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Magic the Gathering (Bloomburrow): Cards of Interest, Preconstructed Decks and Unlocking New Strategies with Furry Fury
Unlock the secrets of Magic: The Gathering's newest set, Bloomburrow, with us! First, we promise a deep dive into standout cards like Camellia, the Seed Miser, and Ygra, Eater of All, revealing the combos that can take your gameplay to the next level. Special guests Talos Gundam and Saitama Smash offer unique insights and lively commentary from a Puerto Rican store, adding color and excitement to our discussions. We'll also cover the strength and potential of Bloomburrow's pre-constructed decks, guiding you on how slight modifications can turn these decks into powerhouse builds.
Ever wondered how to create unbeatable token synergies with squirrels and rats? Our latest episode breaks down game-breaking combos involving Thornvall Forager and Rottenmouth Viper, exploring how recent sets have diversified rat roles into Rakdos and Dimir colors. We don't just stop at card mechanics—we delve into the strategic possibilities enabled by new card spoilers like Wild Seer Scouring Maw and Hazel the Root Blooms. Personal favorites like Maha and Lumra come under the spotlight, revealing their game-changing abilities and how they fit into various deck strategies.
Finally, we shift gears to discuss the broader Magic community, from the whimsical art of Bloomburrow reminiscent of Strixhaven, to the ongoing debates around physical versus digital game ownership. We share our thoughts on the evolving dynamics between developers and players, especially regarding recent controversial decisions by Wizards of the Coast. Wrapping up, we reminisce about the excitement of upcoming movie releases and fan conventions, balancing our love for gaming with other pop culture passions. Join us for a jam-packed episode that promises both strategic depth and light-hearted entertainment.
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welcome back to the zone podcast, where we counter spell your best laid plans. With a smile on our face, I'm jet black extreme, and joining me now is saitama smash and talos gundam, and today's topic is magic gathering bloomboro. Without further ado, let's go ahead and zone in on it. Let me be honest with you.
Speaker 1:My first impression when I heard of bloomboro, I'm thinking pretty much like all the sets from 2024 where I'm like and whatever, whatever, I don't think I need to buy any cards from this set, whatever. And then I'd be looking at these previews and these spoilers and I'm like, hold the fuck on, hold the fuck on, I, I can use this, I can use that too, yeah, yeah. And here's the thing With Outlaws of Thunder Junction. There were some pretty good ones, but honestly it was more like a handful in that one Assassin's Creed, about the same thing, like a handful in particular, but not a whole lot.
Speaker 1:Bloom Bro I have at least 20 cards on my hit list and I'm going to let you know my hit list and we're going to talk about the pre-constructed decks, any combos that we may have come across in the wild, not necessarily from Bloomboro, but we might as well make it a thing to where you know like combo of the day, to where Check out this combo that I learned About. It doesn't have to be a part of the Same set, but you know Something to talk about while we're talking about Magic Gathering. So yeah, before I get Into all that, tell us what's your impression of Bloomboro.
Speaker 3:Alright. So what's good folks? Uh, first and foremost, literally my impressions on bloomboro is as it normally is with any, with any set that comes out of magic. Hey, you know what I'm gonna wait, see what I'm gonna wait and see what they got. You know I'm saying before I make a critical judgment of anything, and not only that, when I saw some of the spoilers I was not disappointed. There's not a lot of sense, I'm not even going to front. There's not a lot of sense where I can say legit, where I haven't been like, oh my God, really, are we just going to stay unbalanced in this game? But Bloomberg looks like they're starting to try at least a little bit. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying there isn't some unbalancing, it is. But at the same time they're putting a little work. I can see some effort. I can really see some effort. So you know, that's relatively my hot take at this current point. That's my hot take right now.
Speaker 1:Gotcha and Sly Thomas Madge. Same question how are you feeling about Bloomboro as it is right now?
Speaker 2:Well, so far, so good. I'm actually currently at the store in Yossi well, it's in Puerto Rico, called Yossi and I'm actually feeling really good about this set. It's amazing. A lot of special guests are coming into the Bloomboro set, since it features 10 special guests and we'll have cards like Toad of the Plowshare Ledger, shredder Rat, colony, relentless Rat'll have cards like toes of plowshare ledger, uh, shredder rat, colony, relentless rat. You have a whole bunch of cards that are making this special guest. Um, it is currently not fully uh, not fully released, but I'm telling you I already have boxes. They're amazing. I'm planning on getting some soon. Um, they're. The colors are just wonderful. The cards are just great and truly I love the set. I think this is getting really far gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1:Now, keep in mind, ladies and gentlemen, that usually from now on, when we do magic gathering talk, we do it right around the time of pre-release, so some of these episodes might not be out by the time.
Speaker 1:Um, they, you know it's gonna be a little dated, so just keep that in mind. Going forward to where, uh, usually when we do our episodes, we pretty much um already talked about during, like pre-release, because you know, we pretty much got an idea what the cards are, so we might as well put it out. But, you know, editing and whatnot, uh, it might take longer than usual for it to actually get out there. You know what I mean. But yeah, um, the hit list that I was telling y'all about. Let me go ahead and talk about my hit list real quick and then maybe go around the table see what, how talos and sites I'm gonna feel about if they have a hit list. But let me talk about mine real quick. Uh, for starters, let's start with camellia uh, the seed miser, a one black and green. Uh. Squirrel warlock uh, has menace. Uh, three, three creature, uh, other squirrels you control have menace whenever you sacrifice one or more foods, create one, uh green scroll to create your token with one one. Uh, you can forge with this creature to where you put one one count on each other, scroll, you control, okay, on its own, and that's not that scary, until you pair it with shit like, uh, igra eater of all. Now, oh, I fucking love igra, like. That's the one where I'm like, hey man, all I need is igra and vandal blast and I'm blasting your entire army. Now check this out. Uh, igra eater of all is three with black and green ward where you sacrifice a food to counter. Well, no, your opponent have to sacrifice a food token in order to target your creature, otherwise it gets counter spilled. Well, counter, you know. But here's the thing. Here's what I really like about Yggdrasil Other creatures are food artifacts in addition to the other types. So that means that all creatures other than yggra is an artifact. And with cars like I don't know, dark steel, forge or whatnot, you know artifact, uh, friendly, um, cars like that, yeah, that gets kind of scary. It kind of doesn't. Oh, yeah, the last effect of igra was, whenever a food is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put two, one one counters on igra. Now, keep in mind, when I said other creatures are food artifacts. That means my creatures and your creatures, everybody's creatures, become food artifacts. So that's why I figured with uh cards like camellia, uh, that will get pretty crazy, because even if you sacrifice one of your creatures, you just end up spitting out another uh creature and taking this place. Uh, bellow, or the brambles.
Speaker 1:Another creature that I fucking love, he's a three, three, um comes in at one and a red and a green during your turn. Each non-equipment artifact and non-aura enchantment you control with a mana value of four or higher is a four, four elemental creature that has indestructible haste, and whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, draw a card. Oh, and that's a commander, like in the pre-con. Oh, I gotta have them. I gotta have them. Oh, here's one that's like a common, but I just think it's interesting. Uh, bark form harvester is a three of any color. Uh, two, three artifact creature. It's a changeling, it has reach and you just pay two man of any color to put any target card from your graveyard to the bottom of your library. Not that special when you think about it, but if you have like tutor cards, then okay. Now we're cooking with gas. Uh, chatterfang is getting um, like a new art variant. I fucking love this new uh etched foil version of him. He looks like fucking badass.
Speaker 1:So y'all already know chatterfang and I kind of wish a tattoo would be on for this one. But you know he has plans and I'm not gonna even hold him. Like, go ahead and have fun, dude. Uh oh, let's talk about torment of hellfire. If it was a creature, rotten mouth viper.
Speaker 1:Now, rotten mouth viper is a six, six coming in at 5 of any color and 1 black. As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may sacrifice non-land permanents any number to reduce it by 1 of any color left, so you can get it down to like maybe 1 black and then boom, it's out there. So whenever Rotten Mouth Viper enters, enters or attacks, put a blight counter on it. Then for each blight counter on it, each opponent loses four life, unless that player sacrifices a non-land permanent or discard a card. Now imagine you running proliferate in your deck. You got so many blight counters on rotten mouth viper. I'm like, bro, you like making your opponent like sweat, either life, permanence or discarding cars. But that's why I say run my girl turgrid. All right, I got more in the hit list, but uh, before I get to them, tell those sites on. Y'all got anything y'all want to add on to all that? Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:So look, look real quick, right, I'm not dropping. I'm not dropping combos and quote unquote, we're gonna do it like it is. I'm not dropping combos for you horse because, hey, guess what? Um, keeping secrets, especially since I'm certainly, since we trying to relatively get a nice, nice little interleague of our own here in zone where we can come and play and chill, you know, especially all lines. But, by the way, I want y'all to understand something right these commander decks, these pre-cons, these pre-cons, these pre-cons, the two of them, two of them. You will see me run and I want you to understand I'm going to make them nasty, very much so which one first off squirrels away okay, okay, all right, I want y'all to understand.
