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X-Men: The Xtreme Review (Reboot Movies)
What if the X-Men movies we love and loathe are more interconnected than we realize? Join us as we dissect the X-Men prequels and reboots, including "X-Men: First Class," "Days of Future Past," "X-Men: Apocalypse," "X-Men: Dark Phoenix," and "The New Mutants". We'll share our thoughts on the highs and lows of these films, from the masterful character development in "First Class" to the more questionable creative choices in the later movies. Expect a lively discussion on standout moments, including the unforgettable Wolverine cameo, and the complex relationships between beloved characters like Charles Xavier and Magneto.
Ever wondered which mutants could join the Marvel Cinematic Universe next? We speculate on the future of the MCU, diving deep into the potential introduction of key storylines like Onslaught and House of M. Will James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender reprise their roles as Professor X and Magneto? How might their inclusion impact the MCU's expansive narrative? We also reflect on "X-Men: First Class," its replay value, and the nuanced dynamics between Magneto and Mystique, offering both thoughtful insights and a few laughs along the way.
Finally, we'll critique the handling of iconic characters and story arcs in "X-Men: Days of Future Past," from the enhanced abilities of the Sentinels to the controversial alteration of key roles like Kitty Pryde's. Plus, we tackle the "trilogy curse" in movies and analyze the shortcomings of "The New Mutants." Was "Dark Phoenix" doomed from the start? Tune in to find out as we explore the cinematic rollercoaster that is the X-Men franchise and debate what the future holds for our favorite mutants.
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all righty, continuing the x-men extreme review with the prequel, slash, reboot movies. I guess it's gonna be encapsulating the following x-men first class. We got days of future past, we got x-men apocalypse, x-men dark phoenix, and I have to talk about the new new mutants too, and I guess the gifted. I completely forgot about the gifted. I like I slightly remember the new mutants. I'm like, okay, I kind of forgot about them and I'm like, okay, let me look into them. But it wasn't up until like right up to recording, like I'm not even that, like I want to say, like two days before I was getting ready for this review, I was like just minding my own business, looking through shit and then, next thing, you know, I'm like hey, oh you, oh, the gifted. I'm like wait, what wait? That's x-Men. No, no, no, fuck. Can I talk about it, fuck? So anyway, let's go ahead and get into it.
Speaker 1:X-men First Class, set primarily in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and focuses on the relationship between Charles Xavier and Eric Lynch, aka Magneto, and the origin of their groups, the X-men and the brotherhood mutants respectively, as they deal with the hellfire club led by sebastian shaw, a mutant supremacist bent on enacting nuclear war. Now I'm gonna be honest with you, this section of the x-men movies that gives me mixed feelings, because half these movies are decent and the other half it's just. It just makes me groan. It's just now, between the success of x-men 97 and deadpool and wolverine being the flagship film for the upcoming mutant saga of the mcu. I pray that they get the characters right in the third time. And, of course, the cinema goes same for Fantastic Four, because, oh, I am so glad I waited to do the X-Men reboot movies now, because we just heard last night that at the San Diego Comic-Con, that at the San Diego Comic Con, robert Downey Jr is coming back as Dr Doom, the infamous Iron man, and I'm all for it. So, with that being said, let's go ahead and talk about X-Men First Class with my personal impression Now, back then, back in the day when I was like younger, this was my personal favorite like this is the one movie where I could see this on repeat and I would still love it.
Speaker 1:But I felt like most, at least in first class, most of the characters feel like actual characters, like they didn't feel like they were just there. It's not like storms, we're just kind of like oh well, you know we gotta have storm because you can't have the x-man or storm. But she just stood there for the most part and I'm like, I guess, but in first class it was better, in my opinion was better. Um, mystique is char' Adopted sister. Now, um, that doesn't feel right, because it would have felt better if it was like Juggernaut, because you know, juggernaut is actually Um, perfected as Um step brother, but Mystique as his adopted Sister.
Speaker 1:That was a weird move. And why do they do our boy, darwin, like that? I I am so glad I'm finally able to talk about that moment in the actual review, because you got rid of this one dude that could survive damn near anything and you were like, hey, my boy, eat this. I hated it, I hated it. And also slick racism from Sebastian Shaw you know how he's giving that speech and like we can either be enslaved. And you look right at Darwin, the camera pan Darwin like whoa, whoa hold on hold on.
Speaker 1:What y'all trying to say, like why can't, why y'all gotta make it about that. You know there was a funny wolverine cameo where you like he told um xavier and uh eric to go fuck themselves, and like that was like it was genuinely good in that scene, because you know you expect wolverine to say something like that. But then they started doing that a lot in X-Men movies and I'm like I don't know, it doesn't sound very convincing coming from y'all, but I can't imagine Wolverine messing you up and shit Yellow jumpsuits. They finally added yellow jumpsuits and I like how X-Men 97 made that joke to where oh, what do you expect Black leather? And I like how X-Men 97 made that joke to wear oh, what did you expect Black leather. And I'm like I loved it.
Speaker 1:But what I didn't love is that Wishcom Magneto costume at the end, where I'm like why y'all making that boy dressed like that? Why y'all doing Michael Baskin like that? I mean, it looks better in the later films, but at first cost I'm like, okay, I could tell you, it was like one of those things where the first costume's not gonna look that good. But give them time, let them cook. It might look better in later films, but, gentlemen, tell us, kokigasu, how y'all feeling about First Class All right.
Speaker 3:So let me make some real correction here. All right, so these are relatively what you want to call prequels. They're not supposed to be reboots. They have reboot features, yes, reboots. They have reboot features, yes, but they're relatively not reboots. But then they are reboots Because, hey, if you look at it, one especially within this time frame and timeline, phoenix is not supposed to be that early.
Speaker 3:Yeah, phoenix is relatively not supposed to be that early, which means Scott's supposed to stay dead. But because of how things went, because of what they knew at the time, oh, we're going to do things this way, that way, and the third they needed to bring Scott back to life. So I get it. So, yeah, but it's supposed to be prequels. They're supposed to be prequels. That aside, right, I love the movies. Yeah, a lot of folks are like, oh, my folks can go, these were garbage. No, no, they weren't. Like with the first ones, they weren't garbage. You got first one, they weren't garbage. You got to think You're basing them off of how Marvel is cooking now.
Speaker 3:Yes, marvel has stepped up in Marvel cooking. Marvel cooking with the gas. That got the seasoning. Marvel cooking with the seasoning. Right, and I'm here for it. I wish Marvel? Is that Marvel cooking with the seasoning right? And I'm here for it. I wish it's Marvel. Is that black grandma in the kitchen that know where the spice rack is? Dc? Is that white woman that literally don't know. She new to everything, brand new. It ain't been seasoned and broken and I don't like it. But other than that, here's the thing.
Speaker 2:Real quick. So does that mean that during them times when Marvel had the messed up TV shows and stuff, that was when they decided to let that auntie that don't know how to cook decide to cook for a little bit Is?
Speaker 3:that what you're trying to say. That's kind of what it was when it really wasn't registered under Marvel, you know, when it wasn't registered under Marvel and it was messing up at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Hey, man who cooked this who made this potato salad, that boy?
Speaker 2:You need to know, because I need to know, I love it.
Speaker 3:But yes, so literally that's what's going on. But yes, with First Class, I love it. It was overall Great, good once again, everything that we reviewed. A lot of people are like, oh man, they're trash. No, they were Good for their time. They were good for their time. So I don't want to hear that whole oh they're nah Give them what they were due, cause at the time they were great and first class Literally brought us back Into the confines of hey, how did Xavier Get to where he is? What happened? Let's see how this goes. So, yes, this is why I said I love Overall. I gave X-Men First Class. At least I gave it an 8 out of 10.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:For aspects that, yes, it could have done a little bit better, but once again, I know Marvel's cooking, marvel's just beginning stages of getting cooking. Yeah, that's my thing.
Speaker 1:I never hated First Class the whole thing with Darwin. Again, I know Marvel's cooking. Marvel's just beginning stages of getting cooking. Yeah, that's my thing. I never hated first class the whole thing with Darwin. That was the only thing that pissed me off, Other than that other than that I didn't hate it. What about you, coco Glossy?
Speaker 3:That was the biggest thing for me. Go ahead, coco Glossy, you got it.
