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Gen V (S1) and The Boys (S4): The Makings of Heroes and Villains
Prepare to uncover the hidden layers of "Gen V" and "The Boys" Season 4! Join J.B. Xtreme and Mira Jane as they guide you through the murky waters of Godolkin University and Vought's sinister plans. From the deceptive training of young superheroes to the complex manipulations by Indira Shetty, we promise you'll gain insight into the deep emotional backstories and real-life issues like body dysmorphia and self-harm that these characters face. Discover how "Gen V" serves as a crucial bridge, connecting the dots between Seasons 3 and 4 of "The Boys," and why this spinoff is essential viewing.
In this riveting episode, we unravel the emotional and psychological dimensions of "Gen V," drawing thought-provoking parallels with the mutants in X-Men. Explore the poignant storylines and heartbreaking moments, such as Marie Moreau's traumatic awakening of her powers and the betrayal by Cate. We dissect the remarkable performances and unexpected twists, including the standout roles of Patrick Schwarzenegger and Chance Perdomo. With Mira Jane's insightful commentary, we reflect on the show's themes of manipulation and consent, and how they resonate with modern audiences.
As we look ahead, we speculate on the future of "Gen V" and "The Boys," especially in light of the challenges posed by Chance Perdomo's passing. Will Queen Maeve return for an epic showdown? How will the show handle Andre's character? From Sam's puppet hallucinations to Homelander's chilling hypocrisy, we leave no stone unturned. Plus, we discuss our plans to expand our online presence and invite you to join us on social media for more updates. Don't miss this deep dive into the Vought universe, filled with compelling analysis and intriguing speculation!
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Speaker 3:Welcome back to the Zone Podcast, where we like to discuss what it really means to be a hero and what it means to be a villain. It's Jet Black Extreme, and joining me is Mirror Jane, as we talk about both Gen V and the Boys, season 4. That's right, a double feature for y'all and, without further ado, let's go ahead and get active. Holy shit. First of all, I'm kind of ashamed that it took me a while to get to jimmy, but I'm also glad that I watched jimmy before season four of the boys, because if you didn't watch jimmy, some things in season four, it's not gonna make sense. But let's talk about jimmy just for a little bit. So jimby is a, I want to say, like season 3.5. It like kind of happens in between the events of the um third season, but there's also going to be like some callbacks to the first season. But here's the thing at At Godalkin University, the school of crime fighting founded by Thomas Godalkin, you have these young adult superheroes, you know college age supes, and they're going to the school under the pretense that they're going to get the top rankings and get a chance to join the seven. But here's the thing the lady that's Running the facility. I'm trying to remember her name, don't help me Indira Shetty, apparently.
Speaker 3:Here's the thing Gen B. I'm gonna put it to you like this it's new Mutants, but better, because With New Mutants the premise was those kids was going to that hospital To master their power so they can join the X-Men. But in actuality the lady at the facility, dr Reyes, was going To sell them off to the X's corporation to be assassins. And if you're not familiar with the X's corporation For the X Men heads, you might be familiar With Mr Sinister. That's the guy who owns X's corporation.
Speaker 3:So essentially they were having Mutants trained to Work for Mr Sanderson and if you know his deal, he wants to collect these super mutant powers for himself. So it's kind of like that one movie X-Men Origins, wolverine when they made Deadpool with this mortgage board of abilities, but Mr Sanderson wanted to do that for himself. That's new mutants, but in Gen B, instead of them joining the Seven, they're being studied like lab rats for certain things. But the person involved here she wants to develop a virus that kills Supes. Because, get this, you remember back in season one where Homelander and Queen Maeve was supposed to stop this plane from crashing, but instead they were like eh, we kinda fucked up here so we're gonna have to leave y'all. Shetty's parent, shetty's husband and daughter, was on that plane.
Speaker 3:So this is like a revenge plot for her and this story is centered around, uh, marie moreau who, believe it or not, have the same powers as victoria newman. But it's like Victoria is like an advanced level bloodbender at this point, while Marie is more like a novice bloodbender. Let's just put it to you like that. We have Andre, who has this power over magnetic, so it's kind of like Magneto in a sense. We have Emma, who can alter her size by either eating or purging. Uh, we have kate dunlap, who can uh use mind control when you touch her I mean when she touched you, excuse me. Uh, jordan lee.
Speaker 3:Who jordan is interesting, like first of all, non-binary, but whenever it's like different abilities, it shifts, it depends on the abilities, like in female form, jordan can shoot, fire, energy, blast, and in male form is more like the indestructible, super strong body. And then we have Sam, who's so strong they say that, oh, he rivals homelander. And yeah, we have these characters. They have the call experience, like here's the funny thing. It's kind of dark to where they play with um themes like cutting and, uh, body dysmorphia and uh consent, because you know what kate, you know like.
Speaker 3:Uh, she's controlling people's minds like wait, hold on, you're manipulating my memory. I don't like that shit. That's like some uh rufy, some bill costas I'm not like like with that one guy rufus, um in that one episode uh she has.
Speaker 2:She has like the ability of persuasion, almost like she can persuade you to do like forget things, remember things in a backwards way, like she'd really be messing with people, moms right and with jordan.
Speaker 3:I pretty much explained that. But the main thing is, jordan's father Doesn't approve of Jordan going to female form. He even said like hey, man, you were born A male, you can be a male your whole life. And I'm like, why can't you just accept me as I am, father? You know that sign Thing, yeah, and Sam as Cuckoo for cuckoo pups, as homeland. So it's like a spitting image of homeland, but with, uh, brown hair instead of blonde. Oh, and let's talk about um luke, golden boy. How he was like, as the name suggests, the golden boy boy. He was trying to figure out what was going on with the uh headmaster. Uh, what was?
Speaker 3:his name uh, fuck, fuck, fuck, uh brink, yeah, brink yeah, brink brinkerhoff yeah, uh, trying to figure out what to deal with them.
