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The Legend of Korra: An Undercooked "Krew", Nuanced Villains and the Future of the Avatar
Is "The Legend of Korra" a worthy successor to "Avatar: The Last Airbender," or does it fall short of its predecessor's legacy? Join J.B. Xtreme and Kokugatsu as we dissect the strengths and weaknesses of Korra's journey, from her frustrating decisions to the show's uneven pacing. We'll critically examine each season's highs and lows, humorously critique the infamous love triangle, and reflect on how technological advancements question the necessity of the Avatar in a modern world.
We also venture into the complexities of LGBTQ+ representation in children's media, drawing parallels between "The Legend of Korra," "Rugrats," and Disney films. How do networks like Nickelodeon and Disney navigate these themes, and what backlash do they face? Our discussion expands to series like "The Dragon Prince," exploring how they tackle similar topics with subtlety and nuance. Additionally, we compare Aang and the "Gaang" vs. Korra and her "Krew", analyzing their unique strengths and weaknesses, and the importance of timing in storytelling to mitigate backlash.
Dive deep into the lore and cyclical nature of the Avatar universe as we explore the epic battle between Rava and Vaatu and the challenges Korra faced during her tenure. We'll touch on the side characters, like Toph and Bolin, and the societal dynamics within the Northern Water Tribe. Lastly, we speculate on the future projects from Avatar Studios, sharing our excitement for how they might expand and enrich this beloved universe. Tune in for a thoughtful, humorous, and passionate discussion that's sure to leave you eager for more.
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Welcome back to the Zone Podcast, the show where you can laugh and learn at the same time. I'm Jet Black Extreme and today's topic is the Legend of Korra, the sequel to Avatar. The Last Airbender Joining me again is Kokugatsu. We might be joined by Mira Jane and we might have some others, but we'll see. Without further ado, let's go ahead and zone in on it.
Speaker 1:Legend of korra how can I put this? Does it still hold up to this day? Is it better than the previous series? Is it even good in the first place? I'll tell. Tell you this I think it is good, not better than the first series, but it's not bad. I will say season one was pretty good. Season two was shitty. Season three okay, we're now cooking with gas again.
Speaker 1:Season four you had me in that first half, I'm not going to lie. Season 4 you had me in that first half, not gonna lie. Oh gosh. Yeah, that's how I'm feeling about Legend of Korra as far as the pacing, storytelling point of view. I mean, it had things where, okay, advancements in technology, okay, we'rements in technology, okay, we're now in a time period to where the Avatar is not that needed anymore, like, yeah, there's benders and whatnot, but we don't really need an Avatar because there's not a war going on. So, yeah, you may be able to enter the Avatar state, you may be like a descendant of the original avatar and yeah, you're like a master of all four elements, but yeah, but we don't really need you for much like, if anything. You're more like a celebrity, that's just. You're just a. Yeah, that's pretty much what you are, pretty much as a celebrity around here, but outside of that it's like eh, eh, they pretty much treat her like a normal person, outside of that, half the time. Korra, I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:Korra gives me mixed feelings, like I don't hate her, but she does shit that pisses me off. Sometimes. Cora gives me mixed feelings, like I don't hate her, but she does shit that pisses me off sometimes, especially in Season 2, to where it seemed like she would either side with her daddy or side with Unala, just because Unala was telling her all the shit that she wanted to hear and whatnot. And everybody else was like Cora, you can't do that. Like, well, why not? I'm the Avatar, I should do whatever I want. Storm out here, you know, in an air-bending, fire-bending, earth-bending kind of way. You know, you know?
Speaker 1:Oh, and let me tell you that love triangle oh my God, one of the most unnecessary love triangles I've ever seen, like, if anything, I'm kind of laughing at the fact that by the end of this series, it's funny how Mako dated both Korra and Asami and both of his ex-girlfriends are now dating each other. And I kind of like how at the end it was implied but it was not like super confirmed, like they didn't kiss each other, but it was like kind of implied. And the end, it was implied but it was not like super confirmed, like they didn't kiss each other, but it was like kind of implied. And at first I was like hold on, this kind of came out of nowhere. But no, no, no, I was slightly mistaken. I say slightly mistaken because it's more like, yeah, it was kind of there between season three and four, but they didn't focus on to 12 points where it had that chemistry, it had that sports where, like, it could go that direction. But uh, it was one of those things where like, uh, a same-sex relationship on nickelodeon, that was like. That was back when they probably didn't want to cross that line. But now we're at a time where stuff like this is another Tuesday, you know, and hey man, I'm all for it. I'm just saying that if, if it was more convincing, a more convincing build up, then I wouldn't mind it at all.
Speaker 1:But it just to a degree, at the end of it it just felt out of nowhere or at the very least it didn't feel very earned, like it just kind of you just kind of want to assume that they kind of had feelings for each other, but they just didn't really see it that much, see it like that as it played out. But but uh, yeah, um, who else? Bolin? Bolin, he's kind of funny, but I feel like to a degree they tried to make him the new Sokka and I'm like it kind of don't work for Bolin sometimes, and also between him, mako, asami, pretty much the side characters.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it feels like they give these characters something to do, but it barely have anything to do with the main conflict, like they're just involved but they're not like a player in this conflict, like it's usually either some villain trying to do their agenda and the avatar just trying to stop them, that's pretty much it and the crew by the way, we had the gang in the first series, now it's the crew, the crew just kind of get involved where it's like it's mainly the Korra show, unless they just throw themselves in the mix.
Speaker 1:But I want to say this is why I'm glad that Avatar Studios is now a thing to where this is the kind of franchise, the kind of universe where you can go back in time, forward in time, to where you can have these different, uh, reincarnations of the Avatar and you can kind of really flesh out this whole world. But good thing, there's like more projects like an adult gang movie coming out like I still hearing about this one story to where they're gonna have twin avatars where one's gonna be an earthbender, the other one's a firebender but they gonna both like achieve the avatar state or something like that, and I really wanna see that. I really want to see that. I really want to see how that plays out. But, um, that's enough of what my general view about legend of korra cookie. So what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2:okay, so you touched base on all parts into it.
Speaker 1:Good lord, but it was like I thought I had this, I was gonna do it like a little bit, and then I just kept expanding it the more I thought about it and I'm like okay, let me stop before I completely make you irrelevant to this review nah, you can't do that, can't do that, can't do that at all.
Speaker 2:I gotta try to put something in, but look, um. So Legend of Korra is one of those series. Is the fact that and I'm gonna have to put it in this simple aspect it suffers from a writer's thing where it makes more sense when you've read the comics, and that's that's one of the harder things to put into that. Because for fans who came straight from Avatar, the Last Airbender, you know, heard of Legend of Korra coming and that's it. And I'm talking about you literally only watched the show. You didn't read the comics about what happened to Aang and the gang after Fire, lord Ozai was defeated. You don't know nothing about that, about what happened with Zuko and his and him trying to find his mother, and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:If you came straight from watching that show immediately to Legend of Korra, you instantly hit it hard and you don't understand. Because you don't understand what's going on, because there's so much story building that's in this, that is actually in the comics that give a better understanding. Like, for example, you said the ending didn't feel necessarily worth it into that aspect as far as whether it felt like it was implied Well in the comics. No, they are straight up dating, like, literally, korra and Asami walk into the spirit room and that's where the comic start is. Right after that is that they literally go on dates and they're dating in the spirit world. That's just a whole thing for them.
Speaker 2:But it's one of those ones, like you said, it just kept feeling implied. It kept feeling implied. But the reason being is also because nickelodeon. Nickelodeon could push the agenda as far as they want on certain stuff. Cartoon network does as well too, but we're still talking about a kid show in america. There's only going to be so far you can go before they straight up cancel your series. Nowadays we can.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying so look, nowadays we can have a show exactly keep in mind now, like Rugrats is just straight up made Phil and Lil's dad gay and their mom gay as well too, just straight up said look they were. It was the homosexual and the lesbian that tried to make it work and they realized that's just not how that works and they decided to go do their own thing. And they kept dropping subtle hints throughout Rugrats about this that as a kid you never pay much attention, but as an adult you're like yo, what what is sexual.
Speaker 1:You know we only got married because you know it's a vital standard pretty much, but for real.
Speaker 2:So it's the fact that like, but now they're just they're able to straight up say it. But keep in mind, onto this the new rugrat show is not on regular tv. They still won't put it on regular tv.
Speaker 1:You still have to go to paramount plus to watch it just saying, yeah, I imagine there's like a band episodes too, like there's a whole lot of band episodes too. There will be a whole lot of banned episodes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Nickelodeon still will not push that agenda. It's still very heavy in the fact that it will not push that agenda. I mean, look at Disney. Disney right now still has a movie where the main character is trans and the thing about it is that they've completely hidden it. They made the movie, but disney's had to completely hide it because they're trying to maintain most of their fan base, because people will absolutely try to cancel it the minute that some people find out oh, you have a movie where the main character is trans. You're trying to push trans on our children. What is wrong with you?
