Digimon: The Xtreme Review (Digimon Adventure 01)

Celebrate a digital milestone with us as we journey through 25 years of Digimon's legacy, taking a closer look at the original generation's charm and the unique elements that distinguished it from the crowd. As nostalgia takes over, we promise you'll rediscover the depth of Digimon's characters and the intensity of their psychological challenges. If you've ever puzzled over the true differences between Digivolving in Digimon and evolving in Pokémon, or the strategic battles that set the digital monsters apart, this episode unpacks it all. We'll even tip our hats to other unsung heroes of Saturday morning cartoons, like Metabots and Yokai Watch, advocating for the recognition they deserve.

Digging deeper, we contrast the personalities and growth trajectories of Digimon and Pokémon characters, examining how Digimon's nuanced approach to its storyline gave it an edge in character development. From Mimi's sophisticated care to Ash's perpetual journey of growth, we'll dissect these animated icons with a critical but affectionate eye. We'll also compare the evolution mechanics of these digital creatures to the power dynamics in anime like Dragon Ball Z, exploring how these concepts shape the narrative and challenge the Digi-destined and their partners.

Wrapping up, I share the tale of our own evolution from "Nerd Nation" to "Zealots of Nerd Entertainment", opening up about the hard work and dedication it takes to thrive in the creative world. From podcasting to game development, we've weathered the storm and emerged eager to bring you more enthralling discussions. So, whether you're a long-time Digimon fan or new to the digital world, be ready for a trip down memory lane and a glance into the future of our passion-fueled ventures. Stay tuned for an adventure that's as thrilling as a battle against the Dark Masters!

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

What's good, nerds? It's the zone podcast. Back at it again with another extreme review. And today we got to an eye. We are celebrating the 25th anniversary of Digimon with an extreme review. We're going to start with the first original generation, not the reboot. We'll do the reboot later and damn it, there's a plane flying by, throw me off. We're going to do the original first generation today and then maybe later on down the road throughout the year, we're going to do the rest of this season. It's like man, there's so many seasons when you think about it. There's the second one, obviously, there's Tamers, there's Frontier, there's Data Squad, there's Cross Wars, there's Ghost Games and the reboot, and we're going to have to sprinkle in some of the games at the very least. So buckle up, nerds, let's zone in on it. Okay, I see. How are you feeling about Digimon world?

Speaker 2: 1:04

So you know we're back when we was growing up, since now we that old now. Dude, apparently they updated your mama jokes now. Now it's like, oh, your mama's so old she had to hang up the phone in order for you to boot up the internet. Yeah, Damn. I'm that old now, just still. But back in our day, back when Pokemon was still young, there was a competition between Pokemon and Digimon. This is before a power world, but we did have a power that sometimes had guns that would shoot up other monsters.

Speaker 1: 1:44

Like fucking Gargoyle mom from Tamers.

Speaker 2: 1:47

Yeah, so even before then you got like metal gray mountain. He had, like most of the great ones, most of just had fucking rocket launchers and stuff like this they had, yes, they had guns and stuff to metal gray man with the fucking launcher longer in the fucking chest Like his chest. Yeah. Or even like school Great Mon had a fucking nuke on his back and shit. No, then you had metal. Garoo Ramon had fucking rocket heat seeking rocket launchers. I'm just saying like this this was power before power, bro. Like for real.

Speaker 1: 2:25

Like, honestly, digimon, like see, here's the thing. I don't like to call it a Pokemon clone, but it kind of is to an extent like the similarities is kind of there. But that's where I'm like. It's the same energy as when I did the meta box reviews, where you can call that Pokemon clone if you want to, but it stands out on its own merits.

Speaker 2: 2:47

I'm actually still upset. I couldn't be on now and I had some stuff going on. But you know I love meta box man.

Speaker 1: 2:52

Tell you what, man, if we can get like two more people to jump on meta box, I'll do a read up for you.

Speaker 2: 2:58

We'll see. We'll see, all right, but no, as far as like Digimon, I do like it was really great. It came out purposely to be in competition. The anime came out purposely to be in competition with Pokemon. Like, if those people who actually have read the manga, which is not many people, like even nowadays most people that associate Digimon is an anime only franchise Just like Pokemon.

Speaker 1: 3:20

But I don't even play the video games.

Speaker 2: 3:22

But it's what I'm saying. But the thing about it to be honest with you, how many Digimon games are here in America? Every single Pokemon, every single new Pokemon game comes out here in America. There's at least 15 Digimon games. I could think only like five of them actually came out to America. So if you wanted to play the other 10, you have to literally order them from Japan and unless you have an emulator, you have no idea what the hell they saying.

Speaker 1: 3:44

See, this is what I'm saying Ayo, if you want Digimon to make a comeback, more games in America, and y'all doing all right with the anime, it just needs more attention. Like how okay, y'all brought back the reboot of the first generation. I'm like, okay, cool, cool, cool. And then y'all got Ghost Game and I was like my boy, trippy Vic, was telling me about how it was really good and I'm like, oh shit, I didn't even know. I mean it was out, but at the same time I didn't think it was that gas to where. I'm like, oh, so I should check it out, okay, okay, I'll get to it, but that's what I'm saying. Compared to Pokemon, like see, I fell up on Pokemon too. As far as the anime, like I still play the game till, I'm still going to play Pokemon ZA. But all I'm saying is like, at least with Pokemon I knew they had like something going on. Like Pokemon would just put on this high peddle. So, compared to the lights that Digimon, metabod, okai Watch and others you know.

Speaker 2: 4:48

Yeah, and it's like those other shows. All these other shows were pretty good, like you just had to give them a chance and stuff, but it was just people, pokemon. You know, I would say in this aspect and this is based on, like the video that I looked at that you had sent to kind of help do a recap for things I agree with some of the comment section into it Because one of the things that the dude said in that video was that he appreciated Digimon more, but he felt like Digimon was more mature. It was like more mature than before the kids. But I do agree with one of the comments into it and even he even responded and said he actually appreciated this person disclaimed his comment because he liked what they said better. It's not that Digimon was more mature, it was the fact that Digimon treated us more mature.

Speaker 1: 5:30

Right.

Speaker 2: 5:32

And that was one of the things I appreciated into that. It's like, yeah, like this was, you gave us respect. Like these characters have background, these characters had story. Like the thing about it is that, no matter what, who the fuck is Ash's dad, what the hell is that? What is Professor Oak doing with Ash's mom? Like these things.

Speaker 2: 5:50

This is just like stuff that we just think about, but it's one of those ones that most people still don't realize the fact that, as well, as mentioned about the manga, if you, the manga art style and the manga art style is affairs very differently than the animation, than the anime, because the anime was made specifically to target audiences that, like Pokemon, it was on purpose and it didn't work out as well, right, but the thing about it is that the manga, the anime, actually adapted the manga very well, unlike Pokemon Remember, we talked about this in our Pokemon review before. So just to mention, but if you haven't, definitely go back and check this out onto that. But one of the things about it is that the anime is extremely, extremely different from the manga. In the manga there is in depth discussions about different things.

Speaker 2: 6:36

These Pokemon can fucking damage the earth itself, can damage the planet. The Pokemon battles is what cause all the different regions to split apart from each other. That's how fucking powerful these Pokemon really are type of thing. And it's like all of that is completely erased in anime. It's completely little kid, only friendly, and that's it. You don't understand that. In the manga there is depth Like cities burn to the ground, cities decimated, hundreds of people killed in the actual Pokemon manga. You will never hear about that in anime, all whatsoever. But Digimon, digimon will show you that shit. It literally in just the whole first series people almost died, cities was getting decimated, cities were getting destroyed, with people trying to escape and run away in them. We saw this in anime. Pokemon would never.

Speaker 1: 7:31

I mean they have to play a little too safe. Like Pokemon, definitely double down on the whole family friendly thing. You have to relight some of the pokedex entries to be like, oh so that's what y'all really on, but y'all have to like play off the whole family friendly part where Digimon yeah, it doesn't really play with you, it's more like it had more mature themes, like let's talk about the characters, by the way, let's talk about how, like, for instance, with Matt and TK, they were children of the board, so while Matt was living with his father, tk was living with the mother and Sora sees the tomboy type but she asked his mother. That's like traditional and they were like at odds with each other to a point where Sora feels as though she don't really know her mother really loves her or not, because she feel like she's not accepted as she is.