Speaker 3:Try to figure out what was going on with the forest, where the forest is like this underground facility underneath the school, to where that's where they really do their um scientific experimentations, but above ground it's like let's just study them from. Uh, um, pretense that they're going to school to become superheroes like the seven. Uh, I'm probably not going to mention this um ever after this point, but, oh, maverick is also here, um, the son of translucent, remember translucent?
Speaker 3:oh, my god, yes but uh yeah, essentially the main cast is trying to figure out what the hell's going on with this school. Eventually they find out that Kate has been manipulating all of them, knowing everything that was going on. But she eventually turned on Shetty, you know well, does she turn on Shetty? Yeah, like she told him kill yourself. She literally said kill yourself.
Speaker 3:I have a theory that Shetty's not dead bro, if she's not dead she must be a suit, because no place like slice her own throat and survive I, I, I agree, I agree with you.
Speaker 2:But what if it was another morph changing suit? Bro like I, I just have this theory that shetty is not dead.
Speaker 3:We're gonna see no, listen, listen bro. That would be like some deep cut type shit, because we already got um shape shifters in this show, so it makes sense. But then again I'm like it wasn't that planned out the whole time. Oh, just in case, case gun comes after me, let me uh plant this um shapeshifter that will know all my memories and shit, so it'd be very convincing and whatnot like fuck yes, I've, that's my theory.
Speaker 2:I think that that's where we're headed with shetty, because we gotta remember Dean Shetty was giving her medication, so she knows everything. She knows all about Kate's gifts, right like she knows.
Speaker 3:And also there was a whole thing to where, um, since uh, kate's parents didn't accept her, that you know kind of like the the way mutants in X-Men get treats who are like, oh, she's a freak, get away from me. Kind of like what happened with Marie tomen get treated to her like, oh, she's a freak, get away from me.
Speaker 3:Kind of what happened with marie, to where she first got her powers, when she was like, uh, going through, uh, her first period yeah, yeah her period in, uh, puberty and accidentally killed her parents, her sister, calling her monster, and her whole arc was oh, I need to be a hero so that way I can prove to myself and my little sister that I'm not a monster Like fuck, I'm telling you, man.
Speaker 2:But going back to Shetty, Shetty is so good at playing the mother role, like she was even manipulating marie to a certain extent, like really trying to take these uh girls under her wing almost right, and you see it. Of course we see it more in kate. But she was at some point it felt like she was targeting marie. Like early on, when you're watching it, it felt like okay, why does she want to have this strong? Why is she leaning so far into marie? And of course we end up finding out later.
Speaker 3:They want marie's powers because it's love manipulation yeah, because with the virus, since it's gonna um, it's gonna have to be be inside, it's not like a conventional weapon, like her having Manipulation over blood, I'm like, oh shit, we can work with that.
Speaker 2:And I do want to touch on this. I want to touch on the fact that All of their I love how all of their powers related back To some kind of traumatic Experience. Or Just like I love how all of their powers related back to some kind of traumatic experience, or, um, just like with uh, what's the? The? Uh fun size, a little cricket.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like with Emma, like the binging and the purging and like you know that's based on like a real, actual illness of what is it of? Like body dysmorphia yeah and I really loved how jen v kind of went there in that kind of touching on those topics in a a way and making it not cool but making it kind of easier to talk about, especially for it's relatable to Gen Z culture.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's almost like I feel heard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, feel seen, I feel heard.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what it is. But I really liked how they played on that, especially with, especially with Reese Power, because that. But I really liked how they played on that, especially with uh, even more especially with Reese Power, because, like that, I know you're a guy and excuse me, that first time you get your period is like the craziest thing in the world and it's just so shocking and it's like this is really happening. It's gonna be my life for a while. So I like how they touched on puberty and that and even though it turned out to be a terrible event that happened to her, but just touching on that, I, I love how they brought all these things to the forefront and we just put it dead in your face like deal with it it's almost like gen b was for gen z it really is.
Speaker 2:It really felt like that.
Speaker 3:And then, uh, I love how, uh, they touched on like the influencer culture and stuff like that, and and oh, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead I was just gonna mention how you know how the boys was the whole time to where they they kind of like south park and the family got into, where, uh, they kind of bring attention to a lot of things but at the same time they just pick on everybody yeah, it's so true I can't you're so not wrong.
Speaker 2:Um, I do hate, uh, that it was kate who was manipulating them that was a deep cut. I was like, oh shit, it was the girlfriend the whole time not only was it the girlfriend, but the girlfriend was also sleeping with the best friend.
Speaker 3:No, no, oh, no, no, no. Listen, listen, I like how this happened in Gen B. And then we fast forward to season four of the Boys and Sister. Sage was fucking around with the Deep. But when Sage got quote unquote fired, she revealed that she was sleeping with Noir. And then look the way the deep looked at Noir. I was like, bro, you were already in the car. Yeah, bro, I was already in the car.
Speaker 2:Bro, that moment when it was revealed, I was like you go, girl. You. She said she was gonna get herself and I like how it was so on the down low, like we knew about, but I knew I had no idea about, no clue at all, and the fact that she hid that so well, I was like that girl really. That's my other thing too. That's the other question. When we get there is when we started talking about it. But the last thing I want to touch on with Gen B, that surprise. Okay, so Luke was played by Patrick Schwarzenegger, which is Arnold Schwarzenegger's son. Right, he was ripped before he did this. He dropped weight, he dropped muscle mass to play this role. Like.
Speaker 3:I mean. I can kind of understand, because he got to look young enough to be able to pass out you know how. Like once again calling back to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 2, I mentioned this in the Kaka Gurui Review With Tanara, where Essentially Imagine these Big swole ass Dudes and he's like. How old are you? I'm like 17. I'm like what so?
Speaker 2:true, that is so true. It'd be like bad boys and I'm like 17, I'm like what?
Speaker 3:it's so true, it'd be like bad boys. I'm like, oh, I'm 15. I'm like you look 30 bro, I'm 16.
Speaker 2:That's weird. Like man, get the fuck out of here, bro, I'm 15 and a half.