Speaker 3:Right, squirrels away. You might think oh look squirrels, he's just gonna flood the field. I'm gonna give you this nice little secret squirrels go real nice with poison tokens.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Hold on hold on.
Speaker 1:In fact, you reminded me of who was that motherfucker that I just saw that I was just looking at Bloodroot Apothecary oh my God, listen.
Speaker 3:Listen Squirrels go nice with poison tokens. Listen.
Speaker 1:It has toxic to when it enters you and your target opponent. Uh, we have the treasure token. Whenever an opponent sacrifices a non-creature token, that player gets two poison counters.
Speaker 3:I'm like bro I promise you, this is lovely. The other one, the other one. Now y'all know, he just screams to me, he's offering. What is it called?
Speaker 1:Group hug.
Speaker 3:I like the hug, but this one is bunnies. Question though how about I turn the bunnies and you the bears?
Speaker 1:Oh man get the fuck out of here with fucking Kudo man. Nah, nah, you know what I got, Maha for your ass.
Speaker 3:I got you we gon' hug Y'all don't understand. There will be so much manna on the field. You will be thanking me and cursing me at the same time. Understand me. These preconducts is oh, oh lovely.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I'm definitely getting the squirrel one and the raccoon one, maybe rabbit, I don't know. Hold on Zinnia, the bird one. That one was actually pretty good. Yeah, like these pre-cons have to go hard.
Speaker 3:Now that family matters, the birds, you know. Y'all want to make offspring and stuff. I understand, but see that trash panda does call me too.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:That trash panda does call me too. I'm just saying, relatively, these four pre-con decks are relatively nice. They are nice, and then with things that already came out previously that have not been banned oh, it's glorious times to just easily tweak them just a little bit here, shift them just a little bit there, and then you got a nightmare on the board that you don't want to play against man oh, oh, you know what, since we're talking about bunnies and shit, let's talk about this one sorcery.
Speaker 1:that's kind of got me interested For the common good. Two X and one green, to where you create X tokens that are copies of target token you control. Then those tokens you control gain indestructible until your next turn, and you gain one life for each token you control. Okay, that's nice. So they come in with indestructible for like one, two turns. You have two turns and you just pretty much make whatever token you already created, but uh, depending on, if you like, say, for instance, that's kind of like why I like Spring Heart and Nantuko from the other one. Oh shit, hold on, give me one moment, just no fucking way. Now, hold on, what up Tattoo? I thought he wasn't going to make it.
Speaker 4:Hey man, Things just happened to work out here.
Speaker 2:I am Welcome man, what's up?
Speaker 1:man, not what we're doing pretty good man, what? Right now we're going through the hit list talking about the pre-cons and whatnot. Uh, we were talking about how these pre-cons are pretty good, like right out the um fucking box. Like, yeah, I would definitely run these just for funsies. And then, like once I pretty much had my fill on, I'm like all right, maybe I'll either edit them or like, uh, liquidate them into other decks, but um tattoo, what's your thoughts on bloomboro so far?
Speaker 4:uh, well, I am. I'm optimistic. I think there's a lot, of, a lot of good cards to come out of this set. I think it has potential. Um, I'm a fan of the whimsical art style. I know a lot of people are kind of upset about it, but I think it kind of plays well. Um, especially considering the next set we're gonna get, it's gonna be really doom and gloom and gory, but, um, I like it overall. Um, I opened the product that I bought earlier today at my lgs for pre-release. I didn't really get a lot that I wanted, but I mean, can't win them all right, but um, I don't know, man, I think it's a, I think it's a, I think it'll be a good set for sure. There's definitely some power here, um, and I think there's gonna be a lot of fun stuff to come out of it. I think there's going to be fun things and fun combos that people stumble across as the set rolls out. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, oh, believe me, fun combos ain't even the word. Based off the spoilers and everything that I saw beforehand. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that folks come across it's bullshit. Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Saw beforehand. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that folks come across this bullshit across the table.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely, and I think it's. I think it's fun that, um, that squirrels and rats are getting a little bit of love, because you know, with the uh wilds of eldraine set we kind of got a little bit of the rat love with totem taz, uh. But it's nice to see that they're kind of diversified because you know rats were primarily black and then with Wilds of Eldraine they got a little bit of the Rakdos love and now they're getting Dimir and stuff like that. So it's definitely fun to see them diversify a little.
Speaker 1:I think there's a Grixis rat now.
Speaker 4:There might be. But I do like how it went back and they did alt arts for Ink Eyes and Maronar and Rat Colony and all that stuff. So I think they picked the right cards for this set to kind of get a little revamp. So I'm pleased with that as well.
Speaker 3:Facts, facts. Like I just said before you came in here, yeah, squirrels go great with poison tokens oh yes, oh yes squirrels go great with poison tokens absolutely oh man
Speaker 1:uh, okay, here's another squirrel. Now that I think about it, not surprised. It's like a rare but uh, thornball forager a one and a green. Uh, it's kind of like a mana dork, but you can forge with this so you can add two mana, any combination of color. Uh, if you sacrifice a food token or uh exile three cards from graveyard you're not going to exile three cards from graveyard. Just sacrifice food but be careful if somebody got like a blood root apothecary where if you sacrifice that token you take two poison counts.
Speaker 1:I was like bro, it's a new thorn forager. Hold on, uh. The third ability to where you do three of any color and a and a green. You search your library for a squirrel card reel. It put it in your hand and then shuffle. So it's essentially a squirrel tutor for if you want to bring, like Chatterfang or one of your squirrel sub-commanders out.
Speaker 4:And then you know the fact that that damn apothecary man, the fact that it gives you two poison counters right. Well then, you know, you think you've got your doubling seasons and anything that proliferates, or anything like that. So now it's like you have the potential. You literally have the potential to knock a single opponent out within two turns with poison counters, Just for them cracking treasures or foods or anything. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I was just saying the same thing about Rotten Mouth Viper, to where you proliferate and whatnot, or use Doubling Season with Rotten Mouth Viper on the field, you essentially is forcing your opponent to either lose life, discard cards or sac permanents. But I was also saying if you had cards like Turgrit on the field, you're really giving them a terrible ultimatum.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you're forcing them to do something they don't want to do and that's going to definitely ruffle some feathers to save the race.
Speaker 3:Well, no, Once again right. And here's something you know I told y'all. I wasn't even going to try to give y'all no hints, tips, tricks, but I want y'all to understand. If you ever come across a player that literally says, you know, I like to hug folks, Okay cool. But if that player tells you that they're giving you things, but then you turn around and see, every time they give you something, they give you poison counters too. I want you to understand me very clearly, Very clearly. They don't love you across the board. In the words of my oh TikTok, they never loved you in the beginning.
Speaker 1:Nah see, those group hug players are so petty they remind me of you. Know how you would go to school? And then some of these motherfuckers will be so disgusting to where they will blow their nose in their hand. And then they will just walk up to you like, hey buddy, how are you doing? And try to wipe your hand off. No, fuck you.
Speaker 4:Right, yeah, yeah, man, group hug is definitely a tactic. I don't know how I feel about it, whether I like it or hate it, but it's a viable tactic, I mean it has. It's a very political one, oh, absolutely Absolutely, is it's like.
Speaker 1:I don't want to. It's like you're my opponent. I shouldn't trust you, but I do need to take advantage of this opportunity exactly see, look you get it.
Speaker 3:There you go because, as a group hug player, I want you to understand. We're all going to enjoy this. But I'm going to enjoy it more as I watch you all slowly suffer and get sacked across the board because we can't do anything. That's the joy of group hug.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, I mean, like I don't do a lot of group hug Every once in a while, there's certain cards that I'll use. There is one card, for whatever reason it is damn escaping me right now, but it's a green card and I love it because every time I play it and I've talked about it on here before every time I play it I've got one friend that tells me to go to hell, and the rest of the table is always like yeah, let's do it, because everybody pays mana into the card and then we all search for that many basics so if everybody pays, I know you, I know what you're talking about, but the name is getting me too.
Speaker 4:but I know what you're talking about, yeah that's my favorite group hug card because it's like, look, I mean, yeah, I benefit from it, because I think I got that card too. Oh, dude, I've got it on like four decks. It's like I always tell the tip.
Speaker 3:I'm like, look, yeah, you know, I get the mana too but if everybody goes in and we all fetch 10 lands, you guys benefit from it more because they come in tap. I can't do shit with 10 tap lands.
Speaker 4:You guys get to untap them before I do so. I mean, why wouldn't you pay into it, right?
