Conquering Blue with Jund Fury: Strategies and Tales from the Magic the Gathering Tables

Ever wondered how a Jund deck could possibly overthrow the mightiest blue decks out there? Strap in for a magical ride as JetBlackXtreme andTalosGundam banter through the complex world of Magic the Gathering deck building and strategies with new cast mate, Tattooed Enigma! We dissect our unique approaches – from the secrets of J.B.'s "Wakanda Forever" deck's infinite combos to Talos' color preferences and the inevitable chuckles we share over the challenges of facing off against blue players and their "group hug" antics.

Rewind to where the spells began, in a casual coffee shop setting that brewed my introduction to Commander format. The enchantment of summoning creatures without limits and the importance of card semantics in strategic play were like a siren's call. We reflect on the evolution from pre-constructed decks to seeking out specific singles, and the shared passion for the spontaneity and creativity that Commander play brings to the table. Expect tales of adrenaline-pumping combos, the tactical use of cards like Tireless Provisioner and Kodama's of the East Tree, and a hot take on the proxy card debate.

But it's not all spells and strategy. We also cast our eyes over the social dynamics within the Magic community, from table-top battles to the ebb and flow of collectible card pricing. Plus, a nod to our nerdy delights, from Matthew Lillard's Quest Inn whiskey to the joy of D&D campaigns and superhero-themed gaming. So grab your deck and your headphones, because this episode is stacked with strategy, stories, and a dash of whimsy that's sure to enchant every MTG player out there!

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

what's good, nerds? It's jet black extreme and we are back at again with another episode of the zone podcast. Today we are going to finally talk about magic the gathering. We're just going to have a pretty much a back-to-back with talos gundam here, our mecha manager. We might have some people jumping on later, but if not, oh well, but the show must go on. So, without further ado, let's go ahead and zone in on it. Now. Tell us I got a couple of questions. Well, like no more than 20 questions, but we'll see how you feel all right shoot, bro, all right.

Speaker 1: 0:36

So, first and foremost, I am a blue.

Speaker 2: 0:51

I relatively will play every color, however, but my favorites are blue, green and black okay, I'm gonna say, oh, you're one of those players, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:09

As folks will call us. I play blue, green, black. Now, more so often, more than 9 times out of 10, I will play a green. I'll play a green, a green deck. So yeah, I'm the person that literally will run the elves Every now and again. Or you might just see a beast with trample, but you know, I mean it's it's, it's, it's just a little pretty beast, it's harmless I don't know, man, it will bite.

Speaker 1: 1:41

But no, for real, though, my favorite color is like I would say like it has to have at least a little green in it, like no matter. Most my decks have to have green, because I just love the way green just buff your creatures, buff your uh field and whatnot. But green alone is more like a supplementary, like I mean it's strong on its own but at the same time it's more supplementary. I mean it's strong on its own but at the same time it's more supplementary, like you said, with elves, where elves are normally green. So they'll be great for mana and whatnot. But if we talk about attack power, I gotta have some red and some black. So that's why I mainly run Jun with Lord Wing Grace, because that's my boy. See, the funny thing is, my friends call it the Wakanda Forever deck.

Speaker 1: 2:24

But I'm going to be honest with you, talos. I've been doing some edits. You know those people that say, oh, blue is God. I'm like, call me Kratos, because I'm about to end that shit. If you come in my neck of woods with that shit the Jun deck I'm going to be like, by the time I get my combos up, like Infinite Mana, infinite Life, infinite Cascade, all that other shit, infinite Landfall and a whole bunch of scary shit that I'm packing in this deck. I'm going to be like, by the time I say Domain Expansion, it's over for you.

Speaker 2: 2:57

I hear you, I hear you, I hear you.

Speaker 1: 3:00

But no, for real, though, I do run blue cards. I got a blue, I got Esper deck blue, black, white, and it's fairies. Alayla the Provecure, you know the one where it spawns like fairy creatures every time you cast.

Speaker 2: 3:16

Oh most definitely.

Speaker 1: 3:17

Yeah, you know that one. Okay, Like I got nothing against blue cards, it's just these blue players. I'm like I need to humble you real quick.

Speaker 2: 3:26

Because I'm like I need to humble you real quick, because I'm like you need to get the fuck out of here. Most of the time, for me, I play commander. I play commander a lot of times, mind you, but that's when I can play. So now, mind you, when I do play, I mean most blue players tend to just want to play, they just want to hug you, they like to give everybody stuff. But see, when they're giving everybody stuff, you know, then that's when it can, that's when it can really, really cost you. So I do understand the the animosity towards blue. Every now and again I understand it.

Speaker 1: 3:57

That's the thing, though. That's the thing, though. Like see, I can trust a green white player to be group hug, but if you're talking about blue player doing group hug, that's more like a group hug while they have a knife arm yes, I understand we commit tax evasion, but but don't everybody does.

Speaker 2: 4:20

and again, don't, don't, don't, don't hit on blue players too much.

Speaker 1: 4:25

Yes, I mean, like I said, I play blue, but I'm just saying I'm going to invite some of y'all to make my balls itch man, let's go Now. Have you ever attended a mtg tournament or event and if so, what's your experience like?

Speaker 2: 4:53

um, well, I have not ever attended a tournament, but I have attended some events at some of my locals. Um, I gotta say that first event, the first time I've ever attended one yeah, I was. I was like whoa. So this is how this goes, cause, mind you, I am a Yu-Gi-Oh player. I was coming from. I started Yu-Gi-Oh before I started Magic, so I knew what to do when it came to Yu-Gi-Oh.

Speaker 2: 5:26

But, being that this was magic and this was like hey, look, you know, we're just going to open up some sealed product and we're just going to make a deck from there. Huh, yeah, yeah. So don't worry, we're just going to make a deck from there. You get to keep the cards or whatever you paid for, you bought in, but we're gonna open from sealed product and, uh, just make a deck out of that and go from there and we'll see who wins what. Like, yeah, it was, it was wild and I was Like I enjoyed it. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it. It was just like, yeah, that was something that I wish I had some other people gotcha to. You know, tell me first before I just got into that gotcha.

Speaker 1: 6:14

Now see, my thing is I'm like the same as you to where I want to say I was collecting Pokemon cards, but I wasn't really playing Pokemon cards, uh, but I did when I was playing yugioh, like for real. I did go to one event and, honestly, I got cursed on. I'm gonna be real, I got fucking demolished. That humbled the shit out of me to where I need to, um, build my debt better. But by the time I got to magic, I'm like, okay, I played casually with friends, but it was like I didn't go to an event. But, honestly, not even like have too much of ego. I feel like if I build decks well enough, I could go to an event, but I'm not all that interested.

Speaker 2: 7:01

Oh, okay, I hear you. I can understand that. I've played with people who are relatively like yeah, they're great deck builders, but they're not so much interested as far as events go. They're just more so in like, hey, I'll just buy it and collect my own stuff, you know? So yeah, Gotcha.

Speaker 1: 7:23

Alright, alright. Okay, what's the most memorable game of MTG that? So, yeah, gotcha, alright, alright. And uh, okay, what's the most memorable game of MTG that you ever played, and why? Now I'll go ahead and start and say it was the first time that I built this homebrew Goblin Debt, because I had a shitload of goblins. For some reason I was like you know what, fuck it, Let me just slap together Goblin Debt to see if it works. And I had crinkle mob boss. Now, when I first played this deck, I did not know it's going to be as effective as it was like to, where I was just spitting out tokens, where on average, I could spit out like 60 to 80 goblins, with also the um battle squadrons where you get it plus one, plus one depending on how many goblins you have in the field. So it was like a flying 60 to 80 power and toughness, along with crinko. Just keep spitting out tokens and I'll just. I'll never forget it. That's the main one for me. But what about you, Talos?

Speaker 2: 8:24

Okay. So for me it was my first game of Commander and at the time I didn't have a deck. So people who are playing with it, they were like, hey, I'm going to let you borrow a deck and everything. This was my first time ever playing like this, was my first time ever playing Like this, was my first time ever playing Like Magic at all, and, just so happens, I got green and you know, so we're playing, playing, playing and I kid you, not Literally I was like wait, this flow so different.

Speaker 2: 9:04

Like this, this, this, this flows so different. Like this, this, this, this flows so different. It's just like, yeah, you know you don't really have, you know you don't have a limit On how many other monsters you can summon. You know you just can't summon, you just can't attack the same turn With no summoning, sickness and all that. I was like, ah, okay, okay, and just like. I was like, wait, so I have this much and this much. Like I was like, ah, okay, I was like wait, so I have this much and this much. I was like, ugh, believe me, it was hellified because everybody was attacking everybody across the entire playing field and it was just so fun, it was dope.