Speaker 1: 8:27

And then there was Izzy where his arc was he finding? Well, he was in denial about maybe my parents don't love me that much because, surprise, surprise, I'm adopted. And Joe, even though you might think of him as the worry word type, like to be fair, he has a strong sense of responsibility to where I'm like. That's actually remarkable as a kid. So I mean he was a whole list of characters like this, like characters that you can relate to, like with. Okay, let's talk about my real quick, real quick, just real quick. Ash, naive, but hard of gold. Rock, knowledgeable, but a horn dog, miss loudmouth tomboy, that's it.

Speaker 2: 9:15

Not wrong about the horn dog oh my gosh rock go after every single girl, but no, for reals, though, and the thing about is is that if you used to compare Misty to, if you used to wind up comparing these characters, misty is the tomboy in the worst way. She was constantly, always nagging, and it's one of those things like there were some situations where she was right, but it was like you'd nag so much it just nobody got that point across. Like nobody got it. I was like we blocked you out because you just kept yelling about it all the time. It's like okay, if you're right, tell us that you're right and then kind of move forward, but it was like every single time, she always had to yell.

Speaker 1: 9:54

Hey, you're giving me a headache and then meanwhile Ash is in the background, like now. You know how we feel.

Speaker 2: 10:00

Yeah, and it's like bro, like we couldn't understand. But then we have like in Digimon, we have like characters like Mimi. Mimi who's literally a lot of people's think it's like oh, she's just a real prissy girl. Yeah, yeah, let's talk about that, let's talk about that, like no, mimi was the person who helped hold shit down and stuff. Mimi was. Yes, she had her mom as well. Yes, she was the rich prissy girl, but she was the rich prissy girl that still respected people.

Speaker 1: 10:24

You don't see that nowadays. She was respected, she's not one of those stuck up girls where it's like, uh, commoners, whatever like no, no she actually gave a fuck about people, so I'm like points for that.

Speaker 2: 10:35

She cared about other Digimon like very much so. Even every single time it was a Digimon that was attacking, she always was the first one to be like, oh my gosh, is there a way we can work around this and stuff? And it's like everything doesn't have to be fighting all the time. But when she had to step up, she fucking stepped up. Best believe, yeah, and it's like it's still one of those things. It's like each character was fleshed out in the best way possible, while still each of them dealing with their own worst experiences ever. Each of them dealt with their darkest fears multiple times where there'd be a digimon that made that happen to them, made them put them in a genjutsu. If you want to say this was targeting modern day audiences, it was genjutsu per se. But um, hey, man.

Speaker 1: 11:21

I just say that all the time. At this point, I don't even call it the matrix anymore, I just want the genjutsu.

Speaker 2: 11:27

Pretty much. But like these little hallucinations where they were imagining the worst nightmares that happens to them a lot, and then the worst part about it is that we have imaginations of the worst nightmare happening and then, like the next part of the series, the shit actually happened and you're like, oh wait, oh, before it was just like it's just a hallucination, it's not going to matter, it's a genjutsu, it won't work, it's not going to happen, you're fine. Next part oh my god, it actually happened.

Speaker 1: 11:55

It's like. It's like on the level of Hitman Reborns, where misflame users can have illusions. That's so powerful, it'll feel real. But then again, if you read the manga or maybe a little bit in the anime, to where two points where they develop gloves that have lightning flames infused in it so that way people with misflames can make real illusions.

Speaker 2: 12:19

So, yeah, there's a lot of man, there's so much into it, there's so many reasons that obviously just love this series and it gets overshadowed. I am happy about one thing that I will say. I know we're not talking too much into the redux that they've done, because before another time they did make some changes from the redux, from the original anime. Some people kind of like it, some people don't, but one of the things that I like is that, first off, they changed the animation style. That's the first thing. It's no longer copying Pokemon. It now feels a little bit more original. The other thing about it is that they eliminated some of the fluff. So there are some episodes that, although they are important to the story, still kind of feel like filler.

Speaker 1: 13:04

So it's like some episodes together. It's like they gave this reboot the Dragon Ball Z Kai-Rom treatment.

Speaker 2: 13:14

Yeah, or even just like the Team 4 Star, like how Team 4 Star was able to. We had like what 200, some episodes and Dragon Ball Z and they were able to recap everything and understate it like the first, like all the way up to Cell Arc in 62 episodes.

Speaker 1: 13:31

Yeah, 52 are some moves, so yeah.

Speaker 2: 13:34

Yeah, so yeah, but yeah, it was like they eliminated the nonsense. They eliminated a lot of the nonsense and it helped out quite a lot on the things to where it was like it makes it a little bit shorter. So even if you haven't seen the original like, I still encourage the original. The Redux hasn't gone all the way through, but if you want something that's a little bit more to the point, the Redux definitely did a good job into that. But I think overall, as a generalization, the original still was. It was great. To me as a kid it was one of those ones I tuned in. I tuned in to Digimon more than I tuned into Pokemon. I come just from this brand.

Speaker 1: 14:10

It's like Pokemon and Digimon. They were like linked together like a tattooed hip and kind of way in Saturday morning on blocks. You know, waking up Saturday morning, you got your cereal ready, you're in your pajamas, you're just gonna watch some cartoons up until noon and then after that you just either play video games or you just play it outside. That was just a move on Saturday morning. But listen, pokemon and Digimon like it. You wake up, you watch this shit and then you're not as hyped for Pokemon as you are for Digimon, especially when you get to generation three and four on Digimon Tamers and Digimon Frontiers, to where it gets notably darker, like I want to say, the tone is more prevalent and consistent, especially in those generations to where generation one and two it goes there, but it's still a little light heart. It's like Harry Potter in the way to. It's like the first two is always like a little light hearted, then by the time he's the third one. I was like, okay, we're gonna introduce the dark shit now.

Speaker 2: 15:25

True, true. All right, but yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:29

I'm usually getting more excited for Digimon than Pokemon. Not gonna lie Always.

Speaker 2: 15:33

But I think as far as like for yeah, so in general, that's pretty much how I kind of feel into that one. So as far as like each individual arcs, how did you where you going to go into that one?

Speaker 1: 15:44

Okay. So there's really like four main arcs to this original run there's the Debbie Mon arc, there's the Edamon arc, there's the Myotis Mon arc and then that's when they like all three come together. There's this Apoclymon Slash Dark Masters arc, like essentially. But the Debbie Mon arc like let me be honest with you, like you just said, the reboot gets rid of all that fluff. It's mostly fluff in this one. So it's like, okay, you have the Debbie Mon arc.

Speaker 1: 16:19

Digimon is being infected with these dark gears and they go on a rampage, kind of like a modification, you know, like in Dragon Ball Z, where Bobbity would give them like a M on their forehead and they just become like evil and unhinged but they get a power boost. It's like that in a sense, where it's like kind of infect them with this dark year and they just go crazy. They did your destined handling and then next thing you know like, okay, we need to cut this shit out from the source. So they pull up on Debbie Mon, and Debbie Mon was too much for them, until they come to realize that TK, who had fucking Angiomon, angiomon was enough for Debbie Mon, but Debbie Mon had to taunt them, saying like, oh well, you think, oh, I'm bad, like I'm just, I'm only a champion level Digimon, like there's Digimon like way stronger than me, so good luck with them. But the funny thing is I like how the explanation of when Debbie Mon and Angiomon was both disappearing into the ether and you might just came back as an egg and then you know, pat, I'm on revive and the difference was that the reason why Angiomon was able to regenerate by Debbie Mon couldn't is because Debbie Mon was a virus type and Angiomon was a vaccine type and most of the rest of the Digimon is like data type, like you kind of learn this when you play Digimon, Cyberslute, like especially hackers memory.

