Hey there, animation aficionados and dark humor devotees! Join us as we plunge into the sinfully captivating universe of "Hazbin Hotel," where every twist and turn in the lives of hell's most charismatic demons is more scandalous than the last. With our special guests, Leia, and Lunaria, we dissect the show's brilliant concoction of the absurd and profound, from Angel Dust's harrowing journey in the underworld's adult film industry to Charlie's heartwarming quest for redemption in the bowels of the inferno.
Tap your feet to the devilish beats that underscore our exploration of Hell's musical landscape, with tunes that will haunt your playlist for an eternity. We chatter about the standout numbers that have us humming in the shower and the unexpected joy they bring to the darkest corners of our featured netherworld. Uncover the mysteries behind Alastor's eternal grin and the tech-savvy Vox, as we tear apart the fascinating character dynamics, and share a few laughs about our own hapless entanglements with the treacherous fine print in contracts.
As we wrap up our spectral soirée, don't miss our wild speculations on Alistair's potential ulterior motives and alliances. We stitch together the mythological and theological threads that give "Hazbin Hotel" its rich tapestry of storytelling. So clear your schedules, grab your favorite infernal beverage, and settle in for a podcast episode that promises to deliver more chills, thrills, and hellish spills than your mortal coil can handle!
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Hey there, animation aficionados and dark humor devotees! Join us as we plunge into the sinfully captivating universe of "Hazbin Hotel," where every twist and turn in the lives of hell's most charismatic demons is more scandalous than the last. With our special guests, Leia, and Lunaria, we dissect the show's brilliant concoction of the absurd and profound, from Angel Dust's harrowing journey in the underworld's adult film industry to Charlie's heartwarming quest for redemption in the bowels of the inferno.
Tap your feet to the devilish beats that underscore our exploration of Hell's musical landscape, with tunes that will haunt your playlist for an eternity. We chatter about the standout numbers that have us humming in the shower and the unexpected joy they bring to the darkest corners of our featured netherworld. Uncover the mysteries behind Alastor's eternal grin and the tech-savvy Vox, as we tear apart the fascinating character dynamics, and share a few laughs about our own hapless entanglements with the treacherous fine print in contracts.
As we wrap up our spectral soirée, don't miss our wild speculations on Alistair's potential ulterior motives and alliances. We stitch together the mythological and theological threads that give "Hazbin Hotel" its rich tapestry of storytelling. So clear your schedules, grab your favorite infernal beverage, and settle in for a podcast episode that promises to deliver more chills, thrills, and hellish spills than your mortal coil can handle!
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Love and nerdiness yeah, something that can make you do wrong, make you do right. What's good, nerds? It's another episode of the Zone Podcast and today's topic is has Been Hotel. And before we get started, we gotta do introductions. First of all, we do have the fancy club, president Koki Gatsu, the anime theorist, mira Jane, and some new voices from subscriber Rutt. We have Leia and Lunaria. How are y'all doing today, by the way?
Speaker 3:Doing good.
Speaker 1:Doing good. Good, alrighty, and without further ado, let's go on in on it. Has Been Hotel? Yes, absolute yes, because, man, it was so good. I had to watch the whole thing twice, like immediately, like as soon as I finished episode six, because, you know, episode seven and eight wasn't out yet. But as soon as I got caught up I was like, oh, I need to watch this shit again because it was so good, like the plot, the musical numbers, the animation, the character development. My emotions, my emotions, and starting with Koki Gatsu, how are you feeling about has Been Hotel?
Speaker 4:Man, look for a fact. You already know that I love Hella Boss. Like I'm the one that put you on Hella Boss, who was I found out about that? I will actually no, sorry, it was a workaround. I put our mutual friend on it that he put you on, but still, I was absolutely excited.
Speaker 5:What up Tuck?
Speaker 4:So I was absolutely excited about has Been Hotel because I hadn't waited the full five years, since Beyond I waited like two so because I found out about the series like kind of late. So me and my wife watched the pilot episode and we was like, oh, we're ready for this, let's do this. And it was like, oh, still hasn't out yet. So it was like, oh, but when we found out it was coming out and it was coming out on Prime, and then we remembered that we actually had a Prime subscription I was like, oh, yes, we're about to do this. But keep in mind, on this people in the podcast know this I don't like musicals, I just don't. It's just me. It's whatever Other people like musicals, that's fine. I just mean, I have a history of it. A family situation that kind of led me to not like them. It's a whole different thing.