Speaker 1:our children. What is wrong with you? Oh listen, that part did it best where they did. They did it on with the panda verse where it's like oh, disney's all about um strong female leaves. Uh person of color, make her gay pretty much.
Speaker 2:I mean keep in mind as well too, like how buzz look. This is one of the craziest things and, honestly, you're gonna hear it here first and I'm gonna make a whole I gotta, I gotta still work on this review onto it as well too. Um, but remember buzz, like the light year movie, wound up getting the big cancellation because at the beginning of the movie, literally when buzz is like, uh, his captain if I'm correct, she was. Um, I finally got a chance to watch the movie but, um, she, she married a woman and because they're so far advanced in technology, they made a child together, like they had a son that had both of their dna into it. They could do that because the technology was advanced enough for them to do so should be pretty straightforward. The whole movie got completely canceled onto that. Literally the minute people found that out, they struck, they, they put a strike on the movie. The movie completely lost everything and it was a pretty decent movie.
Speaker 2:That's what we need men for, I'm just saying. But here's the other thing about it too. So, going back and this is also something if you haven't listened to my review on Dragon Prince on Netflix because this is also a kid's show too Keep in mind onto this. Two on Dragon Prince on Netflix, because this is also a kid's show too, keep in mind onto this. Two guys made a baby together using magic. That literally happens in the show.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you see what I mean, right, but it's one of those things that's kind of hidden into that and it still kind of came out. There's a whole nother thing into it, but it's still one of those moments where it like no, this, this is our child, this is our baby, we made this baby, and it's like wait, what? But it's still one of those moments of like this happens. But the minute people really like realize this is what happens, they completely cancel it out. The reason being is because that whole segment I talk about the dragon prince and I'm gonna talk about it again because season six just dropped, so be looking forward for my review dropping onto that soon. Um, but as far as into that, it's like as soon as you got that reveal of who, that this was their child, that these two guys made a child together.
Speaker 2:The child winds up having to die and there's a whole thing into that. So it completely gets covered up or completely gets overshadowed by that point. You don't focus on that anymore. So unless someone like me, points it out that hey, don't forget that this is what happened. They just kind of overshadowed it, but this is what happened and it's like those agendas get pushed and people are still very much against it. I mean, plus, look what's happening right now with the election. So you know all types of stuff.
Speaker 2:So, but legend of korra back to legend of korra is the fact that you have to read those comics to get a more understanding, because that's where the writers have more freedom. They're very, very limited in what they could do, what they could do in the show. At the time things became more like. Legend of korra did not get canceled. I mean, it was the last episode. Go figure, they saved that to the very last episode anyway, but they didn't get completely slacked up a lot. It became one of those things that became a discussion, but a lot of people kind of dropped it because it was the last episode anyway.
Speaker 1:I mean, it wasn't even worth being canceled, for it was more like a swerve.
Speaker 2:But the thing about it is, had that happened somewhere in the middle of the series, people would have tried to cancel it. You know that as well as I do. Oh well, they saved themselves by saving it to the end. It's the only thing they did. Smart on it.
Speaker 1:Um, like they wanted a new season, or they were like yeah, no, this is it.
Speaker 2:They absolutely did want to continue it on. That's the reason why we had the books into it. So keep in mind, onto this also, korra suffers in multiple cases. One, because most fans like the series kind of suffers as far as the fact that the fans kind of went straight from Avatar straight to here. The other thing that Korra wants to suffering from is again something that did get mentioned in the the show but is more highlighted in the books, inside the comics, as far as what was happening.
Speaker 1:Cora got the short answer. Man, you got a lot of people listening to this. I'm still like well dang. I didn't even know they had a comic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but still. But the thing about it is also that they highlight I'm going to tell you this something you probably didn't know because you didn't read read the comic is the fact they heavily highlighted korra is supposed to be the last avatar of this cycle with rava, and that is actually a canonical thing. So what winds up happening is is that a lot of people was talked about the fact oh, korra is weaker than aang, korra is weaker than aang. For this and this and technicality, korra is stronger. So by the time we saw Aang, if we're comparing for the series, korra is older. She is much more muscular, so she literally has more physical strength. Not only that, she was significantly more proficient when it came down for her bending style.
Speaker 2:Aang was he still was kind of shaky in some of his waterbending. The best waterbending that he did was in his avatar state. Otherwise, he was kind of like he wasn't able to be quick on his feet with it like he was, of course, with airbending. Cora was quick on her feet with waterbending. It was her first bending well, not necessarily her first. She automatically knew three elements, like it was nothing. But um, by the way, still, it's the fact that we wound up getting that point of like she, she is born so as a waterbender. Yo, what's up, glad to have you, um, what's up, what's up. But yeah, so it's one of those things like she, uh, is proficient in waterbending, she's proficient in firebending, something ang also wasn't good at, and ang was still learning earthbending all the way until the final fight.
Speaker 2:He never really finished his training with Toph, so technically again. So those comics after Avatar, last Airbender, aang doesn't get well, one quick second. Aang doesn't get proficient in earthbending until after Fire, lord Ozai is defeated. That's when you actually can see canonically that he actually finally mastered earthbending. So he still never did that. But Korra had already mastered earthbending too.
Speaker 2:And then we're adding on she knows subbending as well too. She can metalbend. Aang never learned that. He did try. Toph did try to teach Aang to metal bend, but Aang could not pick it up before he died, but Korra could. So, literally in every single comparison, right, korra was significantly stronger and the technicality would have been a much better avatar. The issue that came to Korra is because of their mentality. Because of Aang's mentality, he was able to think of multiple options straight through, versus Korra because her more. Her mentality is so straightforward. She can't look at other options, so she's not good at planning things out, and that's what caused her to kind of fail as being an avatar, because she was not able to be as adaptive as Aang was able to. What were you trying to say? My bad?
Speaker 1:Okay, first of all, I wanted to say how, while, yeah, ang was trying to train Toph but he didn't fully master it, I would say I like how, when Korra meets Toph, how it felt like first of all, I love how Toph was still the same person even after all those years. Second of all, uh, I like how uh korra's training with tall felt like uh, luke skywalker being trained by yoda. It had that kind of vibe going on. So I'm like, yeah, okay, y'all got some sauce going on, okay. And third of all, uh, the comparison between ang and korra.
Speaker 1:Okay, I see where you're going with that as far as power scaling, but I like how, with Aang, the difference between these two is that Aang was an air nomad that didn't want to be the Avatar. Like I said in the beginning, this was a world where the Avatar was needed, but Aang didn't even want this one. So, yeah, he had to get prepared for a war that he didn't even want to get involved in. And, yeah, he may not have been okay, he was pretty impressive in his run but, yeah, like it wasn't like he was actually like geared up to fight. But then with Korra, yeah, like it wasn't like he was actually like geared up to fight.
Speaker 1:But then with Korra, yeah, she got the attitude to where. Yeah, she loved being an avatar, like she wanted to um, fight and shit Like um. The first thing she learned was like firebending, so like I could see her being like the raw talent, but at the same time, it's's like her mentality is also her poison yes, so yeah, and that's what I mean as far as the fact, because she's so straightforward it's like one of those like season three, like she has literal poison in her so that part.
Speaker 2:But, um, season three, but not season, good lord. Going back mentality, but the mentality, because she's so straightforward, it's like one of those things. Like you know, I'm going to make a fantasy dnd reference of barbarian, one of the biggest, or a tank if you want to go for just major fighting situation. Tanks are good at just going straight into the battle and handling stuff, whereas you need someone who can plan and think things out. Cora is not a tactician. If you pay attention, throughout every single one of her fights, every single time she lost a fight, keep in mind, she has been stronger. Throughout every single one of her fights, every single time she lost a fight, keep in mind, she has been stronger than every single one of her villains. Every single one, she outclassed them heavily.
Speaker 1:They're going to remind me of Marguerite.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the thing about it is is the fact that because she lacks that planning, she's not tactical, she can't think of her fighting style through. It doesn't work and that's why she always gets overshadowed. Start off at the beginning with amon, she could outclass amon in every single hand-to-hand fight, but amon never used a bending to fight her because he used his tactical. Still, he knew how to be able to counter an attack. He was physically trained to be able to fight. And keep in mind he didn't get that. Remember, we understand the story. He didn't get that training from just anywhere. He got some of it from his dad, but his dad was not the best fighter. His dad was a great bender but was not the best fighter.