Speaker 4:but then when it comes, you have but then well, but then when it comes back to my turn and I'm playing joda, where I can play shit for Woo Bird and I cascade, and then I just updated the deck to where now, dude, I played a game like two weekends ago, right by turn four I had, uh, I had double. My mana was doubled because I had mana reflection out. I had a card that I can't remember the name of it, but I had a card out that whenever it dealt damage it had flying and whenever it dealt damage I could play a card from my hand for free and I had Jota out on the field, right. So I had I. Essentially, by turn four, I had like triple cascades and I could like I was like all right, I'll tap double wooberg or no, I attacked, played a, uh, played a card from my hand because he didn't have anything to block my flyer. Well, since I cast that card, I got to cascade off of that card, right.
Speaker 4:Well then I went to second main, double wooberg. Pulled a card, uh, played a card from my hand, cascaded off of that, played another card from my hand, cascaded off of that, played another card from my hand, cascaded off of that. In one turn I played like six creatures and my buddy was just sitting across from me like man, I'm glad I built this new deck just to watch you play shit. This is awesome. So, like that's the deck that has my my, uh, my group hug in it, because it's like yeah, I want, I want you guys to get land, because when I get landed, y'all don't shut me down right now.
Speaker 1:When it comes back to my turn, you better believe, if I'm getting at least five basics, I'm grabbing wooberg so I can just start storming some shit out of this deck and it's gonna get nutty fast oh, hell, yeah, you know what you reminded me of when I was just starting commander, because, uh, keep in mind, I've known about and sort of played magic for 10 years, but it wasn't until like 2018 that I got into commander and, um, my pod was like exchanging cards and whatnot and one of my buddies had guillop ori and I was like, hey, man, let me have that, because my wakanda forever deck would definitely work with that. And one of my buddies was like saying, yeah, uh, you should let them have that because, even though it's a good card, it has more value in cards where lands matter. So, yeah, it's like I'm gonna put it out on the field and everybody can play additional lands. And you're thinking like, why are you helping us? I'm like, believe me, I'm helping myself more than I'm helping you.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 4:Like it's nice for everybody else to get the love, but you know, there's always the ulterior motive, man. Even though you're helping them and you're letting them get, you're the one that's gonna Benefit from it more.
Speaker 1:And you know what tattoo? You reminded me of A card on the hit list that I got. Wild Seer Scouring Maw comes in With three of any color, a red and a green. Legendary creature With trample 6-6 enchantment Spells you cast from your hand. Have cascade man. These beasts in this fucking set. I really thought I wasn't gonna buy anything from bloom bro until I saw these fucking spoilers. And then you see cars like fucking hazel the root blooms where you pay two live tap x tokens on tap tokens, by the way. You control x at any minute of any combination of colors and at the end of your insta you create a token that's a copy of target token you control and that token is a squirrel. You create two instead.
Speaker 4:So imagine all those token doublers and shit so I know I missed the the first little bit, but you had mentioned turgrid earlier and one of the cards that I really wanted out of this set. I'm sad that I didn't pull it, uh, but I got. I got a line on one. I got. I got a couple of friends that own shops and one of my buddies has one so he might be trading it to me. It was Maha. It's Feathers Night Three. Two black tour six, five. Flyer with trample has ward discard a card. Creatures your opponent control have a base toughness of one. So when that hits the field that's just all kinds of shenanigans because you can shut down so hard. If you got anybody that has any kind of deck, that uh does a lot with like tokens and counters and stuff all of their tokens are now weak as hell.
Speaker 4:That means, uh means, any card that you have that gives you the option of like destroy all creatures with power toughness less than three, or you know something like that. You're just wiping shit, you're doing all kinds of damage with that card and then the possibilities, the shenanigans you can get into with that card, is pretty ridiculous. That and Lumera, which I know you wanted Lumera.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, hold on, lumera. Now hold on. I had to check my messages because Saitama had to step out because he was running low on charge on his phone because he was at the store. Understandable, we appreciate you for being on, saitama, but Lumera out because, um, he was running low on charge on his phone because he was at the arm store. So, understandable, uh, we appreciate you for being on, saitama, but lumera a, it doesn't have like power and toughness per se, but I'll explain that later.
Speaker 1:Uh, it comes in at four, any color, on two, green, vigilance, reach. It has a power toughness, uh, depending on how many number of lands you have and when it enters. You mill four, but then you return all the lands that you have in your graveyard to the battlefield tap. So some of those uh cards that you may have milled could have been lands. So you pretty much get those cards back for free. But the payoff is uh, if you like, burn a whole bunch of lands, like, say, for instance, if you're like me, to where you have renin-6 or six, to where you have uh retrace, you just pretty much burn your lands to retrace, uh, instant sorceries or whatever card that's in your graveyard, and you're like damn, I wish I could have those lands back.
Speaker 4:Oh wait, let me pop rumor real quick not just that, but also think about the strategy here, where um any kind of any kind of like self mill deck like one of my favorite pet decks that I have is my mimeoplasm deck and I built mimeoplasm oh that motherfucker oh right yeah, so.
Speaker 4:So like I built mimeoplasm as a self mill deck, so I mean I got shit like fleet swallower in there where when fleet swallower attacks target opponent or target player mills half of their library, I'll smack you for three and then mill half of my library, I don't give a a shit.
Speaker 4:And then if I can pop Lumera out, well, any land that I just milled from milling 50 cards or so, that's all gonna come back and then I can play Mimeoplasm easily.
Speaker 4:And then out of anything in my graveyard and I mean I'm talking, I have bombs in that deck I've got like my favorite thing that I go to is it that Betrays and Vorinclex, so I'll double the counters. The way it works is I'll make Mimeoplasm a copy of Vorinclex, so it's Vorinclex, which gives it the haste and the doubling of the counters that are put on it, and then you add a number of 1-1 counters equal to the other card, which would be something like Tres or anything that I have in there. I mean, most of the creatures that I have in there are high power and toughness creatures, so that if I can bank one of those, I mean if you have double your counters and I exile a 12-12 with it. Well, now my commander is a 24-24 with trample and haste. How do you feel sitting across the table from that, you know, like that's kind of one of those oh shit moments where you see that you're like one of us is dying, like right now.
Speaker 1:I mean, I know that that is pretty impressive, but it gets to a point to where, once you start building combos, to where you can build an army with infinite, um, tough power and tough. It's almost like, yeah, oh man, you know 24, 24 does sound like threatening if I didn't have anything against that, but it really depends on what deck you're running. But yeah, that is scary.
Speaker 4:I mean, you're right, it does depend on what deck you're running. But on that same token, like, if I play the deck correctly, right, I can. I can typically get mimeoplasm out early enough if I wanted to, but I want a chance to mill myself out some, so I like to wait until people start doing their big plays. I'll wait for somebody to tap out and then I'll be like, oh, okay, well, the person that I'm going after they're tapped out, okay, cool. So then I'll just go after them. And a lot of times, um, whenever I play that deck, all my friends that I play with they know if I pull the Mimeoplasm out, they're like all right, everybody, you got to leave mana open, you got to leave mana open, don't tap out. Because if you tap out, that's when shit's going to get bad and they always forget. But for the most part, somebody will go to tap out on a turn and they'll be like, hey, how many cards are in.
Speaker 4:Chris's graveyard. What's over here, what's in the graveyard? So like they try to keep a check on it, but it can get out of hand. I remember the first time I built it and played it I got really lucky and I had milled the two cards that I wanted to mill and I got Mimeoplasm out on curve and immediately it was like turn 5 and they were still building their board state but I had a monster out. So they were like, okay, well, I don't think I'm going to draw into anything that's really going to help, so you just want to like scoop so we can get another game in. I was like, yeah, man, I'm cool with that if y'all are Okay. Okay, oh man.
Speaker 2:I'm cool with that, if y'all are Okay.
Speaker 1:Oh, man, you know what? I just remember something else from my hit list that come up a little scary, and this is why I say the squirrels are the scariest motherfuckers out of the bunch. Honestly I would say the birds and the rabbits and the trash pandas. But listen here Hazel's Brewmaster a three of any color, one black is a creature that's 3-4 with menace.
Speaker 1:Whenever Hazel's Brewmaster enters or attacks, exile up to one target card from your a graveyard not just yours but any graveyard and create a food token, and foods you control have all activated abilities of all creature cards exiled with hazel's brew magic. Now revisit igra to where all the um creatures on the field are food tokens and whatnot. So you can exile all those creatures that's in the graveyard and you pretty much imprint all those abilities, like, say, for instance, rotten mount viper. Let's say, for instance, you're going up against a rottenten Mount Viper, you manage to exile it. I mean, bring it to the graveyard first, but then you attack with Hazel's Brewmaster, you exile the Rotten Mount Viper and you pretty much imprint that on all your other creatures, because when you Yggdras on the field, all creatures are food artifacts, so all creatures gain all activated effects of creatures exiled with Hazel's Brewmaster, holy shit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's um Hazel's Brewmaster's a. I think it's definitely gonna get some play it's. It's definitely going to be a card that a lot of people use, I think, especially once people start really experimenting with it. And I mean eager is just like I said when I, when I, when I joined man this, I, I really think that this set, I think it's um, I think what happened, I think what's gonna happen is like I think a lot of people are gonna see it and they're gonna be like, well, this looks really childish and yada, yada, yada, and it's gonna catch a lot of flack because it's all cutesy animals and stuff like that but no, no, no, that's what I love about it, but no, go ahead uh no, I, I agree.