Speaker 1: 9:40

Well, that pretty much knocked away it was dope Gotcha. Okay, that pretty much knocked away another question I had. I was going to ask you I'm going to go ahead and say it now how exactly did you get into playing Magic? I know you had your first Commander game, but what did it feel that drew you in?

Speaker 2: 10:09

The way that I got into it. Excuse me if you can hear background noise, but the way that I got into it was through. I was just sitting in a coffee shop. Honestly, I was sitting in a coffee shop and I saw a couple people sitting there and I was just like in the coffee shop. Honestly, I was sitting in the coffee shop and I saw a couple people sitting there and I was just like, oh shit, you know, hey, they, they have a couple of board games and stuff over here as well, you know. And they were sitting chilling and I was like yo, can I, you know, yo can I join y'all for sure. We need another player.

Speaker 2: 10:42

So we're sitting chilling playing some of the board games, and then they're like, hey, um, we're gonna play some magic, like you got any magic cards, like what the hell is magic, you know? And from there they explained it and they went and gave it, you know, and gave me, gave me some cards to play with. I was like, okay, so this is magic, all right, and that's how it started. So it was just like, yeah, from there it went downhill okay now, um, honestly, pretty much the same thing with me.

Speaker 1: 11:25

I was chilling with some friends and they was breaking out some magic cards. They're gonna play magic gathering. And I was like, well, I'll have a deck, so, um, they let me borrow one, uh, and then I got cursed up, obviously, but then again I really didn't know what the hell I was doing at the time, but that didn't really discourage me from trying to learn the game. So over the time I was building the decks and I was playing more. I mean, I lost plenty of times, but I was starting to catch on to some.

Speaker 1: 12:00

Now I can, like, figure out my play style and I say, when I say Magic the Gatherer, I tell my friends that this is a very political game. Where get used to the word semantics, because there are some heavy semantics in this game to where you're thinking, oh well, you're reading the card and it was supposed, oh, it's supposed to be on this effect, right? Oh, no, no, no, you gotta read it. To where it's like grammatically critical. To where, um, word for word, bar for bar, this means this. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 12:43

Yeah, it's very technical, like, yeah, like it's definitely like hey, look, uh, yeah, while there's a rule book for this, the main, the main focus of it is follow what the cards say, because the cards, when you know there, go by the ruling of the cards more so than the ruling of the rule book in itself. Rule book, yes, but cards overrule the rule book at the end of the day.

Speaker 1: 13:10

Honestly, the rule book feels like the code from Pirates of the Caribbean. The rule book is more like guidelines, more than actual rules.

Speaker 2: 13:19

Yes, it feels like the code from the Pirates of the Caribbean.

Speaker 1: 13:25

Man, yeah, okay. Do you prefer playing with a pre-constructed commander deck or building your own from scratch?

Speaker 2: 13:37

Oh, I can't. I say I relatively like both. You're wrong, I relatively like both. I have built one that I didn't really get a chance to play with much, but within the same premise of I was. I felt good with it, but in the same concept pre-constructed yeah, because then I can just add stuff to them or take stuff away to make them better.

Speaker 1: 14:11

Gotcha Now pre-constructed versus building my own. Now, when I got my decks, they were pre-constructed versus building my own. Now, when I got my decks they were pre-constructed, unfortunately, but obviously I had to tweak them a little bit just to make them more effective, more competitive. But then, obviously, when I had more and more extras, I got a little experimental. So I was like wondering whatever I could just uh, like I pretty much would be goblin day with just something thrown together. So, pretty much like you, I prefer both. But uh, personally, at this point I have so many pre-constructed decks that I uh evolved, uh, quote, unquote. Yeah, I'm not trying to buy pre-constructed decks anymore. It's more like buying single just to power up some decks, or I will just build my own based on some of the extra that I already got. So it's like I got plenty, unless I'm doing like a um booster box drop party.

Speaker 1: 15:15

You know one of those things where you buy some booster box as soon as they fresh out on the market and then you go with some friends you open up the the packs Kind of like draft, but not really. It's more like aid. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to open all these boxes, see what I got. I'm going to keep some that I do want in. If there's any copies or whatnot I don't want, y'all can have those. So it'll be easy to just do that.

Speaker 1: 15:39

Yeah Now, okay, I know you were the main one that was doing this, so I shouldn't have to ask you have you tried playing Magic Gat Online or Arena? But what platform did you use those on and what's your experience online?

Speaker 2: 16:01

Okay. So I played MTG Arena on my computer, on PC. Now, as far as it goes with it on PC, it's great for a single play. However, here's a doubt. Here's the downsides to me. One, there's no commander. No commander for me.

Speaker 2: 16:30

Two, you relatively need to know people. You need to know people in order to relatively be like, okay, I can go and challenge this person, otherwise you're relatively just fighting the bot all the time. So it's like if you don't know anybody, then You're just Going to be doing the same things over and over again, unless they have an event and they're allowing you to do something. Because other than that, that's it. So, truthfully, those two things Are a major I don't want to say a major pet peeve for me, I don't say a major pet peeve for me.

Speaker 2: 17:07

They're, they're, they're, they're more so a major pet peeve, like if we could. Just I want to say, hey, do it how they did master duel, where you can go and in they have the servers are big enough to where you can find a random opponent to fight against and just play against that random opponent, same thing they do on pokemon. Hey, you know random opponent, and from there then also to make it where you have more formats that you can play online. You know, because some people like playing legacy formats, some Some people like doing more than just what is basically modern or standard.

Speaker 1: 17:53

Okay, I feel that. I feel that, well, delos, guess what? We got a guest coming on. I've been checking out his workout. He's been doing token counters for magic, the gathering. You know where you create tokens and uh, it'd be like goblins or whatnot, kind of like what I was explaining. But in this case he makes like miniatures 3d printed miniatures to where you can put, like, the dice in these little slots and essentially you can just treat those as the token counters so you can use those when you play magic gather. I've been kind of right with them, but let's go ahead and put them on now. Let's see, um, get them all all right. There he is. What's up. Uh, this is tattoo enigma. Uh, how you doing man doing all right.

Speaker 3: 18:48

How about yourself? I'm doing good you're doing good.

Speaker 1: 18:51

Uh, this is my friend talos gundam and, of course, jet blackest dream, or you can call me jb um for short, if that's more convenient for you. Uh, we will just get into some magic gathering questions, questions, but we were getting too deep. Just a few questions, if you don't mind. We'll just kind of circle back on Tellos. Go ahead For starters, tattoo what's your favorite color to play in Magic Gathering?

Speaker 3: 19:17

You know, initially it used to be Arachnids kid, but now I've kind of grown to like all of the colors man. So it really just depends on what food I'm in when I'm sitting down to play.

Speaker 1: 19:28

I feel that. I feel that Okay, and have you attended any Magic Gathering tournaments or events?

Speaker 3: 19:36

Every once in a while I will. Nothing too major, it's usually just things that go on in my local shop. I'll go up there for Commander Night every once in a while, but for the most part it's usually just me and my same group of buddies sitting around the kitchen table playing every Saturday night.

Speaker 1: 19:51

Yeah, same here. Like man, I miss going to games, where our friends usually link up to play games. But you know, adulthood life happens, so not so much nowadays. But we've been trying to do something like when we have the availability yeah, absolutely it's.

Speaker 3: 20:09

It's definitely rough because now, uh, you know, with my most recent addition to the family, all my other friends that I play with, all of us have kids and stuff, so it's become very hard to schedule anything.

Speaker 1: 20:21

That's, you know, pretty pretty much on the money, but we usually get together once a month at least and play yeah, I need to do that, like to tell them like, hey, just once a month just play magic gather, just for the hell of it yeah, that's true, man and um, by the way, uh, how did you first get into magic together? Now that we're on the topic, Ma'am.

Speaker 3: 20:41

so I'm 36, turning 37 this year, and back when I was 14, my older brother had a friend and they were hanging out one day at the house and they're about 19 years older than me and my brother, my brother's friend, his name was Jimmy. He said hey, man, have you heard of this game called Magic the Gathering? And I was like, nah, what is it? And so he sat down with me and he taught me the basics, and you know back then there weren't all these other formats Back then, it was just regular 64 format.

Speaker 3: 21:11

you know standard this is. You know how you play.