Speaker 3:Man, nah, nah, I'm not hearing all that. Like it does make sense, Aren't you too old for these type of women Like why can't you find a nice girl your own?
Speaker 1:age. I'm like, I'm 16.
Speaker 3:Do I need to show you my fucking?
Speaker 2:learner's permit, your certificate, your driver's license. What do I need to do? I promise you I'm not old enough to buy alcohol.
Speaker 1:I can't even buy cigarettes.
Speaker 3:Oh, you know what, since we're talking about coincidence, andre, but you know what, since we're talking about Coincidence, andre Played by Chance Perdomo, by the way, rest in peace to him. Did you know that he was also Ambrose from the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina? No, that was him Really. He was pretty good in that one too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did not. You're right, I did not even pay that attention no, uh, kogagasa, shout out to him.
Speaker 3:By the way, he had to point that out to me. Like whoa, I did not pay attention to that at all.
Speaker 2:Thank you for pointing that out I mean kogagasa was always coming with the facts, man, um, he always dropping knowledge on us. But like he, his character, he's such an amazing actor. He portrayed so much emotion in this show. Every time he was in a scene I knew I was either gonna feel something or something important was about to happen, like the whole, even when, even when his homeboy found out that they were like sleeping together, the look on his face was like sorry bro, like you know what man, you know what together. The look on his face was like sorry bro, wait, you know what man?
Speaker 3:you know what theory time. Since Chance Perdomo has passed away and Gen B season 2 is definitely coming next year, how were they going to write Andre out the show? Ooh, um because remember when we last saw them they were in that room. So how are they gonna explain why andre is not there?
Speaker 2:I think they're gonna put this really simple. I don't think they're gonna try to drag this out. I think that he's gonna have died from an experiment.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like. Yeah, like he got killed off screen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like he got killed off screen in an experiment, like I don't think they're gonna try to like do too much with it, because I know they said that they weren't gonna like um recast him, so they're not gonna recast him, I think they're just gonna like say he died off screen, died off camera it was, and they're gonna try to make it really brutal and gruesome. I know that, like the description of it is probably gonna be brutal and gruesome.
Speaker 3:That's how I feel but yeah, kind of brand for this universe yeah, yeah, it's, it's gotta, it's gotta evoke some emotion out. They pushed his abilities too far and they ripped him apart there you go yeah, that's a good one, that's a good one.
Speaker 2:And that would be so typical of the woods, because that's basically what was happening to Sam.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like that's.
Speaker 3:They were pushing him and kept pushing him to the point where he's basically lost his mind speaking, which I like how whenever he kills somebody he just imagined puppets, or that one time he was having sex with emma and it was like just shifting between the real version and the puppet version.
Speaker 2:I was like bro, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 3:I felt like I was on acid watching that I mean, does that not feel like the college experience?
Speaker 2:oh god, I don't know what college experience you had, but I, I didn't go to college.
Speaker 3:What are you talking about? But I mean, it feels like it like come on, like they're going to school, but on the outside Like they're partying hard, like they had that party episode when, oh, they were partying and then next thing you know they woke up and like whoa, what happened last?
Speaker 2:night they all got roofied.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so.
Speaker 2:I'm like come on.
Speaker 3:Like. Does that not sound like the college experience?
Speaker 2:It does.
Speaker 3:It definitely sounds like the college at least college experience tropes at least the tropes are there yes, absolutely, the tropes were definitely there, like that party was something else by the way that party got really wild.
Speaker 2:Because how does little cricket wake up in the pool, right, not like a regular?
Speaker 3:like she wakes up giant in the pool, alright honestly, the only other thing I was going to mention with Gen B and go ahead, get this out of there, because you know I would say not to undersell it but at the same time, just please watch it, please, just do it the fact that they brought Homelander in to quell the whole uprise. You know, like the soups, the children, the students found out about what was going on and they went crazy, they radicalized to rise up against the humans and that's gonna play into um season four, because sam is listening to all that shit and it's like hey you know what they're right.
Speaker 3:And then, uh, homelander showed up and framed it to where uh, what kind of animal are you attacking? Your own kind? And I'm like that does sound uh hypocritical coming from homelander, but that's kind of the point you attacking your own kind and I'm like that does sound uh hypocritical coming from homelander, but that's kind of the point. He is a hypocrite, so that's on brand for him. So he lasers marie and the rest and pretty much um, saves kate and sam to be like honorary members of the seven. I guess. Think about it. Think about, like this hold on Homelander Noir, deep Firecracker Sage came back, ate Sam, that's seven and Soldier Boy can probably be like daddy on the side. You know You're doing good son.
Speaker 3:Oh God, Are you proud of me, dad, you're doing good my son. Oh God, are you proud of me, dad? You're doing good my boy.
Speaker 2:Oh God.
Speaker 3:That's all everyone wants. That's so good.
Speaker 2:Don't do that.
Speaker 3:Oh, you know what? With that being said, let's just go ahead and get serious. Season 4 of the Boys. So this season starts out with the Boys pretty much trying to assassinate Victoria Newman, because she got this plan to where she's gonna run with this guy, bryan Singer, to become the president and vice president respectively, and Plan to where she's gonna Run with this guy, brian Singer, to become the president and vice president Respectively and essentially. While this was going on, butcher he's pretty much out of the boys because they're tired Of the lies. But meanwhile he got like six months to live and His old buddy, joe Kessler, shows up and try to recruit him into a mission to take down the suit. But we'll explain more about uh kessler later.
Speaker 3:Um, meanwhile, homelander being homelander, except he's aging with um white pubes and he's still trying to figure out what the hell is going on with the seven because, as per usual, some of them are being a little out of sorts erratic, unreliable, downright sloppy and and a whole bunch of shit like swear. First of all, butcher, fuck, fuck that finale. Huey, I feel so bad for Huey. Like that man couldn't catch a break during this season. Like it was bad enough with the whole thing with Tech Night, but with his dad too. Oh, and the fucking shapeshifter too, that shapeshifter shit. I was like bro man, let the man breathe, oh my.
