one who did the soundtrack.
Speaker 1:He did the soundtrack for Hitman Reborn too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, and I'm like, and now I'm starting to see a correlation for like a lot of my favorite animes and I'm like you know what?
Speaker 1:But now, you know what? Let me talk about the music real quick. I like how, with the music, it had that film noir, noir, blue, jazz kind of vibe. It's almost like that kind of music where you just want to drag on a cigarette or just have yourself a stiff drink and just contemplate about the dark reality of the world as you solve each case, you know, like a grizzled detective, like you just feel like a detective when you listen to that kind of music too. When you think about it, I'm like oh, oh, sahashi, you got that sauce, don't you?
Speaker 4:you got that sauce man? Because, like I, I felt the same way watching it and if you're, if you watched it as, like, an emotional teenager. I was an extremely emotional teenager so I was thinking, oh my god, this anime is so deep, the music makes me feel alive, oh my god. But truly it's a great, great anime. The music made it. Um, and I'll also say too, my favorite part was the ending. The ending is and I know not everyone likes the ending the ending is, and I know not everyone likes the ending, but I like.
Speaker 1:No, no, you just remind me of something, but go ahead.
Speaker 4:I like the ending because it's up to Roger. It's up to Roger Smith to make the decision, and he chooses to continue the cycle and keep ignorance and ignorance. It's like the tale that ignorance is bliss. But what did I remind you of?
Speaker 1:okay, by the time, I warned you that the ending remind me of the truman show to where, uh, I was watching the truman show like a couple of months ago and I never watched it before. But I got to, uh, and I was just out of coincidence because you know, my whole outro is like apparently it was like a truman show reference, but I didn't even know that. So I you know, let me go check out the movie. First 30 seconds into the movie I shed a tear because it just sounded so beautiful right out of the gate what the whole theme of the movie was.
Speaker 1:In the first 30 seconds I was like, oh, I like that, and essentially it's about this guy who grew up in this dome, all his life being filmed for the whole world to see, just to be this one big spectacle. And then eventually he gets out and, by the way, I have like a suspicion that he kind of knew, uh, he was kind of on to something the whole time, but for the most part he did find a way out. And then he was talking to um, what's his face? Christopher's like uh, are you sure you want this life outside these walls? Because we offer you safety, we offer you a world that's better than the world outside, and Truman is like nah, I need to see for myself still, instead of just hiding behind that shelter and what not. Truman is like nah, let me out of here.
Speaker 1:I'm out. I fucking love that movie man.
Speaker 3:A lot of the times I'm out, I'm out. I fucking love that movie man A lot of the times during the movie. You'll see that he's already been suspecting for quite a bit, because every time anybody says anything to him it kind of just already sounds like a commercial. So, then his wife starts doing it more often. That's when he fucking goes like what the fuck is going on, dude? Like why are you even saying that? I mean, we're having fucking breakfast, but I see what you mean when it comes to Big O.
Speaker 1:I see what you mean. It just kind of reminds you of that existential crisis like what is my purpose? Like, what can I really do with full autonomy of my actions, and all that is like would you rather stay in the bubble that you're in and, uh, be safe in your complacency and whatnot, or would you rather risk it all and um, see the world for what it is and how beautiful and how ugly it can be? And, with that being said, tell us what is your thoughts on Big O.
Speaker 2:I mean short, simple and sweet. It's method. So what do you think it's going to be up there in the top? What do you think?
Speaker 2:It's going to be up there in the top tier, like, however, I am going to say legitimately that Big O is one of those mecha that I can, those that definitely gets a redo because, like, there are a lot of things that I feel like needs to be fleshed out better, like, as kids don't get me wrong we were there for the fights, but when you look at the storyline and everything else, the storyline could be done a lot better. Yes, storyline, storyline could be fleshed out a lot better and I feel like I feel like that's.
Speaker 2:That's one of those things that now, hey, should somebody just be like, oh, you know, we want to go the route that we're trying to do for a, for a Soul leader, hey, we're going to redo it. I could redo this and just refresh out some of this stuff and everything else and like it. You know, it'll actually do. Well, I feel like it would.
Speaker 3:Oh, I definitely agree If they bring that anime nowadays With the fucking quality that we're getting now. I mean, anime lovers are eating Amazing this year, dandaran Fucking Jujutsu Kaisen.
Speaker 1:Dragon Ball Diamond.
Speaker 3:Dude, dragon Ball Is getting like huge Take up out of fucking nowhere. I mean, if they bring, if they would bring this next year by 2025 and decide, hey, we're gonna actually Pick up Big O, it would. It actually would be Really good anime and it would probably have better jazz too, which In and in itself already had Great jazz. Let me tell you, I'll pick up a cigarette. I was what? Five years old. I'll pick up shit. I'll pick up a cigarette right now. I'll fucking smoke it. When you talk about man.