Speaker 1:But I absolutely love it.
Speaker 4:Well, look, this one specifically is apps. I loved every single song. I can't say I like every song on Hell of a Boss. Most of them absolutely Like, most definitely, but on has been so far on season one, every single song.
Speaker 2:Since I haven't seen it in 30 seconds or less, sell me on watching it.
Speaker 4:All right has been host, hell yeah.
Speaker 1:All right. So and I'm glad you're saying that because let's go ahead and roll into the plot so hell is being exterminated by angels led by exorcists, and essentially Charlie, the princess of hell, the daughter of Lucifer himself, pursues this seemingly impossible goal of rehabilitating the demons to peacefully reduce the overpopulation of hell. He tries to open up the idea of the hotel up to the news anchors, while Paige will be checking out into heaven, while most of hell mocked the idea like straight up laughter right off the air and her girlfriend Badgey baggy. Excuse me, I know, adam kind of made that joke too, but bear with me. They try to get some people in like, with their first test subject being angel dust is male porn star. Yeah, that's the best way to put it.
Speaker 1:And then they were having a tough time trying to get the hotels up and going until the radio demon himself, alistair, showed up, wanted to help and he would bring in Husk and Nifty and together they will try to bring in as many demons as possible. Really, the only brought him like one, and that was Sir Pinchus, and he's pretty good. But mostly it's about trying to prevent the extermination of demons and hell. But there was like this whole mystery plot going on in between. So while we get into all that, let's open this up to Leia and Lunara how are you feeling by the hotel?
Speaker 3:Oh my God, it's definitely it's good, it is real good.
Speaker 6:So I will say one thing for sure, because busy pop made both shows. It is hard to not compare it to hell of a boss. That's yeah, and I think it lived up to the hype since it's been what how long since it was just under five years, because it was late 2019.
Speaker 3:So yeah.
Speaker 6:So it's like the original pilot for the show came out like five years ago and hell, the boss has been kind of tidying everybody over until it's final release, and I think it's been pretty worth it, although I kind of like you there, I came into it late, which is kind of surprising because I am a very big cartoon person.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was the one that got her into it.
Speaker 6:And I hear made me watch the pilot, and then we watched. I've been watched all of hell of a boss a week before the newest episode came out. That's how new I am.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 6:And I am very obsessed with it now and I really do enjoy husband hotel.
Speaker 3:And I am, I, my whole family, we always been huge in musicals, so I'm I'm very happy about that bit. Yeah, and the songs are definitely good they're.
Speaker 6:I mean again like it's hard not to compare it to hell of a hell of a boss, like but I would agree that the music is better in has been hotel, but when you have a whole bunch of Broadway stars working on it, yeah, of course it's going to be better, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Broadway stars.
Speaker 3:Yes, like half the cast, for has been hotels, broadway stars, yeah like the voices are different from the pilot to the prime version, which I do like the new voice cast, although I do kind of still prefer angels original voice.
Speaker 6:They did a great job of recasting him, but I do prefer angels original voice.
Speaker 3:But yeah, like all of the main cast basically, were recast by Broadway.
Speaker 1:I'm still blown away that Rosa Diaz can sing.
Speaker 4:Right, you know some people started singing that. I did not expect that they could sing Like. I fully agree with you on that one, but look tough.
Speaker 2:I'm a little confused. I'm a little confused, I'm a little confused. I got a question. Okay, hello, but boss, yeah, it's what now?
Speaker 1:Okay. So a sister series where, okay, the past hotel is dealing with the upper echelon demons, has Hill of a boss. Focus more on the lower levels and maybe some royalty, you know, like the seven princes of hell and the Goisha. That's about it.
Speaker 4:So essentially you have a minor, guys in the major.
Speaker 2:No, so essentially it's like the minor guys and the major guys.