Speaker 3: 21:14

And he taught me how to play then and I loved it, man, I was hooked on it and, uh, I stopped playing for a while in my 20s. And then, uh, I met up with this guy named scott that I'm still friends with and he was like, hey, uh, do you, do you play magic? And I was like, yeah, you know, I used to. I haven't really played much. He's like, do you know anything about edh? And I was like no's that. And he showed me how it was played and it was game over from there. Man, like that was. That was like 10 years ago, I think, man, and ever since then it's just been EDH is the only thing that I've played. I don't play any other formats. I just I can't bring myself to do it, man, I just love the Singleton format. It's just where I stay. See, I love the singleton format.

Speaker 1: 22:00

It's just where I stay. See, that's crazy because that's similar to what I was just telling Talos here, to where the thing was. I was really playing Magic the Gatherer for, let's say, I first got into it to, say, 2010, but that was just my first game. But then I started building decks around 2013 when I was really getting into it, but of course, course, the old pod kind of split up so I didn't have no one to play with, so I gave away my cards. But then I met some new friends and they were saying like, oh, do y'all play magic? I'm like, hey, y'all play magic. Okay, hold on. Uh, yeah, let me build a deck. And I was like, um, we'll play. Uh, commander, like what's going on? Uh, edh, what's this? And then I was like pretty much the same thing to where I'm like we'll play.

Speaker 1: 22:41

Commander. I'm like hold on, hold on EDH, what's this? And then I was like pretty much the same thing, to where I'm like, okay, basically you just use one card except for lands, just one card or everything. And I was like, okay, I like that because it's more challenge to it, to where you have to really think about what's in the deck versus just putting in four of this really broken card. And I'm like, yeah, I mean that's alright, but it's like that's, it's not as fun to me. Like, commander, that's my, that's the only format in my personal opinion, like I don't care what any of the people say on on fucking Facebook or whatever. It's where I'm like, ew, commander.

Speaker 3: 23:19

I'm like, yeah, fuck, yeah, commander, yeah, absolutely man, because it's like it's real easy, whatever where I'm like ew, commander, I'm like yeah, fuck yeah, commander, yeah, absolutely man, because it's like it's real easy when you really think about it I love it it's real easy to look at a 60-card format and just be like oh okay, 60 cards, I'll just put four of this, four of this, four of this, and at that point you're just you're aiming at the same thing every time.

Speaker 3: 23:37

But when you have one of each card, it really brings more of a challenge to it, because it's like like yeah, you can put your tutors and stuff in which I do. But I mean, like you know, you have your tutors, but at the same time it's like well, I know my deck can pop off like this, but what if I fuck around and try something different? And then you just have like way more variation or opportunity for like crazy shit to pop off and like that's really why I like it, because it's like, yeah, I built this deck to do this, but then you stumble into something else and you're like shit, I didn't even think about that when I was building it, it just happened.

Speaker 1: 24:15

Yeah, like you just gotta love it when you just play Commander long enough to where you get better at coming up with combos where you have to use one of each card. So that's why I'll share my favorite combo right now that I've got going on to where, ever since this Doctor who set came out, they had a figure on the inside right, to where it's this enchantment, to where you put it on an artifact or a land and that enchanted artifact or land adds two colors of any color and the next spell you cast with that enchanted land or artifact gets cascaded. Now put that on Staff of Domination and you can tap and untap infinitely. You get infinite life. You get infinite draw.

Speaker 1: 25:00

You can have all your um enemies, all your opponents, creatures are tapped. You untap all your creatures and essentially every spell you catch from your hand or whatnot, from your debt, because you got infinite draw power. By the way, whatever you draw, whatever you have in your hand, you can just cascade off that shit like you can catch. Oh, and you have infinite mana, by the way. So either way, even if cascade don't work, you'll still have the infinite man to play whatever you got in your hand. So that's one thing that's my favorite right now because um two cards and it's very simple. Like once you get that one out, I'm pretty much good. And best part is it's like colorless for death of domination, and it's red and green for bigger on the inside. So I'm gonna really fuck with these blue players like saying yeah, no doubt

Speaker 3: 25:56

oh, absolutely, man, yeah, like, and that's, uh, one of the one of the decks that I've built recently. I call it live in levita joda. The reason I love that deck is because it's a legendary matter deck and you know it's the joda that has cascade basically, and so I mean that that deck is packed with so much stupid shit that, like when, when I sit down to play it, everybody kind of watches me and there's there's usually a sign that I'm about to go stupid and uh, it's, it's I can't remember, I can't remember the name of the damn card off the top of my head, but it's basically it's a green, uh instant where I play it and everybody can pay mana into it and however much mana is paid by the table, everybody searches for that many basic lands, right?

Speaker 1: 26:46

oh, okay, I know what you're talking about, but I forgot the name of it. But I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3: 26:50

Yeah, exactly so like I'll, I'll draw it or I'll have it in my hand and I'll look at everybody and I'm like, so does everybody want shit to get nutty or are? Are we just going to kind of pass on it? And everybody at the table immediately knows. When I ask the question, they're like, oh fuck, we about to get nutty. Okay, yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 3: 27:08

Let's do it, because then I have enough, like I play that, and I never get less than like seven mana. Because, like, everybody at that point is like, okay, okay, nobody taps shit until he plays the card. So it's like draw, pass, draw, pass, draw that all right, great, all right, what you got you doing, go play. And so when I play that, shit'll just start going off, because I mean, I have so many dumb legendary cards in that deck that, like it'll, it'll go from zero to 100 instantly, and so it's, it's just. It's just, it's an attestment to the, the fact that that format is, in my opinion, and I'm sure you'll, be far superior than any other format that they have right now gotcha, now see, that's the main thing is like see tattoo.

Speaker 1: 27:57

I have to learn to. Well, I already had it, already had this talent to an extent, but especially with magic, the gathering, I definitely had to make sure I came into the game with a mastered poker face, because it got to a point to where I got so scary between the combos I played to my playstyle and everything to a point where I get focused every time I come over to the pod where I'm like why are y'all focusing on me first? The threat is right there. Like two times this one player played his fucking Edgar Marcar bomb deck and I'm like, bro, every time y'all focus on me first, he sneaks up behind y'all and kill the rest of y'all focus on him first.

Speaker 3: 28:44

Damn, absolutely, absolutely. And you see, it's like the story I told you the other day when I was playing with my damn um omnath deck, the phyrexian crater deck that I built. It was so funny because, like, I played vorenclex, which doubled my lands, and the next dude in line played what did he play? Shit, I can't remember what it was now, but he doubled everybody's lands. So now the whole table had double lands, but I had triple lands. So then the next turn around the table or the next dude in line, he was like, nah, I can't, let him have triple, I can't. So he destroyed my Vorinclex. I was like, shit, well, I still got double, that's fine. So it comes back to me.

Speaker 3: 29:24

And I just started, I played my damn artifact and I look around and I'm like, all right, cool, I'm in my turn. And everybody else I was dude. I was struggling. I was struggling not to show it because I was like man, if it makes it back to my turn, if it makes it back to my turn, this shit's going to go off so hard. And when it did it got back to me. I was like it's my turn, right, it's my turn.

Speaker 1: 29:49

Y'all good? Yeah, that's how it feels. It's like you're just waiting for your turn.

Speaker 3: 29:53

Yeah, I was like it's my turn. Okay, cool. So this shit's about to have nuts in it. Y'all fucked up not taking this card off the table. Watch this. And I dumped all the praetors onto the table and they were like, oh fuck. And then they're like, oh well, y'all got summoning sickness. It's all right, we'll, we'll be fine. I'm like, nah, dude, urbrask, all my shit's got haste. And they're like, fuck, we did mess up. And I'm like, yeah, y'all about to die. We're about to shuffle up for another one yeah, I definitely love Vorinclex.

Speaker 1: 30:23

I'm going to add Vorinclex into my deck because my here's my thing, my Jundek, the one to where I'm like it's like mid range, to where it got so many infinite combos and all this other shit, what I also plan on doing with it, to where you add Vorinclex for it, because I'm also going to add shit like doubling seeds and what not, because it has super friends, because it's based on lord wind grace. But I got planeswalkers like, say, nissa who shakes the world, and vivian reed and uh, fucking some much. So I need like a planeswalker tutor specifically to get all those planeswalkers. I got onto the field. Basically it's like Avengers Assemble, just have like seven. I had like seven planeswalkers on the field at one time and I was just woofing ass with that one, but I even got this.

Speaker 1: 31:11

I got like Braska, the Black Braska Scheming Gorgon to where essentially you ult with her and all your creatures like for the end of turn. They get death touch and if I hit you, if it goes through, you're done.