Speaker 4:That's what I love about it too, right, like that's why I like it. Like I got a buddy of mine who he got real upset man, because he saw man, he saw what they did to Karn, he saw that art on Karn Bro. He was like he said, look what they did to my boy, what did they do to him? And I was like I know man. He said, man, I can't believe they're doing this cutesy shit, yada, yada. And I'm like man, look. I said I know you're not a fan of the cutesy artwork. I said, but you really need to pay attention. Because I said I think there's gonna be some bombs in this set and sure enough, man, great deco trees on droopy cousin does.
Speaker 4:He looks so derpy and it's adorable. But I mean, really, when you think about it, it's just like it makes perfect sense, like I said earlier, because, like, this is the set that makes sense for like rats and squirrels to get the attention that they got, and it makes sense. And it's so like when they did like Toski right, it made sense. And it's so like when they, when they did like Toski right, it made sense when they did that, because that was back in um, why am I drawing a blank here?
Speaker 4:it be like that sometimes yeah, anyway, the set that they released, toski in it made sense because it was viking themed. You know it was. It was it fit with that? Because you know they were going for that, that aesthetic. Well, this makes sense now for them to do that because they've done all the cutesy little woodland creatures. Everybody got turned into woodland creatures. It's the same thing they did with strixhaven where, you know, everybody got morphed into school teachers and they were on their harry potter shit. Then you know it's, it's one of those things where, like, eventually know, it's just kind of like an Elseworlds tale, but it makes sense because now they have a reason to introduce all of these other like cutesy characters that have potential to get their footing to go into other tribal type decks, like the amount of rats that have been put out.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on Kindred. It is now Kindred.
Speaker 4:Hey look, they can call it whatever they want to call it. I'm part Native American, I'm okay with tribal. So, like it's just one of those things where, like they have now, they now have the potential to like go into these other types of uh, creature decks that weren't exactly accessible and now they have these new creatures and new characters to put into it. Have a chance, because, like, if they just kind of tried to shoehorn a whole bunch of squirrels or new rats into dusk morn or even, like Junction, you know, any of the other sets that have different, different themes, you would have just kind of been like, what's this about you?
Speaker 1:know, what I mean because that's what trips me out sometimes, where sometimes sets come out and it just makes you think oh man, you remember that one card back in that last set, that'll go perfect for this car right here, and that's exactly what they did, like there's because, like, yeah, you know, there were, there were the, the really badass chatterfang decks.
Speaker 4:But you know, like it was kind of one of those things where it's like yeah, this is a chatterfang deck, yeah, it's a squirrel deck, but like there was only so much support and so much love for it yeah, it's like now really commit to the whole squirrel theme to do a proper chatterfang now he's getting so much love like yeah exactly, exactly.
Speaker 4:And so then like, um, I got a dude that hit me up, man it. It was so funny because you know me, selfless plug, doing my deck boxes and my tokens and stuff. I had posted on social media the new Squirrel Deck box that I'm doing. And it's so funny because, like this guy, when I first did my Squirrel Token it was beautiful, by the way, bro, really Thank you when I first made that Squirrel Token, this dude hit me up and he was like man, I got a chatterfang deck, I love that token, I got to have one, Let me get one. I was like, all right, yeah, cool dude, I hooked him up, sent it out to him. He's happy with it, he loved it.
Speaker 4:And then, sure, my DMs like bro, you know, I need the deck box to go with the token that I've already got, come on. And I was like, of course, man, of course I got you. So now it's perfect because Chatterfang had potential. Yeah, but now Chatterfang has all of these supporting characters now where it feels feels more like squirrels instead of just kind of like something that's supposed to be squirrel themed. Now you can't deny it.
Speaker 1:Hey, y'all remember watching Open Season way back in the day and those squirrels were attacking Boog and Elliot. That's what Chatterfang feel like to me, to where it's like just imagining him and a whole bunch of squirrels showing like oi just throw a tank or that's what hell?
Speaker 4:yeah, exactly, man, that's exactly what it's like, because, like it's, it's, uh, like this goes to. I think I said it in the last, the last episode that we did like, each color has one creature type. That is the like overrun creature type. Like you know, red has goblins, green is squirrels, black is rats. Like each, each one has its own color, or each one has its own creature type. And now, like now, the squirrels are just overwhelming. They're like they're taking over, which I'm happy about, because, you know, I like squirrels anyway and I was planning on building a squirrel deck, but now I mean, there's like really no reason not to, you know s-i-n-p.
Speaker 1:Squirrels I'm sorry I, I couldn't even commit to that bit, honestly, honestly, but oh hell, yeah. Speaking of animals and shit, let me talk about one more from my hit list. I think there's a few more, but there's one that I'm looking at right now the Trail Tracker Scout. He's a low drop, one of any color and a green, another mana dork, but here's what he gets interesting whenever you expend eight, which means you pay eight mana for anything like. In other words, if you're like um, paying two spells, that's like four mana ease, or one spell that costs eight for some reason or whatever, as long as you're spending eight in one turn. When you expend eight, you return up to one target, permanent, from your graveyard to your hand. So that's great for recycling, so it's like you know not too impressive.
Speaker 1:But I'm like hey for a card that I can just pretty much pick any permanent and just bring it back to my hand. That's perfect for enchantments, artifacts and whatnot, because with creatures it really depends on the creature. But more than likely you're going to want your lands, your enchantments, your artifacts back for sure. Maybe planes, orbs too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I agree with that strategy. I think that's a good way to play that. I don't know, man, there's a. I'm searching right now. I'm looking through all the the set looking for stuff and I just keep seeing stuff that jump out at me and I'm like man, that's a good card.
Speaker 1:And then the art form, the art's so damn good, oh hell, yeah, like, like I was saying uh, earlier, I like the x foil version of chatterfang. Oh man, he's looking badass, like it's funny, because, uh, I was talking about my wakana forever deck and he just seems like a perfect addition as a sub commander to wakana forever, especially the way he's like armored with the one eye and shit. I'm like, oh hell, yeah, imagine him being like in the forefront and be like.
Speaker 4:Wakanda Forever. Another thing that I like about this set is that they've got their Season of cards. Those are kind of cool. Have you spoke on any of those yet?
Speaker 1:No, but if you want to feel free.
Speaker 4:So one that I think is fun is the blue one. I mean it's got a high cost, it's four and two blue, but season of weaving, it's a sorcery that says choose up to five and it's got the little paw print worth of modes. You may choose the same mode more than once. One paw is draw a card. Two paws choose an artifact or creature you control, create a token that's a copy of that. And then three paws, return each non-land, non-token permanent to its owner's hand, each non-land, non-token permanent to its owner's hand. So you know, if you're hitting a dry spell and you're not drawing your lands, you could draw five cards. Or you could choose to return all non-land, non-token permanents to the owner's hand and choose an artifact or creature you control and make a copy of it. I mean, like you could do so much with that card and each color has their own version or their own season of I. Just I like the blue one was good. I actually ended up pulling the white one and I got the borderless version of it, which is a season of the burrow. It's three and two white, up to five. You know the same thing. Uh, one paw is create a one. One rabbit, white rabbit creature token to exile target non-land permanent, its controller draws a card or three, return target permanent card with mana value of three or less from your graveyard to the battlefield with an indestructible counter on it. So, like you know, yeah, you could, if you're doing a rabbit deck, you could, you know, use that first ability. But I mean, like, realistically, I'm more likely to use the three and the two paw, probably do both of those, you know, probably try to get a good low drop back with an indestructible counter on my side and then exile something that I saw as a problem on the other side of the field, even though I'm giving you a card, you know, still getting rid of the problem that I see across the board. Or if you, you know you want to be in exile like a soul ring or something you know, just to be funny, but there's a lot of fun to be had with that.
Speaker 4:And then the black one Season of Loss. The first one is each player sacrifices a creature. Well, turgrid, there you go. Two paws draw a card for each creature you controlled that died this turn. I mean, if you're, that can go in a bunch of different decks. I mean any kind of aristocrat strategy or anything like that. Three paws Each opponent loses X life, or X's the number of creature cards in your graveyard. Well, mimeoplasm Self Mill, there you have it. You know, take half your deck out and then make Everybody lose 30 health. It's just, uh, a lot of a lot Of good, good stuff. Man, like I kind of feel like they're Coming off of that, um, that nutty bend that they were on, like we were saying for the last two sets, where they were just throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what stuck.