Speaker 2:But the thing is, amon was fantastic in his tactics and how he fought. He was able to go toe-to-toe to cancel out bending before I mean even before actually canceling the bending, of course but he was able to avoid attacks and stuff. He was well trained and he thought his attacks through. He paid attention to what was happening, he paid attention to how those attacks were coming along, then going into into and I can't remember His name for the life of me the water dude who Unalaq? Yeah, okay, honestly, as soon as they introduced him, his name was gonna lock. I'm like his name sounds like a villain's name. Is that not obvious? Like yeah like.
Speaker 2:Right, like he's supposed to be some demonic person. Like just, I feel like he was cursed from that from birth. Like just, yeah, you're gonna be a villain, we just see it in your future, we're just gonna let it go. But um, but the thing about it is is that even for him, as far as into his bending, his bending was nowhere on the scale of korra. When korra finally was able to awaken her giant avatar, where she was able to like go into, you know, master ultra in strength, giant avatar, yeah, pretty much. But um, but the thing about it is, even at that point she's still outclassed in bending wise, but because she was not tactical, she can think her attacks through.
Speaker 2:When you look at and that's one of the best things I love is, with it being the same team that did avatar, last air bender, did legend of korra, the fighting style and how they fight is so important and you understand that literally, they have diagnosed korra's fighting style and they they fight is so important and you understand that literally, they have diagnosed Korra's fighting style and they said that it is literally a messy mixed martial arts and I love that someone was able to put that so specific into detail. We just reviewed Samurai Champloo and we talked about how much we love the characters on Stair, how one is absolutely trained to be so specific in how his attacks go and the other one, even though he's wild, he has great reactions to stuff. He can react well. He can still think about how to attack based upon how an opponent attacks. He's really good at his counters.
Speaker 2:Korra sucks at counter attacks and at initial attacks. We saw that at the very beginning during the whole sequence when she, bolin and Mako was like trying to do when they were battling as a team together. She sucked. She was absolutely terrible. She had no martial arts training. She relied so heavily on her bending.
Speaker 1:She had none whatsoever in martial arts training but, as you know, her training with tenzin with his kids. I'm like, bro, like kind of sucks at it when you think about it, like, yeah, yes, you can. You can use water bending, earth bending and fire bending, but you were struggling with air bending. Um, and, funny enough, you're such a hothead. No wonder why you're not going to get airbending right away.
Speaker 2:Exactly and, like you said, tenzin completely called her out on it because it's the absolute truth. It's like you don't think stuff through. And then when we learned about airbending airbending is great with counters, it's about feeling the opponent, feeling how the attack goes. Korra doesn't care about that. It's hit, hit, hit, hit. I knock you down. But it's failed her every single time and it was like a big issue for her.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, that's one of those things where Aang gets much better at, and why it is that if they ever had a head to head attack, aang when they actually did, I think, death Battle actually did it as well too. Ain't what technically win that fight because, even without having to go into the avatar state, because ain't has Martial experience, he's very good at his attacks. We've seen it time and time again. He was even able to beat a firebender without bending once Exactly. And remember, ain't Aang didn't touch him or anything, he just avoided and dodged the attack and the dude hit himself. That's how well Aang is trained in his martial art, that's how well he knows how to do something, and Korra has none of that. So that's where, literally, it comes to the point of like dang, korra is weak. No, technically, korra, physically and bending wise, is significantly stronger than Aang, but because she lacks technique, that's where she fails at and that's why she comes off so much weaker.
Speaker 2:And the thing about this is that the writers put that so heavily into it. But it's also one of those ones that was marked in the comics that they specifically talked about as well. Um, she was called out on it on her in the comics that they specifically talked about as well. Um, she was called out on it on her in the comics, not as much in the show like it should have been, but in the comics. They heavily called her out onto it. Then, like you rely so heavily on your bending, you have no idea how to fight. Like you're, you're the worst street fighter that there is, and so it's like yeah, that's. And that's where a lot of her issues and stuff starts to come into. Also, keep in mind as well one thing as well Korra never learned to be a martial artist before she died. She actually died at a young age. She died saving people. In case you didn't know, they do wind up mentioning it just briefly because, as they're getting prepared for the next Avatar series, she winds up dying in a collapsing building.
Speaker 1:You're feeling on, how you feel about. Before I get Remind me of something. Hold on, so in legend of korra, korra was supposed to be the last avatar when she, like severed her ties with uh brava and all that, okay, okay. So if that was the case, where are they going with this? Uh, like, introducing new avatars like I get so I have no, so a um movie, I get that, but new avatars after korra.
Speaker 2:How is that gonna work? So that's the thing. So keep in mind this goes all the way back to the very first avatar. So one of the things is, when he first meets rava and um, I forgot the dark and dvd, but honestly he did they just look like giant living talismans, to be honest with you. So it's very funny to me um, but rava and batsu. I was going to say light and dark talismans but um, rava and batsu when they were fighting against each other. One of the things that rava specifically mentioned is that every 10 000 years they are always constantly squabbling and every 10 000 years he breaks away, chaos ensues and she has to recapture him again and then peace comes as she's battling him. So every 10,000 years, batuu breaks free. Guess what happened? At 10,000 years, batuu reawakens again after he had been sealed away. It is part of the lore 10 000 years was that happens literally. Korra was just unfortunate enough to be the avatar at that 10 000 year cycle after the first avatar that we know of hold on, okay.
Speaker 1:So are you implying that this is gonna be one of those things where it's gonna happen regardless every year? Yes, so you, it's going to happen regardless every 10,000 years. So you're saying there's going to be a 10,000 year time jump.
Speaker 2:Possibly, but we pretty much had a 10,000 year time. We had a 9,050 year time jump Because I think Aang died at the age of 50, something by the time we, because Aang died before the age of 60, unfortunately. But um, literally in the aspect, when you add in those ages, at the time when unalak wound up bonding with batu, that was at the exact 10 000 year mark when the very first avatar, um, wound up freeing batu from rava. It was exactly from that moment, 10,000 years, to the day was when that happened. There was nothing. So everyone's like blamed Korra. It's like you could have did something. You could have did something. No, by literal, magical life of law, standards and stuff, there was nothing.
Speaker 1:Korra could have done At all.
Speaker 2:You wouldn't know anything about that so the thing about it is that she just was stuck and she got stuck with the blame of it, even though there was nothing she could do about it okay, okay, I hear you that, but, uh, what are your thoughts on everything you?
Speaker 3:mean to tell me? You mean to tell me, wait a minute, wait a minute. You mean to tell me that the whole, like ripping of the avatars and all of that, was meant to happen yes and there was nothing she could do about it bro so she got.
Speaker 1:I'm fixing to go ahead and tell you I've been hating this bitch for way too long, so you did not feel an attack on Titan now.
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm fixing to go ahead and tell you I've been hating this bitch for way too long. I came in this with so much anger in my heart.
Speaker 1:It's all about love, but let me say that I'm the biggest hater Bro.
Speaker 3:Legend of Korra. I am the biggest hater. I was like she did the stupidest thing in the, how you erased all of my avatars and then leave me with you. With you, that's all I got. No more A. Never again, no more Kiyoshi, just nobody else but you.
Speaker 2:I don't know that Kiyoshi sacrifice might have been necessary, though Kiyoshi was like have been necessary, though kiyoshi was like a horrible I know she was absolutely terrible, but let me tell you, karen got on my shirt like I could not.
Speaker 3:It was like car and ang was like what happens when a prodigy like she was definitely a prodigy, right, like she just came out the womb kicking ass. And then Aang was like I'm going to work so hard and I have to work hard, even though everyone's making me work hard and I don't want to.
Speaker 1:And I'm just like no, no listen, it's like that one Spongebob episode where King Trey was making all those Krabby Patties and Spongebob with that one bird Bro.
Speaker 2:Quality over quantity.
Speaker 3:And she just, and she was so I just felt like she was so lazy with and I understood, like, where they were going. Right, like I got it, I got the context of it, but she just got on my nerves. She was, so, it felt, entitled, right, like Cora had this entitlement of, like I'm the avatar, I know what I'm doing, I'm the best there is. Like girl you always in your butt, whooped and handed it to you. I can't stand you.
Speaker 1:I'm very strong with you and bro, I don't, I can't say I care for Marco too much. But even then I'm like season 2 Cor pissed me off man, like the way how you treat that man like that not only that treat that man like that and then go and steal his ex girlfriend.
Speaker 3:can we talk about it like treat that man like that and then go and steal his ex-girlfriend Can we talk about it?
Speaker 1:Like she knew exactly how to hurt me. That's so funny.