Speaker 1:Honestly it did. In some moments it just had you in your feels. But, to be fair, uh, kind of like what untilel was alluding to. Yes, I do believe that Big O Definitely deserves like A redo, because even though Big O garnered both praise, it also had some criticism To, even though we do appreciate it for what it is, especially with the film noir aesthetics and the mecha action, because, hey man, giant robots fighting each other. We're simple people in that aspect. However, there are some things that I can't gloss over. One pacing issues. One of the main things was the pacing. Was that the pacing?
Speaker 1:Some people were saying that the show Alternates too frequently Between slow dialogue, heavy scenes and fast paced action, which can disrupt the overall flow and make it difficult to maintain engagement. Two the plot got a little complex when it was like it kind of lauded in its depth and intricacy, but some people thought that it was overly complicated and difficult to follow and narrative filled with philosophical themes and existential questions which, while intriguing, can leave audiences confused or unsatisfied if not fully explained. 3 the ending came off abrupt to where it's been a point of contention to many fans, where it ended on a cliffhanger. It left, like several unresolved plot threads, leading to some frustration among some viewers and fans who were looking for a more conclusive resolution to the story. That's my main thing, even though, mirajang, you said that you liked the ending, and I appreciate that you like the ending, I'm gonna let you have that, but for me I felt like I'm one, I'm in that camp, so I'm like what the fuck was that ending, you know? Uh, four character development roger smith, dorothy. Although I like them for what they are, I felt like there could have been more. I'm like there just had to be like a little bit more juice to them in a sense.
Speaker 1:Five visual style. Some people were saying, oh well, you know, it was kind of a little heavy use on the shadows and monochromatic color schemes made it the series, um, visually mon uh, monotonous, and I'm like I kind of get that. But once again it was like a 90s, early 2000s show. So I forgive it for that nature, but you y'all got a point. I'm like, yeah, I can see that, but it doesn't bother me, that's just something. So, despite the criticism it did still holds up as a cult classic with a dedicated fanbase, as you can see here, appreciated for bold storytelling and unique artistic direction. That's just my two cents on that. Y'all got anything else y'all want to add on to Big O, like favorite Megadeuce design or favorite character? Oh you know what?
Speaker 3:do actually I do have here. Let me, let me get. Let me get it right quick, because I actually like this mic a lot hold on before you say that.
Speaker 1:Um, two characters I want to bring up that I didn't mention yet, uh, angel and short Angel and Schwarzwald. First of all, angel I like how she had that whole cat woman like female love interest going on with Rod, even though it wasn't really there, but it was almost like kind of alluding there. But once again, I just kind of wish her character's story was like a little bit more fleshed out, a little bit it was more like she was here and there, but it's almost like eh.
Speaker 3:I have this one that I really liked. I thought it was pretty cool. For the viewers that can't see what I'm talking about, it's a mecha. It's white with a triangle on it I don't remember any of these. It's white with a triangle on its head. I don't remember any of these names, but it had a triangle on its chest. It was blue and it was white with red lines. The knuckles were really cool. The knuckles were really cool. To be honest, that was one of my favorite mechas. Big O was cool, but it was too simple. And one of the things that you said, jay, it's like his character development. I mean, he did have some character development, but he was already. You know his character was already there. You know what I mean. Like he was already. He already was what he needed to be for the whole show and maybe a little bit of change.
Speaker 1:Hold on. You said he was like bluish With uh Trim and what not.
Speaker 3:Okay, so it's one with a triangle on his chest. Uh huh, it was like a blue triangle and it's just really cool. He was all white and he had like black bracers type of arms.
Speaker 2:He was really cool.
Speaker 1:That was Big Fowl.
Speaker 3:Big Fowl. That was a cool one that had a cool design. What about you guys? What do you feel? What Mecca seems feel Like? What make?
Speaker 1:a scene Like uh-huh. Honestly, I was kind of been a big duo, like I mean Big O is cool, like because you know color black, like that's the main draw for me with Big O. But as far as like design-wise I. But as far as like design wise I thought big duo was um good because you know, like flying and shit. Basically I would say um, big duo was like I picture big o and big duo like bloodsport and on peacemaker, where it's like oh oh, he does exactly what I do, but better.
Speaker 2:No, for real.