Speaker 6:Well, what you have is you have Lucifer, who is inside, has been hotel. You have the seven rings of hell, which are ruled by the seven sins. Lucifer, being pride in the fried ring, is the souls of sinners and that's where they're confined to and that's where has been mostly plays off of the other rings, have what's called hellborns, and hell of a boss is an imp, a hellborn imp, and his job is he gets pretty much a hit list from sinners and then he goes up to earth and kills whoever the sinners want them to kill, usually someone related to how they die. So they're both standalone series.
Speaker 4:They both can.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 4:But they both still exist in the same universe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could watch either one or the other first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:In that sense, I understand. First off, let's compare it to like Avengers and X-Men. They exist in the same universe, there are cross over points, but you can watch them separately because they're still too separate, like story arts.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll take you even further, I'll take even further thing. A bit like moon night is currently not in the current, but it's in that same realm, you know you want to know?
Speaker 2:it's crazy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I didn't watch moon party.
Speaker 4:My God, it's so good though it's hot, I know I'm your main selling point.
Speaker 2:Hey, answer me about any anime. I've never seen it.
Speaker 3:You're true.
Speaker 4:This is my main selling point for you. Onto this one, keith David plays a major character in this. Oh, he has one film and he sings yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he does. Singer or loser, next you're going to tell me who.
Speaker 3:I'm the source for.
Speaker 2:Just tell me Ben Platt, ben Platt in it, I'm so. Tell me that. If Ben Platt in it, I'm automatically watching that, like you know what I mean. He has the voice of a baby angel. So Now hold on.
Speaker 1:Mira Jane, how are you feeling about head smell?
Speaker 5:Those are words I didn't ask you Actually low key, a little obsessed, low you got to feel that I'm a little. I'm going to be totally and completely honest.
Speaker 1:I love Angel.
Speaker 5:Every time Angel comes on the screen, I'm just like tell me more about your broken hearted story, Please.
Speaker 6:We can get high.
Speaker 5:I might do a lot of cook, but that's honestly how I'm feeling about it. I love the. I love the story. I love all of the biblical references I love. I also love how, like it remind me of the actual show Lucifer and that's a good one.
Speaker 4:That's actually the best.
Speaker 2:I know you lying.
Speaker 5:Jeremy Jordan is in it. Yeah, Jeremy Jordan is in it. Oh my God he played Lucifer, yes, so episode five is like has my favorite song in it, because the song completely mostly by Jeremy Jordan and the guy who plays Alistair and I'm like the best freaking, do it.
Speaker 2:Jeremy Jordan did a great do it with Kiki Palmer and that movie. Yo go on you remember it had Dolly Parton in it too In Queen Latifah.
Speaker 5:Oh wait.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it was a musical movie produced by Dolly Parton. You know Dolly Parton will produce some.
Speaker 5:Oh my God, jeremy Jordan does a great job as Lucifer and episode. There's so many of these episodes that I was just like I will say no. Episodes one through three. I was like, all right, holy crap.
Speaker 2:This is a great cast. I can't believe it.
Speaker 4:One through three was going pretty well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because we're angels, you know we'll get to it. We'll get to it like oh, Alistair.
Speaker 2:Alistair, it's two different voice actors. He might have a different singing voice oh no.
Speaker 6:Okay.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 1:All right, let's go ahead and get into the episode breakdown. So that was the pilot we talked about. So that was more like episode zero. Episode one takes place one week after the events of the pilot and Charlie reveals the backstory that Lucifer was originally an angel that fell in love with Lilith, the first woman, and, after being cast out from heaven, they created hell. And to ensure that the centers of hell don't rebel, have been created an annual extermination to keep them in line. And as hell is still recovering from the last termination, charlie mentions that she has not seen or heard from little in seven years later, charlie receives a call from her father asking to take his place to the annual meeting with heaven.
Speaker 1:Charlie pitches to Adam, the leader of these terminations in hell of hell, her plan to save the center through redemption for a hotel. Obviously, adam, laugh at it. Do this awesome musical number blow. By the way, meanwhile, vaggie, vaggie I keep on messing up Vaggie and lives on the staff hotel to make the commercial to promote the hotel.