Speaker 2:You're good. My son has some stuff he wants to say too, because he's been upset Every single time. Y'all mention Darwin, listen, literally you hear him every single time. He just knows, he just knows. Look. So, first class, when I first watched it, I enjoyed it. It was one of those ones that I'm like I did like the X-Men. But I'm going to be very honest onto this. Put on my big boy pants. I didn't really read that much of the X-Men at the time when I was watching first class. Just being honest, I was excited for the movies and stuff. But, look, I was upset because I was like y'all, they did my boy. Gambit, dirty Gambit was my favorite X-Men. I was like, let me get experimentation. You know it made it feel like, oh, we're starting to get some good X-Men characters. And then, you know, we already reviewed and we talked about X3. When X3 had came out, I was like I feel like they dropped some stuff, like I'm just not quite hitting it.
Speaker 1:Coco Gaston, I'm not going to say much, but be careful what you wish for.
Speaker 2:Right, right. And so then we got first class. If you know, it was not horrible. It was not horrible, but it wasn't the best and it was obviously. Think about it this way. We know for a fact that the writers do not fully read everything and not getting the full understanding of the comments. They're just trying to make up little stories onto stuff. So it kind of got some of those moments you'd be like, yeah, like you mentioned professor x and the steep, I was like, okay, you know, okay, changing up a little bit, okay, gotcha, we're gonna just go along with it. I guess we'll make it happen. And then we got. I don't hate it.
Speaker 2:Right. And how is it that always the best character is always Magneto? You know what I mean. Is this one of those ones?
Speaker 1:I hate it, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Why do you need Magneto to carry? That's one of the biggest things. Let's look at it in this aspect here. When you have good writing, every character should be able to flesh out as they are. So if you start off and if you take Magneto out of this movie, how well was this movie for you? Everything really was Wait wait, wait.
Speaker 1:If I'm talking about the whole quadrilogy, if you can even call it that First class, it wouldn't work. Days of Future Past it could work. Apocalypse it could work if there was a more compelling villain I'll get to it when we get there Darth Phoenix. It wouldn't even make sense for him to even be there.
Speaker 2:So I get into that, but I mean specifically first class.
Speaker 1:Yeah, first class, it would not work.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. It's like you needed him to help carry the film, and that lets you know how much we're not fleshing out on all the other characters. So the second character that we get the most flesh out of is going to be charles xavier, and the only thing that I can really give really good props into is this they show that he is human, with in a massive amount of power, and as much as he's like, I want to use the my power the best way that I can, I I am going to make mistakes Because I'm going to think this is what I need to do, this is what's best for everyone, and he has the most dangerous ability of all. He can change your mind onto that.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on. I'm sorry, real quick. Talos theory time. What is the likelihood of us seeing Onslaught in the MCU?
Speaker 3:Oh, oh, oh, highly Never Highly.
Speaker 1:Highly.
Speaker 3:So here's the reason why I say it's highly right, because right now mutes are just not getting. So, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, turns of all ages, hi, it's time to take off the mecha hat and put on the conspiracy theorist hat. So let me make Coco's Got Some Brain whirl around real quick, right? So here we go. Ah, it's very likely because we're now beginning mutants, we're now just bringing mutants back. Okay, so, with mutants, they have several timelines that they can go to, one in which is where mutants literally go and form their own community. We're already there a lot of times in the comics. That's one, two Onslaught. Reason being for Onslaught is because the people that they're trying to get for Professor X and Magneto, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yeah, yeah folks, yeah, yeah, ooh, ooh. And see, there's a third one that they have not revealed yet, which I'm speculating. This is just me, I'm speculating. This is just me, I'm speculating. House of M.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you would think that between WandaVision and Multiverse of Madness was kinda Leading up to House of M anyway. So I feel like at this point you might as well Just let the cat out of the bag and throw in Mephisto and everything. You might as well. At this point you might as well like just let the cat out of the bag and like throw in Mephisto and everything, like you might as well at this point you already set it up.
Speaker 3:And see, here's the thing on that one right Throwing Mephisto in this literally once again, folks, this literally ties and brings back Ghost Rider. We will start bringing back Ghost Rider and shit, because Mephisto and Mephistopheles, you know, they kind of play hand-in-hand with each other a little bit.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I mean, at this point I would say, have Mephisto be the main antagonist for Midnight Sun's adaption.
Speaker 3:Once again, there you go, but these are his theories and theories.
Speaker 1:Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2:So Y'all so extra.
Speaker 1:Y'all so extra. I just want to throw that out there Because I was thinking like, hey man, you know what, the way they're sitting up between the fact that James McAvoy and Michael Bassman, I feel like they're young up, between the fact that james mcavoy and michael bassman, I feel like they're young enough to keep going with, uh, xavier and manito respectively, I'm like, hey man, at this point they might as well experiment with an onslaught um storyline. I'm just saying, since we're already gonna get into the mutant saga. So that's just me. Go ahead, you're continue with your thoughts on first class.
Speaker 2:Okay. So pretty much in short, like yeah, I mean it's. It's one of those ones that like there's different things that can kind of carry into it. So if you don't have a certain character, then all of a sudden you're not. You don't feel like you really got that character anymore, you don't really feel like you have that movie, which is something that we've talked about was a big issue that was happening for um with the original series with wolverine, so it was like okay so, but outside of that it still is a good movie. Like it's still rewatchable. You, just you, when you get past certain points.
Speaker 2:But it's one of those ones that you know me, I I nitpick a lot, I have things that I like and I have things that I dislike, and that's just one of my things into it. Like you know what I don't like? This part and that's just my biggest thing into it. But for overall, I can still say the movie is still great, you can still watch it, it's still good to enjoy. Let me let me take the back the word great, because I realize I'm it's still good, so it could be very specific. It's still good to watch, you can watch it, you can still enjoy some of the moments into it.
Speaker 2:My biggest thing for me is also how they did have it, why this dude got a hula hoop in order to do his attack. Why is my man hula hooping, moving his hips left and right and shaky, shaky, shaky in order to be able to do an attack, bro? I'm just saying you know how, you know how messed up that'd be, but like I got sliced to half by a dude that was hula hooping, bro, I don't know how to feel about this if you're gonna take me out, it's not like this let me go out with some respect, some decency.
Speaker 2:Man, come now, give me some decency. So yeah, I had moments. That was not supposed to be funny. That was funny to me Just saying Mystique's character was one that I don't know, and that's a weird thing to say. Into that I put it in this aspect too.
Speaker 1:Because you know the one scene, the memeable scene, to where I'm like I want to see the real Mystique. And then it's like, okay, I'll just age it down to like her usual human form, but no, the real Raven. And then it's like, turned into her blue form, it's like perfection. I'm like I kind of. I mean, you know how, with Magneto and Mystique, they have like this Partnership, um, look, Magneto be pulling the hose.
Speaker 2:Let's be honest on that man 97 with Rogue and obviously Mystique In the Frequency Not just Frequency original series too. She was dedicated. She broke him out of prison Not just because he was like, oh, he's the leader of the brotherhood and nothing like that. She broke him out of prison. That's dedication what he got, bro. That's the thing. Does he do stuff with his magnetisms that you're just not prepared for? I don't know, never mind, let me stop. But yeah, overall, like that's just kind of my general thing into it.
Speaker 1:So I mean me personally I have to say a 6.5 or 7 out of 10 I mean you could say that there's just something about magneto's uh charisma to where um mutants want to gravitate to him.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, I knew you was going to come up with something.
Speaker 3:So, fun fact, Fun fact, we're here. We're here. Fun fact, in one iteration of this which they were supposed to be, which is normally what we all know, mystique is Nightcrawler's mother.
Speaker 2:And her father, oh sorry, oh yeah, oh, you know, you know in the comic.
Speaker 3:If you go by the comic narration, there's one that she's his mother and father. There's also one that Magneto's his father, so he's supposed to be the sibling To Wanda and Quicksilver.
Speaker 1:True, which didn't make sense, but yeah, true. Didn't they say that Azazel, who's in First class, is supposed to be Nightcrawler's father? I mean, when you think about it, just look at him, just side by side.
Speaker 2:Come on, okay, if you look at it in that aspect. Do you really think Mystique was gonna go to Azazel in that iteration?
Speaker 1:Not in that iteration. No, let's see yes, no, no, I'm not gonna say it, go ahead so right we also know that Rogue was supposed to be quote unquote his mother.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so there was a point in the timeline that doesn't get talked about as much, but where Rogue is his mother that makes me think about in this weird aspect.