Speaker 1: 17:54

I will recommend that, by the way, where you find out these different types of Digimon. Also, let's talk about Digi-volution real quick to where Cyberslute does a very good job showing you how, with these different Digimon where it's like the baby form, the end training form, the rookie form and all that, it gives you a breakdown on all the different ways that this Digimon can evolve depending on the certain condition that you want to make it. So there's multiple ways that Digimon can digivolve. It just really depends on where you're going with it and that's very prevalent with SkullGreymon to where, when Ty was so obsessed with I know we're kind of jumping a little bit, but then again I pretty much explained to Debbie Mon Ark already by the time you get to Edmon.

Speaker 1: 18:46

Ty was so obsessed with beating Edmon that he was trying to force Graymon to digivolve and all that shit. It was like his obsession fueled the Digi-volution into SkullGreymon and SkullGreymon was just going crazy and Ty just immediately started regretting his own actions, implanted his own negative emotions onto Graymon. And this isn't the last time you see shit like this. We see this again in Digimon Tamers, when Ticado was forcing Guillaman Groumon whatever form he was in to pushing his limits to a point to where it started to look ugly, and we're going to explain that more when we get there. But essentially Digi-volution does depend on the tamer, the Digi-destin, whatever you want to call, and that's why I like Digimon way better, because the way they go about it is like there's a system and a certain maturity that Pokemon could never do.

Speaker 2: 19:49

True, but it's also one of the biggest things too, while just pretty much quickly mentioned, since we're talking about Digi-volution, is the fact that, remember, one of the biggest one-ups that some people like Digimon better than Pokemon about is that if evolution wasn't permanent, Right, yes, I mean I mentioned that how you can always go back to like rookie form whenever you're like tapped out of strength.

Speaker 1: 20:12

It's kind of like Saiyans and I know the middle bunch of Dragon Ball references but it's like Saiyans where they don't always stay in super Saiyan form. It's like you can always go back to your base form.

Speaker 2: 20:25

It's actually very important too, because there's been many cases where their evolutions have them go such giant sized. So then the problem comes that when they're so big, they can't fit into all these different spots. So sometimes, in order to be able to move forward into a different area, they had to be smaller. So then the benefit becomes hey, I don't have to be huge, I can shrink down a little bit and then, boom, I'm now able to kind of like, proceed through where I need to proceed at and stuff. So one of them being very important in that little regard too. Yeah, but being able to utilize I mean, if you're making Dragon Ball Z references, you already did it's one of the things like where Vegeta was one of the first to show in with the fact of switching between Super Saiyan blue and Super Saiyan red, where, like, super Saiyan, gods are saying, but in the fact that one has greater power, but you got that expensive power, it reduces speed, so one has faster speed. So it's like, by being able to switch between as you need to, was able to conserve your own energy as needed as need be.

Speaker 2: 21:29

There would be some cases where, sure, let's say, you're going up against a fucking giant fire demon Digimon. Why would you digivolve your fire type to be more powerful in fire against another fire type versus? You have a water power Digimon that you can digivolve up to Right, but then there's also one of those things like why would you waste all this power into it? Then also, let's say, in order to get into this area, you still have to have a fire person who's resistant. But the fire person is too big to fit through this small hole, so did you evolve back down? You can fit through then, and it's like it makes stuff beneficial to like work with the story. So it's one of the things you kind of liked into that, since you quickly breeze past Devimon.

Speaker 1: 22:15

I mean I didn't mean to, but like that was a general vibe of what the Devimon arc was. But go ahead.

Speaker 2: 22:21

True Devimon arc. We wanted to be pretty interesting as far as our start. So it's a very start into this and it was one of our greatest things that we enjoyed in that. Hey, you don't, I'm actually super strong, like, but I'm nowhere near as strong as you think I am. So it's like you thought that I was the strongest, but no, there's someone even more powerful than me. Are you ready for that? No, yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:03

So I'm trying to collect my thoughts onto this one real quick. I might have like no, no, no, you forgive me. Forgive me, I stopped because I realized I was about to go into a rant, but I'm like no, I got this.

Speaker 1: 23:14

My bad. All I thought about was my connection was on game one, so I thought, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2: 23:20

You get only pause for a second, so it might have been me, but no. But as it's our introduction, we get a chance to go into like how powerful the person that not really was. So much this is not my final form, but it's like you think that I'm bad but it's going to be better. I was about to rant because I was going straight into my favorite series, my favorite anime. You hawker show, where. Remember that whole big twist that happened there where they went against the two girl brothers, and then you're like, oh, he was only a B class, what the fuck? There's people.

Speaker 1: 23:53

And no, I like. I like the genuine surprise where, as an audience member and in the show, we were like really surprised that the Togoros were B rank at best. I was like what?

Speaker 2: 24:06

And the night they weren't even upper B ranks at that either. They were lower B ranks and you're like, excuse me, what? So then, when you found out having this situation happen with Devimon, it was, it was hilarious, it wasn't, it was insane, because what wound up happening was it's just that. Keep in mind, devimon is so powerful. Everyone has Digivolts with minus TK, minus Patagon TK, but everyone else has Digivolts into their champion forms. Everyone is like trying to go in this is their strongest forms they have right now. They're, as far as we know, as the audience. By this point, there was no higher evolution yet, because Devimon is a champion form and he's controlling all the Digimon. He's the most powerful that we know of at this point. So it's like this is the most powerful and all of us combined is still nowhere near his power. Like what the hell's going on. And then, finally, we get Angel, finally get Angermon. But for him to actually win, he has to literally kamikaze himself. He has to literally put all of his power and sacrifice himself in order to.

Speaker 2: 25:12

Right. And so you're just like holy crap, this dude is so fucking powerful. But then, as everyone's fading, he's like Dude, I'm nothing compared to the other shit that's out there. You're like what the fuck? They're like everyone straight up tried to jump this nigga. He was like in nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, only our foot.

Speaker 1: 25:43

Once again. That's why the whole Pokemon reference to where the main reason why and your mom was not successful and the resume weren't, was that and I had a type of bandage against every month.

Speaker 2: 25:54

True, because that was one of the biggest things and they didn't really explain it as much into the anime, I will say is one thing that was explained much better into the mahogany in the video game mostly the video games, like you said, definitely, where they actually did much more explanation into that. But, um, it's those, one of those things like holy crap. That was important. But then, also, keeping in mind the angiomon Wasn't just a type advantage, as we'll also see later on, it wasn't just a type advantage per se, but because of the type of digimon that he was, like you said, being a vaccine type Digimon. So that's one of the other things too he is a much stronger champion than everyone else and that there is a particular reason into that. So, but we'll give, but that's gonna be like a little bit further, I think. What the pocramon? Yeah, because we can get further. No night, but yeah. So, but yeah, it's just like Debbie mom wound up.

Speaker 2: 26:50

That whole arc was pretty interesting because we're getting the same chance to see their adventure. Everyone's unlocking their forms, it was locking their new abilities and they're like I feel powerful enough and think we're ready to go ahead and take on this big bad. And it's like not only were we not powerful enough to take on this big bad, we absolutely was nowhere near strong enough to handle this. And there's even worse out there. How are we gonna do this? And then we wound up getting a chance where it's like what was? It was old guys named Gemma Jen I.

Speaker 1: 27:20

Yeah, Jenna.

Speaker 2: 27:21

Jenna. So then we find out, you know, oh, he's been blocking Jenna this whole time from being able to speak to anybody, and so finally he's gone and, jenna, we have another person that's kind of helped, directing them where to go on to next, and I think that's pretty much where you left off at my bed.

Speaker 1: 27:37

Oh yeah, okay, you good, you good. But also, can I add on, with Jenna, that also is easy with that fucking laptop was coming in clutch For the most part to where, oh, right direction. So like, yeah, now, okay, edamon arc Essentially this old spent level monkey with motherfucker, with the Elvis Presley Axon, all that shit he essentially has control over the Digimon server network, which is like the information highway of the Digimon world to where it's kind of crazy when you think about it, to where the digital world is like a Person, a fantasy Representation of what we perceive as the internet to be. So it's kind of wild and kind of interesting, to where it's like essentially the way they perceive the server network is kind of the way the internet works. So essentially, edamon had control over the information highway and he was able to all fucking manipulate to where he wants to and he needs to get rid of these. Did you destined? That's all fucking up his plan. So you know what I could say before.