Speaker 1:But oh yeah, the guy that was probably in Big Duel, schwarzwald, he's like okay, if Roger Smith is Batman, this dude is like either Joker or Hush. And it's funny because, you know, with the bandages he kind of does look like Hush but he kind of acts like Joker. To where? Essentially With Schwarzwald? He's a former journalist turned antagonist. He's obsessed with uncovering the truth About Paradigm City's past, often in class with Roger and Big Duo, and the thing is antagonist, he's obsessed with uncovering the truth about paradigm city's past. Um, often in class with roger and big duo. And the thing is it's kind of like you know how, uh, joker kind of antagonized batman but in a weird way joker is kind of on to something. It's kind of same thing with schwarzwald. Here it's where I'm like yeah, he's the antagonist, but like hold on, let him go. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:But yeah, that's pretty much all my Actually. Yeah, that's pretty much all I had to say about the whole series. Like it was pretty solid. I will give it my word to rate it Eight out of 10.
Speaker 1:Just kind of with it, with like a little bit more to the characters, and if anything major I would change is the ending. Otherwise I loved it. But yeah, y'all got anything else I want to add on this series I mean I hear you all.
Speaker 4:I do wish there was more to the characters. I do, uh. But I'm gonna just say why I like the ending, because I I feel called out. Okay, I feel a little bit like I would just say the reason I like the ending is because it loves.
Speaker 1:Yes, criticize the ending lover.
Speaker 3:Not at all, not at all. Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Get your tomatoes ready.
Speaker 3:Wow, so that's what we're doing you let her, let, let her be. Let's see what we get. I want, I want let me cook.
Speaker 4:But no, really, the reason I really enjoyed the ending is because it was ambiguous. I think that's humanity in itself. We struggle with holding tension and I think even the ending proves we struggle with holding the tension of an unfinished ending. Having open beliefs or opening questions left unsolvedolved.
Speaker 1:That's the mystery of life in general hold up we just talked about samurai shampoo and be like hold on, like it wasn't. It didn't feel like a ending, but it's more. Everybody just went their separate ways. You know it's like, oh well, you know it is what it is. It just happens like that in life and I'm like, okay, I can see it in that aspect where I'm like, eh well, you know, just kind of leave the ending open ended and I'm like, eh, you know, I guess. So it's more like you know, just kind of like reset the whole thing to where, yeah, let's go, just go back to the status quo yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 4:It's basically that same ideology like it's, but I think because I can see why people could feel that way because these are deeper questions. These are deeper questions. These are things you want answers to, just as a general human being, like what's my purpose? What do I mean in this moment? Where do I come from? How am I this way? These are questions you want the answers to. So, and I think Big O did a good job of bringing those questions to your mind but also leaving you to deal with that. I think it left you to hold that tension, just as a human. But that's why I like the ending. I give, I give big oh. If I'm gonna rate it, let me go ahead and rate it. I'm gonna rate big oh. I'm gonna give it a 4 out of 5. Because I can't give it a 3, but I'm going to give it a 4 out of 5.
Speaker 3:I was about to say a 4 out of 10. Jesus Christ, Miriam.
Speaker 1:Sometimes we do 1 through 10. Sometimes we do the 5-star rating, Sometimes we do the grade system. It really depends on what we're in the mood for Right now. I just did the 1 to 10.
Speaker 3:The skill rating I would rate the same. To be honest, it wasn't bad. It just some of the times it just fucking slows out. But to be honest, the stories were not bad at all. They were where they had to be. But Some, some characters it just shouldn't have been the way that they were designed. I feel like some characters if they would have changed just slightly, a little bit of their personality.
Speaker 4:Are you talking about Dorothy? You talk about Dorothy? I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Don't you talk about my girl. She had the slickest mouth in the show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she did have like a little sober tone to her.
Speaker 3:She did. She was pretty cool Sometimes.
Speaker 4:We don't have to say that we don't. That's it. No one wants to mention her.
Speaker 3:I didn't want to say that it was her. I just wanted to kind of point out that maybe some of them maybe just one character, one, one, one character.
Speaker 4:Just.
Speaker 3:One character just changes a little bit of the way they are. But uh, I'm not saying you know, I'm not saying that's the order, I'm saying it's just one.
Speaker 4:Say it with your chest. Say it with your chest.
Speaker 3:Look, I my chest hurts. You know I ate some pasta earlier. You know I got some chest pain.
Speaker 1:We're going to need you to stand on business right now.
Speaker 3:I got a little bit of chest pain it's causing I can't Look. I'm not saying that it's hurt, I'm just if I were saying I'm just super sane, you know what I mean. I'm not saying that it's her, I'm just, if I were sane, I'm just super sane, you know what I mean. I'm just I'm going to leave it at that. Oh my God, I'm just saying maybe it could have been two, it could have been two characters, you know.