Speaker 2:Imagine, like in rick and morty, imagine if morty and summer, like summer, winds up being morty's mom. I mean, they already indirectly made a baby together in the series, so like that's how wrong. That just seems to me. This wasn't a fun fact, this was an unfun fact, so we can change that title y'all got anything else on first class? Disturbing facts from Talos. This is not even disturbing facts.
Speaker 3:This is facts that literally are floating around the universe, or I just want to say these are things that are on different earths right now that this one can't this is that one moment I saw, with Crisis on Infinite Earths, that maybe other timelines do need to be destroyed, because what the heck?
Speaker 1:alright, alright, excuse me. Maybe other timelines do need to be destroyed, because what the heck? Alright, excuse me. X-men Days of Future Past that, years after the event of the Wolverine, this one features the cast of the original X-Men trilogy and X-Men First Class. Now, this story was inspired by the uncanny X-Men trilogy and X First Class.
Speaker 1:Now, this story was inspired by the uncanny X-Men comic book storyline featuring Wolverine going back in time to 1973, to prevent an assassination that, if carried out, will lead to the creation of the Sentinels. That threatens the existence of mutants and possibly humanity if they, like you know, get bored and I'm like, hey, man, so we just got rid of all the mutants, and possibly humanity if they, like you know, get bored and I'm like, hey, man, so we just got rid of all the mutants. So what's the point of us? You know, mind, if I take a humanity quick notes personally for me on days of future past, I thought it was a great send off to the original X mentality, or at least at first, until you know. But this was a great send-off to the original X-Men trilogy, or at least at first, until you know. But this was the movie that was supposed to retcon the last stand with how, like we didn't like how, oh well, they just killed all the Cyclops and all these other characters. So they kind of reboot what happened in the trilogy with Days of Future Past. It also kind of they say they're all a retcon first class into becoming a prequel to x1. So I'm like I mean, we already kind of knew that.
Speaker 1:But whatever, sentinels are even scarier in this movie because you know, they have, like that mystique, uh, shape-shifting ability, like they like copy abilities, and it was like they were like actually smart, especially when that one mutant that could, uh, create, uh, wormholes and whatnot, and then the sentinel jumped through and they're like, whoa, what's up? And they look back. I was like, oh, it's stabbing through their hair, you know. I was like, oh, that's kind of smart. Okay, okay, xavier injects himself with a serum that allows him to walk temporarily, and you don't see that anymore. So I'm like, so y'all just dropped it for some reason, I don't know that one quick super scene was good, uh, where he just stopped time. Well, he didn't really stop talking about, he was just going so fast that he was just running around on the walls and all that, and everybody loved that scene. But for the most part days of future. Past. It was like I I didn't hate it, it was good. Now look at what you got on Days of Future.
Speaker 2:Past. You're starting with me on this one right now. Okay, that was a mistake. My pocket didn't did that Anyway. So look General thing into this X-Men Days of Future Past. It started off so bloody and I was like like, oh my goodness, we have an r-rated film, this is about to be legit, we about to really do something. And then they they sent wolverine back into the past, which, even though it's supposed to be, is an iteration. It's one of those ones that a lot of I know a lot of fans were really upset, because it was like you use wolverine to replace another character.
Speaker 1:You use a green shadow cat yeah, and it's like, why not?
Speaker 2:let us like, why not write this person? Why not let kitty get a chance to do something? You know she, as I've already mentioned, I did not like the way they wrote her in in x3, like that was I mean in X3 it was like she had a cameo, like she had a cameo in X1, but she was barely used at all in the trilogy.
Speaker 1:That's what they like. It's almost like she finally got some shine in X3, but even then it was like it wasn't enough to make us feel attached to her. Like if you gave us more of her, like even a little bit more in X2, maybe we might feel so. I don't know. That's kind of how they fumbled the bag with you. Did you know that cyborg was in like more x-men movies other than, uh, apocalypse? Because I'm like, okay, a little cameo in um x3 and a little cameo maybe like we're not 100 sure, but maybe like a little cameo in all origins. Wolverine, where you know the kids was like escaping, whatnot, but, um, the fact that, uh, sometimes they use some characters but they barely do a thing, like colossus, and I'm like I feel nothing for this version of the character because they barely do anything before they actually matter in a certain movie.
Speaker 2:Very true, very true. So it's one of those ones. It's like like, why would you take, why would you not give Kitty an opportunity to be a character in the MCU? Well, not so much. Well, not wasn't MCU yet what's the point? My son hates badly written characters.
Speaker 1:You can hear him what's even the point of adding gene gray to any of this shit. If you're gonna like speed through the dark phoenix storyline and like he barely does anything in like the previous movies or you know, one or two moves, depending on which um trilogy or the quadrilogy. It's like she does next to nothing in the previous movie and then finally it's like, okay, you know what, let's just go for starrick phoenix with this one and I'm like bro, like you barely gave us time to feel anything for her all right, I do.
Speaker 2:you want better? Why is jean gray? Because one of the biggest things about it is the fact. The biggest downfall is the fact that Jean Grey as far as most people because obviously, unless you're a comic book fan you don't really know Jean Grey is still powerful in herself. Jean Grey is still a character outside of Dark Phoenix, but now, anytime you look up Jean Grey, you're only going to find Dark Phoenix. But now, anytime you look up Jean Grey, you're only going to find Dark Phoenix. It's like her as a character has been completely overshadowed and erased by the Phoenix Force, like she's only important because of Dark Phoenix and that's not fair to her. She was actually a very important character to the.
Speaker 1:X-Men. I mean it's either that or her alternate personality on Madeline Pryor as of X-Men 97. Where that got a lot of attention.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. It's like why not give her that opportunity to shine? And you notice it's happened so much. It's like you have good characters that should have an opportunity they take it away from you Right.
Speaker 1:It's just like you have good characters that should have an opportunity. They take it away from you, right. Tell us how you feeling about Days of Pitch Past.
Speaker 3:Alright, first and foremost, let me break something up real quick. Alright, so a lot of people were like, oh my god, why are the sentinels like this? Um, the sentinels that literally Were there, they are a copy. I say copy Because, literally, you copied off of A lot of the ones that literally Come up after Nimrod, right, right. And for those of you who don't know who, nimrod, is. Nimrod is a Sentinel that Got a lot of fucking nerve. No no, no hold on. Nimrod is, nimrod is, nimrod is. Except that got my fucking nerve.
Speaker 1:He. No, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. Don't let the name fool you like, yeah, it sounds kind of funny, but don't don't let Nimrod put it. Don't put it past Nimrod, bro.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I'm going to tell you right now Nimrod is not one of those ones that you just oh, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3:All right. So Nimrod comes from I'm just giving a little quickie Nimrod comes from Earth 811 or 811, if you will. He also goes by Bastion, nicholas, hunter or Oracle. So yeah, I'm going to tell you something right now. Nimrod can literally transform. Nimrod can Nimrod can. He does a lot. I'm going to be real with you. Nimrod does a lot. Nimrod got on my everlasting nerves in the comics and there does a lot. Nimrod got on my everlasting nerves in the comics and there's a reason being that why Nimrod got on my nerves. Um, because Nimrod was literally used to kill off an entire team. Like he literally killed off an entire team of mutants and it was just like, hey, yeah, that fucking sucked because I loved that entire team, but I digress, I digress, I digress.
Speaker 3:It was one of those things of hey, you know, it is what it is. Nimrod literally shut itself down in the comics, but at the same time, I'm just hitting on it because, hey, these are the Sentinels that you got, because here, Days of Future Past, that's literally where they got this from. Those Sentinels are Nimrods, that's literally what they are. They just took Nimrod, said, hey, you know what we're going to make it where we control them all. Then Nimrod decided no, everybody got to die. That's how they go Overall for Days of Future Past. I liked it, Loved it. It was very great. I mean that Very much so great. Only thing I didn't really like is the whole fact of I had to get used to because of certain shit. Hey, I had to fucking save your fucking needle to stand up again, the fuck.
Speaker 2:You know what Shock value? Shock value, it wasn't necessarily needed, but it was just shock value. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3:Other than that, you know, hey, like some of this was relatively okay. Quicksilver was a little goopy yeah, not gonna lie to you. And the reason why I say he's a little goopy is because he more so reminds me of a Flash than Quicksilver. Quicksilver, I mostly knew was a hothead, don't get me wrong, he's arrogant.