Speaker 1: 28:52

They were trying to beat this guy, but they're not strong enough on their current level. So they know that they have to go to the ultimate level and get their crest and get them activated and whatnot, and Ty was Doing the most, trying to force on great months of reach that level. But it took trying to use bravery in the fact that you might not be strong enough to Beat Edamon at your current level, but you have to at least try. So that's what really drove the true digital evolution to metal gray mod. And then ultimately he fought Edamon and they won. But there was the distortion because you know Edamon, he had this rival, datamon, and they had this rivalry going on and then eventually Edamon was able to kill datamon and Fuse with him in order to become this fully powered version of himself. And then he was like distorted in the digital world and whatnot.

Speaker 1: 29:52

And then, once metal gray mon and Ty defeats Edamon, there's this distortion that pulls Ty and Metal gray my into their, the rest of teams like kind of confused, what the fuck just happened? Kind of like what happened on End of the Sun's shadow, season two. But Ty gets up back into the real world and Gets reintroduced I mean what, not reintroduced, but uh, reunites with his sister Kari and Must do their surprise. They sees from me with all Coramon or Corai mon. You know the in training version of Agamon and you know there's this whole thing about her being the eight-child and I was playing that when we get to the miles, mom Art, but essentially that's the Edamon art to Stand to where it's like, okay, just another big bad fight. But also we this started to Bleed into the my oldest month art which really set the tone for Digimon as a whole, to where, okay, now the events of the digital world is gonna have an effect on the real but, um, any notes on the Edamon art. So we got a like Edamon.

Speaker 2: 31:04

To be honest with you, he felt like a weak villain because in fact he was a little bit stronger. This is a monkey that did a horrible Elvis impressive. Here's the thing. Obviously, as you know you, we don't like, we, we're not a big fan of Elvis. His music obviously has been a big staple in Music history, like obviously.

Speaker 1: 31:29

Oh, oh okay. I see that one epic rap battle video with Elvis press. We've heard Michael Jackson where he was like I stole my muse from black people. Why are you offended?

Speaker 2: 31:40

That part, that part exactly. Anyway, that's a whole discussion in itself, but no for real though.

Speaker 1: 31:52

See horrible Elvis you know I'm sorry for D reeling, but I just want to just point out to where it, with epic rap battles, they really make you want to dive into the history of some of these people to where, like, they Mentioned the accurate history of them in such a way to our light. Wait, hold on, that happened.

Speaker 2: 32:08

Yeah, people don't know you you look into. You're like holy crap, and I used to like this person, yeah, but no, it's um I. I really didn't like him. He was. He was very aggravating All the time and it felt like his plan was stupid. Like to be honest, okay, you get your power from the, get your power directly from the server, but other than that, you're like, oh, I'm gonna fuse. No, I'm gonna take over the world. I'm like how is it?

Speaker 1: 32:40

really like a cartoon, as megalomania Type thing is worth like. Really is more like okay, this is more like the next villain of the we were like with every month is set a tone for what we should expect from digital as a whole. But really with Edamon is just felt like okay, we just need to them. I have a bad guy to be it up before we get to the real shit.

Speaker 2: 33:01

Right, that's, that's exactly how it fell into that. So it was kind of like whatever this are primarily for me is, it's definitely gonna be on the character development and understanding what it means that these crests really mean. So for one thing that I will say I've looked at actually several videos, even before the one we had that you had shared as well too, and one of the things about it is that it's a heart base to touch into courage and cowardice Courage, being able to take the steps that you need in Doing the best that you can, understanding that as a possibility, it may fail, but you're still doing your best. Cowardice in desperation Most people don't realize that when, when you're at your very lowest, it shows who you are as a person.

Speaker 2: 33:49

We've talked about this before the podcast too, and this is one of the things that happen with Ty. He was in a moment of desperation, he was losing, they were all in a cage, edamon was winning and it was like what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? Nothing is working, nothing is working. How can we do this? And then he's like make it happen, make it happen, you're gonna do it. And it's like, at that point, cowardice forces people to do things that they're not comfortable with. It was at that point that Greymon wound up just it. He didn't feel empowered To transform, he felt fearful.

Speaker 1: 34:30

That's too like you felt. Go to.

Speaker 2: 34:33

He felt exactly you forced to that exactly, and that's what cowardice comes into play. So, out of fear, he transformed, and that's what caused him to transform into Skull Greymon, and Skull Greymon is an absolute rampaging monster with the literal nuke on his back. One of the biggest things that should be happen by is that he did not set off his nuke, but you didn't get a chance to see Skull Greymon set off a nuke like later on in my God, that's a fearful thing.

Speaker 1: 35:00

It's like a high-five. Oh shit, good thing he didn't do that.

Speaker 2: 35:04

Right, because that was one of those ones you like. Oh my god, that is a tactical nuke.

Speaker 1: 35:07

That shit is actually bad and you're like huh, look back at tires like see, that could have been us if you didn't fuck around exactly, just one.

Speaker 2: 35:21

You only got just one rocket. That's it. That's all the fucking needs, is just one.

Speaker 1: 35:25

Hey, like what Tony Stark says, like you don't need a weapon that never used, you need the weapon that only need to be used once, once, exactly Exactly.

Speaker 2: 35:37

So, yeah and so, but that was one of the most important moments that we have and to the fact that how does it feel for our natural born leader to fall? Because, keep in mind onto this, he had that moment. And then we wound up having moments where everybody started faltering Because they were, because they didn't trust him, like they were nervous about it, even to the point. Ty was nervous of digivolving, was nervous even to digivolve into Greymon, like he's just like, I don't want you to digivolve anymore. And he was fearful. And that's where we had that one moment that happened, where Pokemon failed, but did you mind, succeeded? Pokemon failed because that we all know.

Speaker 2: 36:19

The main reason that Pikachu never did evolve was because the creed was because of, not the creators, but the publishers thought that if put, if Pikachu wound up digivolving into Raichu, that it wouldn't sell anymore because, remember, pikachu was not supposed to be the original mascot, it was the fan favorite and so he became the mascot. But if he did evolve in the right, you people would not was scared that it was not gonna work, that there was not gonna be able to digivolve into that, that it was not gonna be. It not, did you off. He was not gonna be able to be the arm if he evolved. He was no longer gonna be the good point into that. He was no longer gonna be the selling point. It was no longer gonna work anymore. So when we had that one episode where ash was crying, he was like no, don't digivolve, no, don't digivolve. And so he wanted to revert him back and so it wanted to be in that most fearful moment.

Speaker 2: 37:08

If you're like dang, you know just if I asked long enough, nothing will change. Nothing will change. But Ty realized that in order to move forward, you have to try again. You may have failed. You failed one time, yes, because you were desperate, but now you need to take the courage to move forward. And finally we got a chance to see metal brain on, and so it's like Pokemon failed at that. That was a big thing for me. It's like you absolutely failed in the fact that you would make people kids feel if it's about screaming or crying enough, then things are gonna stay the same. But that's not how that works.

Speaker 1: 37:48

You know what you reminded me of, how I Didn't. I don't think I mentioned this in the nerdy news special, but it does remind me of how Carl Weathers, um passed away recently and I still remember, uh, one of the most iconic lines that you ever said in the rockin movies, where there is no tomorrow. There is no tomorrow. I'm like you gotta, you know, if you failed. Like you gotta try to get back on the horse like you don't got. A whole lot of times, you know uh, because you know the world's on the line. So you can't just like um twirl your fingers like you gotta try something. I understand with um Ty's situation to where, um, he had to try something, but it's more like um, the whole point is it's like you got to be brave in the face of adversity, even if the odds are stacked against you mm-hmm, and so yeah, but yeah, so that was kind of biggest thing is that we had enough to having that arc of being able to see how things falter.

Speaker 2: 38:52

And so keep in mind to this, everyone, finally, everyone, finally, except to tie back, okay, he's the leader game. We got this one. The point, you know, work, um, metal gray mom, that war sorry, metal gray mom has finally, um, defeated this fine, defeated the new big bad. Everything seems to be going well, and then warp reality, and now our leader is gone. You're like what? Oh, something to keep in mind.