Speaker 2:God To find out right Like that he's finally getting something. I mean he was getting something.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, hold on, hold on, back that up. He was been getting something. In fact, the season starts off With Starlight. Well, excuse me, annie, now Annie had an abortion and Firecracker had a whole Field day about that, to a point where Starlight had to Show up to that rally and show her what's really good.
Speaker 2:Listen, Firecracker deserved everything that she got. That ass whooping handed to her was so deserved. I enjoyed every last single minute, that honestly favorite scene.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like if MM wasn't there she was ready to kill that bitch.
Speaker 3:I'm like I'm getting so sick of you. And you know the whole beef was oh man, this is like some mean girl level shit. To where back in the day of their pageantry years. To where, back when Fire day of their pageantry years. To where back when Firecracker was going by?
Speaker 3:Sparkler essentially Annie wanted to win the pageant, so she spread a rumor about Sparkler sleeping with the judges to get a leg up in the competition. And then when Sparkler I'm still trying to, you know, do a thing when sparkler uh, rolled up to, uh, annie was like uh, why would you say all that shit? And uh, annie's response was I don't talk to fast, I'm like, bro, she listen, I'm like. And then the whole arc with annie was that oh yeah, you're not as good of a person as you think you are. And then by the end of the season it's like yeah, I may not be perfect, but I'm learning to live with that. It's where I'm putting the whole. She not only killed the shapeshifter, she killed that persona that she has to be, this perfect version, this starlight persona. She killed that part. So I like that part, mm, the whole thing with his family and whatnot. Oh man, I'm like come on, you brought love sausage to deal with him specifically. That's like that was petty.
Speaker 1:That was too petty.
Speaker 3:Not a whole lot on him. Honestly, half the time he get on my nerves. I get it. The straight man trope, the guy that makes sure that everybody's not doing dumb shit, but he's like such a stick in the mud sometimes I'm like, bro, chill out, do you need a blunt or something?
Speaker 2:he's too. He's too on the straight and narrow, which makes sense why A-Train is went the way that he went, right, oh, let's talk about the A-Train redemption art baby.
Speaker 3:so, uh, from season one to season four, um, I guess you can say he um was trying to make amends for the fact that he's not really seen as a hero, he's not really here, especially towards um, his brother who, because the whole blue hawk shit, uh, his brother is disillusioned by a train being an actual hero and essentially a train was trying to make up with it by saving mm's life without barely anybody knows except for that one kid, um, noticing that, uh, he just saved the person's life and that's pretty much what he needed to where, it's like for the first time, he actually felt like a hero. And then, when huey, uh, when he helped huey during this season, being the mole for uh, for them, and then I like how he pretty much dipped after all that happened to her, once he finally was forgiven by Huey, he was gone. I was like theory time, possibility of A-Train coming back to help the boys.
Speaker 2:Big possibility. I think that's going to end up being a no-brainer.
Speaker 3:But then I'm wondering I know she's been gone for a while but I don't know if she's like completely written out the story. But I was kind of also wondering are they gonna bring in queen may from, uh, some sort of perspective, like I kind of want to see her one more time before they close out this main scene?
Speaker 2:I would love to, but I don't. I think if she comes back, I had a theory that she would make an appearance in the last battle. That's the only time she's going to come back. I don't think we're going to see her before then. I don't think she's going to have much of a role in that last season that we're gonna get, but it'd be cool to see her back, cause she was one of my favorite characters. I just don't think she could. Really. They did a number on Queen, like everything that she's gone through.
Speaker 2:I don't think she even can handle coming back. So but it'd be cool, I mean also considering that she lost her power.
Speaker 3:so I'm not saying like she's gonna fight, but like at least one last appearance, maybe like an epilogue of things, depending on what happens.
Speaker 2:I could see that.
Speaker 3:I thought it's way different than the. The show is way different from the comics, and thank god for it, because if you read the comics it gets worse.
Speaker 2:I can't read it. It's so listen, it's already. The Boys is really graphic for me. Already. It took graphic to a whole other level for me. I can't read the comic. If y'all want to go read it, go read it. It's so graphic, it goes there. It goes even more there than the show, which is saying something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, of course they weren't going to do everything, but I'm very glad that they at least tried to Gross moment of the season. Aside from the whole thing with Tech, nike and Ashley while Huey was cosplaying as Web Weaver, I would say the grossest one was was this one guy who was duplicating himself was jerking off to a picture of firecracker?
Speaker 3:but, it was in the sauna room and if you watch that one movie with the people together, you kinda see where I'm going with this movie with the people together. You kind of see where I'm going with this.
Speaker 2:Yep, I get it, Yep.
Speaker 3:By the way, we're never reviewing that movie. That's on the banned list. That movie is banned.
Speaker 2:I'm so glad you're saying that, cause I could not.
Speaker 3:I'm like bro. Everybody was like no, we are not talking about that movie. I'm like hey man, you don't have to tell me I'm not talking about. I'll give you references, that's the best you'll get Out of me, but we're not talking about that.
Speaker 2:No, thanks, I'm glad um the grossest scene, for it wasn't even. I guess it's not the grossest, but the idea of it is the grossest thing to me sister sage giving herself a lobotomy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like, wait a minute, so you have to dumb yourself down to find the deep. Good enough to where, like, okay, I can, like she had to dumb herself down to where I'm like, oh man, you're like I can fuck better people than the deep.
Speaker 2:You might have to give me a lobotomy so I'll be like more in the mood, you know like she's gotta give herself a lobotomy just just so she can like function at a regular human's level. That is christ, like that is. Her mind is so, is constantly learning and constantly consuming so much information that she can't stop thinking. So she has to give herself a lobotomy. And and of course, if you know, like the history behind psychology and lobotomies and like it messes with your frontal lobe completely and takes all of your ability to think straight, but for her it makes her normal. That is the craziest thing to me. That scene grossed me out so bad and the fact that she had to keep doing it and then she has the deep doing it for her Like it's a romantic thing, uh well, nope is that that foreplay that y'all been talking about?