Speaker 1:But he's, don't get me wrong, he's arrogant, but, like you know, like he's not relatively the goopy yeah, the most fun I remember Quicksilver was X-Men Evolution, because that's like I would say that I did watch the original X-Men animated series but it was one of those uh shows where I Kyle, was like in and out of. But X-Men Evolution was like the main one where I'm like was kind of sticking to, especially between it was like between middle school and high school where the episode was coming out. So yeah, that's where I mainly remember Quicksilver being that hothead speedster and all that yeah, I did like that Quicksilverver scene.
Speaker 2:That quicksilver scene reminded me a lot of like if you keep into the same continuity that quicksilver is the son of magneto. It gives me a lot of remembrance as far as um, what was it? Uh, the breakout for magneto, like it kind of gives me like, as far as like a really great scene of like just really like showing, showcasing how powerful, how good a character can be, and stuff. So to me it was like I had those moments. I'm like good, you know, you see, like a really good moment into that and other than that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I like how people have dissected that quicksilver scene a lot. They dissected it as so much to the point of like, oh, how is it that he was able to see? How did he know? How is this all supposed to go? Is he actually like, how is it that he's able to listen to music? And some people diagnose how that went because, like, how is he able to listen to music? But if he's moving so fast, shouldn't he not be able to listen to music? And they're like oh no, that's actually a field around him per se that winds up moving around. He's able to move the space around him so and it's like that's really what his meaning ability is, and it's like it's a whole bunch of speculations on reddit and a bunch of different things and it's very interesting. People have diagnosed one down like crazy.
Speaker 1:It's almost like it's funny how the links people will go to to defend something they like and I'm like, hey man, more power to you and I'm'm not going to disagree. Just be like that sometimes. No, you know, it makes sense when you think about it.
Speaker 2:People will keep going further and further beyond as far as they want to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anything else on Days of Future Past, because I just thought, you know, oh, I did. Thought it was funny how we have that one guy I forgot the actor's name, but I remember on some shit like National Security he was police captain and whatnot. The black guy that was Trask in Last Stand guy that was Trask in Last Stand and he was supposed to be Trask. The guy that introduced the Sentinel program in X3, but not really in X3, but he was, you know, there. But in Day of the Future Past he was recast by Peter Dinklage and I'm like, okay, I don't got any problem against Peter Dinklage. I'm like, okay, I don't got any problem against Peter Dinklage.
Speaker 1:But I just thought it was kind of funny how like people were mentioning, how like uh, it's kind of like um, with Rhodey, all over again with Iron man, to where, uh, don Cheadle replaced Don Terrence Howard and you know that sort of thing. What else about these people? Matt Nito had to get involved in all. Yeah, that's about it. I pretty much said what I had to say on that. The only other thing that I was mentioning.
Speaker 2:I pretty much said what I had to say on that. The only other thing that I was mentioning is how funny it was when Wolverine got sent back into the past. He was sent back into his past body but stayed his same mind. I guess it was interesting how they did it per se. Oh, we have to send someone back. But the only way we could send someone back in time is if you had been there can't really send you, we can only send your mind back. So it was a way to kind of retcon that a little bit.
Speaker 2:But what was wolverine up to the fact that he woke up with? How he woke up that was probably one of the funniest parts to me in the movie was just like okay, that's pretty funny. Like he was just like even he was confused. He was like what was I doing back then? I didn't even know. I couldn't imagine being that flat out drunk. I'm just saying, but that's all I really got. Um, I just wanted to mention that moment because that one was just pretty funny to me and it's crazy how we went from an extremely serious moment everybody's dying, iceman's death was just brutal. It's crazy. I was like good, god, almighty, and then going from the straight brutal death to just automatically jumped into a comedy sequence and it was. It was interesting. I didn't think it would work but surprisingly, at least for me, it did. So I was like, okay, that's actually pretty funny, but that's all I got gotcha.
Speaker 1:Alright, I'm gonna go ahead and talk about x-men apocalypse, because this is the one where I'm like it's considered the worst one on paper according to the fans, but uh, we'll just see how y'all feel about it. So, set a decade after Days of Future Past and Shabba Nur, aka Apocalypse, because I'm not saying this with both of them, I'll go with that. The first mutant supposedly awakens after thousands of years. He's disillusioned with the world. He finds it. He gets a team of mutant stack that he's gonna make his four horsemen to cleanse mankind and create new world order. Uh, where he will reign and only mutants will be allowed, you know. And then you have raven um mystique and professor x and and you know, the main cast of the X-Men, um, trying to stop Apocalypse and save Mankind from destruction, and blah, blah, um Um.
Speaker 1:Yes, I said that fans say that this Was the worst one out of the quadrilogy. Well, it's a tie between this and Dark Phoenix. That depends on how y'all feel about it. But uh, the main thing is that this was the worst one out of the quadrilogy. Well, it's a tie between this and dark beings. That depends on how y'all feel about it. But uh, the main thing is. I hate that. Jean gray points out that after they got through watching the movie with, uh, the other x-men well the students, excuse me and they were like getting out of the movie. I was like, oh man, that movie stunk. And she was like, oh well, you know, the third one's always the worst and I'm sitting here like, okay, first of all, it's funny that y'all saying that because of x-men last dance. Second of all, it's really funny because it's that's like saying are you self-aware? Is this so prophesizing?
Speaker 1:right now and gosh, it's really funny how they're, even now, uh, deadpool, wolverine is out and some people saying that it's the worst of the trilogy. I'm like, really, this is the worst. You know what the trilogy curse uh strikes against, where people just feel like once it become a trilogy, it might be the worst one by default, based off habit, but I don't know, like sometimes I'm gonna mention one thing that might you could say either support or whatever with it out of ryan reynolds's mouth himself.
Speaker 2:I had actually sent this interview to you guys. Um, it was a snippet of an interview and what he wound up saying is the fact that a guy was asking him about deadpool one and about pegging, because there was that whole scene where ryan was, you know, doing stuff and he was like how would you talk about that? And that he wound up saying the first thing is he said first thing, I would never show Deadpool 1 to my kids. X-men and Wolverine yes, I would show that to my kids, but not the first one. So that itself can kind of give you an idea of, maybe, how much they've watered some stuff down If he said that he could show that one to his kids.
Speaker 3:Excuse me, excuse me.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, I'm sorry, watered down, watered down. They've counted the cuss words in X-Men, in X-Men no. In Deadpool Reigns. They've counted the cuss words. They've said every cuss word in the known dictionary. They said fuck, at least about 400 damn times in that movie. But we're saying the third one is the best, the third one is better than one man no, I understand what Ryan was going for. But man, no, man, no, if I'm a conservative parent, I'm not showing them to eat none of them to my kids. Not one Like legit, don't just be in play. Like don't get me wrong, right. Not one Like legit, don't get me wrong, right.
Speaker 3:I'm a person who has not seen the Deadpool Wolverine movie yet. I'm going to go see it this coming week. However, here's my take on this At the current moment from Jesse, getting the non spoilers. These movies were made for the adults. From just getting the non-spoilers. These movies were made for the adults. This is not. Deadpool is never even kid-friendly, yeah. So, folks, let's not go this route, because y'all know what happens every time. Y'all go this route with certain things, we're going to tell you hey, this wasn't meant for little kids in the first place. This is not Spider-Man and his amazing friends. This is not those types of stuff. If you want to watch Bluey, go down the hall.
Speaker 2:That part. Matter of fact, jb I even say remember has Been Hotel. They tried to cancel that whole series because it was like it was a cartoon and it's horrible. Why would you show this to your children?
Speaker 3:It was like Did you not see that? The rating of that?
Speaker 2:is 18 plus.
Speaker 1:Did you not see the little screen that says hey, yo, this is an adult cartoon. There's going to be a lot of sexual shit, there's going to be some killing and shit. Viewer discretion is advised. Did you not see that little card before every episode saying that, yeah, I wouldn't recommend it to kids?
Speaker 2:Most parents will just put on the show and walk away. They won't watch the beginning or nothing like that. They put on the show and walk away. They won't watch the beginning or nothing like that. They put on the beginning. They'll walk away and then be like what did you show my kids? We didn't show them nothing.
Speaker 3:You because because, legit, they want their car, they want tv to raise their damn kids. Quit having tv, raise your kids. Yes, it is.