Speaker 4:What are you trying to say about Norman?
Speaker 3:I plead the fifth I plead the motherfucking fifth.
Speaker 4:So what I see is you got problems with the button.
Speaker 3:Okay, I know, I know, I don't I don't got problems with. Maybe it could be three characters. You know, I'm just I'm just saying, it could be three characters. You know, I don't know, it could be, I'm just I'm just saying that's it, okay, alright, I'm the captain of the fucking.
Speaker 2:I really hated it.
Speaker 4:I really hated his character, Bro, fuck dude.
Speaker 3:Open your fucking mind for two seconds. Quit the crack bro.
Speaker 4:You're supposed to be the head of the police.
Speaker 3:I swear to God, I thought he was on crack, dude. How the fuck are you not noticing this? There's a pattern in here. It's not the first, it's not the second. God forbid it would be the third. It's been multiple times already, bro. How the fuck do you not see? Look, it's like if Bruce Wayne just came flying down the fucking rooftop of Gotham City's police department and it's just Bruce, just fucking Bruce, right after he fucking fights I don't know, bane just across the street, not even a block away, dude, it's literally across the street. And Gordon's like yeah, that's not God, man, that's not him at all, but no Photograph evidence.
Speaker 3:Nope, not him. Nope Video, Nope.
Speaker 4:Slanderous.
Speaker 3:Look, bruce Wayne is in his house right now having a fucking medium rare steak. Bet you right now that if I call him, bruce Wayne is gonna fucking pick up, and then that's just not him freaking calls him right across the street. There he is in his face, airs on the phone yeah, and it's like superman's fucking theme song that's up on plane. Oh God, because they're bros like that. Dude, this fucking cop from the show was just fucking so good.
Speaker 4:I get it. Alright. Here's the real question Alfred or Norman, who winning?
Speaker 1:Man, listen, I'm sorry. Nothing against Norman, he's cool and all, but he can never be Alfred. He can never be Alfred. Alfred had the fucking hands and, uh, mysterious, you know, like Alfred just had like this. He kind of had a utility belt, just like Batman built. It's more like you probably have, like I kind of wish they did Pennywise or you know, Alfred dude.
Speaker 3:Alfred headbutted Superman and broke his fucking nose.
Speaker 4:That's true, big facts. I forgot about that.
Speaker 3:He fucking. He pulled back and he said I'm gonna have so much fun with this shit. Fucking cut a lamb into his face and he was like I'm not done, I'm gonna beat the shit out of you right now. I just let me get my forehead in place, but I'm gonna beat the shit out of you now. And he fucking proceeds to beat the shit out of him. He knocked his ass back to fucking Krypton bro and he fucking brought him right back and he said I'm done, oh my god, oh my god god, Okay, so Alfred hands down winning.
Speaker 4:I see y'all, I see.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you something youngin'. I been running the page since the 60s. There ain't nothing new.
Speaker 3:He'll crack his knuckles and be like I took care of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 kids and raised them all To fucking kill bitches like you Smack. Two, three, four, five kids and raise them all to fucking kill bitches like you Smack smack smack.
Speaker 4:Ooh, okay.
Speaker 3:One of the things that I love about Alfred is that he, as old as he is, never backs down. He'll take on a super. He'll fucking take any supes dude. He'll take on a super Like. He'll fucking take any supes dude. He'll take on any of them Face to face and he'll be like I'm still human, but I'm gonna fucking bring your fucking ass down. And if he can't fight him, he'll convince him. If you think that Bruce has a fucking silver tongue, no, alfred, that man knows how to talk his way out of bullshit I mean think about.
Speaker 1:Alfred was basically um, bruce's father when all thompson martha died. You know, like being raised by alfred well, not by himself, you know. You know racial ghoul and all that, but you know what I'm saying. Like you know, alfred was like a father figure to Bruce. He got to learn from somewhere.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but both of these people, both of these butlers, they did pick up martial arts, so if you were to put them in a fight together, I guess that would be the real question.
Speaker 1:I guess the real question is who's the most resourceful in the fight? Who got the more tricks up his sleeve?
Speaker 4:Oh.
Speaker 2:Oh man, While I love this debate, I gotta go. I love everybody that's been here. I'm going to end it on saying this Passed in the name of God, you're not guilty. Oh yeah, Love y'all I will catch you.
Speaker 1:All right, fellas you take it easy. Thank you for being on the show. Peace fellas. But uh, yeah, like you know, alfred, like no, no diff Alfred.