Speaker 3:I'm like whoa what kind of foreplay.
Speaker 2:Is that now? A plain doctor ain't nobody, ain't nobody, don't nobody want to be in that, nobody, I don't want to play that kind of doctor. Ever, I don't even want to be a nurse in that environment. I'm good, but like Sister Sage is my favorite character and most hated character.
Speaker 3:By the way, do you recognize the actress from Orange is the New Black? She was one of the guards in that show no, she was not. You're lying look it up.
Speaker 2:Susan Hayward look it up wait a minute, that is, that is Whoa. I did not recognize it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what, you know what, the more you know.
Speaker 2:You know what she killing it, you know how old she is.
Speaker 3:Okay, let's keep it moving, speaking of you know what?
Speaker 2:Just saying you go girl, you killing it.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's all I'm gonna say speaking of suits with mental powers, ashley. So she's scrambling right, she's on the chopping block of humans that need to die in this new world order type shit that home lantern's on now and she took some compound b just to have a fighting chance theory time. What would her ability be? Because keep in mind when she was, uh like going through the metamorphosis and you know, her wig dropped. Remember when she was like losing her hair and like bro, like no indication that she was still baloulding until that moment.
Speaker 3:And also keep in mind when that was Happening, the screen which was brought by Home Pump and I'm being a little cry baby Broke the screen, but the screen was kind of Reacting To her like and with the brain, something going on with her head. I'm like thinking is it going to be like Some sort of mental power? Is she going to have like Some sort of Manipulation over technology or some shit? Like I'm trying to figure out what's her deal going to be. Is she going to be like the leader or some shit? Not the leader as in leader of the seven, I'm talking about the leader as in from Marvel Comics. You know that one dude who was like a villain for the whole, but he was like super brainy instead of super strong.
Speaker 3:I think okay just a theory, a television theory. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2:I think my theory is that her powers are going to end up being somewhat related to her ability to be a dom, like when she's been a sub and a dom. Like when she's been a sub and a dom.
Speaker 3:Oh, her relationship with Cameron, like bro. Okay, first of all, this dude is like okay, you're a dom on the screen, but you're a sub under the sheets. Meanwhile, you have this woman who's dominant in the sheets, but she's being submissive to Homelander.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And I think my theory is that she's gonna want to flip this role. She's gonna want to be a dom over Homelander, like why not right At this point? And I think it's gonna be.
Speaker 3:It is the recurring theme.
Speaker 3:Because Homelander always needs Somebody to like Psychologically dominate him In a sense, to where it's like Season 1, madeline Stilwell. Season 2, stormfront, season 3. I think it was like Stan, edgar and, um, I'm trying to remember. But uh, then now, season four, it's pretty much Sister Sage, because remember, when she came back after everything that happened with Newman and everything, and she was like, oh, it's part of the plan the whole time I kind of want to call bullshit on that. That was like even she said, oh, yeah, I kind of uh, counted for all the um mistakes that you made. You know you being you, and blah, blah.
Speaker 3:I'm like uh-uh, that sounds too coincidental. It sounds like some eisen type shit where I'm like, no fucking way you saw all of this coming. It's like it just felt like a cop out, being like that smart villain, to where I'm like, yeah, I kind of knew it was gonna happen all the time. It's like it just felt like a cop out, being like that smart villain, to where I'm like, yeah, I kind of knew it was gonna happen all the time. It's exactly as I foresee. And I'm like, really, really, I'm like I'm gonna let you have this because it just gives you an excuse to be back into the narrative, but I feel like that was a cop out.
Speaker 2:I do too. I do too. I agree.
Speaker 3:I feel like I think that's why I loved and hated the characters yeah, it's like, it's almost like too convenient, which is why I understand why not only did they wait until now to bring in this girl, but also the fact that with season 4, people were saying like, oh, it fell off, it's not exciting. No, no, no, let them cook, because they're getting ready for their final season in two years from now.
Speaker 3:So they're slow cooking season four to prepare for season five. So I kind of understand why she's now in narrative this late into the story, but at the same time she would have made things too convenient. So that's why I'm kind of glad that she was barely involved in the whole grand scheme of things Up until teammates got killed off and whatnot or betraying Homelander, or Homelander killing his own teammates like fucking the first Black Noir who did nothing wrong except didn't tell you that your daddy was Soulja Boy that is not Black Noir's fault he really did nothing wrong that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:It's like, yeah, like I knew, but but I didn't know a good time to tell you. How was I supposed to tell you? Yeah, like there was not a good time for that. Like, how can I tell you that?
Speaker 2:naturally, when does that come up in conversation? Hey, bruh, you know, while you're drinking mommy's milk, is that when he was supposed to say that?
Speaker 3:No, no, it would have been more like hey, so how was your day backing on Payback? And I was like, eh well, you know it was an experience. If you've seen season three, you already know. But yeah, like you know, and like hey, how's Soulja Boy? Like was he like a great leader, and great leader I'm like. Well, let me put it to you like this he reminds Me of you To a degree and I'm like what do you mean by that? I'm like you know Sit down.
Speaker 2:I got something to say you know that thing that you call a boy that that's. I got something to say. You know that thing that you call a boy, that that's. It's a son. You know you have one of those. Maybe he had one and maybe that person grew up To be someone really. Great Like. Is that how the conversation no, no grew up to be someone really great Like.
Speaker 3:Is that how the conversation? No, no, he grew up to be the strongest soup in the world and I'm like wait, I'm the strongest, Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 2:Is that how that was supposed to go? Like I think he would have killed him anyway.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so you're going to keep that was supposed to go. Like I think he would have killed him anyway. Yeah, like, so you're going to keep this a secret the whole time. I'm like were you going to kill me?
Speaker 2:regardless, like what do you want from me? What was I supposed to do here? What I did love about Black Noir, though what I loved about the casting is they just used the same actor Because we never saw his face.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, you like talking Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And so, since we never saw his face, I love that.