Speaker 1:I kind of feel like they're Kind of dialing it back a little bit, but I still feel like some of the cards have some, uh, some nutty tendencies, for sure it's almost like they're very supportive, like, like you pretty much said, it's more, uh, tailored towards tribal, because it's not like the other sets didn't have that going on per se, but it's more like, uh, bloomboro making it very obvious that, um, they want you to play a certain tribal deck, especially with the pre-cons, where the pre-cons just um come right out the box, uh, strong enough to where it's like it'll make you consider just playing like a tribal deck. And with some of these season cards, I would say season of loss. Yeah, yeah, I could see that. Uh, like you said, with the um, with the blue and the white one, those were pretty interesting as well.
Speaker 1:There was also Season of Gathering, where essentially you put a 1-1 counter on a creature you control and it gains Vigilant Trample until the end of turn. You either choose an Artifact or a Champion and you destroy all permits of that chosen type, or you draw a card equal to the greatest power among creatures you control. So that's pretty much on brand for green. And then the red one was Season of the Bold, where you either create a tap treasure token where, if you have Academy Manufacturer, you're getting more value out of that oh, absolutely Exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn you may play them. Or until the end of your next turn whenever play them. Or until the end of your next turn whenever you cast a spell.
Speaker 1:Season of the bold deal. Two damage up to one target creature. So that's like another burn card. Um, once again on brand for red, but honestly I would say the blue one is like the best one I heard because like essentially, uh, you create a copy of the target or uh, you turn each non-land, non-token permanent to his owner hand. So that way you can just pretty much like rebalance the whole board state.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, I agree, that would definitely be the one that I would go for. Um, I'm dude, I'm going, I'm going through my cards that I got and, uh, I just happened to notice. I'm going through my cards that I got and I just happened to notice I must have skimmed over this. I got three Tree City. I got like two of those, which is nice.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that one's good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but I got the Dour Portmage for one and a blue. He's a frog wizard one, three, whenever one or more other creatures you control leave the battlefield without dying, draw a card and then, for one and a blue, tap return another target creature you control to its owner's hand. So I mean, I don't know Brago, for instance, where we're just blinking shit for no reason because he managed to do what he does you know, like that's insane, how many cards you could draw. If you put that in a brago day, man, I would blink the entire side of the battlefield whether they had etvs or not, just because you know, like that's a, that's a pretty decent card. I'm, uh, I'm kind of happy I pulled that. Actually, now that I found it.
Speaker 1:uh, speaking of etb, you know what's kind of crazy to me, to where I just bought a single for kodama the east tree, for the sage tree combo and with the pre-cons coming out, the trash panda pre-con has a kodama of the East tree in it. So I'm like, fuck, I could have just bought the pre-con and still got the card Dude.
Speaker 4:Man look. And they have a.
Speaker 1:Lotus Cobra in there too. Oh man, the combos you can pull. All you have to do is just put a tireless provisioner in this pre-con and you're good. Yeah, All the ground plan.
Speaker 4:I stopped buying pre-cons for a while and then I picked up one or two here or there like um, I really I think, honestly, I think I had stopped buying pre.
Speaker 4:I don't remember when I stopped but there is a balance plan in there I uh, I don't I don't remember when I had stopped buying them, but it's been a long time. And then when the fallout uh set came out, I was like you know what, I'm gonna pick up some of the fallout ones long time. And then, when the fallout uh set came out, I was like you know what, I'm gonna pick up some of the fallout ones because I'm a fan of fallout. And this is the first time in a long time where I've looked at all four pre-cons and I was like I think I might be buying all the pre-cons that I can use elsewhere. But two, looking at the card list for the pre-cons, it's like it's almost like WotC is finally starting to understand synergies, the way that the players understand synergies. Because if you go back and you look at the old pre-cons, there was shit in those that didn't make sense to be in them. But now you look at them and it's like they actually have people that are like you know what works is when you put cards together that do the same thing I think there's a word for it, yeah and it's like they're they're starting to like pay attention to how the players are playing the game and so like I think I'm going to have to spring in by all four of these damn pre-cons.
Speaker 4:I really don't want to, but I do want to. You know, so I don't know, man. I do want to. You know, so I don't know, man. It's gonna be interesting. I think it's gonna be a fun set, for sure yeah, like I said, man, I don't even blame you.
Speaker 1:Like I'm definitely getting at least two of them the trash pan and the squirrel, definitely, uh, I might have to warm up to, uh, the rabbit and the bird, but uh, yeah, like I totally don't blame you. Hold on, let me talk about three more. Well, four more Cards on my hit list and then I'm done with that list and we need to wrap up anyways. Kenai Curator Excuse me, curator, my bad, I'm kind of tripping on my own words. Now. Two green mana uh, comes in with three, three, as long as there are four more cards, ties them on cards exile with king. I have curator, it gets four, four and has trample.
Speaker 1:Now that's kind of nice, but the excuse me, the mana ability is what interests me more. It's like just pay one mana, and it's not a tap ability either. So you just pop this off as much as you want. You pay one mana, any color, to exile a target card from any graveyard.
Speaker 1:So I'm like, okay, so what if I have like a whole bunch of treasure tokens out on the field and then I'm just get rid of all of them? So I can like, okay, so what if I have like a whole bunch of treasure tokens out on the field and then I'm just get rid of all of them so I can make sure I can, like, exile your entire graveyard. And if you have creature cards in there, then the hazel's um groove master can get all the activated abilities for all my creatures if I have Ygr on the field. So yeah, once again, I love how Bloom Burrow has so much synergy, and especially the colors corresponding, so that way it's like not that hard to build a combo around these cards. So that's one thing Valley Rockcaller, one mana of any color and a black One, three with menace. When Valley Rockcaller attacks, each opponent loses X life and you gain X life where X is the number of other squirrels, bats, lizards and rats you control. So that's.
Speaker 1:Masked with Nexus on the field. Yep, alright, two more. Oh, oh, I love this guy. Hugs, uh, hugs the grizzly guardian. So he's uh coming with a cost of a variable cost, two red and two green. He's a creature with five, five and trample. When he enters, you, exile the top x cards of your library and until end of your next turn you may play those cards and you also may play additional land on each of your turns. So that's the main value for me, because you know I have cards where I play additional lands, like I was saying earlier with gilp or ori. So that works for me, especially if I have enough mana to play those cards that I exile.
Speaker 1:Uh, last card, uh, this one's gonna be kind of wordy, but it's an enchantment called innkeeper's talent. So it's one of those things, like you know, like a druid class or you know, those cards where there's levels to them. Level 1 is at the beginning of combat of your turn. By the way, you get all three of these spells on levels, as long as you pay the right mana for them. For the ladies and gentlemen listening Level 1, at the beginning of combat on your turn, put a 1-1 counter on target creature control. Level 2, you pay 1-1 counter on target creature control. Uh, level two, you pay one green. Uh, permanents you control, with counters on them, have ward one, which means, uh, your opponents, they have to pay one mana to target your creatures other well, your permanents, excuse me, so that means lands, enchantments, artifacts, all that, all your, your shit that's on the battlefield has ward 1. So either you pay 1 or your spell's getting counted. How's it feel, blueberry?
Speaker 2:players.
Speaker 1:Level 3. Now this is where it gets really interesting. You pay 3 of any color and a green mana. Really interesting you pay three of any color and a green mana. If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player. Instead. I read that as not exactly like boring collect but more like a semi pseudo doubling season to where you're not only putting like any counters, like you know. Going back to where I was talking about riding my viper so that includes him to where if you put a blight counter on riding my viper, you put twice that many.
Speaker 1:Same thing with the poison counters we were talking about with blood rule apothecary, to where oh, so if uh, but no, not for you, you don't get the poison couch, but that's what I'm talking about to where it's like any counters. So that's pretty interesting for one enchantment right there. So, and that's a two drop enchantment. By the way, ladies and gentlemen, I know the uh mana uh cost in level 2 and level 3 kind of makes up for it, but if you already got the mana base for it. So you have to pretty much make a minimum of 2, 3, 7 mana. If you have 7 mana, 3 of them have to be green. You pretty much got a pretty strong enchantment on the field.
Speaker 2:That's true, that's true, that is true.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that's my hit list so far Probably going to be spending like $102. $120. Trying to get them, but they're probably not going to be that much worth. Some of them, like their Grotten, rotten mouth, viper and some of these other cards, that's like mythic level. I'm like yeah, I wouldn't be surprised that I'm paying at least 20 each for some of these cards. But, um, looking at looking at.