Speaker 2: 31:28

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 31:29

I got all these planeswalkers. I'm going to use boring collects to pretty much try to double my counters, along with double season and whatnot. So that way I will have. Oh, let me tell you about my new kodama of the east tree. It's east tree, yeah, east tree combo to where I saw this online and essentially use kodama of the east tree uh, tireless provisioner and one bounce land. But I added on to that to include evolution stage, to where, whenever you um have a land into the battlefield, you proliferate. So that's where my super friends, essentially with kodama.

Speaker 1: 32:09

You put kodama on the field, you put tireless provision on the field and then, if you have the bounce land on the field I'm finding the field in your hand you play the bounce land and then you can choose to bounce the same land you um put on the field back into your hand, but you still get that effect from it entering the battlefield.

Speaker 1: 32:30

Now, tireless provisioner creates a food token or treasure token whenever a land enters the field. So whenever you do that, kodama's ability kicks in to where, if it wasn't put onto the field by your effect, you can put any card with um equal or less mana value onto the field. So essentially, you just keep using that bounce land because equal zero. So you just keep using that bounce land infinitely and you're just spending out food token, treasure tokens. You get infinite life, infinite mana with the food and treasure token. At the same time, you're getting infinite landfall and if you have landfall creatures out in the field like morag to where you get infinite combat and main phases. If you keep popping off lands and I'm like infinite life and everything else, just because you have landfall cards on the field, like you're basically either dribbling drumming, where you have like two lands, you just bounce on them back and forth, um one another, like you don't really need one. It's like either one or two lands and you just pretty much going back and forth.

Speaker 3: 33:34

I call it um dribbling drumming or, my favorite, the bounce house yeah, that sounds like it would be a bit of a pain to work around with you. Like, if you don't have interaction for that, you're pretty much just sitting there waiting yeah, it's just.

Speaker 1: 33:53

Basically I'm just throwing them out until I use my infinite mana uh combo that I mentioned earlier to pretty much draw out everything I need, because essentially I'm just trying to end it all with, keep in mind, with infinite mana. Imagine that with torment of hellfire that's that's gonna be my all coup de grace right there, that's uncalled for.

Speaker 3: 34:20

That really is.

Speaker 2: 34:21

I got something for y'all, dude that is.

Speaker 1: 34:22

That's uncalled for that really is. I got something for y'all.

Speaker 3: 34:26

Hey, I mean like it's one of those things, though, where it's like, if you can't pick up on it, right, like if you're sitting across the table and the person's doing this and you can't pick up on it, by the time it happens, you kind of ask for it. There's certain things that should send up that red flag where you're like I think I know where this might go. I might want to shut it down.

Speaker 1: 34:51

The other thing. I'm so paranoid that I'm anticipating them, trying to stop it. So I'm going to have two cards that will stop it. Make sure that my combo goes off. That's in structure to stop it. So I'm going to have two cards that will stop it. Make sure that my combo goes off, besting Shusher to where it's like this Goblin Shaman, to where it can't be countered when it enters the battlefield and you pay either one red or one green to make sure target spell can't be countered, and I'm going to put him on the field long enough until I play the card that's really gonna help me out to mill the inner sun to where it spills, like yeah.

Speaker 3: 35:27

so I'm like good luck yeah, well, yeah, I mean, what are you gonna do at that point, right?

Speaker 1: 35:38

I'm ready for it. I even got archetype of endurance to make sure that all my creatures and all my shit has hexproof. I even have witchbane orbs where I, the player, have hexproof. You are not touching me, I mean prepare for any situation right. Yes, I am that prepared. I'm like, nah, you're not getting me. I'm like I need to get my bases covered. A great defense is a good offense period. I'm like, nah, you're not getting me. I'm like I need to get my bases covered, like a great defense is a good offense.

Speaker 3: 36:04

Absolutely, Absolutely man.

Speaker 1: 36:09

How you feeling about this Dallas so far, how you feeling.

Speaker 2: 36:18

Hold on. Hey, right now, currently, I've been enjoying the ride because, like I said, this is bringing back a lot for me. So, like, I am enjoying the ride once again. I have not. I have been out of magic for a good while. Like, don't get me wrong, I still play renown again. I play arena, but as far as, like, having been to locals and stuff, I haven't had a chance to like. The one thing I will say about this game that is another thing that I just wish it wasn't is expensive. Oh my God, it is. This game is expensive. It's fun, believe me, it's fun to play with friends, but it's expensive.

Speaker 1: 37:00

Okay, you know what, Tellos. You just brought me to a great question that I need to bring up to both of y'all. How are y'all feeling about the whole thing with players opting in for proxies in the games, Obviously outside of tournaments? Like you know, it's not going to slide a tournament, yes.

Speaker 2: 37:19

Outside of tournament. I want to be clear. You know it's not going to fly to tournaments Outside of tournaments. I want it to be clear. I welcome it Because even at my locals, like we had a group of us that used to be like hey look, proxies are okay. Proxies are fine If you don't have the card, but you know what the card does and you know how to get the card go ahead. Proxies are fine. Like we used to print them up before. There was a uh, a company now I think there's out here that prints up proxies now and I say if it looks I say if it at least looks remotely almost like the car, I'm fine with it.

Speaker 3: 37:58

I'm, I'm, I'm fine with it, gotcha got to the same thing yeah, I mean, like the way I look at it, man is like I understand that it's an expensive game and like I don't, I don't, I don't have a problem with it. I try not to. But my rule for like me and what me and my buddies kind of go with is like if you're gonna proxy, okay cool, but don't proxy the whole deck and also like like like with with some cards, like I get that they're stupid expensive, but like I try to make sure that if, if I don't have any proxies at the moment.

Speaker 3: 38:38

However, like I've told my buddy because he was like, yeah, you know, I was thinking about proxies at the moment. However, like I've told my buddy because he was like, yeah, you know, I was thinking about proxying some shit and I was like I mean like, cool, if you want to do it. I was like, but like I kind of look at it like if you want to proxy something, if you have one copy of the card, cool, you know. If you want to put it in another deck, like it's, it's. It's really shitty when you're like you build a deck and you buy all the cards because I mean like I fucking, I I'm that deck dude. That's like a 1400 deck. That shit took me like three months to build. But it's real shitty when, like, you have a card and you're like, oh man, this other card, that's like 60 bucks, would just do fucking work in here, but I don't want to spend 60 bucks on it. So it's like, okay, yeah, cool, like proxy that motherfucker, especially because, like there's nothing worse than uh, thinking you know, a combo is going to interact away and then you, you spend like 40 bucks on a card to find out it worked the way you thought it worked.

Speaker 3: 39:37

So like I'm all for it, like I don't really have a problem with it. But again, you know, kind of like talo said, like clearly, when you go into a tournament or something like that, that shit's not gonna fly. And also, also, though, like to be honest, there's I've been seeing a lot of ads pop up on social media for these sites that like they print proxies but they're like bomb, ass, alternate artwork. So like, yeah, that shit, right there, dude, I'm all for that, because I mean, like wizards, they, they WotC has gotten better with their art but like sometimes there's like there's magic players that are like you know what would be fucking dope, and then they, they make that proxy and it's like you know what you were right, right, buddy, that is pretty badass. So like I'm, I'm okay with it, I don't, I don't really mind at all, yeah, and that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 40:25

Like I've seen companies out here not willing to print up proxies and I'm a person that, like I said, uh, before you, before you got in here, uh, I, I've played yugioh. I came from yugioh-Oh over to Magic first before, because it wasn't the other way around for me. My thing is like I am the person that literally will tell anybody hey, look, it's expensive. Yes, I know, if you need to make a proxy or get a proxy for a combo and stuff like that, as long as we're not in a tournament, I'm fine with it. Yeah, right, like as long. Like, cause, I have been a judge before, I've had to be a judge and I was a capable judge. So as long as it's where, hey, yeah, you don't have this, this problem here and this problem here, and you're not proxying this for tournament. Wise, cool if it's just your locals and you're chilling. By all means, have fun.

Speaker 3: 41:33

Yeah, cause I mean like cause, like there's, it's really shitty cause it's not like it's a pay to win model, necessarily, but it's really shitty because it's not like it's a pay to win model, necessarily, but it's really shitty because it's like if you can figure out how a combo works but you can't afford the card, it's kind of like depriving you of that fun, of having that like super timmy moment.

Speaker 1: 41:55

You know what I mean like, for instance, just real quick the Kodama combo I told you about just $20.

Speaker 2: 42:04

That's not so bad. Yeah, yeah, no, not at all, but I mean like.