Speaker 3:Oh how, apparently this one not only has like durable skin and whatnot, but he can fly too, like uh. I saw that one meme that was like uh parodying uh the first shrek movie with um, he was flying. I was like wait, he can fly. He can fly, he can talk. You know the whole fight, you know the boys versus uh, the deep end noir.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it. Honestly I love the like the new black noir. He got spunk. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:He got attitude and he got that murder boner when he killed also Ashley. Yeah, when that happened. It's okay, bro. The first one had the murder boner too.
Speaker 2:His reaction was just like oh, when that happened, it's okay, bro, the first one had the moan or two his reaction was just like oh well, that's a thing you know.
Speaker 3:It makes sense why sister sage was like yeah, can't wait oh, and don't think I wasn't gonna talk about everybody's favorite couple in this show, frenchie and Kimiko. Okay.
Speaker 2:Oh man.
Speaker 3:Listen.
Speaker 2:Can we talk about Frenchie?
Speaker 3:Okay, this man, he's been through some shit. He killed people We've seen it and he was feeling so bad about it that he had to turn himself in because he just couldn't bear with his sins, especially once he had to tell colin that, uh, yeah, um, I was hired by a lady to kill your family um, I know we're sleeping together and we share a bed and everything like that and we're in a relationship, but I just hope you kill me.
Speaker 3:No, fuck you. If I ever see your face again, I will kill you. And then meanwhile Kimiko was going to therapy about her issues and she also killed people too. But also we find well we get a little bit more clarification that the reason why she doesn't talk is because she was traumatized into not talking because, like, she was raised to be a killer by shining light. So she was pretty much told during her training days that if you make a sound as you kill your opponent, they'll kill you too. So she had to learn how to kill without making a sound. That's pretty much why she's the way she is. It's not like a actual issue, it's like she's just traumatized. Like, well, I'm gonna say, you know, I'm trying to get at um, but then as soon as he's like kind of healing or the very least, frenchie and kimiko finally hook up, because they were both kind of pushing each other away. Well, frenchie was always interested, but kimiko was kind of pushing him away because, oh, I think you can find someone better than me.
Speaker 3:I'm like Moncur, there is no one better and I'm like oh, Frenchie, yeah, my boy. And then they kiss. And Kimiko told Starlight like yeah they're like girl moment type shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was so cute.
Speaker 3:The most heart-wrenching part was at the end, where they were about to run away together. But then Kate and Sam busted up their shit. Kate told Frenchie to get in the van and then, while Kimiko was being restrained by Sam, she said her first word and I shit you not, mirror J, I shit you not. Mira J, I shit you not. The first thought I had was that one moment in Rugrats in Paris, when Chucky was running into the altar like no, it was like his first word.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, how did you just make that emotional scene hilarious? You're so not, I'm not. I'm gonna replay that every time I see that scene again. I'm just gonna see fucking chucky running. No, that became his favorite word forever. Like that man said no to everything.
Speaker 3:Can you imagine Kimiko doing that in season 5? It's like, oh, now that, no, she can talk. It's like, oh, her favorite word is no now apparently.
Speaker 2:The only word she can say is no. If you ask her she's hungry, she's gonna say no, but she's probably hungry. Oh my god, that would be so hilarious. Say is no, if you ask her she's hungry, she's gonna say no, but she's probably hungry. Oh my god, that would be so hilarious. And that obvious. Watching frenchie just get it made me hate kate so much. Yeah, and honestly, this is why I don't put it past. That was her name, but still alive, because ain't no way you talking about Newman.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's why I feel like she's still alive.
Speaker 3:Well, hold on, I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think Because Butcher did rip her in half with his cancer tentacles His cancer tentacles. That's the weird part, I'm like, of all things. I thought I was gonna get the laser vision, like he did in on season three, but I was like, oh, this is this is different yeah, this is like different, like I guess oh, how did you uh, what did you think about?
Speaker 2:butcher? And like, basically, with, uh, with compound V, causing that side effect for them to be able to see, they starting to see shit.
Speaker 3:I'm glad you mentioned that, because there's another thing I want to talk about with Butcher, to where he was having like this shoulder angel, shoulder devil type situation where Kessler was the shoulder devil where, by the way, kessler didn't actually survive in that one mission with Butcher like Butcher was just misremembering and he actually died in that mission, but he just assumed he was alive, but he was actually the shoulder devil that gives Butcher the access to the suit power. It's like, uh, kessler is the dark side, being hallucinated. Uh, meanwhile, becca was serving as his shoulder angel for like, uh, half of the season up until um Kessler pretty much took over, which, by the way, we're gonna talk about fucking Ryan. Ryan, oh, I'm mad at you Ryan. I'm no, I can't be too mad at him. It's's kind of nuanced, but I'll get to him.
Speaker 3:With Butcher, he had that going on and he was also trying to take the virus from Samir Newman's husband. I mean, I didn't even know she was there. Then again, it just feels like he's one of those guys where I'm like, yeah, I can tell who wears the pants in this relationship.
Speaker 3:I mean yeah but here, listen, like Samir was helping um develop the virus and remember, call back to GMV, that very, very same virus that butcher was looking into found out that um godoken university was developing it. He tracked down the scientist who's making the virus and you were thinking like, oh, they're gonna be heroes and make sure that it's destroyed, or uh, whatnot right? And i'm'm like nope. But you're wondering for himself, he still wants to kill all suits because he hates all suits. Like it was even that conflict where it's like so you're on this mission to kill all suits. So you're simply saying fuck you to Starla and Kimiko.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the people on your team who were on your team because you got kicked out, and Kimiko. Yeah, the people on your team who were on your team because you got kicked out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean the way he showed up. The last time he showed up it was like so cold, it was like you could just tell his aura was dark, like maybe it was like the lighting and shit, but it was like he always had like that aura going on for him, but at the same time it was like more so, like you can tell he really crossed the dark side. Now I mean, then again, um, they kind of uh, foreshadowed that, um, in the later, in the earlier seasons, where yeah butcher always had that demon, that monster in him and he was trying to fight it.