Speaker 3:She knew how to hurt my ever-loving nerd and watching her be in a relationship was the worst thing I ever had to see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying. Like, that love triangle was so unnecessary. Like, see, that's what I'm saying, that love triangle was so unnecessary. See, it was cute if it was saying, okay, kind of like with Aang and Katara, they got a, will they, won't they? Kind of thing going on, okay, cool, that's kind of cute. If they kept it to Korra and Maka, will they or won't they? Or Maka and Asami will they or won't they? Or Mako and Asami will there, won't they? That would be fine. But picking them up like that, oh hell, no, uh-uh uh-uh, uh-uh.
Speaker 3:Well, it was supposed to just be character development what? Oh, oh, and then Bo Wynn feeling like a fourth wheel somehow. Oh, oh, oh, oh, my God.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, he dated girls, but still though.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, listen. And it didn't even. It didn't even feel like a real relationship. At the end it was just like ooh, we together boo Like no, no, no, no, that is not how that. And they walk off into the sunset Of what?
Speaker 1:What was that? I don't know, guys. I know you already made it, but it's still funny though.
Speaker 2:It's true. It's true. Hold on, because me and Jane, you wanted to talk about it after and stuff. The first thing that I said, given my point of view, is the fact that a lot of people who went straight into Legend of Korra right after watching Tar Last Airbender and never read the comics, never read what happened to Aang and the gang afterwards, never read about prequel that came before Korra was born. How does that Aang die and it leading to Korra being born Then the after in the comics that happens afterwards as well too, because yes, they literally like date in the um comics, like asami and korra actually date for a little while.
Speaker 2:Actually not for a little, they date for a long while. Um, they were, I think they were. Yeah, they were together. I think they actually did get married, I have to remember, but I think they did actually get married too, but um, like until no, they were together all the way until Cora died. So it's like it's. It gives more flesh to the story, kind of gives more of a good feel to it. Um, otherwise it does just feel kind of jumbled up of like what in the world am I watching sometimes?
Speaker 2:once you kind of get a more understanding of the background. It's like okay, got you. That was where I mentioned that. Where the series suffers in the fact that it has to be, it has to be balanced out by the comic, and we see this happen in anime a lot too, because a lot of anime where all of a sudden you just jump straight into and you don't. The backstory is like I'll just throw out a random example okay, yeah, even that dead man wonderland, well, you know, like, because in fact they redo stuff, or even one thing.
Speaker 2:I um soul eater, like I actually finished the soul eater anime was very confused. I never finished reading the manga and apparently I found out that the ending they just changed it up at the last minute and that's why the ending is so subpar, because that's not what the ending was supposed to be. They just randomly changed that shit for no random reason. It's the same for, like blue exorcist. The end of the first season at the second season of blue exorcist is completely different. The manga and so it like ends very weird. And then when we get the next season, it starts off where the manga was supposed to be at, halfway through the season, and you're like wait what there's like time, just come back. I'll don't explain it, it's just. It's one of those ones you have to read to understand, and that's where it's you gotta read yeah, but it's like if we wound up reading.
Speaker 2:If you have to read something to understand what you just watched, you failed. That's what it feels like for me when it comes down to like right, to like writing and stuff. Like if I'm watching a show, the show itself should make sense to me, it should encourage me to want to read it. But to say that I have to read to understand you wrote this to me, then you need to tell me that, like you need to say this is a continuation of this book, or the story continues. But if it's to the point that I can't understand anything that I just Because I haven't read the source material, that means you failed All of the source material and you didn't what you're saying. So I still like Legend of Korra.
Speaker 1:I have a Korra set right now, so I have the special edition disc set that comes with the book and the posters and stuff like that, so I have background information for the show you know what, even though season 2 is very vital to how the rest of the series is going to go, I kind of feel like if they did it to where Black Butler, where Season 2 never happened, I think Buzzing Corp would make it better, or at least it would do them better.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I could agree with you on that one, definitely. Also. Another thing specifically mentioning as well is the fact, like season two is so vital, but, like I said, it sucks in the fact that you have to read to understand that. Um. One thing, though, that I've actually uh, I've actually heard a couple people um reading for you know, I still go on those sites just every now and again. See the nonsense that people say some people, people make sense. You'd be surprised. It happens once every 50, but still it happens. Some people actually want to know.
Speaker 2:Avatar messed up, the Avatar series messed up, and they produced kills from the darkness of the bending and stuff, and what I mean by that is. So everybody just followed a generic rule and even though, yeah, you can have somebody, that you have someone that's like, oh, this person is not like everyone else, they are willing to go further. Like we had the bloodbending witch, we continued on bloodbending all the way to Legend of Korra. We have Zaheer, who's able to just bend the air. You know, we continued all bloodbending all the way to legend of Korra. Um, we have Zaheer, who's able to just bend the air out of the queen, the earth queen's body and suffocate her with it and stuff.
Speaker 2:And some people say that they feel like Avatar failed in that aspect because once they introduced into that, why is it that everybody just follows this random code? There's no explanation to why everyone just continues to follow. Why is it that everybody just follows this random code? There's no explanation to why everyone just continues to follow. So, even though we have shown so many different characters that obviously would abuse this and would never do so, how come we don't dive into that so much? And that is also something and I'm gonna let you get. I'm gonna get right back to you.
Speaker 2:But that is also something again that if you read the comics, you'd understand that they did dive into that. There were people was a being, all they used their bending to actually people. Earthbenders would trap people underground and actually crushed them or crushed their legs to the point that they can't be like that, and that actually happened in never. So when we saw Zaheer do it, we're like, oh my God, I knew this could be a cool type of thing. How come you've done it before and it's like there's so much more development. Again, you need to explore my bad. What were you trying to say?
Speaker 1:okay, first of all, what I was going to mention is how I like how, with the history behind Amon, where you're thinking like, okay, here's a guy that can take away, ben thinking he had this philosophy and all that, and it sounds good. And that's the funny thing about this Legend of Chorus, where between Amon, zaheer and Kuvira, they all had this philosophy or this motivation to where. I'm like I kinda see where you're coming from for this motivation, to where I'm like hmm, I kind of see where you're coming from, but I don't agree with your
Speaker 1:actions. I do see where you're coming from, though, uh, but let's stick to Amon for now. With Amon, I like how the fixed word was he's a waterbender. And then I was like okay, he's a waterbender, so how is he able to weigh a waterbender?
Speaker 2:and then I was like okay, he's a waterbender, so how is he able to, when a bloodbender they can like shut down, like okay, I can see why, because I like apparently Amon was one of those people where went so deep into his bending, where he can like find a way to negate bending something that I think you had mentioned the previous um at that you mentioned, I think you mentioned uh avatar last year in a review that we did uh is the fact that avatars are jack of all trades, whereas, like everyone else, is supposed to be kind of like a master, it's supposed to be like your master of one, yeah, an avatar in general is a uh.
Speaker 2:Your value as a specialist but avatars can be special, specialized, every single thing. They can still adopt each one to try to find out more and more into it. Like how we understand that yeah, cool was a lava bender but kora could not lava bend. She never dived as much into it. But in technicality the avatar is supposed to have master of all bendings, which means that Korra should be able to lava bend but she would have to spend time to understand them to that Roku did lava bend. So we knew of lava bending before Legend of Korra because we actually watched it happen in a flashback in Avatar Last Airbender.
Speaker 1:Can I just say that I still love how Toph my girl Toph was like. Oh well, apparently I invented metal bending.
Speaker 2:That part. Look, let's just talk about this, talk about this. So with Toph. So who's the baby daddy? Like on Surrealness, this is real shit, like, so it's off. So so who's the baby daddy Like on some real, on some realness, on some realness On the younger daughter I need to know.
Speaker 2:I've been trying to find out for the longest, so we apparently know who the oldest daughter's dad is, but the youngest daughter we know is a different daddy and, like I promise you, everyone keeps saying Sokka and it's like Nah, but could it be? Though this is impossible, this is the way it could be, sokka, but like I, don't know, I just don't see it.
Speaker 1:Look at you.
Speaker 2:It's the forever mystery that no one ever knows Like. So let's be honest here. Toph, you got some of that soccer, didn't you? It was the laughing. It's because he made you laugh, wasn't it? He made you laugh. It's always the funny niggas, ain't it? It's always the funny niggas saying that. It's always the funny niggas saying that, but I just had to bring that up. One of the things I also like about Toph's development in Legend of Korra series is the fact that how she progresses, she becomes that woman, that old woman. That's just like I need my personal space. And she goes and gets her personal space. Nobody knows where the fuck she's at. Even her daughters don't know, and the bad part about it is it's hilarious that she calls them out on it. She says literally I have taught my daughters everything. Get out of my personal space.
Speaker 1:Two, get out of that personal space.
Speaker 2:Three, three Get out of that personal space Three, my personal space.