Speaker 1: 39:24

I didn't tell me how my supposed to live without you. But so this is also something very I did.

Speaker 2: 39:29

I did find very interesting looking this up, part Um being prepared for our review, um and it. I was inspired by the video that you had sent me into this. So the movie, the first digimon movie that we got, where it actually explains how it is that kind of actually um Knows who, who he is, who.

Speaker 1: 39:53

Well, really, the digimon movie was like a combination of like uh, yes, you're right, but it's like a combination of the too short um digimon films, like um the digimon um film, like what happened eight years prior and then what happened four years later in our war game, and then there's, uh, a little bit of digimon adventure two. Well, it was called uh something, uh, it was called digimon adventure two, part one. Uh, digimon herp came landing and supreme evolution, the golden. Uh, digi mentels. Yeah, it was like a combination of that.

Speaker 2: 40:43

Gotcha Well, so how about? One funny thing about it Is that hold on, hold on real quick.

Speaker 1: 40:47

I like how our war game was later served as the inspiration for summer war. So I like no wonder why summer wars felt so similar to that digimon movie.

Speaker 2: 40:58

I did not know that, uh, okay, well, so how about the morning was actually um began production? How about, um the the movie had began? It was beginning production actually before the animated series was.

Speaker 1: 41:13

That makes sense.

Speaker 2: 41:15

And so it is one of those ones that is like you can see how they purposely had that to be tied into the story. So pre-writing of the story fantastic, love that, um, but then also is one of those things like, too of, like, dang, y'all really fucking failed in the animation. Why did y'all have to go pokemon style animation? The movie was gorgeous, like, um, just what it could have been, could have been better than demon slayer. I mean, we're not trying to hate on demon slayer, but I'm like come on.

Speaker 2: 41:51

Long time you haven't been know how I feel about demon slayer bro, I'm like if you haven't been the trenches long enough, I'm like come on. That's my, that's my shout out for all y'all long time fans who've been listening to it's been listening to us for a while. Thank y'all so much, thank you so much. But I know y'all understand what I mean by that. But Digimon had way more better, had way more going to it than just the animation. Definitely that movie I mean the animation for the movie.

Speaker 1: 42:19

It was gorgeous, not going to lie, but like Digimon, had that fucking, the fleshed out character, the fucking, you know, the meat on the bones you know exactly exactly Like just, and the bone cooked fantastically, gave it excellent broth while cooking, too, Got me hungry.

Speaker 2: 42:38

But for reals though, that's how that was my second that was my feelings into the second part, into it. It was mostly for understanding our character development. And then we get a chance to finally see Tye's back in the real world trying to figure out how he's. How is he going to get back? He's got to figure things out. Well, at the same time I need to hide my Digimon because everyone's like oh, it's a cute little stuff, plushie.

Speaker 2: 42:58

Yeah, meanwhile, kari is like I know who you are, but it's also one of those ones too. That's very interesting that when you understand, based on to the movie, none of the other Digi Destin remember who they are. And I like how technically, we get an explanation from it in the third in, like the third arc per se, where the real reasoning behind it is the fact that you know, everyone else's crest was taken from them Except Kairi's. At the time he was not able to recover everything from Kairi, so she, so she was able to retain more of a memory, unlike everybody else Nobody. Everyone else is like oh, there was that big monster battle, but we had no idea really what it was. But Kairi's the only one that's like oh, I know exactly what this was Like, I know exactly what was happening, type of thing.

Speaker 2: 43:50

Okay, hold on it's all tied to the crest.

Speaker 1: 43:53

All right, so let's just go ahead and roll right into the Myotis Mon art to where, since we Myotis Mon, this vampire looking motherfucker, he wants to make sure that the prophecy doesn't come true, to where you know where. Again, I was saying that all this great, this terrible beast is going to show up at the hour of you know, at a certain hour, and then the angels of hope and light is going to shoot the arrows at the low ones that they're sent to protect. And a miracle happened. You know some shit like that.

Speaker 1: 44:29

And essentially, myotis Mon was like oh fuck, no, he pulled a fucking beerous move to where I'm like okay, I need to stop this eighth digit destined before I get fucking eliminated. You know what I'm saying. So he went as far as okay, so the eighth child is not on the digital world, so I need to go to the real world and find these children. So he did a fucking like one of those moves where you know I remember playing Spider-Man, the first one and you know Martin Lee had like a whole bunch of people held hostage. It felt like that's where they were in this like strip mall, and he had all these children locked up and was like all right, so which one are? Y'all are the eighth child.

Speaker 2: 45:12

I was like who is it?

Speaker 1: 45:13

It was like fucking all life. You know more than Eddie Murphy and fucking superintendent found out that one of the inmates can't get right. Well, he doesn't know that, but can't get right on and predinate his daughter and I was like where?

Speaker 2: 45:32

is it I want?

Speaker 1: 45:33

them out here, I'll bring them out there. Let me feel and try to figure out who the eighth child was. Turns out it was Kari, but the thing was he had got to month. Who was Kari's partner? And the crest? Well, no, he had the crest. I think she had the crest the whole time. But essentially the whole thing was with Genni the whole reason why his importance to the story, where it's like, yeah, my little mom was trying to prevent all y'all from getting together and trying to stop them. So I recovered most of the stuff, like I got the digivices, I got most of the eggs, I got the crest. I just didn't get on fucking Kari's digi egg. I couldn't get that in that end up in Gotham. Oh well, gotham and the crest was in his possession, but she didn't, he didn't have the digivice, he didn't have Kari's digivice and Genni had that.

Speaker 1: 46:30

Okay, here you go, there you go. And then you know, Gotham was able to digivise into Angel Woman. And oh, Angel. You say Angel Woman, he's good, I mean is that what you translated Angel Woman.

Speaker 2: 46:48

Is this the?

Speaker 1: 46:48

way. Oh, oh, right, okay, okay, I see why.

Speaker 2: 46:52

Everything is Mon, like it still ends in Mon. But you want the funniest jokes against Pokemon forever.

Speaker 1: 46:58

But you, yeah, I see why I did that, but I was like the way it rolled off the tongue is like you, just Okay, okay.

Speaker 2: 47:06

Look, if you One more, If you look it up, it looks like Angel Woman. It looks like Angel Woman. But then if you pay attention that it's not M? E N, is M? O and Angel Woman.

Speaker 1: 47:20

Oh my God, that's Angel Woman, jesus Christ, oh, finally transformed. And and Mon. Both of them shoot arrows at Ty and Matt, so that way, ty and Matt, digimon Agamon and Goblin Mon is able to dig, evolved into Mega. Yes.

Speaker 2: 47:47

Yep I believe More Yep Mega form, wargreymon and Metal Garoumon.

Speaker 1: 47:52

Yeah, okay, I was thinking that because I was like, hold on, when did the rest of them? Okay, that was like when, in the middle of the Mairos, mon or I was like wait, hold on. When did the rest of them get Ultimate Love? Yeah?

Speaker 2: 48:05

Yep, everyone got it. During that time, like during the mix, like half of it. Half of them found something like not have, like I think like two or three of them found, which would be half actually. So about half of them found their their own ultimate rev, ultimate evolutions during the time that Ty was trying to find his way back. And then when Ty found his way back, then the rest of them found theirs. Okay, yeah, I'm going to get some other. Gets my Otis Mons enemies is going up, is his lieutenants and stuff as well too.

Speaker 1: 48:33

So, yeah, now I want to make sure I wasn't missing something. But yeah, go ahead, Go ahead. This is one of the things that always confused me.

Speaker 2: 48:40

How the hell is God's a modern champion for him?

Speaker 1: 48:43

Yeah, I'll tell you like rookie, like what, though? No, that's like fucking. How I felt about Neiman from Digimon Frontier. We're like wait a minute. This dopey looking rabbit, looking motherfucker with the fucking bread pajamas is mega level for real.