Speaker 3:But once Ryan killed off Grace Because, by the way, let's talk about that real quick. So Ryan is still on the fence between being with Butcher and Grace and being with Homelander, his father, his excuse me, his mother's sperm donor, because he's not much of a father, even though he tried to be there for Ryan and shit. I'm like, let's be honest, you only care for the kid because he has your DNA. That's it Like, come on.
Speaker 2:I think the other thing, the only reason he cares for him, is because he thinks that him is because he thinks that this is his way of being a father.
Speaker 3:Or breaking the cycle, how the way he was brought up. It was so fucked up to a point where they made a whole episode out of that. I was like, oh so you're laughing at me while I'm beating my meat right? Alright, let me pull up a chair and watch you beat your meat right now. And then, as soon as he was done, I was like you good. And I was like you sure, all right, cool, laced his dicks off.
Speaker 2:That chunk was so brutal.
Speaker 3:And then the other guy. I'm sorry, go, go, go, go, let me get through it and then the other guy I'm sorry, I'm, I'm, I'm Go, go, go, go, let me get through.
Speaker 3:Then the second guy, to where I'm like hey, you remember when you used to throw me into this life-size oven and see if I would burn alive and shit? It'd be like that one scene from Spongebob where, like Spongebob, packard, have Packard, have the coffee, and it's like, get in. I was like I don't think I want to. I was like I'm not asking you, I'm telling you to get in the fucking room.
Speaker 3:And then yeah, you didn't hear my screams. I'm like, oh sorry, I can't hear you. And then, uh, you know, it was pretty much going through all of them to a point to where, uh, barb was the only one left and she just watched it. Horror how everybody else just got killed in this one room.
Speaker 3:But, uh, yeah, essentially, um, homelander wanted to make sure that Ryan didn't have the same upbringing that, uh, he did, but too late for that because he was born in fucking captivity.
Speaker 3:Think about it. Um, as soon as Becca had the kid, they had to run away from Homelander in this isolated community where Ryan couldn't have friends or shit like he could have like tutors, you know, like homeschool type shit, but the only real friend he had was his mama. So, essentially, um, ryan almost had the same backstory as a homelander, it's just the only difference is at least he has some people that like cared for him and shit, but outside of that he's not that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. So, which brings us back to the whole thing with Butcher and Grace and Ryan, to where Grace was trying to convince him to stop Homelander, but he was like, no, that's my father. And pretty much Grace was trying to level with. I'm going to level with you kid your daddy, raped your mama and you showed up telling the whole truth nothing but the truth, with you. Kid your daddy, raped your mama and you sewed up.
Speaker 2:Telling the whole truth. Nothing but the truth. Like listen.
Speaker 3:And Butcher was like hey, hey, hey, let's not go. No, no, he need to know he always crying no, why does it sound like everybody hates Chris? That's from Talladega Nights but, oh God, why does it sound like everybody hates Chris? What does it sound like? That's from Talladega Nights, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh God.
Speaker 3:But no, for real, though, like at that point they just had a little one, like hey man, listen, your daddy ain't Look. He may be your father, but he ain't your daddy. Oh God, no, but I don't feel good about this. And then Grace was like inching towards the button. I'm like I'm really not giving you a choice, that it matter. And then Ryan was getting all burst into a point where I just had to push her into the wall. Then she died and whatnot, and that was all the motivation Butcher needed to be like hey man, you know what? Fuck everything else. I'm just gonna go out swinging, I'm gonna give in to the dark side and kill all suits like all of them are no good, all of them are just like turn on your what he wanted to say.
Speaker 2:If he couldn't, he can't or feels like he can't, and that's poor little Ryan. And, honestly, the subtle thing that I liked About this was Homelander constantly trying to Get Ryan to drink fresh milk In multiple ways, constantly giving him milkshakes. It felt like A weird Like he was trying to multiple ways, like constantly giving him milkshakes. It felt like a weird like he was trying to bond with him, but it also felt like a weird mind manipulation, like he was like.
Speaker 3:The more you drink it, the more you become like me it's like that one meme where, uh, the dad that um wants you to watch all the movies that he watched growing up is like you are not you, you are me right, you're just a mini me and eventually a big me you remember that? Like they were like trying to workshop that into where he gonna do the same shit homeowner does and just call him homeboy. I'm like really, really, are y'all sure y'all want to workshop that?
Speaker 2:name. That's not a.
Speaker 3:But hey, is he the homeboy or the new bright burn.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I'm going all over the place on this review.
Speaker 2:You did not have to bring that up.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, Was there anything else about this season that I want to talk about. I know there was like a couple of things. I know I was like kind of referencing it, couple of things. I know we, I was like kind of referencing it, but any thoughts on the web weaver episodes where he, we had to like impersonate web weaver to try to get close to the tech night, whatnot, and, uh, pretty much get into that bdsm um situation with him and ashley, and then um, lato was in the on code, like just tied up and shit.
Speaker 3:And then the butler showed up and like, yeah, they eventually got Freed and all that. And I kind of like how Starlight, annie, bad habit, annie was pretty much like Black, well, not really Torturing in a way Torturing him into like, okay, you gonna give away your money to this community in this charity. I like no, fuck all of you. No, stop giving away my money, stop there, please. And they're like all right, all right, you got yeah. And then, after all that, the butler dude um, because you know tet night is like a parody of batman um, which, by the way, weird enough, the seven is modeled after the justice league, but everything else feels like marvel you notice that, I did notice that, I did but uh, I think the funny part with the butler was that Zendaya, the safe word was.
Speaker 1:Zendaya.
Speaker 3:I was like really, yeah, really, I mean, that would make sense, because you know Web Weaver.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really, it was really spot on.
Speaker 3:Good lord.
Speaker 2:It was definitely right on the nose, that episode. I'll be honest with you, that episode, yeah, homelander literally ripped him in half.
Speaker 3:Like a King Clark type shit.