Speaker 2:But the thing about it is she calls him out onto the fact that she's taught them exactly everything. And it's one of those ones where they were like she's like I'm always watching them, and she caught her in a crazy state that, like sister, she's good enough to the point that she can use, like her psych, I guess, her psyche I can't remember exactly what it's called but is that that type of earth that uses like echolocation per se to locate everything? And so even her own daughter, she can do it, but she can only do it so far, she only has a certain amount of range into it. And so even her own daughter, she can do it, but she can only do it so far, she only has a certain amount of range into it. And so even toff it calls her, calls him out onto the fact, just like, yeah, my daughter's never really picked up stuff that well. And they're like, what are you talking about? Like one, she's an absolute proficient metal bending, and toff is like you call that metal bending. No, and again I keep saying this, if you read, like when toff first said the school, there's a very big thing to metal bending, that when you understand reading those comics, actually understand why toff said that no, her daughters did not metal bend well, and the reason being is because they still, they still have have to focus on the metal. They can't metal bend as well as earth bend.
Speaker 2:Even the younger sister, who is only metal bending, that's the only thing she focuses on and stuff, and she doesn't just make it as a breath thing. The way she breathes is a metal bending type thing. She still heavily focuses on it, so much as like the earth materials into it but it doesn't get part of, doesn't feel into it, and that's something that gets more in the common. No matter what tosses, there's a person that she's taught, that has picked up metal bending as good as she has.
Speaker 2:The only person that's actually come close is cool veraa Kulvera was so and you can actually see it in her metal ability. You can see how fluidly she takes down when she fights her. It was like Korra never had a chance whatsoever, like you mentioned, skip, that she loses every single fight. But then, like also, korra doesn't have any of that actual like actual martial arts training and stuff that wasn't even a martial arts training. Kovira did not fight as a martial artist, she fought her as a bender Proved straight into it that metal bending to her literally is just a breath of air. She started throwing.
Speaker 2:She threw gangsta hands like it was nothing and Bro, let's be honest, if she didn't cuff core, she could have sliced her to Swiss cheese with them like metal blades, bro, on some real shit, just like cha-cha-cha-cha-cha-cha-cha-cha and it's done. And that was like she was just doing some Wing Chun style start, like fist for fury type shit. It was beautiful. I was like holy shit, I can see what Mako sees in her now. I can see what Bolin sees in her now. She did that pretty badass. I don't know, I can't say too much, but it was just that point of like.
Speaker 2:She outbended Korra and that's what made Korra feel even worse. Korra already knew she was losing when it came down to fighting, but she got completely outclassed, bending Completely. This woman never had to earthbend you, she only metalbend to whoop your ass, and that's the bad part about it. You're not even good enough for my main. I'm going to use my subclass to beat you. That's even worse. That's just so much worse. And so it's like that's the only person that's really adapted metal bending as close to the way that toff has been able to do so, because keep in mind onto this, the way you see toff's development in her in this, when she's in the swamp, toph bends without moving her body. Keep in mind that was a big thing to talk about in Avatar. And Avatar is the fact that, like in the original Avatar, they talked about the fact that it's a flow of chi. It's a flow of how they do their martial arts, how, how everyone is fighting and stuff. You see their specific fighting styles. Iroh talked about the fact that he's able to remeld his firebending by adapting waterbending fighting techniques. By adapting how waterbenders bend, he's able to re-bend fire in a more fluid like motion because he's adapted into that. But it's one of those ones that Toph has mastered it so much to the point. Remember she stood there hunched over with her arms behind her back and just started sliding and skating through the swamp and never once moved her body. When she was beating Korra, she dodged and knocked Korra to the ground and never moved a single part of her body whatsoever. That's how much earthbending has become a breath of motion for her. She even had some moments maybe she might move a finger, but for the most part she just rolls with it, she slides with it, earth moves with her as she moves, because that's just a normal thing for her and that's that is the absolute, true demonstration of mastery, of any type of bending that I've ever seen, to the point of I no longer have to move, just me breathing, whatever. I think it happens and you get to see that with toff in legend of korra, and it's one of those ones that you're like dang, she became an old woman but, god damn, she became badass Like damn. Um.
Speaker 2:Toph is obviously my favorite character of the Avatar series. I'm sorry, I told y'all I pay attention to a lot of this stuff. I love the series, um, but it's just one of those ones. That's like it's. I love seeing her development into it and how much. But it's hilarious how she completely calls out, calls out her daughters. She said if they really put their mind to it, they could do what she does, they could see all around the world. This is where toff literally says that here in my swamp. She says, even though I'm by myself, I see all of you, I see every single thing that you do from right here. I can see the entire world from where I'm at. We're literally like she knew what happened to cora, because she already saw it happen. She saw everything like real life tv.
Speaker 3:She's like I already know why you're here so you mean to tell me that girl was looking at everything live like the whole time?
Speaker 2:yeah, and she said that she literally when cora tried to explain to what happened in the show, when core tried to explain to what happened to her, too tough toss said I already know what happened to you, I watched it happen like she legitimately told her that she said I already know what happened to you. I watched it happen, like she legitimately told her that she's like I already know what happened. I watched it happen to you and it's like damn, I think I'm in love, like I think.
Speaker 3:I mean I know she's a granny, but granny could get it. Oh my god, I wouldn't try and go. All a granny, but granny could get it.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I wouldn't try and go all that now, but I understand.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, jb, jb. Why am I thinking of that? I kissed a girl video. Because she's showing up kissing a girl mom, Shut up. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. I kissed the girl and I liked it.
Speaker 3:If it was tough?
Speaker 2:if it was tough, I mean but no, it was like but that's that's like to me, that's that demonstrates true mastery. That's one of those ones that I wouldn't have to be a jack of all trades if I had the dedication that Toph had. Cause Toph, that that member, she was blind, she, there was nothing to distract her. The only way she could do anything was through bending. Bending had to be her way to see, and she progressed it to the point that she saw everything that happened. He saw everything that happened, and so she was literally talking.
Speaker 2:She says I know exactly what my daughters are doing right now. She's like, even as I'm talking to you, I'm watching them right now, and she's called them out and the fact is like they should be able to see me too. I'm not even that far away, I'm not even on the other side of the planet. They should be able to find me. They should be able to find me, they should be able to see me, but they can't. Because that's just, my daughters just never picked it up like that. And I was like damn, I mean, you're not wrong, but damn.
Speaker 3:Her parental vision is crazy, like that you was never getting away with nothing, like absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1:Nah, like she reminds me. Now. This reminds me of watching Pootie Tank, where it's like, even when Pootie Tank's dad's not around, like when he tried to steal that apple and that felt.
Speaker 2:You know All of a sudden it transcended dimensions and then he still got to your ass over there, oh gosh. But no, for reals, though, like Toph is like that parent. She's literally that parent. That's like eyes in the back of my head. No, the earth is my eyes. I see everything, but it's like damn. But no, it's also one of those ones that's like.
Speaker 2:It gave me much appreciation because we got a chance to see how strong and powerful these other characters are, but that also was being one of the biggest failing points for Korra herself, because the thing is is that when we go into Avatar, last Airbender, the only people who have been so dedicated that they're like absolute, have absolute mastery of their bending. In the original show is iroh ozai and like um boomy, king boomy, and that's it like. If you really click at it, those are the only three people that have absolute mastery like that, but in Legend of Korra we see several people have this. You know, tenzin has absolute mastery of his airbending. Zaheer Zaheer he read books and studied, but in only a short period of time I think it was like three months that he had airbending.
Speaker 2:He had complete mastery of it and still went to learn airbending techniques to get more refined into it at the air temple with Om Tenzin.
Speaker 1:Hey, hold on. Would you say that Tora Tenzin's daughter is more close to mastering airbending than Tora?
Speaker 2:Yes, actually, she absolutely was. Remember, she got technically the mark of mastery. That was the thing that was like a whole little segment for her was the fact that she had her head shaved and she had her arrows painted on her head. Because, remember, that's the thing when you have the arrows painted on your head, that means you have been dedicated to say that you're a master of your bending. And that also means that, yes, aang was an absolute airbending master. Keep that in mind. So, yeah, she had a whole thing. She was Tenzin's eldest daughter, absolutely was a master of airbending. Not only that, she could spirit bend as well too, remember. But yeah, she's able to spirit bend.
Speaker 1:I know the middle daughter was doing something like she was like important to the plot at some point, but I forgot what she was doing. I thought she was the one that, like the other one, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I need to look into that it was the eldest, if I'm seeing correct me if I'm wrong. Cause, like right now, I'm going to a whole rant. My brain's trying to get off the top at the moment, cause now I'm sitting here thinking of Mira Jane kissing Toph at the moment, like y'all doing the most.