Speaker 4:Looking at some of the pre-release prices, you know, rotten Mouth Viper doesn't look like it's too bad right now if you get just a standard version. It looks like a standard version is about $3, $4. But I mean, you know where you start running into. The problem is if you want pre-vers the card, because sometimes it's not that bad, sometimes it is the rock mouth viper borderless 850. So I mean, but I do know, um, lumera. On the other hand, lumera is, uh, not well, once it all depends on you know what you're willing to spend on a card If you want to spend the money on a card because you know, let's be honest, some people they like the pretty versions I'm, I'm. Some people I like the pretty versions of cards. I can't lie. If I can pull a normal version until I get a pretty version, I'm okay with it. But nine times out of ten I'd rather have the pretty version. But you know you're looking at the normal version of Lumera is $12.99. Then you've got the alt art version going for $21. And then the borderless. There's two versions of the borderless. There's one that has a green border on it and that's $24.99. But then the pricey one she's got like a nice gold border around her. She's going for about $150. So you know they get you like that man, because what they do is they take a couple of their powerhouse cards, kind of like back in Kamigawa when they did that damn Oni card where they had like nine different versions of the damn thing and they were all different prices. But like they'll do that, they'll catch that one card where they're like, yeah, this one's gonna be a banger, we're gonna milk them for this and they're gonna, they're gonna do that and uh. So yeah, uh, you know, just depends on what you want.
Speaker 4:Like I like Ren, the damn Demir rat. I think he's a cool car, oh man, that motherfucker. But his damn, his alt art man. I don't want to say that I would do this Because his alt art is only a foil, apparently, and it's $60. By God I might do it Because that's a cute fucking card, because it's got that, it's that nice animated art style. He looks like a badass little rat rogue with thorny armor on. I hope that after pre-release his price drops, because I really don't want to say that I bought a rat for $60 but I might be buying a rat for $60. So we'll see. We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1:I feel that. But hey, hey, sometimes this game is like a investment in and of itself. So, um, hopefully it doesn't lose value but perhaps gain value over time, to where maybe you want to retire from the game. You know, and you know, I have my feel like it's not like I'm gonna play anybody anymore, like everybody else got their own shit to do, so I might as well go ahead and sell my cars and well, well, you know, I made more money than I spent making with these cars. So, okay, yeah, that's always, that's always a pleasant surprise.
Speaker 4:You know, when you um, I got on the flip side of that, though, I got a buddy the buddy that doesn't like the cutesy animal style. He was over here the other night talking to me and he said man, look, he said I'm really pissed off and I said why? He said I had a copy of back. When the lord of the ring set came out, he said I got the one ring and he said and I sold it to my buddy for about 15 and he said that motherfucking card. He said that motherfucking card is going for 200 now and I'm so, oh yeah, I just read about that earlier too.
Speaker 1:I was like wait the one ring's going for how much yeah, dude, it's, it's.
Speaker 4:It's going in every deck, bro, every deck. So I don't know, I don't know it's. I know it's a good card man, but I got a problem with cards that add extra mechanics that I don't really want to damn mess with, and the one ring is one of those cards.
Speaker 1:So I just I don't I don't feel it I feel happy for all fucking post malone's where he got that one one of the kind one ring for like 2.6 million dollars and I'm like that, just go to show that. Uh, if you get that one car like you're set for life well, at least for like a normal person.
Speaker 1:You know like, uh, if you're like already rich, I'm like okay, well, I don't think 2.6 million will mean too much to a billionaire. But if you're like an average dude, like with an average job, and you come across that one of a kind, one ring for 2.6 million, I'm like, bro, that changes fucking everything. It, bro, that one card is worth like five black lotuses At least five.
Speaker 4:Speaking of that one card, did you see this dumb shit? There was an article all over social media I think it was like two days ago. You know how we spoke on this about how GameStop is trying to stick their nose into the TCG market. Yeah, did you see where GameStop valued Post to stick their nose into the TCG market? Yeah, did you see where GameStop valued Post Malone's One Ring at $3?
Speaker 1:No, that reminds me of that. Fucking. What was it? Pawn Store that one show where all I? Bet I can do is $3.
Speaker 3:I'm like man, what the fuck, Get the hell out of here.
Speaker 4:I said look man, look, y'all are doing too much, man, y'all need to stop. Y'all need to just stay in your lane. Stop trying to dip into all the other things to save the business. I think it's time for GameStop to sail on into the sunset peacefully, man, but they're struggling hard to stay relevant.
Speaker 1:I mean it's bad enough to where they're. They're struggling hard to stay relevant. I mean it's bad enough to where, like, they're trying. Well, not only were they trying to introduce that part, but they were talking about, like, oh well, we're gonna get rid of, um, fucking uh, the dvd. Well, I don't think that works well, no, they kind of work. But then they were like, nah, we're gonna do it, we're not doing that anymore.
Speaker 1:And, um, they were trying to get rid of some other things where I'm like, okay, uh, why are you doing this? Like that doesn't make any sense for you. But then again it's like gamestop, this field is hemorrhaging at this point. It's like, for some reason, I keep thinking I thought gamestop was supposed to go under a while ago, um, back in like 2020. Um, but shit, I guess they're still up and running. But, um, then we were having talks about how, at this rate, game is going digital. So it's really getting to a point where, um, they're gonna end up stop um, making like hard copies of uh games. Because, honestly, I was like looking into it and I read into it, where I don't know how true this is, but maybe y'all can correct me. But essentially, when you buy a physical copy of a game. Yes, you own the physical copy of the game, but you don't own the license to the game.
Speaker 1:So it's like in other words, you just have like a hard copy of a uh, of something that can let you play the game.
Speaker 4:But if, let's say, they decide to discontinue the service or whatnot, then you just pretty much have a paperweight around the house yeah, bro, you, you spend, and I'm I'm a sucker for it because I like physical media, because you know, I'm a little bit older. I'm not, I'm not really old, but I'm not. That's why I just dropped from my ps5.
Speaker 1:I'm like, hey man, I might still want a physical copy anyways, but I don't mind digital either.
Speaker 4:It really depends on the game yeah, but I mean, like, essentially you're paying 70 for a fucking permission slip, bro, that's what you're doing. Pretty much that's all it is that I can wholeheartedly agree with.
Speaker 3:No offense to nobody out here. I know folks are going to probably be like, ooh, this man just said what the hell he said. You're absolutely right. What the fuck I am about to tell you it's just better to wait and let games get old and get the fucking wrong. I'm going to say it again because I don't care, nintendo, come at me, bro, but it's just better to wait and get the fucking ROMs. Why? Because, then guess what? You can play the motherfuckers how you want to play, play locally. Folks don't understand that concept. Ooh, ooh. Why are people so upset about games where they are? Because so many people, so many About games where they are? Because so many people, so many game developers out here Are trying to literally pack so much Into the Cross platform or the cross play or the World wide web, if you will, that you're not putting the time and the effort into a game. That's why a lot of indie games are getting more hype than AAA games.
Speaker 1:Can I mention how I just saw a headline saying that Baldur's Gate 3 still has 100 million players concurrently. That game came out one or two years ago. It still has players, for good reason.
Speaker 3:It's a great game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3:Here's a little tidbit. I'm going to keep it over here. Here's a little tidbit on Wizards of the Coast and Konami, because y'all two are the major players when it comes to quote-unquote PCG here in the States. Because one, I'm not going to count. Pokemon. Pokemon at least does, right, y'all know y'all getting relatively old and stale, right? I'm hitting it why? Because literally your player base has said hey, the prizes are back. They crashed for what you wanted to come to and pay for, like legit Whistle the coach. I'm going to hit it, your ass. They trash for what you want us to come to and pay for, like legit Whistle to the coach. I'm going to hit your ass Because y'all keep hitting in my pockets. You want so many people To play your game Yet and still You're asking for rent money.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we at $2,000, $3,000 For a damn deck.
Speaker 1:Mmhmm, we at $2,000, $3,000 For a damn deck Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:We at $2,000 For a deck. Okay, I understand. At least your prizes have not dropped in value. I give you that. Konami, I'm looking at your ass as I say these words, because Yu-Gi-Oh used to be Rolling in big buckety bucks but now folks don't care. Folks are relatively not wanting to participate and do this shit because, legitimately, the prizing is not worth the effort. You're literally spending $500, $600 in Yu-Gi-Oh and I'm a major Yu-Gi-Oh player, but you're spending $500, $600 in Yu-Gi-Oh, but what are you getting back for it? Barely nothing. A prize card that you can't even play in regular tournaments at all. You can't play it ever. It's just going to sit there and look pretty until they decide maybe, just maybe, we want to bring this out, so we'll ride it and we'll nerf it completely and give it some random aspect that doesn't make any fucking sense, and now it's relatively worthless. Yep, oh yeah, fuck that Video game community. I say it wholeheartedly and wizards, I'm back at your ass.