Speaker 2:I just that episode really that turned my stomach, that episode really did it.
Speaker 3:Nah, the worst part was when Ashley got involved and then, when she was done, she just wiped herself on his face. I'm like no, fuck, no, I can't Fuck. No, you did not just do that to me If I was you. You did not just do that to me.
Speaker 2:Can we talk about when they were trying to torture? When they were trying to torture Tech and the fact that all the pain was just making him super hot. Like I, just, I just, I just couldn't. He was so addicted to that. I just was like what is happening in this episode?
Speaker 3:I mean keep in mind that that boy's a freak, like if you've seen Gen V. Every time he sees a fucking hole he's sticking his dick in it.
Speaker 1:Everywhere.
Speaker 3:I'm like bro Really.
Speaker 2:This show is not for the faint of heart.
Speaker 3:Is there anything else? Because, honestly, I don't even want to end this review on that note.
Speaker 2:We can definitely switch Homelander, seeing Soulja Boy at the end.
Speaker 3:Oh, yes, see, that's what I'm talking about. First of all, the way they play that one song they play at the end of season three. The way they did it, it sounded like, oh you remember Season 3 you remember this guy. Bro, we know who the fuck this is. You don't have to like Give us that hint, hint, nudge, nudge. But at the same time, see Homelander Was about to tear up and all that shit, and I was like, daddy, you're still alive. I'm like, finally, I'm gonna get that attaboy from papa oh my god.
Speaker 2:And Homelander? I don't think Homelander gets it, but Homelander thinks in his mind he's gonna to rule this planet with his daddy.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, Listen, listen, it's going to be like this, okay, okay, I got one more thing, and that's what we're going to end the review up on. It's going to lead to Hear me out my theory is, since he got the new president Under his thumb Because, you know, after Newman got assassinated and Singer was arrested for having An association with Deep State Starlighters who was Behind the assassination, so the Boys got Blamed for that, even though, yeah, they were in the room, but Butcher was the one. And so the boys got Got blamed for that, even though, yeah, they were in the room, but Butchery was the one that killed Newman.
Speaker 1:So they got blamed for that.
Speaker 3:They're all getting blamed for that. But point being Is that, with all this going on, the new president Will be under Homelander Homelander. Homelander will still take advice from Sister Sage and also getting approval from Soldier Boy. But here's my thing Theory time, and this is the wildest one yet Soldier Boy banging Sister Sage.
Speaker 2:Why.
Speaker 1:Why? You know what why?
Speaker 2:Why is that where?
Speaker 3:Because, first of all, it would be kind of funny seeing how the dude from like 1950s, like Captain America ripoff, wears like, oh well, how do you feel about Black PO Like, oh no, Soulja Boy loved some chocolate, oh my God. And think about it to get a prequel series, bought rising to where it's going to be, how bought is going to be rising to power and then it's going to be starring soldier boy and stormfront. Who's going by liberty back then? And there's an implication that they have sexual here three together. So I'm trying to imagine um, would soldier boy bang sister sage?
Speaker 3:Because you would think, what about Firecracker? No, no, because the actress Valerie Curry I hope I got that right she's a lesbian in real life, so it wouldn't make sense. In fact that kind of makes sense why it sounded better if Homelander said oh, I'm not sexually attracted to you, oh, that's okay, you don't have to be sexually attracted to me, uh, check this out. And then just squirts breast milk on him. So if not firecracker, and definitely not k, then the only other person it would make sense for him to be, like having relations within the seven. If he's going to be hanging around the seven like that is Sage and, oh, even better, Soldier Boy would be the first, would be the only dude on the team where Sage didn't have to get a lobotomy to sleep with him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just thinking that I was like that'd probably be the only person she would not have to.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Because, you know, soulja Boy, yeah, he is who he is, but I can't. I don't hate him, though.
Speaker 2:I don't hate Soulja Boy. Now a bigger plot twist, which is completely out of the way, but Soulja Boy turning on Homelander.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's going to happen. That's going to happen.
Speaker 2:I mean, sister Sage has completed her thing. She just wanted to prove she could do it right. This is for fun.
Speaker 3:Now even Sage herself Said that there's only one person that you Can't defeat and I'm like, who's that supposed to be? That could be Soldier boy, that could be Ryan, that could be a metaphor For himself where it can go Either way with that. But yeah, like I can kind of see that with Homelander and Sage and all that, but I just think the whole Soulja Boy banging Sage thing, I don't think that's going to happen. But if it did, not only would it be funny, but on the record, I did call that if it happens, you definitely called it, like you're going to get a phone call from me.
Speaker 2:you said it. I did call that. If it happens, you definitely called it, like you're going to get a phone call from me, like you said it. Now I have to deal with this.
Speaker 3:But you know one more thing. I swear to God, this is the last one. Okay, I fucking love how Eric Kripke pretty much made a spiritual successor to Supernatural by making the boys. But unlike Supernatural, the boys is more super and less natural.
Speaker 2:It's that's so true, and what I love is that I think that spinoff we're getting a full Supernatural reunion.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, we come on, doll Bring back Jerry, let him be Marathon man or some shit.
Speaker 2:Or if we Now, that would blow my mind Season 5, jared Padalecki shows up.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, yes, that would blow my mind, because already have bobby yeah, we got bobby, we got jensen, we got all jeffrey, like come on dog like just go ahead like season five or I.
Speaker 2:If it happens in the spinoff, that'd be even better. Like I would love that so much oh yeah, but you know what?
Speaker 3:I'm pretty much spent on this review. Uh, mary jane, I do thank you for joining me for this one, and I thank the ladies and gentlemen for tuning in. Uh, remember that we are on facebook and instagram. I'm still trying to fight myself to get more presence on Twitter and we're going to be launching a YouTube channel relatively soon. Don't hold me on an exact date, but it's coming. But until then, stay nerdy. Remember that great things are coming. We're going to go ahead and zone out of here, so go ahead and have yourself a good morning, good afternoon and good evening.
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