Speaker 1:Is it Brent Mira? Jane, are you giving her tongue? Maybe, You're giving it to me.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying oh my gosh, but no, but no, yeah, absolutely. I'm just saying I live, I live, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:But no, but no, yes, absolutely. She was the absolute master Well before Cora. Cora never mastered airbending in the entire show she never mastered it at all. It was still her weakest bending at the very end of the show. Even then, she never properly mastered firebending. Like she can get firebending, she could, um, she could even do lightning as well too, but the thing about it is she never demonstrated absolute mastery of it.
Speaker 2:Because, remember, um, with the original show, we understand that firebending. They separate it into two points. The original point of it, as far as what they believed as the sun breathers, was ones who made fire breathing as actually your breath, and Iroh mastered that. And so Iroh understands. You don't firebend out of emotion. You firebend because firebending is your breath. Your breath is fire. That's who you are. You are a living dragon per se type of thing.
Speaker 2:And Korra never got to that point whatsoever. To her, every single time you see her firebend, it is out of an emotional point. Every firebending that she does is a punch and kick. There's not a controlling of it. There's no flowing of it whatsoever. She never gets to that point. Same for her waterbending. Her waterbending is very stoic. When you watch her waterbend, she waterender like how a firebender would Like. She only just hits with the water, that's about it. She never shows absolute control of the flow of water. She never fights with the flow of water. The closest that she got to that was with Boonalong, and that's when we kind of got to that point where she had to get a more understanding. She had to actually calm down, but then also keep in mind when she did that, she was in the Avatar state.
Speaker 2:So as far as outside of that Avatar state which some people could still consider Avatar state as a cheat code per se Because you're allowing your body to naturally feel all of the battle experience that all of the other previous Avatar had, the battle experience that all of the other previous Avatar had. So that's where it's like why this Avatar States is like such a major mastery, control of different things. Because it's like your body now has the experience that every single other Avatar has ever had in all of their fights, and all you need is Kyoko and by that point you have mastered everything, because she has been in every single fight, she has killed people or something, so she knows how to fight good stuff, but you still have all of those other experiences. That's why it becomes technically a cheat code per se versus your own fighting experience to be able to train your own body and how to do stuff. So whenever Korra is not in the Avatar avatar state, she has no flow of water, her earth bending. She gets overshadowed every single time that she uses earth bending. Every earth bender that she's gone up against has beat her, literally every single one. Now she has beaten firebenders, but she has never beaten an earthbender Literally, and so it's one of those ones like Korra, never. She never mastered any element at all.
Speaker 2:And so, considering the fact that we have a show, that we have these, you could name a list of people in this show who are masters. Zuko is still alive. He is a master firebender. Toph is alive. He is a master earthbender. Unalaq, technically, was a master waterbender. Don't forget that. Katara is still alive Master waterbender. We have a list in technicality, toph's daughters still are master earthbenders as well too, as well as Kulvera, master earthbender Mako.
Speaker 2:At this, mako definitely became a he kind of like. Towards we got to the end of like the third or fourth season, he became more of a master of his firebending. He became much more controlled into it. He started losing fights less, he started doing much better and became much more controlled into it. He started losing fights less, he started doing much better. And even bolin bolin quickly mastered lava bending, so he was already mastering earth bending as well too.
Speaker 2:We can list all these other characters who became masters of their bending style, and cora never mastered one like at all. She was literally overshadowed every single time. And it's going back to what you had said before as well, jb. The scariest thing is understanding that. Imagine having a power and not being needed. Like you said, ang was needed, he wasn't there. Korra is there, but she's not needed. That's one of the scariest things into it, because had the roles reversed, yeah, korra would have absolutely excelled during Aang's time Because she wanted to be the Avatar and she would have been able to dominate control like as needed, like what the Avatar needed to do.
Speaker 1:I can imagine Korra being the type to wear a fuckweight and copy all the drops Like I would roll up onto the fire door right now.
Speaker 2:Pretty much you would have. She would have rolled up as a child and probably clapped his ass, but anyway, but it's real shit though it's like. And then Aang would have benefited more in Korra's time because he's more passive. He absolutely would have been more of a relax. He would have been like hey, I am the avatar, I'm here if you need me, but you guys seem to handle stuff yourself. I'm just supposed to make sure everything is going the way it needs to go for the best of people, and that's about it. I'm just leaving it at that type of thing. But, um, that, that is absolutely not there for um aura. She is at point that she's ready to step up to the mantle, but she's not needed. And because she she wasn't needed, she kept being put on the back end all the time. She never got the training, she never got a full. Now, I'm not going to say never got training, she did get the training. She just bullshitted all of her teachers. So that's really her own fault.
Speaker 2:But the thing is she never got the proper training. She never got to the point of showing of her actually being needed and then, by the time she was needed, when shit hit the fan, when it was actually like there, she failed every time and it was like, damn, what can I do? Like every single time I'm not able to step into the play. So when it got to that point where she got paralyzed she, that was Korra's lowest moment in the entire show and the worst part about it is the fact when we got to that point, it was only supposed to go up for her from there. This is her lowest point.
Speaker 2:She's the Avatar, but is not needed. Not only is she not needed, even if she was needed, she couldn't do anything and everybody else had to be there for her. Not only is she not needed, even if she was needed, she couldn't do anything and everybody else had to be there for her, and it was something that ate away at her heavily. It was still really great. Writing. That time period that she was paralyzed was excellent writing. We got a chance to really dive into that, but after that point, it failed.
Speaker 1:I also liked how like listen like season season one, maybe season two, cora to where I felt like, yeah, this girl gonna need some. And by the time season three happened, to where zaheer even though um cora beats zaheer and all that, that's all over with the poison, everything. It's like, even if she's completely healed by season four, like she's still traumatized, like she'll never recover from that.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, she never truly does. It still winds up staying with her. She has to mentally tell herself to kind of chill out, and that's what even Toph had told her. She's like literally the poison is not the worst part about it. The worst part about it is that you have PTSD because you got traumatized from it. This, she literally told her you should have been able to bend this out of your body already. She said this mercury should have never stayed in your body. This is very easy. This is very easy for a nerve bender to bend out.
Speaker 1:So you could say that her own hubris was the downfall. Well, I would say the factor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's really what wound up happening. And it's one of those ones that we never get a chance to see Korra really develop further than that. And that's one of those ones where I also say, like when you say, yeah, the ending doesn't feel deserved, it truly wasn't. But it's one of those ones that if you continue in the story with the comics, it does become more deserved of her. She finally does get that moment of growth. She finally gets that more maturity. We do get a chance to get that, but it's not in the show and that's where it winds up. That's where it winds up feeling like it fails. And that's why I heavily pointed out to that point of to the fact that, like I have to read to get a more understanding of what's going on, that's where it feels like the writing fails to me on, like it feels like you kind of just you lost me at that point, because now I now have a more understanding, I now have more way more respect for cora because I've read the comics. But if I never did, I probably feeling just probably be feeling just like, honestly feeling just like how Mira Jade feels. In fact, she's like I absolutely hate it, cor. She got on my nerves.
Speaker 2:It was one of those ones, like bro, she failed as an avatar. Like you know, they talk about the worst avatar was that one waterbender who literally did not do anything. He was lazy, his friends died because he blames himself and he even told ang yeah, I was the worst that there was. Like I'm honestly not no way to help you out. Congratulations, corey, you're right there with him, type of thing, but that's not why it's happening if you think you're the worst avatar, remember there's a guy that literally did nothing, yeah like legitimately did nothing and so, but yeah, it's one of those ones like this it really sucks.
Speaker 2:It really sucks because there was so much more development for Korra but it's just not present. It's not as much present in the show. We get a starting point of it so much. We get so many different starting points that we never get to see any of it finish. And it's one of those things and understanding that it actually does finish. It does finish, just not here, and that's it feels bad about.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm sorry there's so much to dive into. I have seen so many YouTube videos about this, so obviously I was very I've been prepared for this review for a while, but still, it's still one of those ones. It's like, you know, when you really kind of get an understanding, you really get that diving in, you really understand what the writers intended and understanding that even though they had that freedom, they still felt like they were limited and that's why they didn't get a chance to put all that into the show. And so it still was a feeling like damn, I still wish you would have, because I'm confused, like I'm actually confused on some stuff and I have to read to understand that, and it still sucks to have to do that, but otherwise, the only other thing that I kind of have for this because really I don't have too much else to add on I know I don't really have too much time to still be on right now anyway but it's one of those ones that each villain got a shorter period of time than Korra did, obviously, is her show and each of them felt more developed than she was. Right Like going back with Amon we have a full story of him.
Speaker 2:We have that understanding of why he is the way he is. Like you said, we can understand his reasoning. We don't agree with the way he's doing it, but we understand his reasoning by it. We know why he did it and it's one of those ones. It's like, hey, I can kind of feel into that. Even Unalaq Unalaq as well, you could put it as he was brainwashed by power control. He's felt that things should have been a certain way. But then you also understand that, oh, he has such a deep love for this woman. It was like a big thing and it's like, and it's one of those ones that shows that the water, the water tribe, never got.