Speaker 3: 42:07

So, for instance, like I had and this isn't an expensive combo by any means, and you know, it's just. It's the simple fact of the story of like getting the opportunity to do something fun, but it's like I can't remember the card name. It's Sarkhan, it's one of the planeswalkers, and his ultimate is like you get to search your deck for any number of dragons, put them onto the battlefield.

Speaker 1: 42:31

I got a whole lot of Sarkhan. I might know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3: 42:35

Bro, I built a dragon deck and when I first built it, tiamat was the commander. And the first time I popped off Sarkhan's ult at a table and I dropped 18 fucking dragons on the table was nuts and like ever since then my buddies, anytime Sarkhan gets played they're immediately like nope, fuck him the Sarkhan enchantments, where if you cast a dragon and it has certain power, then it deals damage to your opponent equal to that much power or whatever.

Speaker 1: 43:12

And if you're popping out all those dragons, that's a lot of damage for dragons entering the battlefield yeah, no, I agree.

Speaker 3: 43:20

and you see, when I had built that deck I didn't know about that enchantment and so, um, I've since added that enchantment and, uh, when I, when I had initially built that deck also, it was before cards like miram worm sentinel was out, and so since then I added like miram worm sentinel, and and Old Gnawbone was in it.

Speaker 3: 43:43

So I mean, like you know, you got to think you drop a Mirum and then an Old Gnawbone and then a Terror of the Peaks, and then, you know, you just start popping off with all these like OP dragons and shit, that board state gets out of hand real fast. That board state gets out of hand real fast because, like, like you know, and I find this absolutely baffling and it's so funny because, like, every time it happens, uh, me and my buddies that I play with we say it every time it's like for a game that's been around so long, people sure as hell build a lot of decks and forget that shit has flying. Because every time I play my damn dragon deck, somebody's like this deck don't have protection against flying or any kind of reach or nothing like that, and it's like, well, you about to get fucked up, buddy, because that's all this deck has is flying oh no, I got you.

Speaker 1: 44:39

I'm flying like I got one word. Well, I got two words for you. A chroma's memorial dude that card like that's the card where I'm, like, I stay ready, like well, not only that, but a chroma's memorial. And also the swords, like, like you know, like the new one Ooh, dude, I love the new one, the Sword of Wealth and Power. Y'all saw that one, mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: 45:09

Oh, I love that one. Yes, I have.

Speaker 1: 45:12

Protection from Instants and Swords priest. I want it Dude that's gonna.

Speaker 3: 45:21

One of my buddies built a Tauran deck my ring grade's gonna look like Pantherlude from Mom Fairy Tale.

Speaker 3: 45:28

One of my buddies built a Tauran deck and it's literally like 40% counter spells or some shit. Dude, as soon as that card comes out, I'm buying it and I'm gonna shove it in some deck to just shut his Tauran down, because that's all his deck does, it's just fucking counter spells. Comes out, I'm buying it and I'm gonna shove it in some deck to just shut his towering down because, like, that's all his deck does, it's just fucking counter spells. And I hate playing that deck because he, he's he's the the friend that I play against the most, and so because a lot of times, like when we build the deck, we'll just play one-on-one to test them out, and so he knows a lot of the quirks of my decks and stuff and so anytime he sits down with me, he'll look at it and he'll go.

Speaker 1: 46:07

I think I'm gonna play talent and I'm like, bro, I will, I will fucking throttle you, do not play it'll be like fucking the beginning of the mario movie where you know the penguin was throwing those snowballs at Bowser and that was like doing nothing to him. Or better yet, it'll be that one scene from Jujutsu Kaisen Season 2, to where Yuji was beating Mahito and he got that domain expansion with the snow and the wolves and whatnot. And then Mahito was so scared he was just throwing snowballs at Yuji and I was like man, man, he was unfazed by that. It was gonna be that kind of feeling to where, oh, you're gonna throw a whole bunch of counter spells but just gonna feel like snowballs to me.

Speaker 3: 46:47

I'm like all that gonna do absolutely absolutely dude, because I mean, like the, the, I love it. I love being able to shut people down with stuff like that. Like one of my favorite things to do is, anytime I have blue, I try to slot in Jinka Taxis, the one that counters their first spell, each turn or each, what is it? Instant and artifact, I think I can't remember right off the top of my head. I'm drawing a blank. I'm running on very little sleep today. Guys, I'm sorry, but yeah, no, because it's fun, because you'll play it. And then everyone is like, ah, shit, jinkin Sax, okay, you know, and they're trying to figure a way around it. And if they don't have a response for it at that point it's like anytime you play something, you almost want to be snarky about it.

Speaker 1: 47:47

You're like I'm gonna play this, unless you're gonna count. That's right. You can't because it'll get countered. I'm gonna play this anyway. Thanks guys. I just love when blue players be like no, and then I'll just play a deck where I like yes yeah, it's like I'm gonna counter that actually you thought you were.

Speaker 3: 47:58

However, you're not.

Speaker 1: 48:01

Oh, what was that? One card in green John Unkick to where essentially all creatures have war too. So, oh, you're trying to cast something against my creatures? Well, you can, but do you have two more to pay for? I'm like no, so you don't have enough to actually do anything to my card. I'm like no, and all right. Well, here's the thing Because you can't pay for it, it gets countered. How's it feel?

Speaker 3: 48:35

Yeah, it's like taste your own medicine ain't so fun now, is it All right. What's another question? Taste of your own medicine ain't so fun now, is it?

Speaker 1: 48:43

Alright. What's another question? I got for y'all Okay. Is there any card that you collected in this game that's for the artwork, like it's something to keep in um the binder or whatnot, like some people have?

Speaker 3: 49:11

a binder for rare cards and shit I don't know. Um, I've always, ever since I was a kid man, I've liked dragons. So anytime they they put out new dragons, I usually buy the dragons and I usually try to get like the pretty full art versions of them. Um, I know, with the praetors, like my omnath deck, the reason it was so damn expensive is because when I started building it I was like you know what we're gonna do? We're gonna do like full arts and alt arts and all that. So, like all my praetors, I have all three versions of all the main praetors. They're all the full arts. Um, the, the newest ones that are the flip enchantment ones, they're all the full art versions. Uh, all of my spells that are in it, like my counter spells, and all of my instants and sorceries, they're all full arts, I think in the whole deck even, even like the um the land, I have all the phyrexian lands in it.

Speaker 3: 50:05

Um, I think there's, out of the hundred cards, I think maybe like six of them aren't full art. And if they're not full art it's because I either already had a normal version of the card, like I have a. I have a regular deadly rolligan, but I plan on buying the full art one, but I just used it because I was like fuck it, I've already got this in there. And then I have the Mishra. That is the flip version of Mishra. That flips over with the Phyrexian Dragon Engine. That makes that big fucker. I've got that in there but for whatever reason they just decided they weren't going to make any alternate art version for that. They just have like normal versions and I was like that's way too much flavor to not put in a deck like that.

Speaker 1: 50:49

There's a lot of old cards back in, like maybe like Alpha Beta, you know, like the really old art to where I'm like you know, it'd be great to have those cards. Get like just one reprint. Just make it like, yeah, like just make it a little bit more appealing, otherwise you can just leave it alone. But like god, like such good card, like good effect, but just kind of ugly looking in my opinion, like I'm sorry, like sometimes I'll play the old cards, but only if it's like it's such a good card like I just can't pass on it.

Speaker 3: 51:18

But like, if you get a reprint, like just for, like for sake of a modern reprint, yeah I'll definitely buy it, because for's what it already worked yeah I mean like um, all like the shit they started doing in wilds of eldraine, where they're like you know what fuck it, we're doing anime style shit, oh my god, no, okay, okay, pause.

Speaker 1: 51:35

Y'all just remind me of a perfect question what is your favorite magic gathering set? Because, honestly, anything eldraine just draws my attention. Every fucking time an Eldraine set come out like words say more like what you got going on now.

Speaker 3: 51:52

I like the Wilds of Eldraine set. I like the Phyrexian set that they did recently. I don't know man, I was really hoping so, like with the with the murders at Karloff Mansion, they, they did what I wanted them to do, but they didn't do it the way I wanted them to do it. With the murders at Karloff mansion, they, they, they did what I wanted them to do, but they didn't do it the way I wanted them to do it. Like when I started seeing adverts for it or whatever, I was like oh, so they're going for like a murder mystery. I was like so they've been doing a lot of crossover and shit. I imagine they're going to do something clue related. And then they did, but that wasn't where I was going. Like, what I was hoping was I was like this is such a fucking opportunity for a Scooby Doo car If I've ever fucking seen one, because, dude, scooby Doo is my jam since I was a kid. You know I love Scooby Doo. And then they did something.