Speaker 2: 48:59

Pretty much. I mean, I already told you before I didn't like Edamon, because the fact that like, oh, he's an ultimate level, I'm like you're an ultimate level and you look like a dancing monkey with a microphone.

Speaker 1: 49:11

Hey listen, I think you got no the means. The means to where it's like the Pokemon evolution like makes a little bit more sense to where it's like. Okay, at least it looks like the previous evolution Digimon is like it can go from looking like a cat to a fucking.

Speaker 2: 49:28

Yeah, I just, I can't.

Speaker 1: 49:34

I will say someone, you just want to be a motherfucker, you know.

Speaker 2: 49:37

I had to wonder look into this one, because soon the fact that, like God's a man, like now, stays in her champion form as her regular form, as her base form, like everyone else is in their rookie form, as their base form, and everyone looks the same type of thing, but it's literally the fact that she is so weak. But it does make sense and I will say this is one of those ones that I will adapt and let someone give me something a little bit better. But I did get some from Cora, which is no form of Reddit per se, because why is it that God's a man is in her champion form but is so weak? And one of the things that wound up talks about it, that some people wound up mentioning is this keep in mind, obviously we're going to get more into it when it gets up Pokemon and just a moment, because we're not going to take as long on this but Gautamon achieved her champion form by herself, so most Digimon need a partner to help them digivolve.

Speaker 2: 50:34

There are some that are able to, but it takes an immense amount of power. If you are a fan of bleach, think of it like the hollows per se, except there wasn't as gruesome they didn't have to eat each other, but they did have to fight each other and beat and beat each other. So you could go around with your friend and you could probably make a friend. You could go fight against other Digimon and try to like, get experienced points and level yourself up that way. But it took so long to do so. And keep in mind, if you lose you would digivolve back, so you could literally lose all of your progress from one loss.

Speaker 1: 51:12

That kind of reminds you of fucking a cell world where it's kind of hard to level up but really easy to level down and that's it Right.

Speaker 2: 51:20

And it's like dang, I can lose it all, like I have to be on perfect Like forever. So, keeping in mind onto this, gautamon was able to achieve her own, but she achieved it under Mayotas mom, which means that a lot of her wins were cheap skated and it was wanted to be in cheap and against her. So that's what this is an idea where somebody says might have wanted to be into. It is that so her and her champion form winds up being about the same power, were a little bit stronger, but roughly just only slightly stronger than everyone else in their rookie form. Because of the fact that it's just how she, how it was that she wound up attaining her champion form. There's a possibility. Her champion form was not supposed to be so small and was not supposed to be so weak. It probably was going to be much stronger had she been able to find Kyrie earlier. But because of what my oldest mom did, he purposely wound up weakening his greatest opposition because it was supposed to be the angels that he knew that it was going to be one of. Either it was going to be her and one other one that was going to cause his defeat. So he purposely weakened her. So she was up actually having a permanent weakness due to a virus. That's just an idea, that kind of goes into that.

Speaker 2: 52:39

But, bro, I was just sitting here like how is it, this is your champion form and you look like a rookie, and if I have somebody else transform their champion form, they can kind of stop your behind. Like to be honest with you, like at first when she went through she was strong and he was like, oh so she's small but she's really quick and agile and she actually can take down another champion. But it wasn't too much longer that the other champions started outclassing her in their champion forms and it was like it didn't really make as much of a difference since, when it's like, why are you doing so? It was like, okay, this just felt kind of weak, but I would just take into that one.

Speaker 2: 53:16

My oldest modern probably had something to do to purposely weaken her, so that way she couldn't oppose him, not realizing that it was still another form after that. It wasn't the champion form that he had to be fear fearful of, it was the ultimate form he had to be fearful of, stuff. Like, okay, I guess that's the only thing I got. So I don't know.

Speaker 2: 53:37

I got one of the funniest things into this too is like how much are you willing to fulfill the prophecy You're talking about like, hey, so my Digimon has. So your Digimon has to shoot my Digimon in the chest with an arrow? Like, shoot us with an arrow. I mean, I guess the worst that happened, though, just did you don't go back into an egg, but this is probably at the time. No, no, no, no, no, not your Digimon, your Digimon, you excuse me, they have to shoot you with the arrow. You're like wait a second. We, not Digimon, we don't just did you fall back. If I die, I die. There's no coming back. There's no second chance. This is not ready player one, there is no. There is no alternate life. There is no life one. This is not Scott Pilgrim, and I'm just popping the change and then reboot as a baby later on. This does not happen. If I die, I'm gone. The fuck you talking about. You got to shoot me with an arrow.

Speaker 1: 54:49

It's like that one scene I'm sorry for all the Dragon Ball references, but from Dragon Ball, the bridge, to where essentially you know, goku, gohan, they were all fighting Vegeta during the same invasion arc and the part where, okay, goku was trying to make the spirit ball on the spirit bomb and then gave it a Krillin and then Krillin on through it and then miss that like God damn it, and then it was flying right at Gohan and it was like Gohan, you got to bounce it back and I was like I don't know, I don't think you can go and work like that. And I was like I know you can do it, gohan, I believe in you. And I was like, okay, well, if you believe me, or it can go horribly wrong, until you're like wait what?

Speaker 2: 55:45

You're not wrong, but yeah, but I did want him liking this arc. First off, keep in mind of this this arc made me fearful of clowns. That and like, I watched an it movie when I was a kid, when I wasn't supposed to watch it, so that also has something to do with it, but I was afraid of clowns. Keep in mind this nigga did every time. He just did a magic trick. I will never get over the fact that he literally just like have nothing up my sleeve, pulls out a damn rag and he's like nothing on this side, nothing on this side, throws it and turns everybody into key chains. It was like you know you're mentioning it.

Speaker 1: 56:27

Reminds will go ahead and get into the apoclymon slash dark master. The reason why I'm telling you that is because it's mostly like on Python, the clown and all these other dark masters. But you we all know Python was like the main one of the dark masters. Essentially, did you just have to fight the dark masters? Eventually you get the Python at the top time against Python, at the top time against Python. And then, even after they defeat Python, they come to find out that the dark masters was created by the same three motherfuckers that was defeated on last time. So you're thinking like, oh well, they weren't really gone, but they were like in the cut, like they were in the shadows trying to orchestrate this bigger plot to where I was like, oh, these motherfuckers think they're all that trying to take, trying to overthrow our domain on digital world. So tell you what?

Speaker 2: 57:19

we just turned out to be Territory wars. Yeah, this territory wars. That's all it was.

Speaker 1: 57:23

Yeah. So they like you know what. Let's team up and beat these kids once and for all. And they just kind of in a weird way they look like a fusion of Mainly Debbie Mon and my oldest my life. I didn't see any of Edamon in him.

Speaker 2: 57:40

Personally, thank God, thank.

Speaker 1: 57:41

God, I'm like, if you, if you were like a fucking being, pirate, devil, monkey, I will lose it.

Speaker 1: 57:52

But yeah, since we have Parkway, mom was like, okay, this is where the part where it kind of felt like a dung on romp a moment.

Speaker 1: 58:01

It's going to be kind of like that throughout the other seasons too. But essentially with Apoclymon, the Digi Destin was up against this whole hope versus despair type things, where Apoclymon was the embodiment of the spirits, where essentially, um, they were trying to make um, the Digi Destin all depressed and fearful while the Digimon started the uh, the evolution, um, you know, devolving, let's say that they were devolving and it was like, uh, apoclymon was trying to weaken, uh, the Digi Destin and he even got to a point where he sent them to this, uh, this purgatory type, uh, plane of existence where they were like all this binary code flying around and they just felt so lost and hopeless. But they remember, oh, wait, hold on. We've been through tough times before, this is no different. Yeah, you're right, we're the Digi Destin, we can do this. And then all those fears go away. And then Apoclymon was like wait, fuck. And then, you know, end up defeating him too.

Speaker 1: 59:09

And really much. And oh yeah, also I forgot to mention that, um, when been a myosmon, back came the myosmon art to where they were having a tough time defeating him when he was like this uh, reckless monster above Peace, and then it took the power, friendship, to have the crest like form, like this lasso, or I try to contain him, like I was trying to hold him down long enough for all the Digimon to like gang up on him.