Speaker 2:The northern water tribe never got over what happened in the first Avatar series, because we understand the first Avatar series that never really resolved itself. Korra wound up whooping that dude's ass. She whooped her uncle's ass and that was it. And then not Korra, sorry, katara. Katara whooped her uncle's ass and then, boom, that was it. But it's like they never technically learned. They were still feeling like they were in their ways. There was still that they felt it had to be a male dominant society versus everyone being equal type of thing. And so even when we got a chance to meet with Katara again in Legend of Korra, she still kind of feels that way. She's like, yeah, they never really kind of grew. And so we finally get a closing of that. That it felt like OK, now the Northern Water Tribe gets a actual closing of their storyline.
Speaker 2:We kind of get a maturing of that. We get a chance of understanding more about Unalaq, why he is the way he is. He's a product of his society and it's just. That's just the way it is. And you know you don't agree with it. You have to put a stop with it so that way things could grow. You know you don't agree with it. You have to put a stop with it so that way things could grow and finally things can grow, and so it's like we get a chance to really see how everything fully plays out. And so and with Zaheer, zaheer is one of those ones that you get also more of an understanding in the comics as well, because to understand Zaheer, you don't need to read the comics after Legend of Korra, you need to read the comics after Avatar, the Last Airbender. Because I'm gonna ask you guys, do y'all remember why it is that the White Lotus exists and how it led to the development? The Red Lotus.
Speaker 1:I remember the White Lotus, but I forgot it gets behind.
Speaker 2:Okay, mirajane, do you by chance? No, okay, so the White Lotus' job was to make sure that the Avatar could grow up. So keep in mind onto this, a kid is born an Avatar, right, but they're still a child, they could still be killed. There was people that would do this. They would go and they would track the avatar cycle. They would know who would be next. Like you know, it's literally fire air, water, earth, then back to fire air and they track it to either control the avatar, and if they couldn't control the avatar, they would kill them and then just keep killing them. So we've actually had previous avatars in the cycle before who've never grown up. They died as babies or they died as children. That is actually canonical into the story. So the white lotus was developed to put a stop to these people. The White Lotus is supposed to make sure that everybody has a transformation of information. It's to keep information amongst all the nations. All the nations were separate, but the White Lotus was able to be like oh, we can keep information together.
Speaker 3:And we were still able to learn everything together.
Speaker 1:The White Lotus was like this secret information highway, um, that ira was involved. That's why I remember the white lotus, because it was like it was the whole thing we had to teach up with the jasmine dragon. That's why I remember yep.
Speaker 2:And so the white lotus had those two things.
Speaker 2:They they were developed to keep information, but then they were also to make developed to make sure that they kept track of who the next avatar was supposed to be, keep that person hidden until they were strong enough to defend themselves.
Speaker 2:Then, when they became strong enough, then they could fulfill their role as the avatar of that decade, of that time period and stuff, um or century, because some avatars have lived longer but some have lived shorter. Most have lived shorter, sadly, but the thing about it is that was one of the purpose of the white lotus. The red lotus is a faction of the white lotus. The red lotus is a group of people in the white lotus who wanted to control the avatar, and so they were also having to a point that they didn't necessarily want to kill the avatar as a baby, but they wanted to capture them and hide them away and secretly train them so that way they could control the world government and how everything up with the secret organization that have these splinter cells kind of like, where they have all that, yeah, yeah and that's just the thing.
Speaker 2:Whenever you develop a secret police force, there's always going to be a secret society inside this deeper, because the thing is this whenever you, if you develop absolute power, you have to have a control. You know, no matter what the situation is. That's the reason. That's how democracy yeah, checks and balances like how democracy works like the fbi and the cia yep, or even just like.
Speaker 2:Based on democracy. We have the executive, legislative branch, judicial branch, in technicality, each of those branches supposed to check on each other. And that's the reason why, realistically, based on on legal wise and also based on the constitution, no, there, there should not be one ruling party amongst all three branches of government. That's actually never supposed to happen inside of our governmental system. And because of that it says if that ever does happen, we as people technically have the legal right to revoke and to impeach these people to make sure that there's a change. Because if you have all three controlled by one person, that's a monopoly. Everything's fully controlled. There is no check. There is is no balance. It's all just control. There's supposed to be a balance of certain things. It's never supposed to be one group ruling. Everything and that's what the red lotus was supposed to be is the fact that the red lotus was originally supposed to be a check for the white lotus, to make sure they never overstood their boundaries.
Speaker 2:But then your police force, like you had mentioned the ombu. I'm gonna make a naruto reference. Remember the police force in the leaf village was the uchiha clan. But guess what happened? The same thing happened with the red lotus. That happened with the uchiha clan. You were police force but you felt shorthanded. Your job is to keep everyone else in check, but because that's what your job is, nobody likes you. Because they're like oh you, you have power, you can make me stop what I'm doing.
Speaker 2:And I don't like you for that I doesn't feel like it was an equal playing field, even though there is, it doesn't feel like there is the person, because it's like you're standing in my way. So then what winds up happening is is that your police force decides to be a dictatorial ship and then take over.
Speaker 1:So the white lotus? Huh, that's what I was just saying. Essentially, is it protection or oppression.
Speaker 2:Exactly Perfect. I love that you said that. So yeah, and that's what winds up happening with the red lotus, and so that's what winds up happening with the red lotus, and so that's what the red lotus is is the fact there were a group of people who wanted to control the avatar because they've had a way, had a belief that this is the way the world should go, and you could even compare it to assassin's creed, with the templars versus the assassins, where you have free will versus control. The White Lotus believed that everyone should still have the free will to do what they want to do, but the Templars.
Speaker 2:But the Red Lotus saw that giving everyone all this free will meant that people was going to fuck up more. People was inclined to make more mistakes, they were inclined to do something worse every single time, because you can't truly trust anyone with absolute free will and think that everything is going to go well. It's just, realistically is impossible to happen, and so it's one of those ones. Like you, have to have somebody who has to be in control per se. They tried to change the democracy into a monarchy. They wanted to have somebody as a ruling person, and everyone fully agreed. In the Red Lotus. The person who was supposed to be in control was Zaheer, so that's why they went after Cora.
Speaker 2:I just want to point out how this is why I say Zaheer, in my opinion, was my favorite out of the bunch was because he took the whole airbender philosophy and radicalized it yes, absolutely did so, and it's one of those ones that it pointed out so many different things into, and it's like, okay, let's keep in mind, you have the, your air nomads, and the reason being that you guys Are hide away, it's not just for protection of everyone. It's like, oh, just to keep control. No, you hide away from everyone Because you're afraid of what your true power really is.
Speaker 1:Oh, and also Kuvira. What I like about her Is that Check this out, so, sue, and over in the Earth Kingdom. By the way, I'm going to hit you with some interesting facts. While I remember, I do like how Eska, one of my favorite characters in this show, is voiced by Aubrey Platt you know Aubrey From Mark the Rat and Scott Pilgrim vs the World, but also, making it more Closer to my point that I'm about to make, opal is voiced by allison stoner, and you remember allison from isabella, from um phoenix and ferb, or maybe kairi from on kingdom hearts. Uh, she voiced those characters.
Speaker 1:Okay, um, the whole point I would try to make with kubira is that, while sue, who was like, um, the leader of that section of the earth kingdom, was like, oh well, you know, we don't want to be like suppressed. I know the earth queen died, but I don't want to like impose my ideals onto the people. But then, uh, kavira hit her with a line that rings like it sounds very familiar in a sense, where she was like saying, oh well, uh, we over, uh, what was, uh the name, uh, of their, her home place? Uh, we are the beacon of progress and we should share that progress with the rest of the world and I was like, hold on, that sounds like another motherfucker. That said the same shit, didn't Fire. Lord Stolzen said the same shit and he's the one that kicked off the Hunger Gear War. And look what the fuck she's doing with her mech suit.
Speaker 2:Literally, literally. And it's one of those ones like history is always doomed to repeat itself, which is why it's supposed to be an avatar in place every single time. But it's also one of those ones of like shit gets scary. Shit can get scary sometimes when people have those same ideologies, and it's like and you start to really question but are they right though?
Speaker 3:are they right?
Speaker 2:but, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to think Zaheer was my favorite villain overall and the final season was really just supposed to be everyone adapting to the spirit world and that's the final closing part of the end of rava. As far as the end of this avatar cycle, that whole fourth season like, like you said, to start off great and then it felt like you had no idea where it was supposed to go. And the thing about it is is that you have to understand the avatar cycle to understand why the fourth season was that important. Because everything started with the first Avatar. In the first Avatar, the human world and the spirit world. There was no human world, spirit world. Everyone was together.