Speaker 1: 52:40

Oh, that's funny Tattoo because we got Scooby Doo on review coming up this October.

Speaker 3: 52:45

Hey, keep me in the loop, man, I'll get on it, I love.

Speaker 1: 52:48

Scooby-Doo I love.

Speaker 3: 52:49

Scooby-Doo. Speaking of Scooby-Doo just kind of like a side tangent. You know Matthew Lillard, have you seen his stuff that he's doing his Whiskey Quest Inn?

Speaker 1: 53:00

I haven't seen that part but I think you know, know I may keep going with matthew, with outsiders, on scooby-doo. You know I was with him with fucking scream, with fucking um serial mom with fucking um without paddle like I.

Speaker 3: 53:13

I follow matthew dude. Matthew lillard is one of my all-time favorite fucking actors. And then you find out he's a fucking nerd and he's like a part owner of beetle and grim and all this shit. Dude, I love it. He partnered with a bunch of his friends and, um, he has a company called quests in and he has he's releasing four bottles of whiskey and they're all themed around different tabletop RPG characters. So he's released Aladin and he just released rogue and I got a bottle of rogue whiskey uh, friday.

Speaker 3: 53:46

I think it's really fucking cool, man, because when you get the bottle of whiskey, it's got this fantasy map printed on the back of the bottle. The side of the bottle is like an HP tracker. The front of it says Quest End and it's got the character name and it's got this really beautifully done emblem on it. It comes with like a book explaining what the character is, because they've created a character for each class and they give you the character's backstory and all this shit. Dude, it's really superb, like, if you like whiskey, I would definitely recommend oh, like bro, I got a bottle of fireball on me right now.

Speaker 3: 54:21

I love whiskey bro, I'm telling you quest end, look that shit up. I don't know if they're gonna do reissues of the paladin and uh, well, they'll probably do a second run of rogue, because they did two runs of paladin. Uh, I got in on the first run of rogue, but definitely keep an eye out for that shit man, because it's it's good. It's like 150 a bottle, I think but it's good, it's worth it.

Speaker 1: 54:45

you know what? I'm spending some money coming in um like really right around the corner, so I'm like I might look into it.

Speaker 3: 54:52

Bro, I'll send you a link when we get off of this, so that you can keep up with it in case they do a second release. But they've got two more bottles they're going to do and I think they're spacing them out like four to six months apart from each other I just want to know what paladin tastes like for real dude, it's actually, it's really good, it's it's, it's really smooth. It's got a little bit of bite on the back end, uh I enjoy it I haven't.

Speaker 3: 55:14

I haven't. I haven't cracked open the rogue yet because I'm waiting for my buddies to come over, because, uh, we kind of made the pack that the first drink out of the bottle. We have to all be together because we do the same group that I do magic with. Uh, we used to run a dnd campaign but we haven't picked that up in a while. But recently we've picked up this new game. It's basically dnd, but you're a superhero. It's called sentinel comics. Same mechanics, bro, same mechanics, but you get to create your own superhero. It's absolutely amazing. We fucking love it.

Speaker 1: 55:49

So we've been doing that a lot. Yeah, I need looking to that from like my home group dude.

Speaker 3: 55:56

Yeah, I'm telling you, man, because my one of my buddies has always been the dm and then the rest of us all run the campaign together and it's always absolute chaos, like when we were doing dnd dude. The fucking train came off the rails every game. It never failed. I felt so bad for my buddy because he would be like I spent seven hours writing this campaign and you guys completely negated four and a half hours of it by making one fucking decision. We're like embrace the chaos, man. That's how it is gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 1: 56:28

All right, speaking of embracing chaos, uh, in game, what we? Um, let's go to both y'all. Uh, what is your favorite mechanic or keyword ability in magic gathering? Oh, man okay okay, here's the funny thing. There's a lot of them like you would think, like Touch or Hexproof or whatnot. But you know what I'm really starting to fall in love with In recent times? I don't know how new. I know this new Massacre girl was new, but I don't know exactly how new Finn the Famebearer was. But with her.

Speaker 1: 57:05

Yeah, but here's the thing now with um fin, the uh fame bearer, he can like, whenever you have creatures with death touch, attack uh and they hit your opponent, they get two poison counters. So that's like an instant kill if you're like five creatures and on that with death touch and I got archetype of finalities where all my creatures will have death touch. And I got an archetype of finality to where all my creatures will have death touch. So I got that covered.

Speaker 1: 57:29

But when this new massacre girl known killer came out, wither kind of became one of my new favorites right now because essentially it's like the old mechanics where, okay, it's kind of like infects, where poison counters and wither you combine those and you pretty much get infect. But with wither it's like essentially if I attack with my creatures and your creatures block me, then I deal damage to your creatures equal in the total um negative one counters like, speaking of which I am 3d printing dice. Ladies and and gentlemen, so if you want D20, d4, d6, I got negative one, negative counters plus plus counters. If you need it, let me know. And sorry I'm saying this bug, but yeah, like I like Wither now because it just makes me think it's almost like Death Touch, but a little bit scarier, depending on how beefy your characters are so like. If your creature is like super beefy and they have Wither, then it's almost like your opponent's creature is going to be like hey man, you just go in and pass. That's unnecessary right there?

Speaker 3: 58:46

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 58:49

Because like it's one thing with death touch, where it's like okay, um, obviously, um, death, so they're not gonna touch someone with death touch, but at the same time with wither that's like a double okay. I definitely don't want my creatures so weak that they can't even defend themselves during a second wave, like when I told you about Morag, to where I'm just having like infinite combat phases, to where if I pass by you again I'm like hey, man, just pass on through, just just swing away, dog, like I'm not even blocking anymore, right, um favorite mechanic?

Speaker 3: 59:26

I don't, you know, honestly, swing away, dog. I'm not even blocking anymore, right Favorite mechanic? Honestly, I don't really know that I have one. Whenever I build a deck, I just kind of start with my idea and then, if I see something that works well with it, I just kind of run with it. I don't really have one that I prefer, more so um than another.

Speaker 3: 59:48

I mean, everybody loves a good, a good fun one, like like everybody. Like you said, death touch is always a classic, and I mean lifelink. You know all the, all the old school ones that have been around for forever. They're all fun. Um, the ones that kind of piss me off and I say it and I'm I'm fucking guilty of doing it is those fucking, those fucking ones that are so like, uh, so niche, where it's like um horsemanship or fucking skulk shadow, where it's like like I play this and it's like have you heard of this mechanic? No, that's why I played it. Motherfucker, you can't block me now. It's, it's aggravating, but at the same time it's kind of one of those things. So it's like, what are you gonna do like the chances of that happening, you know, in any other pod or any other time? It's like somebody has to really look for that, to do it.

Speaker 2: 1:00:43

So I mean, those, I guess, are kind of fun.

Speaker 1: 1:00:48

You know what really like makes me instantly hate you Like. Okay, phyrexians is more forgivable because, like, even though they're kind of broken, depending on which Phyrexian, especially like Shea Oldred nowadays Like, uh, fucking Shea Oldred yeah, but no for real. Um, firexians, I'm like, I'm not really that worried about firexians, like it used to be slivers, because slivers like the unity, the hive mind mentality that slivers got going on. Okay, a little spooky, all Alright, no, no, no, slivers is fine, compared to what I'm really about to say. I swear to God, if I catch anybody with an Eldrazi deck with fucking Annihilation where I'm like man, you mean to tell me every time you swing on me, I gotta sacrifice permanence?

Speaker 2: 1:01:45

Then you might not want to play me but okay. Because, like I said, I was listening to y'all and, once again, my favorite sets and stuff revolve around Slivers Eldrazi, especially Slivers in Green.

Speaker 1: 1:02:02

Oh, dude yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:02:04

Yes, dear Lord, slivers in Green are such a fun time to have oh look, oh look, wait, he just came out with haste. Uh-huh, okay, that's no problem. Oh wait, look, now he came out with haste and death touch. Hold on how that happened. How that happened. Oh, they sharing stuff. Oh yeah, now they came out with haze, death touch and infect. Oh no, yep, it's a, it's a sad, sad day. I love it.

Speaker 3: 1:02:33

I love it so much dude, I feel you there, man, because, like the deck that I built before I built, my phyrexian deck was a sliver deck. Because, like my buddy was talking to me and he was like man, you know what, we've got a good spread of things. Like he's got an olorote deck, he's got uh, what else does he have?