Speaker 3:Um, resource bias? Uh, let me think. Let me think. I know a lot. I know a lot about alpha and when you come to point at it, it's like this man is extremely resourceful and if he doesn't have a piss, a fucking eagle on his back.
Speaker 1:I'm expecting, like some Dr Schultz, shit, you know, from Django Unchained, where he had that hidden pistol up his sleeve. I'm expecting some shit like that.
Speaker 3:He's always packing dude. I think in Big O's case, the butler, he had a lot of tricks up his sleeve Like he'll come up with some bullshit. But I think on resource-based, I think, yeah, I think outfits still picks up there, I think he's still pretty up there, still picks up there, I think he's so pretty up there. But on dependability, yeah, they're about the same. They're pretty much. The characters are basically the same when you come to look at it.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, yeah, it's like you take the two, put the two together. It's like they have the same function, so it's like they both work well as the butler in that scenario. But if you're talking about fighting each other, I'm like, I'm sorry, but Alfred's track record way too long for you to say that he's gonna lose if you're gonna bring animes here, you guys remember this anime About a kid, rich kid.
Speaker 3:They dress him up to a lolita At one point, black butler.
Speaker 1:Oh, lord Black butler.
Speaker 3:Damn. If you're talking about Black Butler, yo you just damn. There wasn't even like pause there.
Speaker 1:Nah see, if you're talking about Sebastian McHale, I'm sorry, alfred, you're going to lose.
Speaker 4:Sebastian, he winning, he hands down. He the best butler. If I could have a butler.
Speaker 1:He's one hell of a butler man. Hey, hey.
Speaker 4:And he has butler man. Hey, hey, he's a butler too.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, so now I will bring you over to. I reincarnated as a fly Go Go. I want to see what you guys stand on that. I want that shit marinated. Wait, is there a?
Speaker 2:but Butler character from that show, Dude fuck.
Speaker 3:Diablo.
Speaker 4:I'm still thinking Sebastian Lin.
Speaker 3:So if you haven't seen Reincarnated as a Slime, there's this one point where our protagonist, what he does, is he becomes a demon lord. And as he becomes a demon lord, he tries summoning another one to be a part of his army. He wanted the strongest one. What he got was a character named Diablo. Come to find out. This guy's the fucking primordial. He's one of the oldest of the oldest, and almost every single demon knows this fucker, if not every single demon knows this fucker. What he did come to find out later on, he eliminated all the competition, because summoning a demon lord is like a gotcha game Whatever fucking comes out comes out. But he eliminated the competition because he really wanted to be his butler and he eliminated every single other possible demon that exists that could have been summoned, just so he was the only one to get summoned. He every that could have been summoned, just so he was the only one to get summoned. Oh shit, he. Every single one.
Speaker 3:I don't even think there's a fucking number, but apparently it's a lot of them, because the other demons were fucking shit in their pants when they saw Diablo fucking come out the doors when he was trying to have a fucking conversation with the other demon lords the protagonist was reunited and as soon as they saw this fucker, they were like what the fuck is this guy doing here? You're a fucking maniac. You are absolutely insane for even summoning this fucker. Why would you? You could have summoned literally anybody else and you summoned this maniac. And I was like, well, yeah, he's just a bro. What am I going to say? He's just a bro, he's just here to help. I was like, yeah, I'm just here to help, I'm just serving him drinks. That's all I'm doing. That's it. That's all I'm doing. I'm just chilling. I'm not really going to do anything. What are you talking about? So, Black Butler or Reincarnated as a Slime? I'm going to put that in a poll one of these days.
Speaker 4:You should. That's a good poll. We need to have a Butler's Battle. That's what we need.
Speaker 1:I mean, we plan on doing something like that. It just you know I'll talk to y'all about it off the record, but I plan on doing something like that in 2025.
Speaker 3:If you guys see Overlord, Overlord, I saw a ghoul's butler, that's true.
Speaker 4:You know what. We just don't have to. That changed the game a little bit.
Speaker 3:I'm telling you I don't rule the world because I'm too fucking lazy man. I'm just on a ball.
Speaker 4:Alright, guys, I gotta head out. I gotta go walk a dog.
Speaker 1:Alright. Well, we're pretty much done talking about Big O anyway, so we might as well go ahead and wrap this up. Thank you, dear listener, for listening to the end, and I do thank Telos, gundam, saitama Smash and Mirror Jane for joining me on this episode. Dear listener, remember to stay nerdy and that great things are coming. We got a whole bunch of reviews that we got in the works, so just stay tuned for that. Until then, have yourself a good morning, good afternoon, good night, and also remember that cats, in the name of God, ye not guilty peace out guys, bye.
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