Speaker 2: 59:39

We should understand that the Digi devices was the biggest plot device in the entire show.

Speaker 1: 59:44

I'm like if I've been a myosmon, I'm like man, y'all see you.

Speaker 2: 59:49

That's pretty much just out of nowhere. It was like, oh my gosh, we're desperate Digi devices. All right, it's time for us to unveil our true power. He is a time Right. They say smoking up, we hold down the main character, man down the main villains. Now you, he carries escape from your attack. Full of legend tech, he can't run away. No, it is the same thing for Pokemon. He's like you know what he's do? Say dude pulls a fucking dog. You know what I'm starting to do? The damn Dragon Balls. He referenced him. He does a damn sale moment and says fuck it, I'm going to blow myself up and everything with me. And then these devices. All right, it's like mocking the time in court for his to kill and it just was like this is all to work when you think about it.

Speaker 2: 1:00:36

Explosion that can destroy two worlds at the same time. How fucking powerful is this Digi devices that they contain A multiversal nuke.

Speaker 1: 1:00:49

It's like between the Zamatsu arc and watching Marvel's whatever. It's like one of those things where, ok, clearly we can defeat this guy outright. So the best thing to do is like kind of contain it, kind of like you use the kinds into where you know you can't kill gojo salt through outright, so you have to contain them in this infinity.

Speaker 2: 1:01:08

Right, right, pretty much, but I think it was. I was just watching the video or someone just like, I call it the go. He said I called it the gojo thing. He was like man, I'm going to be like. I'm going to be like because he said that pretty much that same thing is like when someone is just you need them out the way, you just seal them away.

Speaker 1: 1:01:26

The mop.

Speaker 2: 1:01:28

Right. Pretty much it's like you know what. No one can defeat you now, but maybe in like a hundred or a thousand years, somebody would be powerful enough to be able to finally kill you or convert you to good somehow, who knows? And all of a sudden.

Speaker 1: 1:01:41

It really depends on what show you think.

Speaker 2: 1:01:45

It really depends what you do. Hold on, let's be honest here, ok. So, first off, nobody could defeat Demon King Piccolo, so he was sealed away. Hundred years later, goku was able to do it. All right, naruto, no one could really defeat Madara, all like that, so they still him away. Comes back, kaguya finally kills. And then, of course, kaguya was being sealed away for a super long time. Comes back. Oh, naruto is asking to kill him. Bleach the king of the Quincy's. He himself was sealing away because he couldn't be fully finished off. Comes back. Each of you go kills. Do I need to keep going?

Speaker 1: 1:02:24

I think you're good.

Speaker 2: 1:02:28

This is pretty much an anime plot device. I had my plan for thousands of years. Yeah, you were sealed away.

Speaker 1: 1:02:34

It's almost like saying it's almost like saying, oh, the creator realized that they written themselves into a corner. To where they're like oh shit, I made this character to OP. I need a certain plot device where I'm like OK, in case I written myself into a corner, I can always say OK, they have to contain him in some sort of device In order to he's not dead. But they never really killed him, but it's more like they did beat him, but they didn't kill.

Speaker 2: 1:03:02

Exactly Hell, were you good from Beyblade? We have power, friendship. And then he still never got fully defeated until the very fucking end of the series. It was a God, literally a God had to beat him like an actual God had to be friends.

Speaker 1: 1:03:19

Broly the fact that it's a Super Sam Blue fusion for Godzilla to beat him but didn't kill him. The guy like, ok, we're going to keep him for later.

Speaker 2: 1:03:31

But like you know, he's right back in the seal part, right. Remember, the king of Jesus said he was entirely too powerful and sent and sent him away to a desk to a desolate planet and locked him away there until he died. And all of a sudden he's awakened back again and it takes like a special godly power to kill. I'm just saying this is the main anime plot device. But for real, them damn. Digivice is this absolute Deus Ex Machina plot device that I don't know where. And here comes the plot Out of nowhere. Here's the thing. Obviously, if the Digivice is this strong, this means the Digivice has had the ability to have locked away every single enemy from the beginning.

Speaker 1: 1:04:18

You know what it's like. They throw like when I say big stroking, I mean, like you know, the stakes are getting high, the drama, the drill is getting really high. It's almost like this climate. Is you like, I'm almost there, I'm almost there, and then next thing you know, it's like this Deus Ex Machina?

Speaker 2: 1:04:35

No, you know, thinking about it, had to be eight, because the cube has eight points. You had to have had to activate all eight Digivices at the same time. It was the only way for it to work. This Deus Ex Machina had a limitation. There we go. That was the only limitation, yeah, but I like the last because we can run through time. But like the last arc, I wanted to be in very, I want to be in stress again, like clown was the only one that really was worth it and like honestly, I forgot about the Apocalypse Mon, like I remember Piedmon more than Apocalypse Mon, honestly this is true because Apocalypse Mon was so short, Like his was a very diverse thing.

Speaker 2: 1:05:15

Keep in mind onto this Apocalypse Mon. What he tried to do was the same thing that what happened in the part two of the Digimon movie with that that damn virus. I can't remember his name, but that that's. It was curious. He's like a damn.

Speaker 1: 1:05:28

Oh, I know it's the. I know, yeah, the guy that was like kind of lanky into it Like yeah, it was like a giant spider type thing.

Speaker 2: 1:05:37

Yeah, literally, I actually was able to block up, was able to separate the digital world and the real world and still was about to destroy both. Just absolute monster. But but no, it was one of those things like that's what kind of like what Apocalypse Mon was supposed to be, but it was very short, like keep in mind, since we spent almost the entire art going up against these four, I guess these four. I forgot what this is. I forgot what I was about to say.

Speaker 2: 1:06:04

I'm just my bad, but these four turf war, these four gang leaders, these turf leaders and stuff, and it's like we go up against them. This is the primary part, and then we also have a whole segment of the Aboard Mon.

Speaker 1: 1:06:17

That's what?

Speaker 2: 1:06:17

Yeah, ok. And then we wanted to have this, this whole moment where our digi destined have to split apart and they have to like base, they have to settle parts of their own lives because, like I mentioned before, we want to like I was mentioning before and I said we get to it now. Like they already had envisions on, like the second arc, of what the worst fears are going to be. Here we are in the fourth arc and now they actually are having to face them. Like now is fine, to that point where things are getting bad in their real lives and they have to actually face it. Like we have to talk to our parents. Like you guys have been divorced and this affected us.

Speaker 2: 1:06:53

I have not been able to see my little brother and not been able to see my big brother and I want to see my my brothers. Like mom, I need you to understand who I am as a person. Mom, I know you've been just trying to throw money at me all my life, but I need you to actually give me some attention because I want your attention. I love you, not the money that you keep giving me. Little sister, I love you and you know what I need to do better. Being a big brother like these are, they say. I need to understand like I've been scared, the fact that I've been adopted this whole time, and I know that it was the truth and and I now understand that, no matter what, you still love me, even if you're not, even if you're not my blood parents. You took me in and you've cared me for all these years because you actually care for me as if I am your own, and I now understand like these are fears that they all faced.

Speaker 1: 1:07:36

My emotion, my emotion.

Speaker 2: 1:07:39

And it was like I'm always scared of failing because my parents have lived a hard life and I need to make sure that I'm doing my best in school. I need to make sure I'm doing my best here because I have to get a good job and say you know what? I just need to do the best for me and I can finally move forward with my life.

Speaker 1: 1:07:53

Like these are real shit that they've been having to deal with before we just I'm sorry, cook, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I need a drink Right, I'm like these kids going through shit that we go through.

Speaker 2: 1:08:05

I like that was the point. That was the point, like Digimon was probably one of the main things that helped me understand why I have a more of an optimistic outlook in life, like I can't cry my way through shit. Ash did that and then she still never really worked out for him. He never evolved Pikachu, and he lost every fucking tournament until finally the very end, like he finally got his damn championship 25 years later. Good, but no, it's like life is no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1: 1:08:35

Let me, let me hold on. I like how he got his first win during the fucking the one generation that I fill up on the sun and moon generation. I'm like one generation with the weirdest animation scheme. That's the one where he wins.