Speaker 3: 1:02:50

he's got olorote, he's got who's not rolling olorote at this point I got a friend that has olorote too and he pissed me off with that light game shit yeah, no, I agree, man, it's, it's frustrating, but like what we try to do in our pod is like if somebody wants to build a deck, we're like alright, cool, you build it, you know. And then if you keep it, nobody else is going to build it, just because, like I don't want to sit down and say two of these, but like we've got a good spread on things like I've got a goblin deck, he's got olorot, he's got what else does he have? He's got a pirate deck, he's got all kinds of shit. So you know, we've got this pretty good spread and he's like none of us really have slivers until I did it and I did a lot.

Speaker 1: 1:03:33

It was almost like one of those taboo decks. It was like we don't build slivers, we don't build Eldrazi's around here.

Speaker 3: 1:03:39

Yeah, like we weren't gonna do it. And then he said it one day he's like none of us have a sliver deck. And I was like that's a good idea, let's do that.

Speaker 3: 1:03:49

And so, you know, I did five color slivers and first time I sat down to play it I was like, all right guys I was like I think I built it well I don't know, we're gonna try this out and see and like four turns in I had like 15 slivers on the table and they were like I think it's safe to say you built that deck properly. And I was like I think. So Two turns later the table was dead. They were like okay, that was a success. And so now it's like the sliver deck is kind of the deck that I'll play when it's like do you guys want?

Speaker 3: 1:04:24

a fast game, or do you want to just kind of a the deck that I'll play when it's like? Do you guys want a fast game, or do you want?

Speaker 1: 1:04:26

to just yeah test some stuff out that's why we do it at the table, to where, um, it got to a point to where I'm the dude that decides whether are we going to do a fast game or are we going to just play around. And usually we have like some new players. So when we have new players, um, at a table, I'm like, okay, this is like there was second game, we'll go a little easy on them. But man, I fucked up. I fucked up because here's the thing. I decided to go easy on them because I'm like you know, like let's just let them, all you know, play around a little bit, get get used to the game, like don't knock them out real quick. These dudes turned on me and focused on me, just like everybody else, and I'm like traitor, fucking Judas.

Speaker 3: 1:05:14

I was there, y'all.

Speaker 1: 1:05:15

I built y'all. I literally built their decks and shit, and that's how you do me.

Speaker 3: 1:05:21

No respect, so disrespectful. No respect, so disrespectful.

Speaker 1: 1:05:30

Man. But yeah, I kind of feel that's where I don't have a problem with anybody Having Building slivers or Eldrazi. But I'm just saying just on site. I'm like you know you're going to get focused right.

Speaker 3: 1:05:45

Yes, those are two of the archetypes that it's like as soon as you're going to get focused right. Yes, those are two of the archetypes that it's like as soon as you see it. It's like okay, I don't know what your deck is about and I don't give a fuck what it's about. You're going to be the first target. You are arch enemy off gate, like from turn one. I am solely focusing on you. I don't care if this player is tagging me in the head. I'm going after you because I know what that's getting the.

Speaker 1: 1:06:09

They can kind of get away with it if it was like standard or whatnot. Um, because it doesn't make it too obvious. But in commander, if you put out a eldrazi commander, I'm like I am on to you, I'm like on to you on site, I'm like I gotta take you immediately. I do not trust you.

Speaker 3: 1:06:25

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 1:06:29

I agree. Get them out of here.

Speaker 3: 1:06:31

I say that knowing that I play decks that are exactly that Like I had to take apart. I had a turgor deck and I had to take it apart because every time I would sit down at a table, like my play group was okay with it, but like when I would go up to my shop and I would pull out my turgor deck, they'd be like all right, nope, that's it, you're. Everybody would focus on me. That's like guys, guys, clearly you don't know how to play magic, because if you knew how to play, you would understand that, yeah, she's not necessarily the most fun to play against, but she's not unstoppable by any means. Like she's annoying the.

Speaker 3: 1:07:06

The fact of the matter is is what you need to do. If somebody sits down with turn, you need to say okay, cool, any counter spell I come into. I'm waiting for that bitch to hit the table. You counter her three times. Nobody's gonna want to play her anymore. She's gonna cost so fucking much. You've shut the deck off. All you gotta do is counter her a couple of times. Then you've kind of just kneecapped. So it's like don't, don't be salty just because I'm playing. You know, steal your shit like. Think around it like right, have fun with it. It's not the worst thing to do.

Speaker 1: 1:07:37

It's not like I'm sitting down with my fucking augustine stacks deck where you watch me play magic, or I'm just fucking thin triplets where, oh, I'm just pretty much gonna lock you out your whole turn, like you can't play any spells or any, activate any abilities or none of that. It's like you just might as well just let me play my deck until I beat you exactly.

Speaker 3: 1:07:58

I'm not playing that. I'm playing. I'm gonna steal your shit. You can get around me stealing your shit. It's just how much do you want to work for it? Like how well did you, how well did you build your deck? Is the real question, like, how confident are you?

Speaker 1: 1:08:11

I see funny enough, like circling back to she oldred. It's funny how there was literally a meme that captured this very topic to where it would be like that spongebob means where you know when, um, the police was looking for, uh, a criminal and they pulled out the patrick and they pulled out his own um fucking wanted photo and it was scaring the shit out of patrick and then they just decided to fuck with him. Uh, that's how it feels on shoulders, where it's like, bro, it's just a card, you can work around it relax.

Speaker 3: 1:08:43

Yeah, yeah, it's like. Yeah, it's intimidating, yeah, it's a powerful card, but it's not like game breaking. It can be handled.

Speaker 1: 1:08:52

It's just you have to put some extra work into it at that point oh, can I circle back to the question I had about would you collect the card just for the artwork? Can we talk about the post malone things where he bought that one ring for 2.6 million dollars and I'm like, hey, that was a one-of-a-kind card. I kind of get it dude.

Speaker 3: 1:09:15

look, I knew it was either going to be him or cassius marsh. I knew it was going to be one of them. Like there's, and the fact that somebody pulled it and then was like, yeah, I'll sell it to you. Like I would, I would have, I hope whoever sold it to Post Malone like leverage that shit. Like when Post Malone approached him I was like, yeah, I'll give you two point six. I hope they were like how about a meet and greet, autograph, a picture, and you can buy the card? Because like that's, that's, that's like a once-in-a-lifetime thing. Like I keep telling my wife, my wife doesn't like Magic at all, she hates it.

Speaker 3: 1:09:52

But I keep telling her oh man, I keep telling her when Post Malone comes.

Speaker 1: 1:09:57

Go ahead. I'm sorry, real quick. I wish, like Thomas Madge, another Magic Gathering player, um, was on, because he made a tick talk about how, uh, you know the tick talks where, uh, you have the magic gathering show, the uh x section in walmart or whatever, and then you have kevin harvey's like ah no, no no and it's like your wife always trying to stop you from playing magic as a uh um, buying them and, funny enough, it's like I got a whole bunch of buddies that have like wives or girlfriends.

Speaker 1: 1:10:33

I just look at them like real mad, like did you buy more magic cards and I'm sitting here like I? On one hand, I understand how y'all feeling, but as a dude who's Single and free to mingle, it's one of those moments where I just Relish in the fact that I don't have that Limitation.

Speaker 3: 1:10:53

And you see, I will Say this, my wife, she doesn't necessarily. She's not necessarily, she's not that bad, she just doesn't like it because, like, when my buddies come over To play, we play for, like you know, five, six hours, and at that point it's late at night. She's just like come on, come on, it's bedtime. It's like one o'clock in the morning, let's go. So, like she just doesn't have the patience to learn the mechanics, which I can understand, it can be intimidating if you haven't you know, been playing it for a while.

Speaker 3: 1:11:22

But what I was saying was I keep telling her like she loves post malone. So I'm like you know, if he ever comes to concert around here, I'm making a big fucking sign saying I challenge you to a game of edh, and I hope to god he sees it, because like that would just be awesome for him to be like. Oh yeah, okay, come on, let's go, because he'll solve a mud hole in my ass quick fast, but it'd be fun.

Speaker 1: 1:11:44

I hope I have a sign big enough to say play EDH with me, you coward.

Speaker 3: 1:11:51

Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:11:53

I was like, oh, you're being goaded.

Speaker 3: 1:11:56

Yeah, yeah, right, right, like I will take you on and beat you. I know I will, I know I won't, but I'll say I will.

Speaker 1: 1:12:04

I have to.

Speaker 3: 1:12:08

You got to call my bluff now. Either way, I get a game with you. It's like you're really gonna let me call you out like this.