Speaker 1:Dodging accountability like Ultra Instinct.
Speaker 3:But anyway, anyway, right, I'm gonna hit back up on this movie right here. This movie right here was one of the worst ones out of it for me. The reason why is because y'all fucked up my nigga Apocalypse, mm-mm.
Speaker 1:Nah see, he's supposed to be bigger than that. He's supposed to be way more intimidated than that.
Speaker 3:I was not intimidated by this version of him. Come on, nothing against us guys, but come on Like that ass. Look like somebody decided oh no, I'm a cosplayer, fuck him. And I'm just going to pretend to be him. The fuck that man is supposed to be. Look here.
Speaker 1:And I know the one time I would have accepted CGI, the one time this man is supposed to be a secondary.
Speaker 3:He's supposed to be the mutant version of fucking Thanos, but they made this man to be like ugh, okay, this is the great value version. That's all we can find the fuck you doing Like. If that was the best that you could give me, y'all might as well just be like. Alright, you know what? We're not gonna do it.
Speaker 2:Do what they did with Kane Dynasty.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, no, no, I said do what they did with Kane Dynasty. You know what? We can't give it back to you because of certain situations that happened. So we're just going to go ahead and cancel it and redo something entirely different.
Speaker 1:I mean the way I see it with Quantumania. We'll just say oh, ant-man beat him. We'll just call it like that Ant-Man beat him. We're moving on. Give us Doctor Doom.
Speaker 3:I'm still going to say Marvel fumbled the bag on that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you trying to get back into good grace by bringing Big Daddy Doom, I give you that. But you fumbled the bag Because Kang should be there. Yeah, like Kang should be there. Yeah, like Kang should be there. We still want Dune, don't get me wrong. Still want Dune. Fuck what you heard. Still want Dune. And especially since we're getting the infamous Iron man Dune, we're getting the fat nigga. Oh, oh, fuck the free world now. Hey, by all means, i'ma even be real with you, right, i'ma be real with you. Hey, if you want this Doom to mess with the damn uh, mess with the mutants, you might as well bring the uh, bring his version of the Sentinels.
Speaker 1:You know what this makes me so glad that I got the infamous Iron man Funko Pop.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, let's go ahead and bring the Latin biases, my nigga, let's go ahead. And for those of y'all that don't know what Latin biases are, those are the Sentinel versions that Dr Doom created. Oh, oh, they're so lovely, they're so lovely, I mean you know. Oh, oh, they're so lovely, they're so lovely. I mean you know, look, look, I get it. We can't bring the one that's currently out, that Tony fucking destroyed, which is his own version of his fucking Sentinels, which are the Stark Sentinels, mark I and Mark II the Ultron motherfuckers, yeah.
Speaker 3:Not even the Ultron models. Those are not even the Ultron models. These are the ones that look like him. Oh those, Okay, Like in current run issues. These are the ones that look like him, Look like his Iron man suit and damn near just fucking strong, Like it takes it, cause Storm can't even beat these people. It took Storm, Magnetoeto and I forget who else to combine their fucking powers to take out one. That's how fucking strong they are. But Iron man Stark won up there because of his goddamn because of his new suit, which I know if y'all haven't read the comics it's a spoiler, but technically it ain't because your ass should go read Reading is for little bitches Read, nigga read.
Speaker 3:Tony went up there and whooped all the fucking Sentinels' ass by his goddamn suit. I'm talking about whooped their ass from one side to the other. Oh, I'm just saying legitimately, ass from one side to the other. No, I'm just saying Legitimately Am I happy the way Marvel's going? Yes, because there's so many routes, so much shit you can pull. Am I mad that there are people, especially over the ones in DC2, don't read, of course. Please read the comics Please.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's apps now to where, like you have um, dc, universe infinite and marvel unlimited, like I would say, get the annual plan, because I don't know if you would want to like get the monthly like, because the monthly is like not uh expensive, but same time, like you know, just do the annual and you have a whole bunch of comments to work with. So it doesn't feel like you're doing all that. This honestly not sponsored ad. But I'm just saying, I'm just putting y'all on game to where I'm like, if you're gonna read the comments like this, at the very least you don't have to like get physical copies if you don't want to, even though you know sometimes physical copies will have like more value later on exactly.
Speaker 3:I would say support your physical copies. I know some of them seem like they're expensive, expensive but it really depends on prerogative.
Speaker 1:like I'm looking out for both sides, where I'm like, if you want physical copies, by all means, but if you're, if you don't care for physical copies, there's at least an app for there's app Marvel and DC. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Like, either pick up a comic book or check into those apps and read them on there. Like put them on the tablet and shit. What's the excuse? That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3:That part. That's all. There's no excuse, but I got grace Going back to it, right, the reason why this movie, for me, gets a complete 5 out of 10. Yeah, my dead ass got a 5 out of 10.
Speaker 2:Lord, you're nice, you say.
Speaker 3:I'm nice. The only reason why you say I'm nice, everybody else was'm nice. The only reason why you say I'm nice. Everybody else was okay. The other characters were okay. They have been done a little bit better too, yes, but I'm not mad about them. What I'm mad about is fucking Apocalypse.
Speaker 1:Can.
Speaker 3:I make a little.
Speaker 1:A little tangent. Before you talk about Apocalypse, let's talk about Psylocke real quick. First of all, I like how Olivia Munn insisted on having a comic book accurate version of it. They were even going to go as far as saying, okay, let's have her do a black leather suit with a purple sad. No, fuck all that, she said. Nah, I want a purple suit with a red sad like in the fucking, and I'm so proud of her I was.
Speaker 3:I was so proud very true.
Speaker 1:Second of all, I'm gonna be honest with you. It was kind of distracting. Like every time I see her on the screen I'm like I got I. I appreciate the comic book accuracy. That's all I'm saying. I just I didn't appreciate the comic book accuracy. That's all I'm saying. I just appreciate the comic book accuracy. That's all I'm saying. But what you were saying about Apocalypse?
Speaker 3:Alright, so I'm going to get off my high horse in a minute and I'm going to let. Hopefully I have some dough. But my thing was Right and this is where we, as the viewers Should have understood. Thing was right and this is where we, as the viewers, should have understood that they're not reading because Apocalypse wasn't Lord Accused. He wasn't Lord Accused and that shit pissed me off to no end. It really pissed me off to no fucking thing.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's just the thing. You just threw him into this one and only movie. If you slow cooked him, it would have made more sense to flesh out His importance to the mutants, but you just threw him into this one movie, so of course you're going to cut corners.
Speaker 3:Yes, and this is why I say, as a fan, but even as a theorist, I don't want them. I'm not even trying to theorize that they're going to bring him back. I don't want to theorize they're going to bring him back. Let him die, let him completely go another round, nevermind they already did him In the original X-Men.
Speaker 1:So yeah, no, there's no need to bring apocalypse back. At this point I would say you might as well like, if you're gonna do the mutant saga, let's go ahead and finally have like someone like, say, mr senator roland, like someone new, like someone we haven't really seen a live action of and kind of deserve, like I was saying with onslaught or like the anti-monitor or somebody. Come on somebody all right.
Speaker 3:I think that's why I just like you know yeah, you know so, and here's what it is at this current point what you got, what you got, what you got look, I'm just gonna say you're so nice and this I already told this one to jb.
Speaker 2:I said like I fully agree with you everything on the apocalypse because of the fact that, like I was like, I absolutely hated how they did him, I hated the character design and it's not the actor, the actor, he did what he could with what he had.
Speaker 1:This is one of those ones that, like I've, mentioned this before.
Speaker 2:I judge based on character writing and you know how things go into it. It's like this one was all writing and they just did him dirty with such a bad costume. That was horrible oh. I think I'm gonna judge onto. This is like IGN. Set me up for IGN. I'm calling you out on this. No, no, no Hold on.
Speaker 1:Before you continue, I'm just going to put you like this Ever since, between Deadpool, wolverine and the Boys, season 4, I'll tell you this IGN. Stick to the news, not the reviews, exactly.
Speaker 2:Exactly, bruh. It's just IGN had released this article like right before um, right before the movie had came out, and was like here's 10 things that we noticed about the um, about the, we noticed on set and be looking out for, and this is how they set me up, so wrong. So first thing is this okay, they said, oh, they gonna try to beat that Quicksilver scene. No, no, no, I had pause for a moment. Did they beat it? Was there anything in that movie that said that they beat it? You wanna know why? I say that? Cuz IGN said they did such an effing amazing job. The special effects team was amazing. They topped the scene.