Speaker 1:Please, for the love of you, add fucking commander to arena yeah, and also can I can I jump on wizard of the coast as about something where, okay, they're not gonna make changes to where, from now on, uh, before and after, uh, the combat phase it's gonna be main phase one and main phase two, but that makes commanders well, commander creatures like naheb useless do not like a lot of people revolted, did you see they actually?
Speaker 4:they actually went back and they were like okay, so we're not gonna errata all the old cards that have that verbiage on it. We're gonna allow it to stay, but, moving forward, we will not use that verbiage I thought too.
Speaker 1:But bro, people got so mad bro heated.
Speaker 4:People were fucking heated. They were like nah, you're not gonna do that, you're not. And like people were yes. So then they finally came to. They were like okay.
Speaker 3:Legit, I can't fault them. Okay, cause, alright, if you're gonna go the same route that you, gio did, which no offense. If you had went that route earlier, I would have understood. And what I mean by earlier, when the game Relatively the game, I ain't gonna say the game was still young, but you could have been in this middle stage Like, yeah, then I can see you doing that. But when you're saying, all right, now we got a main phase one and a main phase two and each of the main phases basically over here, if you have the card text forward, you can go into two battle phases back to back, what the fuck? You basically killed some of your cards. You killed some decks completely.
Speaker 4:It's almost like you know earlier when I was saying that they're starting to understand synergies.
Speaker 4:It's almost kind of like a trade-off, because it feels like they're starting to understand synergies when they build pre-cons and stuff but then it's like, when they're moving forward and they're making these new cards, they think that they're trying, they think that what they're doing is making it a more streamlined, more fun process, but it's like, no, what you're forgetting is is there's decades of of rules and shit that that players have built decks around, and now you're you're taking away these like fundamental things, like, like you said, when you, when they were trying to change that verbiage, it completely shut off entire decks and it's like you know, it's. It's one thing when, like, there's a mechanic built into a game where it's like, oh, you know well, uh, my deck revolves around blinking creatures, so if you take away my ability to blink, you have shut my deck off. But that's not a rule change. That's you making a strategy to actively combat my deck strategy. That's just called good game.
Speaker 4:What, what, what. What c is doing is they're just trying to kneecap everybody. Combat my tech strategy. That's just called good game. What Watsi is doing is they're just trying to kneecap everybody, and I don't know why they would do that, because it's almost like they forget without us, they don't have people to buy their product.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying that they should pamper us and and cater to our every whim and give us everything that we want, because then the game turns to bullshit. But, like when they start trying to change fundamental things, like that, you're, you're, you're gonna turn more people away than you bring in because, like there's, there's times where you read a card and you're like, oh, this works this way, and then somebody goes well, no, actually you know rule change.
Speaker 1:And they're like, oh well, that's funny so like creative tunnel vision to where they've been running. This is where I honestly say that a lot of long running franchises, this is where they get. They scare me sometimes, like the MCU, for instance to where they get. Uh, they scare me sometimes, like the mcu, for instance, where they get so far ahead with all these different shits that they have laid out and all that and then somewhere along the line they introduce some new shit that contradicts some old shit that they already did. So I'm like bro did like, did y'all like pay attention to some of the shit? That's like if you write, if you're writing a book, and then you get to like the uh to a certain chapter and then a character does something that contradicts the action that they did in the last chapter, and I'm like bro, as a writer, I'm like I'm gonna ask the writer did you like forget what you wrote in the last chapter?
Speaker 4:Bro. Oh my God, it's so funny. You say that because one of the best animes. I don't care what anybody says, come at me, I'll fucking fight you over this. One of the best animes in the world Dragon Ball Z, Akira.
Speaker 2:Toriyama.
Speaker 4:Akira Toriyama literally did that shit for so long he would forget the shit that he wrote and then people would ask him questions and he would be like did I do that? I did, oh, that's interesting, I don't remember, and then keep fucking going.
Speaker 1:it's like that's, that's that's pretty much how it is to where I'm like, yeah, with wizard of the coast, it just kind of feels like you've been put out so many different cards and shit. You're going in all these different directions to a point where you're kind of forgetting about some of the cards where, like the old, that's kind of the problem with a lot of franchises, where they're so focused on the new generation that they're alienating the old generation, and the old generation is what's making you your money.
Speaker 4:Yeah, those are the people that don't care. Well, not, I don't want to say they don't care, but like.
Speaker 4:Those are the people that understand, those are the people that were there for ground zero of your success yeah, I'll give you a, I'll give you a um, an example and, like you know, once again calling myself out for my friends and stuff. But but like there's this guy that I was talking to you guys you might have seen his post that he did online but he had this like completely decked out rat deck right, the play mat, the detour, he had all the dice, he had the, the deck box, he had the whole nine right. So then I was like I slid in there and I was like yo, you got some, you got some pretty nice shit right there. I was like, but what you don't have are these badass rat tokens. And he was like I want them. And he was like how many, how many different designs do you have? And I was like I got four rats total. He was like I want all four.
Speaker 4:And then I was like, okay, cool. And then he was like, hey, I'm gonna have to talk to you later. I live in germany and it's really late over here. We'll pick this conversation up. And right there I was like dude, look, I was like I don't know if this is gonna make a difference or not. Go ahead and tell you. I said I'm in the states. You're in germany. I was like I will make these tokens for you. You need to understand we're shipping overseas here. That's gonna get expensive. My man came back and said I've been playing magic since 1994.
Speaker 4:The price doesn't bother me, I want what I want I said yo, I feel you, man, I'm gonna get on that. I'll hit you up when I have them ready. But like, those are the people that when they start doing these dumb shits, we're like, oh no, we're gonna change the combat phases. Those are the people that it's gonna affect, because my man just looked at me and said I don't care what you want to charge me and I don't care how much it costs me to get it. I want it because it goes with the game that I love. When you start fucking with those People, those are your whales. Those are the people that when they stop investing, they're gonna start hurting. So they need to be careful and they need to tread lightly, because if they fuck around too much, they're gonna alienate half of their player base and then YC's gonna be stuck With their damn hands out With nothing in them. You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like just imagine, like oh, I hate to say this, but sometimes when movies and tv shows come out and people is like one, worried about the um, diversity, equality and inclusion in that project, and then, while some people might not like the direction of where this is going, blah, blah, blah. What I just find funny is the part where sometimes the people that I was crying for on DEI didn't even bother to watch it. So essentially, you are trying to pander to people who probably not going to have a deep appreciation for what you did in the first place. More like you're appealing to an audience that don't really care for you, while alienating the audience that's been with you since day one. That's a weird move for me yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 4:I think that's a bad move on any franchise's behalf or any any anything's behalf, because, like there's you, you shouldn't, you should not and this probably gonna sound really bad when I say this but you should not try to pander to any group of people for the sake of pandering, because then, one, it's apparent that you're pandering, but two, your actions are hollow and it's like it's really bad when it's very noticeable that you're yeah yeah, like that.
Speaker 4:At that point people are gonna realize they don't give a fuck about the real reason to do something like this. They're doing it because they don't want to be looked at in a certain way, because they're worried about their bottom line. That's not the way to do it.
Speaker 1:See, if you're trying to do wish fulfillment because it's trending, it just comes off like disingenuous.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1:It sounds like you don't really care for on the people that you're pandering to. It's more like you're just assuming that, oh well, if we just give them what they think they want, they'll just buy the money. That's like once again like you hype up this movie and you, um, make it sound like, oh, it's gonna be the movie just for you, and then they go watch the movie and you find out, oh well, the movie turned out to be shit and I was like, oh well, nothing we can do about.
Speaker 4:We got your money, no refunds yeah, exactly like I don't know man it's. It's a slippery slope and it's a tricky thing to do.
Speaker 1:I'm really glad that I don't have to worry about any of that, but it's one of those things where, like I'm so glad that when I'm talking about movies, I went to see Deadpool and Wolverine and that's a movie that's worth going to the theaters, not gonna lie.
Speaker 4:See, see, we, uh, my wife and I were talking about it and we wanted to go tonight, but we, one, we didn't have childcare for tonight, uh, but two, we, we also wanted, uh, we're, we're going to a convention tomorrow.
Speaker 4:So tomorrow I get to meet matthew lillard and sam whitmore and john berenthal, I get to meet a couple of celebrities that I, you know, love and grew up watching and whatnot. So we kind of weighed the odds. They are not not necessarily the odds, but we kind of just weighed both situations and we're like do we want to go to the movies and like, try to find child care and then have the evening be rushed, or do we just want to put that on the back burner for now and go to this convention where you know what I mean? Get pictures, dude. Oh, I am such a damn mark for Matthew Lillard. I love everything I have ever seen this man in. And then when I was a teenager and he got cast in Shaggy and Scooby--doo, I was like man, I cannot think of a better person to play this character and I love scooby-doo, not gonna lie it was.
Speaker 4:I love scooby-doo so much so when that happened I was like hell yeah. And then we found out he was coming to this convention and I looked at my wife and I said, hey, look, we gotta do this right. She was like I'm asking him to sign the baby. I don't know what you're doing. I'm gonna ask him to sign the baby. I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask him to sound the baby.