Speaker 1:But the final product was cut short by the news. And then the angel, because apparently Charlie was like trying to piss the idea with hotel and Adam was like you know what? Not only will we not listen to what you gotta say, we decided to move the termination from a year to six months, so we'll just come back in six months and essentially, yeah, she kind of, yeah, kind of fucked up on that one. And then Lou Adam, second command, reveals to Adam that the courts of the exterminator has been killed in hell and Adam hands that he wants revenge on hell for what they did to the exterminator. Now there's two musical numbers Happy day in hell and hell is forever. Hell is forever. I like with Adam and the fucking guitar riff and shit. And then happy day in hell. It was all right, you know, it was like this song.
Speaker 2:I know it's right there, yeah, so did you all download, like the soundtrack. Y'all listen to the soundtrack.
Speaker 1:I was listening to it on YouTube, are you?
Speaker 6:kidding she made us listen to all of the like has been and and all the boss songs. Before we got on, I have box analysis on duck in my head.
Speaker 2:It's giving me it's giving me Broadway vibes, because that's how I was for Hamilton. I listened to Hamilton soundtrack and then I watched.
Speaker 1:There's like two musical numbers in every episode.
Speaker 2:Is it? Is it better musical numbers than like, let's say like American dad, yes, better than Steve.
Speaker 4:Although I will say this I can't remember the sun's name. I can't remember the sun's name Every single time. That the sun's name, steve, I can't quite say it's like. Better I would say it's definitely on good far, because for me all his song, be hit, just be a Steve, go on hit, hit you with a song. Steve will rip out a bus out of banging that song for real.
Speaker 2:Be 12 man boys 12.
Speaker 5:I will say you mean a lot of me, 12.
Speaker 4:Oh God, the has been musicals I was I would definitely say they definitely like good up there.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, I really want to watch it.
Speaker 6:I don't know why they're saying that their earworms, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Like as soon as any of the songs came out was in me like, yep, that's going on my phone. Yep, that's going on my phone. Oh, this one too.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I would say, actually both shows have really good music. Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3:Like some of them will hit better than others, but I can't say any of them are like bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's, there's no, but some of them are bangers.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, that was the first song.
Speaker 1:I just kind of gives you an idea that there's going to be musical numbers? That's really what the first one.
Speaker 6:happy day in hell, just let you know this is going to be musical numbers, but that just gives you a vibe on who Charlie is. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That was the first one gave me yeah.
Speaker 4:Well, the creator of the show said that Charlie's supposed to be a Disney princess in hell after the first one is situation Like? Every song blends perfectly into how the situation is Like when you start talking about Adam. When Adam goes into his riff and he's talking about, hell is Forever, you have to deal with it Once you've earned. Yes, adam is in the first human he he Adam?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's a dick, yes.
Speaker 1:He's an asshole, but he's funny though.
Speaker 4:I mean, he's the first human. The first human gotta be an asshole. It makes sense why Eve left him. And look, I know we ain't got to the episode yet, but when Lucifer said that shit, I was like, oh you petty bitch.
Speaker 5:Yes, yes, yes, mm-hmm, it's so kind of interesting that Eve has not been in chill yet.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I seem like oh no, this may be controversial, but uh, he'll say we Don't go into this with the mic, look, look, look, it's a little lit. I'm not going to say y'all, so Tuck. You know, I've come from a Christian family, like Christian background. My mom is a pastor. But understanding to this aspect is that I am very open-minded when it comes to a lot of other religious philosophies. I read all of that shit. I'm very keen into it. So there's different things I'm more open-minded on. I'm open-minded about and stuff. So there's a lot of questions that people ask about the Bible that doesn't get answered, and I think it's because people just don't really look for the answer. They just want to look for a problem. It's a whole different thing.
Speaker 1:But I know we're told to say this for the nerdy news special, but I just can't myself. Have y'all checked out that Gen Z Bible no.
Speaker 4:No, I haven't.
Speaker 2:No, I haven't. What was that? What in the world?
Speaker 4:The Ops Hold on, hold, on, hold on. This is how they describe, this is literally the fact of how they describe Lucifer, the Ops of all Ops decides to show up and Joe and Gibson side ease DM. What?
Speaker 1:He's running into a DM with the sneaky ribs and Eve where her cook.
Speaker 5:Yes, oh no.
Speaker 2:That sound like the Atlanta version.