Speaker 2:All the humans lived on top of the lion turtles. That's where they had their cities at. It was on these islands that walked around. All the forest and everything that's there, even the swamp that Toph lived in and stuff. All of that belonged to the spirits. The only thing the humans had was on top of the lion turtles and they would get special bending abilities. Well, not even bending, but they were just given special abilities to control these specific elements, to protect themselves, to go and gather resources that they needed, food and stuff like that. Come back to their towns on top of the lion turtles and that's how things were supposed to go, and they returned their bending back to the lion turtles yeah, I remember this story to where, like avatar won the first one.
Speaker 1:He was the first one. That was like, okay, what if I go to all four of these lion turtles and not give the big thing back? Like I could just stay out here in the wilderness, like I got more help, but I think I would be fine out in the wild well, those, remember those reasonings that he was actually banned out of his thing.
Speaker 2:Um, so what winds up happening is for him for one is the fact that he was banned out of his thing. Um, so what winds up happening is for him for one is the fact that he was banned out of his village. He was, he was the first one, he was from the fire, he was from a fire nation per se. So that's the technically beginning point of the avatar cycle is fire. But he was kicked out because he was a thief. So he was given his ability of fire after defending um batu, which he had no idea what he was doing at the time, and then getting with rava. He understood that on the way, the only way to get batu back is to help rava out, and he needed to have all four elements. So he had to visit every single lion turtle and that's why he wound up. Getting all all four elements was actually just in order to help re-imprison batsu again, but in the end that still didn't work out. They wound up having to like robber was dying and wound up having to fuse their spirit into um avatar, one into one, making him the first avatar starting the avatar cycle, and then that's what one of they wound up sealing batsu, and then that's how the whole thing kind of kicked off, and so when you start off in understanding that that happened 10,000 years ago, it was time for him to reawaken again. Him reawakening still created chaos nonetheless, but this time the chaos that ensued wound up being the only way to fix the chaos. The only way to fix everything was to reopen the connection to the spirit world. It was the only way for the world to actually heal, and they they did. The fourth season did not do a good job explaining that, and so that's what it really hurt my feelings into that again, I had to really read the comics and watch these youtube videos to get a more understanding of other people who've read the comics, to understand what's happening. Listen to these interviews, read the books Because it's not just the comics but the actual books of it as well too and then you kind of get that more understanding that, after Kulvera's attack, what Kulvera did was completely unnatural, which, technically, advancements in technology is not natural.
Speaker 2:It is actually abnatural. This is not natural. It is actually ab natural. This is literally. This is a structure in order to control, by technically making metal, the formation of metal, even the formation of platinum. It can't be controlled by earthbenders because it's too refined that means, in technicality, is too refined for the earth to handle itself. To like you've actually completely destroyed it to the point that it can't be properly broken down back into the earth. Everything is supposed to be a given cycle. Everything is supposed to be able to bend back together as it's supposed to be. That's the circle of life per se, the cycle of everything.
Speaker 2:What Kulvera did was absolutely unnatural. She sapped energy from the root, from the spirit root, and forced it into a weapon that caused mass destruction that the world could not heal from. The only way that the world could heal itself was to reconnect to the spirit world so it could regain its power to properly heal. So in actuality, it wasn't just Korra having to reconnect the spirit world because she just kept feeling this calling to or kept having to do so with other spirits. It was because it absolutely was necessary. It was absolutely important and needed for the world to help.
Speaker 2:But the humans did not like it. They struggled with it. It's a hard thing to have to adapt to this. Your personal space is now gone and it's like, but it's one of those ones like it really it really wasn't best explained in the fourth season. And that's where the fourth season gets so confusing, because then you're just like where is it supposed to go? And that's actually why it was supposed to happen, that it's supposed to be. That healing process which, by getting this healing process is understanding, is also the reason now that we need the next cycle of avatars, because now the world is scarred, the world is having trouble healing, humans are having trouble still having trouble adapting to spirits. They never fully adapted. By the end of that season, korra technically just walked away from humanity. That's literally how the season ends. She says at this point she's like y'all just gonna have to deal with this shit. I'm not closing the door, you know what? And then walks away.
Speaker 1:At this point you gotta wonder okay, uh, the first Series was this is Um a chapter in the world where the avatar is needed the most? Uh, in Legend of Korra it was More like okay, uh, you're welcome, but Not really needed. But then imagine If the next series was more like Okay, we're getting kind of sick of you avatars ruining everything, so why don't we get out of here?
Speaker 2:we don't know. We'll see what happens, but you see how it's supposed to help develop into the next storyline. So it's like we're supposed to kind of see how things are. But that is me pushing all the time that I had, so I don't have anything else to really add on at the end that you know, zaheer is my favorite villain, for obvious reasons. The earth queen needed to fucking die.
Speaker 1:Oh come on no, no no, monarchy is crazy sometimes.
Speaker 2:Keep in mind to this. She specifically said it herself as long as she's alive, she will never change the way the Earth Kingdom is. She set herself up for that. She set herself up for that, bro. That's just what it was. It's just like. I just didn't like the way you put it out.
Speaker 1:I'm like it's. Did she just turn to die? I was like you don't know what you're talking about, lady.
Speaker 2:But when I explained it now you understand why I said no, she needed to go. So, yeah, no, she needed to go, but it was also getting a chance for the prince. I liked how we had it. Honestly, the prince had a better story than Cora did too, let's be honest. He went from goofy, not really caring about Not taking his job seriously, to understanding why his role is important and being able to actually do his thing.
Speaker 1:Can I talk about my favorite character in this whole shit? Which one we didn't talk about? Eric? Yet this man is so fucking funny. Dwayne, pull the car around.
Speaker 2:Daddy got work to do. Honestly I did love him, but realistically they just wanted to add Tony Stark into the show. That's all they wanted to do.
Speaker 3:Shut up, right. I didn't even see that did love him, but realistically they just wanted to add Tony Stark into the show that's all they wanted to do.
Speaker 2:This is it? This is it? Um, but no, that's. That's exactly what it was. Man is that he was just? He was just supposed to be Tony Stark. That was it Tony Stark. That was it man like For reals, though. I absolutely liked that character too. I fully agree with you he was dope.
Speaker 1:I really did like him. Oh, okay, with that being said, you're free to go and I thank you for being on the podcast.
Speaker 2:It was nice speaking to go and I thank you for being on the podcast. It was nice speaking to you guys. I hope I gave some really good clarification. Hopefully, mira Jane, you don't hate the legend of Korra or just Korra herself.
Speaker 3:Hopefully you don't hate her as much as you do now you know, you just have completely changed my opinion, and now I think I'm going to change my opinion. And that's amazing, because at first the heat was so intense for me.
Speaker 2:I got you. I'm glad I was able to help them today. So I will talk to y'all again another time. Again, be on the lookout. I will have got to finish up my review for High Card and then I will finish up my you. I'll go ahead and get back onto dragon prince, so to get those out.
Speaker 1:So y'all have a good one, though all right, man, you take it easy, okay, all right, mirror jane. Uh, do you have anything you want to add on to legend of korra? Like I know, he didn't give you a whole lot of room to speak, but you know.
Speaker 3:No, like it was. Honestly, it would have suggested me having a whole bunch of questions anyway at this point, but they were all answers, so I really don't have much to add on. The only thing I do want to say is I do love the fact that you guys brought up the fact that it felt like we were at no purpose. That it felt like for a purpose and so that's how I felt watching the show was that she just didn't have a sense of direction or a sense of purpose, and I also think that that should have been kind of like a hint for her to realize. Like that should have been a point of maturity and growth where you say you know, I'm not needed right now. Maybe I should go work on my craft, maybe I should go hone myself to be a more humble avatar, because it just felt like she lacked humility a lot of times. That's really the only thing I have to say about Zora, that's my key to this talk.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I pretty much ran out of steam too. I just, you know, I just thought to just give you a fair chance to say anything that might not have been mentioned or anything before we close this one out. With that being said, we thank you, ladies and gentlemen, listening, for sticking around until the end. Follow us on social media. You already know that we try and do things on Facebook.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to get back to Instagram and whatnot, but at this point I just get into a point to where I kind of care less and less about social media, but I'll do it for you guys, where I will interact with you all and we can hash it out nerdy style and uh, remember to stay nerdy and that great things are coming. Uh, we've got a lot more reviews. Um, in the words, we got a whole bunch of new shit like 2025, we're gonna be, uh, standing on business, uh, or at least trying to. Um. That being said, y'all go ahead and have yourself a good morning, a good afternoon or a good evening whenever you're listening to this, and take it easy.
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