Speaker 1: 1:12:12

Punk you a little bit in front of all these people, like come on you're gonna make me, um, make you have to look like a punk in front of your wife or your girl. Like what are you?

Speaker 3: 1:12:25

absolutely, man, I, I really I would love that. But yeah, the fact that he spent that much money, dude like that's absurd and you know what that that probably was like nothing to him like at all.

Speaker 1: 1:12:37

I mean, he did the whole interview about it too and he was like saying how, oh, his advisor or some shit, to where he was saying that, oh man, you spent two million dollars like yeah, yeah, but you know, it was one of those privileged purchases where I thought it was kind of worth it. I'm like to be fair, man, it kind of is because you got a card that nobody else had.

Speaker 1: 1:13:00

Well, as far as uh, artwork wise, like you have the one card that nobody else has, so I kind of get it yeah, absolutely, I'm not saying it's right I understand yeah, talk about being in the exclusive club.

Speaker 3: 1:13:15

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:13:15

Like yeah he's the only one there all right, um, try to wrap this up, because I want to go ahead and get to switch gears for another review. Uh, one last question if you could change anything one thing about magic gathering, what would it be? I would say make all the colors more balanced. Where I'm so I'm circling back to the whole parts where I'm getting tired of these blue is god players. To where I'm like they thinking oh, just because y'all got counter spells and sneaky shit to get around other spells, you think blue is the superior color? No, no, no, y'all need to get humble. I need black, green, white and, um, black, green, white and red to get their shit together once again just because we, as blue players, can commit tax evasion does not mean nothing.

Speaker 2: 1:14:10

It happens. It happens. We commit tax fraud. I want you to know this. Mind you, I'm getting my terms from Malhound off TikTok, understand right. We commit tax fraud, understand that. We, as a blue player, I understand that. But y'all let us y'all let me.

Speaker 1: 1:14:36

I'm not letting that, I'm not letting y'all slide no more, I'm building it in all seriousness, if I could change one thing, it would be the price.

Speaker 2: 1:14:47

I want to make this game a little more friendly to new players, because the price makes it where. Hey, it's not as friendly as it looks and you know what the fuck you know, and no offense. This is why. This is why I'm I'm playing yugioh. I like Yu-Gi-Oh because Yu-Gi-Oh hey, you do have some expensive cards, don't get me wrong. You do have some, but they're not all to the point of where you really need a proxy. That bad right.

Speaker 1: 1:15:20

Yeah, this makes me very glad that my buddy Sonny shout out to him. He had Ren and Six and that card is like around a hundred dollars. I traded him a whole free con commander debt that was valued for just about the same amount for that one card and I'm like, bro, I would rather get this one. I'll give you a whole commander debt for this car. Like I'm not paying a hundred dollars for just this one car. I'm sorry, like it's really good, but I'm like it's a hundred dollars good yeah, I think I'm, I think I'm right there with both of y'all.

Speaker 3: 1:15:56

I agree with both those statements. Like I think blue, I mean it's a good color but it's not the best I mean it has. It has a lot of tricks, but I I like all the colors, I agree, I think I think the, I think the color pie should be balanced and I do think it should be more affordable because, like, did y'all see the shit? Um, did y'all see the shit that they're doing with the assassin's creed set that's coming out soon?

Speaker 3: 1:16:22

yeah those fucking booster boxes that's like x amount of packs that have what? Seven cards and they're like 150 bucks. What the fuck is that about, man?

Speaker 3: 1:16:32

that boy you know what I mean, that boy like that. I think I think both of those are things that should be addressed and changed. And, like the, the color balancing is kind of coming around but it's taken a really really long time. But I think the pricing of shit, man, I think that's really where it's at. I think that's probably your most glaring issue right now, because it's like the amount of product that they are pumping out and then the prices that they're charging for. Some of them, like they're fucking the the modern horizon sets and the commander master sets are so absurdly priced it makes no sense whatsoever. Like at my local game shop.

Speaker 3: 1:17:19

I've told him every time a new set comes out, I will buy a box and I will buy a bundle pack faithfully. I will buy a whole set box and I will buy a bundle pack Faithfully. I will buy a whole set box and I will buy a bundle pack At least every set that comes out, except for the Modern Horizon sets and the Commander Master sets. Because when you look at a fucking set booster box, that's $500. There's no reason for that. I don't give a fuck what you put in that set, I don't care what you reprint. That does not warrant a price tag like that. There's no way, because you're that's the whole point of reprinting is so that it's not that expensive and you're being counterproductive by doing that. It's like hey, we're gonna reprint five bombs in this set and the chances of you buying a $500 box and pulling one.

Speaker 3: 1:18:10

Maybe, but then they'll make a set where it's like oh, you know, this set box is $150. $150. $170. And then you have better pulls in that box than you do of the shit that you actually want. You know what I mean? So it's like the way they fucking, the way they distribute their rare cards and you know shit like that to the price that they charge for them is just insane.

Speaker 1: 1:18:38

The secret layers man.

Speaker 3: 1:18:43

The secret layers. Dude, they're fun.

Speaker 1: 1:18:48

I was like thinking like, okay, I kind of get it, because you know there's like rare Reprints of the artworks. And I was like, okay, I kind of get it. But I'm like, uh, oh, well they. The urgency of it all Is where you can only get the secret layer at a certain time, and if you don't buy these cards at a certain time, you're just fucked. You're just like, yeah, you devious, diabolical Bastards.

Speaker 3: 1:19:16

The thing of it is, though, is like I've found that Sometimes it doesn't always work this way. Sometimes you can get really, really lucky and those cards plummet after a while. Like there was a um, I don't remember the secret layer it was, but I think it was actually one that came out in February for Black History Month a few years ago, but they had a. I fucking loved the art on the soul ring. It was like the traditional African artwork with like artwork, with like the big like neck dress around around the neck, big golden like ferulite neck piece or whatever. When it came out, it came out in the secret layer, and I saw it.

Speaker 3: 1:19:58

I was like damn, that's a badass soul. I like I'm not paying 25 for a fucking soul ring. And then I went, and, when I was building my Phyrexian deck, I was searching for soul ring and it's $7. And I'm like I feel better about spending $7 on a soul ring than I do $25. So that is what is in my Phyrexian deck, but, like I agree with you that time shooting it's infuriating because, like hell, tonight is a perfect example of how easily I lose track of time, and I will fucking miss the secret layer that I want almost every time if I don't word it as soon as I'm seeing the love. So I think that's time to shoot gotcha, okay, all right.

Speaker 1: 1:20:47

Well, gentlemen, uh, with that being said, I need to go ahead and wrap this up, because we got a dnd, a whole bunch of more. So, with that being said, ladies and gentlemen, oh, before I forget tattoo, you mind telling the people, uh, what you've been up to as far as the 3D prints and modeling, because I really love your work, man.

Speaker 3: 1:21:08

I appreciate that, man. Thank you. Yeah, you find me on social media. If you're in any of the Magic the Gathering groups, anything like that, you've probably seen me on ship up here.

Speaker 3: 1:21:18

Lately I've been printing a lot of token counters. Most recently the one that's gotten the most attention is for my four-way rag counter. I've been printing these token counters and making some new designs and stuff like that. I sell deck boxes, dice towers, minis for Warhammer or any other kind of tabletop game you can want. I do quarter scale statues if that's what you want. I've got a couple of video games that have bought a very nice Elishaun statue that I printed.

Speaker 3: 1:21:53

Yeah, I do all kinds of little knickknacks and stuff for the National Gathering and you know I'm always down to do other projects for people. I'm a huge comic book fan so I print a lot of comic books for myself, but most notably my tokens and counters. They kind of get a lot of traction lately so I sell them painted, unpainted. You know, if you got a suggestion for one, I had a guy asking me for a food counter that recently did a little simple design for people All kinds of shit. So anybody that wants them just find me on social media. I have a Facebook page, a Facebook group, called Something Crafty. I usually post all of my free prints on there and I do contact with you there. Yeah, that's what I've been doing with my stuff lately, so if anybody has any need for anything, feel free to reach out to do some projects hell yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:22:54

And, with that being said, check us out on social media. We are on Facebook, we are on Instagram, we're trying to get back into Twitter, but I just don't really fuck with Twitter personally, but I'll do it for business. Uh, I am on tiktok and, of course, you can follow us on patreon, where we are going to do 3d printing. We're gonna have a lot of podcast episodes on there and we have a new goal that I might tell y'all in the near future, but for now, I'm gonna try to keep it hush, hush, because it's really good. But um until um, new developments come up. Uh, remember to stay nerdy and remember that great things are indeed. Y'all, take it easy, you.