Speaker 5:But no, there's a church here in Atlanta that is actually reading from that Bible and they have what is it? The smoke machines? They have it all. It's a club. That's what it is Preford.
Speaker 2:Atlanta Got it. I'm about to go to Atlanta and go to that church but It'd be lit. I know it's some. You know I'm going to go to hell if I say that.
Speaker 3:Don't say that, don't say that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you are, but I don't know. Hell seems lit.
Speaker 5:Hell seems lit. I was in a hotel May. Hell looked real.
Speaker 2:Hey, you know hell got musical numbers, although we down the sink and they up in heaven sink, I mean either way.
Speaker 1:All right, proto. All right, let's move on to episode two. Like we got to keep this moving, all right, ok, I like episode two though, because you know, when the V's there's Vox, valentino and Velvet they found out that Alastor is back and after being gone for seven years what a coincidence. But I'll explain that later. Vox tried to get him, sent a warning to him. This backfires when Alastor sends his own warning to Vox.
Speaker 1:The V's then decide to try to destroy the hotel from inside by sending sort of pinches to spy on the hotel as a hotel guest. But as their pinches was getting adjusted to the operation of the hotel, angel does start to feel sad that oh, charlie's not paying attention to me or she doesn't believe that he can change. And then Angel does find out that Sir Pinches was working for Vox and he tried to tell on the rest of the staff and he and Vaggy wanted to kill Sir Pinches. But Charlie was like no, no, it starts with sorry. And then give him a second chance after witnessing Vox yelling at him for failing. And then Sir Pinches accepted Vox to stay at the hotel for real. I did like this one because the two musical numbers it starts with sorry. That was at the end and that was like once again one of those Disney buy things, but stayed gone. That was a banger. That was good, like you're gone away, that I stayed gone. Ok, I can't do that one.
Speaker 4:But I knew you was going to try. I was waiting, waiting for it. Oh yeah, it was. It was a really good song. I agree with Charlie. I'm going to listen to it right now.
Speaker 6:Yeah, All right For those who have not seen the show, for clarity's sake. Alastair is also referred to as the radio demon. He has a radio-toned voice and he is implied to be one of the strongest of the Overlord demons, and he's been missing for seven years. The V's have been kind of trying to take his place since he's been gone, in particular Vox, who is ironically a television, so that's kind of an automatic rivalry there.
Speaker 1:Oh, and I like how, when Alastair was on Spill on the Teeth, where, oh, they tried to hire me but I was like, no, not my style, I'm going to do my own style.
Speaker 4:Look, I want you to understand that aspect, this fact that I had this hype for a minute on this. I was like, oh shit, are we about to get Alastair versus Vox? Are they about to duke it out? Because we get a couple points throughout the first season where Alastair has already shown that he is powerful and stuck. Other demons be showing up and he will take care of them, no problem by himself, like they, nothing Like legitimately, it's a walking apart type thing. So I was nervous about seeing how Vox was going to be. I was like yo, so this dude actually, like this, might actually be a rival. And then it was a becoming. I'm like no, wait a minute. It feel like Vox might be bitching out, like Vox is scared. Vox is actually scared.
Speaker 1:Hold on, koki guys, hold on. I'm telling you right now. Let me tell you about Alastair. He is a sinister supervillain. This dude is taking out overlords in order to pretty much. I think he's trying to take over hell. But this dude is so powerful that he will like kidnap overlords and next thing you know, when his radio show comes on, all you hear is the screams of his victims.
Speaker 4:Look even more than that. I don't think necessarily say for him is like taking over hell. There's obviously some other goal, because I feel like he could have already taken over hell, like the only person that gave him a run for his money was Angels. As far as Angel, he's gone far well, except Lucifer. Lucifer's an Angel, so but no, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:Yes, you're right, but I was going to say that for when we get to the finale, because I have a theory.
Speaker 4:A good reveal yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:You got this theory Especially. I love what Lay's theory. I love what y'all think theory was in y'all video. I was like ooh.
Speaker 6:Oh, with this.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, definitely, but um.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I got some theories on Alistair too, but also something that's well too for Alistair.