Speaker 2:They literally wrote this inside of their article. Literally wrote this inside of their article. Did that happen? No, so then they tried to highlight the characters. They had a whole little section for Nightcrawler, like, yeah, nightcrawler's going to be swashbuckling, but he ain't got no sword. But you know Nightcrawler's going to be so great. Why was he emo? In what way is emo and swashbuckling the same? So I know you said you like the characters, talos, but I'm going to be honest on to this one. Ign told me otherwise.
Speaker 1:They set me up for it.
Speaker 2:They set me and a bunch of other people up for it. Okay, and this is one of those ones. I'm just like, I just nah.
Speaker 1:Nah.
Speaker 3:Nah, they did me dirty. Fuck IGN on Thursday. Fuck IGN on Thursday. It's like you have to read, you have to flesh through shit or to find some of the good shit. I don't trust IGN when it comes to fucking movies at all.
Speaker 2:This was when I knew not to trust them no more. I was like, nah, bro, I still had like a moment, because nobody's 100% accurate. So I still had a moment and I was like, eh, this is going to be some stuff, maybe just a little exaggerated, but nah, nah that was just wrong Once again.
Speaker 3:Once again gaming I trust them with because once again they gave me good shit when it came to fucking goddamn Elden Ring and stuff of that nature. But as far as it goes for uh, movies, hell no, hell to fuck. No, I will not trust IGN for this. And the reason why I say and I want to back up the reason why I say the characters were great and decent at least because once again, right, the four horsemen of the apocalypse, they could have did them a little bit better. I love it, don't get me wrong. I love it, but this is something that needs to be fucking said. Going forward, marvel, okay, if you bring my boy fucking Angel or even Archangel back into this shit, give him all his shit.
Speaker 2:Do him right please.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like we just don't want to be like get the fly boy like come on.
Speaker 3:Because people only think that every time they see him, every time he's shown, they only think, oh, he can just fly. No, he does more than that. That motherfucker is stronger than a bitch. That motherfucker does a whole hell of a lot. I promise you to God. There are comics where this motherfucker has literally been seeing blitzing people out of goddamn nowhere. You don't see his ass.
Speaker 1:Honestly, Marvel Studios. At this point we're breathing down your neck because this is like the third Time. You're not only, it's the third time. We're gonna be Exposed to a mutant Franchise with the friends, the Fantastic Four and a whole Bunch of other shit. Like bro, like you, can't fuck this up.
Speaker 3:Exactly like folks. They're giving us Galactus. They're giving us Galactus again. So true, they're giving us Galactus again.
Speaker 2:So you're going to Galactus, right, he better not be no giant damn cloud.
Speaker 1:Oh like a lion.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's not go with the giant cloud. You can make this nigga big as fuck. You did it with Celestials, so we know you can do it. Bring it in.
Speaker 1:Bring it they were talking about. Oh yeah, fantastic for a first step. Yeah, galatina's going to be the main villain, alright, alright, bring it Now. Go Good, we're not going to let you fuck up a third time. You fuck up a third time. You're done, you're cooked.
Speaker 3:That boy.
Speaker 1:This is crazy.
Speaker 2:Hold on, sorry. My one last thing that I have, and this is what I would say X-Men Apocalypse screwed up so bad I didn't even watch Dark Phoenix. So this next little part right here. I'm not going to have nothing really to say on to this. I've read up on it. There's not too much more I can really add other than you two who've actually seen it. That's how bad Apocalypse messed it up for me. So when I read up on it I found out I was not missing shit Exactly.
Speaker 1:But, oh yeah, there were some things that I forgot to mention, how like oh, apparently in this movie Xavier finally goes bald, not because, you know, like a power move to where he just decided to shave his head, like he just absorbs a little too much power and just started balding and I'm like, okay, that's a interesting way to one punch man did it better yeah, that's I was gonna say, but I'm like, nah, I'm not gonna go there fuck that I will.
Speaker 1:One punch man did it better uh, yeah, they introduced new characters of Jean Grey, storm, cyclops, nightcrawler, archangel, and introducing Psylocke and Apocalypse. But like half of them I felt like, eh, they were just kind of there. And then the other ones I'm like, okay, they, uh, they kind of like have speaking roles and whatnot. But I don't know, I just felt like some of these characters, they, they need more love. Oh, what is up with all these, man, you know what? You kind of beat me to a kokugatsu, where I was gonna mention at this point to where this depart.
Speaker 1:Apocalypse is where I'm to a point to where why is magneto always like a secondary antagonist, if not the primary, in these x-men movies? Like, yeah, we get, we like magneto, but magneto to me is like shadow the hedgehog. It's like he's not one of those characters where you just throw him to any stories, like there gotta be a reason for him to be there. Um, quick, silver gets. Um, the best scene again. Um, but you also established as magneto's son in this. So I'm like, nah, that's a little too little, too late on that one. That's when they come back with the black leather again and we get another obligatory Wolverine cameo.
Speaker 1:So let's just be honest, I feel like Apocalypse was like hinging on some elements that we already like and whatnot. So it's almost as if this one is where they were like the most sure. They can't be confident that this storyline would go great unless they get a little formulaic. So that's why I'm like five. Calling this a five out of ten is a little generous. I'm not gonna hold you out of 10 is a little generous. I'm not going to hold you. It does come off a little generous. I would say at least it smells like a 3 to me. It smells like a 3 out of 10.
Speaker 2:Same 3, 3. Yeah, that's why I was there.
Speaker 3:Okay, so for me and this is not me being generous once again but Dark Phoenix got a 4. Dark Phoenix got a 4.
Speaker 1:That's the thing, dark Phoenix, because Apocalypse just feels wrong on paper. Dark Phoenix, you have to be really looking into it and be like, okay, it's kind of bad, but it's not that bad up front.
Speaker 3:For me the reason why Dark Phoenix got a 4, because I'm a person that reads comics, because I read comics and know stuff and everything else and how it is. That's why it got a 4. However, if I didn't read comics or whatever, dark Phoenix would have got higher scores for me. So there's why's why these last two, these last movies right here, that's why they got what they got. Because, hey, I came into comics as a kid with Phoenix and Apocalypse. I came in with the Sega version of the game where Phoenix was literally the fucking bad guy and everything else. Like, you know I'm there, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, oh shit, hey, I know what these motherfuckers look like when they're at their best and I know what they look like when they're just not at their best. But this shit, right here, you half danced, it was straight, half-assing.
Speaker 3:Dark Phoenix. It Like I say I'm not even going to stick here on this. Like that it gave me a headache, so Y'all got it. That's all I'm going to say on that one. Y'all got it. That's just how bad it was. Y'all got it. That's all I'm gonna say on that one. Y'all got it. That's just how bad it was. Y'all got it.
Speaker 1:In fact, you know what? Let's just bring me to the next film, dark Phoenix. Let's go ahead and get into it. Ah Okay, dark Phoenix. This was set 9 years After Apocalypse. So all these time stamps and the weird part is these characters, these actors, they don't age that much. And it's like kind of weird because you're telling me that between 1962 and like, they're pretty much to a point where they're now like, uh, at 1992, so this is like a 30 year time frame between x-men first class and x-men dark phoenix, and you're telling me these people barely aged at all. Gotcha, okay, sure, uh. But aside from that, you know, this is another attempt to adapt that Dark Phoenix story where superheroes are going on increasingly risky missions.
Speaker 1:A solo player hits Jean Grey during a rescue mission in space. She loses control of her powers and unleashes the Phoenix. But wait a minute, didn't she unleash the Phoenix Force in the last movie? So what was that? Whatever, you know what? I'll open up to the panel in just a moment. I'll just finish this. Um, it's getting to a point to where it just seems like, uh, this is the last movie that jennifer morris probably um jumped on for, so this is the last movie that we're gonna see mystique in, and I I think the my my favorite line that she said at this point was like maybe we should change the name to X-Women, because, you know, the women is like caring Apparently. Quicksilver is so convenient to the plot of the story that they had the movie in the most unceremonious way. I'm like they literally was like all right, so I'm gonna do my quick silver, then gonna um run real fast and get her.