Speaker 4:I was like I don't know if he'll do that, but I mean we can try.
Speaker 1:A lot of people know Matthew Little as Shaggy from Scooby-Doo, but some folks know him from Scream as Ghostface. And then I like how he came back into acting. Well, I don't know if he's gone from acting, but I haven't seen him in a while in a movie, and he came on on Friday nights at Freddy's. I like the coincidence how in Scream he had this one line where it's like I'll be back and then he goes into Friday night at Freddy's and then he says I always come back. I'm like hold on was that a?
Speaker 4:wink. Yeah, right, right, yeah, dude. Uh, I mean, the first thing I ever saw him in was senseless and yes, from there, dude, I was like this dude, he's funny as hell. And then, you know, I saw him in Scream and Dead Man's Curve and Without a Paddle.
Speaker 2:All these other movies.
Speaker 4:You know, and like I, just I love him as an actor and then Jon Bernthal as the Punisher. Oh man, and damn it's, I don't know. Anyway, I'm going to see Deadpool, wolverine. So no spoilers, man. Y'all don't tell me nothing anywhere. I don't want to hear any of it. I know it's good. I keep hearing it's really good.
Speaker 1:I'm going to see it, but I had to jump on the chance because I don't know if these celebrities are going to come back around me anytime soon. I'm like, man, listen, listen. I can't wait until we review Deadpool, wolverine. That's all I'm going to tell you. I'm like, oh, it was so good. I'm like, dare I say, it might be the best movie of the year so far.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 4:I hope it is. I hope it is because I know I hate it because I listen to these uh other podcasts, these gaming podcasts, and it's real funny when you listen to like a gaming podcast or something, because, like you can tell when there's people that are fans of one form of entertainment but not another, right. And so then, like I was listening to this gaming podcast earlier and they were talking about movies that were coming out this year and they mentioned deadpool, wolverine. And now, granted, this was an episode, this was, uh, their episode like two or three weeks ago I'm a little behind because I was listening to some books or whatever but they, they mentioned deadpool, wolverine and they were like who wants to go see it, ricketts? And I was like god, almighty, really. And then they just started like they were like yeah, I don't know, it just seems like it's gonna be this movie, and they just started like bashing on it and I was like you guys, like listen, like they.
Speaker 1:They don't understand that like I put it to y'all like this, once again, spoiler free, but let's just say that it it's like up there with like what one of my buddies says. It's like up there with Spider-Man, no Way Home to where, yes, it's a fan service movie, but it's like the kind of fan service where it doesn't feel too gratuit, but it's like the kind of fan service where it doesn't feel too gratuitous. It's almost like okay, there was some things I was kind of expecting, and then there was some things where it was like a complete swerve. I'm like whoa, I did not see this coming.
Speaker 4:What I'm most excited about for this movie is the cameos.
Speaker 1:Because the cameos is the best. Wait, oh, hey.
Speaker 4:Don't give me nothing.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, I know I'm not going to say anything, but, bro, the cameos knock me the fuck out.
Speaker 4:See, I know about some of them, but obviously I don't know about all of them Because I mean, you know, being on social media there's only so much you can avoid. Even if you don't Really read articles, you kind of catch, like you see the pictures and shit like that.
Speaker 1:So I know some of the NBS but I just like you can't even like A post about Deadpool and Wolverine, because that would fuck up the Algorithm to a point where somebody might yeah, you might end up being spoiled just because you like the post and I'm like oh dude, that shit happened to me the other day.
Speaker 4:I watched one video about like some dude, what was it?
Speaker 4:I watched a video about like a guy unboxing some toy because, like my son was sitting beside me and I was on my phone and I was scrolling through YouTube looking for something, because I was, I was looking for a tutorial for painting, because I was like I wonder how I could do this and make it look good.
Speaker 4:Right, because you know, still learning obviously you never stop learning but I scroll past and there was this damn thumbnail of somebody unboxing the toy. My son wanted to watch it. So I went back and watched it and I closed youtube out and opened it back up 10 minutes later and, bro, my whole feed was that fucking toy and I was like I do not care about this fucking toy, I don't want to see it again, I just want it off of my algorithm. So I like just started searching like magic the gathering ain't tutorial, just searching all this other stuff, just so I auto correct my damn algorithm. So I like just started searching like magic the gathering ain't tutorial, just searching all this other stuff, just so I auto correct my damn algorithm.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, it's, it's treacherous man, it's getting kind of scary, to a point where sometimes I'll just be thinking about something next thing. You know, scrolling through my timeline, what the fuck I wasn't. I didn't even say it out loud, I was thinking it and somehow what I was looking for showed up as an ad. I'm like, oh hell, no, definitely something in the water bro, bro, my wife and I were talking one night.
Speaker 4:we said something about going to a trampoline park. Next thing I know I opened facebook sky zone trampoline park. I was like nah, mm-mm, nope, started turning microphones off on this bitch.
Speaker 1:Yep, you might as well just turn your phone off or leave it in the room, in another room, where it's like oh well, you know what Technology's getting so smart, you know, with smart TVs and Alexa and whatnot, you can't, you're not even safe if you have Alexa around the house. It's like, um, you say, if you have a lex around the house is like um, you hear that they say that uh, alexa, uh, alexa, fucking, he hears and records everything, supposedly. So I'm like, um, uh, I was telling my mom the other um not too long ago, where she was like thinking about getting a look like, uh, nope, I don't trust that, I don't trust that I don't trust that.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's not like we're doing anything suspicious, but still, though, I just don't like the. It just feels like an invasion of my privacy. I just don't like the. Having that thought in the back of my head is like wondering am I being listened to? Like is my room bugged right now? Like is the government hearing everything I'm saying right now?
Speaker 4:no, I agree, man, it's, it's uh, it's not a fun feeling. We have an alexa and half the time I'm damn, I'll say something and then I stop and I look to see if the damn rings lit up on it. Then I feel you completely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you, you literally have to be careful what you say, because then next thing you know you're just saying something like oh, and then next thing you know, alexa answers your question. I'm like I wasn't talking to you, alexa, and then Alexa's like well damn.
Speaker 4:Absolutely the best thing I like doing with my Alexa is I've got the app on my phone so I can just mess with my wife because she works from home. App on my phone so I can just like I'll mess with my wife because she works from home, so I'll be, I'll be out at work and I'll just uh, type a message up and have Alexa read it out loud at the house. I'll always say, just like some stupid stuff or I'll, like you can, you can type in like a fart sound and it'll just make like a sound through the Alexa speaker. So I'll just do that at random and my wife would be like really, chris, are you serious? What can you say? What is it?
Speaker 1:oh, man, you know what? Um, we're kind of running over on our time, like we were just getting so lost in the sauce. Man, um, you know what? Uh, y'all got anything y'all want to add on to the bloomboro subject. Before we close out this, I don't think so.
Speaker 4:I think it's just another good set. I think it's a set that's going to have some powerful cards, some good reprints in it. I think that it's definitely going to be a fun set to play. Once the cards circulate and become more available, I think it'll be a lot more fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I said earlier, it feels like with Magic. It's like an investment to where you buy it now. It might not be much value now, but like some cards just rising in price later on, like some of the cars in, uh, modern horizons 3s where uh, yeah, they were like kind of up there. Well, it's like kind of like mid-tier, you know, like, uh, maybe like 20 or so, and then next, you know, it just raises up to like 50 or 100 and I'm like, yeah, so that's why, uh, even if it's not worth much right now, like don't be surprised if another set comes out to a point where, oh, it just made that car have way more value than you thought it would have.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, sometimes a good car is a good car, yeah, especially when, once he does what he should do and they see a good card is a good card. Yeah, especially when, once he does what he should do and they see a good card and they decide to build on it and give it synergistic cards, then you have more valuable cards coming out like that. It'll be interesting to see. I think there's going to be some valuable pieces in this set, for sure.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, talos, you got anything you want to add on before we close this out.
Speaker 3:No, no, bro, Y'all good Gotcha.
Speaker 1:Alright, with that being said, like I said, we were kind of running over our time. I got to get to work in the morning and we got other things to do tomorrow, so let me just go ahead and get some rest. So, with that being said, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for listening to us Ranting Ramble to the end. You already know the drill. Follow us on social media. Follow Tattoo Enigma, as he is selling his 3D printed objects, and check out something crafty print on Etsy To, where you can purchase some of the 3d printed objects that he can make, like the deck boxes, the tokens and whatnot. I'm definitely going to be working on making dice and other things, but I will keep y'all posted on updates on social media, mainly facebook. Um other than that, you know what? You stay nerdy. Remember that great things are coming and we're gonna go ahead and zone out here, so have yourself a good morning, a good afternoon and a good night.
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