Speaker 2: 1:08:52

I'm like OK, whatever, old time fans started falling off because it was like he's never going to win.

Speaker 1: 1:08:59

Yeah, exactly I was like man, you never go win one of these things. I'm like, wait, what? And then next, you know the very next one. He's like no, I'm going to win it. Oh, I'm like I'm going to go up against all the champions and fucking. I don't like really, ok, you know what, you know what? This is a clear sign that he's getting pushed out the whole narrative towards. Now we got those two new characters in the new Pokemon and I'm saying you're thinking like hey, yo, this is a perfect opportunity for Ash to come back growing up and look here, right, keep in mind.

Speaker 2: 1:09:29

Keep in mind. Remember, the original protagonist for the anime was supposed to be red, not ash. They just wound up changing it. This is one thing to keep in mind. It's that how many games was read the main character in One One? It was supposed to be in move on, it was the point, but no.

Speaker 2: 1:09:52

But as far as my final closing things is that, yeah, for Digimon, these characters went through what they had to go through. Like, yeah, this is what we're going through now. Like you just push and keep trying your best, things are going to falter. It happens. You're going to have falling out with friends. They had to fall out with each other right before the final battle. They had to fall out. They had to fix that and then finally come back and actually settle things. I can need to be settled and it was hard. And then, at the very end, they faced true depression. But these are everyone else's like you were able to keep pushing through, and this is like this is where Pokemon was actually more in, more deep than I thought he was until. Like, I went back and watched like review for this, he's depression personified. Yeah, keep in mind on this, and JB, this is one that's going to hit hard, so be prepared. If you don't have a drink in front of you, you might need one.

Speaker 1: 1:10:48

I got it in my hand.

Speaker 2: 1:10:51

This is important to understand. Think about what we're doing right now. We've been doing this for a long time. We've been doing this for a while now, a couple of years. There are some people who started off within a year, less than a year. They are now making thousands, if not possibly about a million dollars, doing what it is that we're doing right now, and that's a hard thing.

Speaker 2: 1:11:14

He is the personification of depression, of all the Digimon who have constantly tried and failed and failed and failed over and over again. They have tried countless times. They have probably made it all the way up that. Some of them were probably ones that made it up to champion form and they were defeated in the first season and sent all the way right back to baby form again and they couldn't control that. They wanted to get in control about Digimon and that would cause them. And so this is a depression of like I worked for years to get to this point and you got a cheat code. Your tamer, your digi-destined person, your partner showed up and you made it where I have been trying forever and I failed again and it's like I'm sick. That's a hard thing to have to realize. This is a dude. I follow Fredo.

Speaker 1: 1:12:22

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 2: 1:12:25

One of his biggest things. This is something I want you to understand. I only recently followed him this year, like this last year or last year, but his video is hilarious as shit. I do not know that he's actually. He even said himself he has been making content for 12 years. He's been making content and it got nowhere, and it wasn't until his 13th year. Do you know so many people hearing that there's like there's two ways to take that one? Don't give up, it's gonna come, even though he said to himself he said don't give up, it will make its way now. But then there's some people that's like I don't think I can wait that long and then give up.

Speaker 2: 1:13:08

And that's a fucking you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 1:13:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no. It's like, for the most part, this is nothing that I'm not. It's not like I'm unfamiliar with this shit. When I got into this shit, I knew that there was going to be times where it's going to be hard. I'm not going to knock it out of the park on my first try. We're not going to blow up in like our first year of getting serious.

Speaker 1: 1:13:32

Like, honestly, we've been doing the zone as a whole, even though, like, originally, it was originally called Nerd Nation. But I was like, nah, that sounds boring, that sounds unoriginal, that sounds uninspired, so let me just workshop the name a little bit. And then, next year, you know, I came up with Zeltz of Nerd Entertainment. Okay, cool, cool. And then, even then, it was just basically like a Facebook community we had. We didn't really didn't have much going on as original creators. And then I had to stop and think why the shit? Anyone give a fuck about what we're doing? And that's the main thing that drove me to where I'm like okay, what can we offer that people feel like, okay, here's some reasons why we should give a fuck about these guys. And then we eventually spitball some ideas to where we're now doing podcasts, 3d printing, where I'm getting to 3D modeling, I'm trying to get into game development and design, like I'm looking, of course, come to find out that I found a course that that pretty much helped me get to where I am now, to where I'm like I'm getting better at video editing, I'm getting good at graphic design, I'm going to work on 3D modeling and whatnot.

Speaker 1: 1:14:44

But the whole point being is that you got to keep at it, like, even though failure is on the table. It's like don't let that scare you from doing what you got to do. Like maybe it will take, like, take us, like I don't know, maybe another year, maybe five more years, maybe 10 more years, but I'll feel better knowing that I gave myself a fighting chance and got to a point where, yep, no, you know what, I never really got far with what we're doing, but at least I tried and I can feel happy doing that. But to just give up when there was opportunity on the table, I wouldn't even forgive myself for that. So that's why I would say, when I say our usual outro to where they nerdy my friends, great things are coming.

Speaker 1: 1:15:33

I'm pushing myself and inspiring myself. I'm not just saying that, just say that I'm keep on pushing myself to where I need to remind myself that, even when I have my doubts that this whole thing might crash and burn on me, I still have to keep pushing. I still have to commit to this. I have to commit to this to the end. The captain must go down with the ship and as long as the ship is still sailing, the captain will still stay at the fucking hill. I keep pushing.

Speaker 2: 1:16:07

There you go, so that's pretty much like the biggest thing. As a kid it didn't hit me like that, because at that point it's not that I wasn't dealing with troubles, it was just that it never occurred to me that much until like now. Whereas like now, going back and looking into it, and you're like, yeah, that's the real thing, like you have to keep pushing, you have to not give up, because in the end, the moment you give up is when you lose all your progress. You're going to fall back, you're going to fall down those steps as you've made progress, and the reason being is because if you don't fall when you make it to the top and then you fall from the top, you're not going to know why it is that you fail.

Speaker 2: 1:16:51

You have no idea how to prevent that stuff from happening. No, no listen, listen.

Speaker 1: 1:16:55

Now that you got me on this road, I might as well finish it off with this. Okay, guys, keep in mind with you, with everybody else in the inner circle, with everybody listening to this podcast. I'm not fighting for myself. I never did. I'm fighting for a glorious purpose, a grand ambition, a future that we all can believe. That's what drives me to keep doing it.

Speaker 2: 1:17:30

My heart touched my heart. But no, I definitely understand. I definitely understand. That's pretty much what we are here, that's what we do, that's our goal. We push them through it for the grand ambition Gotcha. But with that I think I have finished as far as our quick run on the first one.

Speaker 1: 1:17:57

Right Now. Keep in mind, we will do the movies in detail later. Hopefully we'll have Leia and Tanara. By the way, I apologize, tanara, I did not know, I got your name wrong. I don't know why you named me. Correct me sooner, but it's all good. I'm hoping that Leia and Tanara and also Talos, hopefully will be on next time. Tell me this now.

Speaker 2: 1:18:27

I literally just made the damn March video For reals, man. Now I'm up here giving people's names wrong. No way, it's whatever.

Speaker 1: 1:18:41

I did. I forgot that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but listen, we're going to try to get more people on for this one. But I guess you can say, with cooking guts or not, it's all a fair that we kick it off on our own. But you know we're going to have more people on during the later installments of this extreme review.

Speaker 1: 1:19:01

But yes, we're going to talk about the movies at a later time. Then we're going to get into the rest of the seasons. We're going to try to take our time with it. But at the same time, if it's like this one's where OK, not a whole lot to say on it, like yeah, they have like drama between the team and there's like some mature and somewhat dark moments in the show, but pretty much, if there's anything notable, we'll talk about it. But until the next installment, you know you stay nerdy, enjoy the music, because we're going to try to see about making this into a one big supercut. But in case we do the whole one at a time, like just release installments one at a time, like you know, stay nerdy. Remember that great things are coming. We are zoning out, so take it easy, y'all.