Speaker 1:And then gene gray was like swerve, like you know, like. He was like, uh, climbing up those little like pieces of metal or whatever that was, and she pretty much pulled on a henry cavill superman, you know, like from justice league, uh, where uh, the flag was trying to sneak up behind him and it's like, nah, I can still see you. But she was like, nah, I can still see you. So she was like move that one part out of the way. And then like, uh, so cyanide, black um force pushed him into a um bush, and then he was like in a coma for the rest of the movie. I'm like, whoa, damn, he was so convenient. We just had the right amount of the movie in the laziest way possible. Okay, uh, oh yeah, did I forget to mention that the x-men are now fighting aliens? Who wants to use Phoenix Force to conquer Earth? So that's the main thing.
Speaker 1:The villain is like the most forgettable villain, like she's up there with Darbin from the Marvels and some others where I'm like aside from the name Buck, which comes off a little weird, I mean, I mean, I know that's a comic name All I'm saying is these are Examples of villains when I'm like If I didn't watch this movie, I would have never heard of these villains and they just don't come off as very memorable.
Speaker 1:Anyways, but yeah, mainly this movie is all about Jean Grey always crying to be with her, but I can't control my powers.
Speaker 1:When I do control, all the bad things happen on Allison and it's like it's like so many scenes where she said the same shit and I get it, but it just doesn't feel earned when it just seems like you're trying to shoehorn this dark phoenix story into these um film franchises where you're not letting this woman slow cook like see, that's the thing. Like in the comics Jean Grey works best when she's like this motherly, older sister figure to the X-men, where she's like there to comfort them or whatnot you know kind of ill, their problems. You know, like she's like that friend that you go to for guidance and all those shit, like she works better when she's like essential to the team and then all of a sudden she got a dark side. So it's like it feels more of a betrayal that way to where someone that's like beloved by the X-Men and we get to see that as an audience. But it's not very convincing if you just throw it in at the last minute.
Speaker 2:Can I throw something in at the last minute? I'm done throw something in at the last minute.
Speaker 2:I'm done anyway. I think the issue is that Wolverine wasn't there to help create that love triangle situation where she couldn't get distracted enough with the love triangle, it was only Scott that was there to really help her out, and so, because she was not so complicated, there was no extra love. That was there. Scott wasn't enough. She needed Wolverine there too. Scott wasn't enough. She needed, like, wolverine there too. Because he wasn't there. The phoenix force just took over so easily. Think about it in the x3 when scott died. Then the phoenix force took over.
Speaker 3:You know you need a love triangle for jean gray in the movies now, I gotta see now, because you did that, I gotta do, I gotta do the actual fun fact for you fun fact, right, the actual love triangle that folks love to joke about is it's an actual thing and they actually work out because they're actually the most non-toxic of the couples within the mutants, they're one of the most, if not the most, non-toxic couple in the music. And well, throuple, because I can't forget that, because, legitimately, how it works, you got Gene in the middle Scott basically is the quote unquote submissive technically and then you got Wolverine as the thump. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm hitting on it. We're there, we're there.
Speaker 3:And while folks are laughing like, yo hey, you can't be serious. No, I'm completely serious. Don't believe me. Go to another trust story. Go to another trust story, king Lion. I'm not even here promoting this man. I'm telling you up front Go, literally look at King Lion's videos. King Lion has videos on him.
Speaker 3:I'm going to tell you now, right, hey, it's there. Because even Scott and Wolverine had a thing While they were in this. So Scott and Wolverine had a thing together. So, by all accounts, it could be theorized and he's actually correct that if she doesn't have one of her guys around to keep her quote-unquote sane, then the Phoenix Force can just easily manipulate her. But if she has both of her guys around, boom, you know. But that's just a theory. It's not how it actually went. Now I'm going to tell you something. Here we are, since we're over here on this and I'm going to hop on and I'm going to keep going. I don't like Dark Phoenix, simply because, one, they played out Phoenix. Two, they're villains. Why couldn't you have just introduced the Kree or the Skrulls here? Because they are the ones that literally try to control the beings.
Speaker 2:This is true. This is very true.
Speaker 3:This has been the perfect time this person here was a Kree, or this person here was a Skrull and it would have been alright.
Speaker 2:But then they would have had to explain why it is they couldn't get Captain Marvel in the movie.
Speaker 3:But Captain Marvel wouldn't need to be in that movie. Crazy scrolls have always been a part of the fucking mutants.
Speaker 1:I say, on the one hand, like I don't know exactly all the details, but the fact that Marvel sold off all those rights to all those different film studios, just to say like, oh well, shit, apparently the people love a, a multi-film TV show franchise, if done right. So like, hey, yo, so universal everybody, sony, everybody who we sold those, can we have those characters back down? And yeah, that's the kind of thing that we're like, yeah, you shut up, it's ahead of time. Because like, uh, if we uh had those in the first place, then it would have been more fleshed out to where, yes, captain marvel, the creative scroll, the mutants and all that, it will be more comic book accurate. But because you know the licensing and whatnot, we can't use certain characters, so they have to like dance around it. And I'm like that part.
Speaker 3:So it's like, yeah, oh it's just insane.
Speaker 2:It's just insane, that's all it is. Like you said, if they had never sold the rights they would have had, we would have had so much good things. But well, it could potentially, because, let's be honest, marvel has shown that when they're left in control, they will mess up some stuff as well too, if they're not, like you know, put on check every now and again, so Can't get too comfortable.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah.
Speaker 3:I swear. This is why I'm just like you know what. Yeah, um, I swear. This is why I'm just like you know what.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, let me be honest with you. Dark Fiends is one of the ones where I've seen the least of. It just felt like one of those things where we just it didn't feel worth watching Dark Fiends getting botched again. One of those things where, like we, just it didn't feel worth watching, uh, dark beings getting um botched again. So what can I say? I would say four, three and a half. It was one of those movies where I didn't fully hate it, but it's one of those movies where, like, kind of like with the next movie that we're gonna have to talk about. Uh, it's one of those movies where, like, kind of like with the next movie that we're going to have to talk about. Uh, it's one of those things where I saw it once. I don't have to watch it again.
Speaker 1:Uh, speaking of which, let's go ahead and wrap up this portion of the x-men stream review with the new mutants. So it kind of seemed like it was on the same timeline as logan, but essentially you have five mutants trying to. It kind of seemed like it was on the same Timeline as Logan, but essentially you have five Users trying to do what they are, discovering their um Abilities and they're being Held in this, uh, secret facility Against their will and they're trying to fight, uh, to escape, you know, from their past and the facility you know that kind of Symbolism there and save themselves From it. And I'm gonna be honest With you, know that kind of symbolism there and save themselves from it. And I'm going to be honest with you, the movie kind of feels like Gen and B. If the writing was worse. Well, not really the writing, but more like the way they edited the films, where I'm like you can tell that it was edited and I'm like, and also all those delays and what not. It just felt like this movie felt destined to fail. But I felt like and to a degree to a degree, I'm gonna be honest some of the visual effects were pretty good, like with the demon bear and how magic was uh fighting against him, whatnot I thought it was okay. I didn't hate it, like some of the visual effects, like the smiling man and all that. I didn't hate it. But Once again, it's one of those movies where I saw it once. I don't feel the need To watch it again.
Speaker 1:Supposedly a horror film where the main Cats is in this hospital and Learning how to control their powers and they were on the pretense that it was going to become X-Men. See, that's why I would say it kind of reminds me of uh, gen b, uh, where, like, the students here thought that, oh well, they do, well, you know, they might get into the sevens, but nah, that's not what's gonna happen here, like, in fact, y'all are being studied to um, be useful for other things, or, you know, I'm not gonna spoil gen b for some of y'all, but I will say this about New Mutants, where, essentially, the kids was going to be trained to become assassins for the Exes Corporation which is why I was mentioning Mr, where he wants to use mutant power To enhance himself, and you know Pretty much Mego Maniacal type shit and what else. It would have been better If the movie was longer and the acting was A tad bit better. But then again there were like teenage actors, especially like some Phases that you might recognize, you know, like Maisie Williams from Game of Thrones, better. But then again there were like teenage actors, especially like, um, some uh phases that you might recognize.
Speaker 1:You know, like maisie williams from game of thrones, uh, one guy from stranger things, uh, anya taylor joy, like, um, some phases that you'll probably recognize, and not gonna lie, the mutants that they're playing as are interesting, but it kind of felt like we either didn't get enough of it or it was just not convincing enough to where I'm like yeah, I can definitely imagine them coming back into the mcu, but hey, hold on, well, never say never. So they, in a way, like I can imagine if, like, they continue with the X-Men Anime series or depending on how the Mutant saga goes, while there's a whole bunch of projects floating around, projects that we know of, that got named, there's probably a whole bunch of projects that we don't know about. So, who knows, who knows?
Speaker 3:New Mutants.
Speaker 1:Six Six. I didn't hate it, but Once again, I don't care for watching it again. Gentlemen, how y'all felt about this one.
Speaker 3:Sorry once again. What movie are we talking about? You mute me, oh okay, okay, yeah. I want you to know just just exactly how you said that, right then, that's exactly how much I remember that part.
Speaker 2:Look, that's exactly how much I remember look, I'm putting this way, I'm gonna judge. I'm going to judge it in two ways onto this. Okay, first way of judging it is when me and my wife watched this movie, we found it on Amazon Prime Because it got delayed so much I forgot this was an X-Men movie. So we watched it not even knowing it was an X-Men movie. Until like the middle end of the movie it was like like wait, this is an x-men movie wait what so much.
Speaker 2:So you understand I can. So I could think about it as the x-men movie, and it's also as a person who had absolutely no idea it was an x-men movie as well. So let's put in this aspect right here. Okay, you remember that one teen titans episode where raven's powers went so ballistic and crazy because she was afraid of a movie and and she just didn't want to believe that she was afraid and she finally had to admit that she was afraid and then finally they were able to get rid of the dark entities and stuff like that. That's literally the storyline of this movie and let's put in this aspect here. Jb, you said if the movie was longer it probably would have been better.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know what to say about it.
Speaker 2:This whole storyline is 20 minutes.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry this right here was like what the hell? Like I don't have nothing to say on this movie because I don't remember it like that. This wasn't, it wasn't remember-worthy, like don't get me wrong. It may. I'm not judging it harshly or whatever. I can't give you a score because I don't remember it. It wasn't there.
Speaker 2:This was what I remember of it. Okay, so I have a pretty decent memory on movies. If I finished the movie, I can talk about it. Even if I've only finished it one time, I can talk about it. So this is one thing about me. Uh, this is a movie I watched one time and it's not that I I don't need to watch it again. I won't go watch this again like this.
Speaker 3:This seems like I'm to be real with you. I'm going to be real with you, Just like Coke got to just say Okay y'all just brought this out and nobody knows about it. Yes.
Speaker 2:That's literally what happened. That's literally what happened. So, yeah, it's one of those ones. In all honesty, this is literally one of those ones where I have to take a shot at you. Marvel onto this. Dc did it better on a kid's show, because that's literally the storyline. You just have a character who doesn't control her powers. Because she can't control her powers, she doesn't really know what's going on. All of her worst fears and nightmares is coming to realization and is taking everyone. That's literally what the storyline is. The only difference is, yes, people could die. Well, people did die. That's about it. But other than that, real talk, dc did it better, cartoon Network did it better, and that's my literal thing into this. I am so sorry. This one is a 2 out of 10 for me, legitimately. No, I was so sorry.
Speaker 3:This one is a 2 out of 10 for me Legitimately. No, I was thinking like hold on, I didn't fully.
Speaker 1:I was thinking like, okay, visual-wise, I didn't fully hate it because I thought the visual effect was okay. So I'm like, okay, at least a 2. Plot.
Speaker 2:It's only visuals, only visuals. That's the reason I got it too. That's literally it, we can tell you. You said plot. What were you saying?
Speaker 1:I was going to say plot Okay, the audio Okay. The plot was like half big Uh where they had something, but it was like the execution of it was terrible, especially with the editing of it. I don't even really care much for the characters outside of okay some of the characters I recognize well comic wise, where like magic was like one of the popular ones, but it's like she was the only one basically to where like uh, even though the movie was more about um danny, the one that can create those illusions that they were fighting against, it felt more like magic was the only one that I could even have any gravity towards. Everybody else just felt forgettable. So I'm like her fight with the demon bear was like the best part about the movie for me Other than that, yeah, you know what Two out of ten sounds about right.
Speaker 2:This was a visually led movie. This is one of those ones that says you can have great graphics on a movie, it doesn't mean that it's going to be good. It can look appealing, but if the story is garbage, these people don't know how to act out a character that is badly written.
Speaker 3:There is absolutely, there is absolutely nothing about it, alright, so let me go back through here, right? All right, here we go, here we go. Mind you, I'm gonna go through the cast and I'll let you know. But legit, yes, yes, I, I know the characters. I know wolfsbane, I know magic. You know what I'm saying. I know these people. I know Cannonball, I know Mirage, I know Sunspot. You know what I'm saying, I know these people. But it's just. Once again, this movie was not it wasn't.
Speaker 1:You know what, you know what. Hold on, I'll take it. Hold on, hold on, hold on, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'll say like this the mute mutants reminds me of madame webb, in a sense, where, uh, the cast, like, oh, we're going to join the ncu, and then like, no, that's not what happened you should have been a TV show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that, right there yes, honestly, if it was a series, we would have had a better opportunity like the Runaways.
Speaker 1:Where I'm like the Runaways, I thought was like okay, okay, I like where they were going with this show, but like New Mutants, yeah, it would work better. As um hey, like I said never, say never. So they can like say, okay, the New Mutants, yeah, it would work better. As um hey, like I said Never, say Never. So they can like say Okay, the New Mutants. The movie bomb may have stunk, but we can like Take those characters and like Make them into an anime series. And there you go, I'm putting you on game Disney and let's put it on.
Speaker 2:So they heavily underused magic as well, like magic.
Speaker 1:Should have gotten a lot more into how things went with her abilities the craziest thing is this is the first live action version of magic that we get and to this day, it's like the way they got it so disjointed, it's like I hate that. These movies all together make me feel like holy shit, hold on, wait a minute. Colossus and Magic are siblings.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean okay, so right, even the stories they're siblings, even the comics they're siblings. So that I already know.
Speaker 1:You wouldn't think that with the movies.
Speaker 3:That's the problem you know I'm saying that's why I'm saying I like magic. So I understood that it was just the fuck is this? Who are y'all? Y'all leave, like like you know, it's really why I'm like yo, this feels more so like hey, maybe you should have had these guys like as a TV series. Oh, you know what?
Speaker 1:Even better, you could just throw them into a whole season of X-Men 97 and like flesh it out from there.
Speaker 3:That part. Hey, maybe make them go to the Xavier School and from there, you know, have them go out on the Xavier school, or you know, and just do a little bit more, because this right here is wild. But I digress, I ain't got nothing to say on this. It's all you. It's all you, jet, it's all you.
Speaker 1:I got you. No, honestly, that was all about I have. Like I was trying to be nice. Honestly, that was all about I have. I was trying to be nice, not going to lie, but I'm like, yeah, Honestly, the visuals was the only thing I have, the only nice thing I have to say about the film, Other than that it was like a nothing movie, literally.
Speaker 2:It was one of those ones. That's why I said I could judge it based on the X-Men movie and judge on the fact that I had absolutely no idea that it was an X-Men movie. So with that regard, that's what I have to be honest on to that, like judging it in both regards into that, this was low. The only thing was the visuals, that's it.
Speaker 1:That's it, you know what. That reminds me of how, eventually, we're going to talk about the TV shows, where I might talk about the original on my own or, unless somebody else is interested, like Talos. Maybe, if you're interested, we'll see X-Men Evolution, x-men 97, and you know what, since I'm now remembering that this show exists, I guess I'm gonna give the gifted A shot, see if it's even Worth watching. I'm gonna look to the Synopsis real quick. Oh shit, it came back in 2017, like I was way late on that.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Two ordinary parents take their family on a run Government Children have mutant abilities Okay, okay. So, okay, you know what. I'm gonna look into that later. Um, that, pretty much it for the quadrilogy. Well, technically fine, because you know the music. Because, uh, I'm gonna be real with you, I'm not gonna like add that into any of the wolverine cards or the deadpool part, even though, uh, the new mutants were trying to tie themselves into logan. I'm like, no, let's not do that. Like I'm not gonna disrespect. With that being said, I'm gonna go ahead and go into intermission. Uh, we will be talking about the wolverine trilogy next, so stay tuned and we'll be right back.
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