Speaker 4:Keep in mind on this, this is one thing to keep in mind about how he just resonates power. Ok, he doesn't. He and Vox don't get along. But one of the things about it, too, is the fact that he is so powerful you literally cannot record him. If you try to record a video of his face, it completely fizzes and messes up, and his only response that he gives you is you can't record me. This face was made for radio.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's speaking with the most sinister fucking face. Oh, speaking of sinister face Tuck, he also kind of has all my vibes to, where he always smiles Like you. Never see this dude not smile.
Speaker 4:I will say I definitely got a theory on to that one too, but I think that's also based upon some comics, little stuff that I've been seeing on Twitter. Well, X, we're going to call it Twitter, because I don't respect that On Twitter there are some comics that's circling around where Alistair doesn't smile but it's like he's kind of forced to Like. It's something based upon the contract that he is on. That's like a whole other theory in itself that some people kind of circulate out. That'll find very interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it. All right, episode three unless anyone else got anything they want to spread out real quick.
Speaker 5:I mean, I just want to say, like we're kind of ignoring the title of the episode, it's about Video Kill the Radio Star, which is definitely a reference to that Bugle song, I think back in the 80s maybe.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and like when you think about it, like maybe the reason theory, right, maybe the reason that Alistair can't be recorded is because Video can kill the radio star. Maybe, yes, Vox is absolutely terrified of him, right, but the reason why Vox is terrified? Because he's never been able to successfully record the radio star, never been able to hold him down long enough or to let's say that, but we see Alistair on, like the security cameras and stuff.
Speaker 6:Yeah, the screen glitches out, but you can still tell it's Alistair, you can tell.
Speaker 5:I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4:I know you're good. I didn't want to cut you off, but we about to see.
Speaker 5:Um, yes, you can tell, but the reason why is Fizzing out is because video can't capture radio waves.
Speaker 4:That's true, because there's two different wave signals.
Speaker 5:Two different wave signals, two different wave loops and that's why I was like I love the title of this episode and then I love the song in the episode and I honestly was kind of and I know they probably couldn't even afford it, but I was hoping to hear the song I was like can we just get a little bit of tune or a little bit of note, because it just wouldn't have brought the whole entire episode together in my opinion.
Speaker 4:OK, but I will also say they did wind up making a quick reference to when the V's were talking and the fact is like you were upset, that there was like getting all thoughts about the fact that you were upset, about the fact that you almost lost it, and it's like you just wanted to lose it to him but he just up and left and stayed. So it's kind of one of those things. It's like a lot has got to win because Alistair just said, oh, it's not worth my time, fuck it, and he's kind of left, type of thing.
Speaker 6:And then Alistair really doesn't take his fights very serious.
Speaker 4:Alistair- never takes his fights very serious. He just kind of laughs and does whatever he wants, he never takes it seriously. Yeah, I fully agree. Like even in a pilot episode that was one thing about him too was the fact that, like when he took down and I forgot his name now Pinchus, sir Pinchus.
Speaker 4:Forever rests his soul, but his no, we got ain't got him here but still. But like, yeah, but even when he takes down people, it's an effortless thing for him. He enjoys it. He enjoys the torture, of course, but it's like, oh, and they do damage. They do damage and he's like, okay, I guess I have to step in now. And then he just steps in and just absolutely decimates everybody. I would even say I don't think it was this episode, I think it was the next episode so I'm giving it if I'm jumping ahead onto it where Alistair is so scary that he walks with those With the upper-eshen palm, with the old heads, and people are scared, people are scared of these old heads, and so literally just Alistair walking along the side like it's nothing.
Speaker 1:It was him and Zestio.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and people was like terrified as fuck to Zestio and Alistair.
Speaker 3:Oh hell, no, it was the old homie.
Speaker 4:Oh, it's the homie.
Speaker 6:They say nothing. Didn't one of the sinners catch put themselves on fire instead of having to deal with Zestio? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:I'd rather kill myself than get caught gazed. It's like the Godfather vibe.
Speaker 1:Like you, look at the Godfather, the wrong way.
Speaker 4:You're instantly about to die. It's like did you look at me? Did you look my direction? Oh, you about to die. Like it's about to be a wrap. And they were just like oh no, I looked his direction. I have to kill myself. It's the absolute work.
Speaker 4:Matter of fact, I was going to go, like Bakihama, like with Yujiro Yujiro that time when the pickle because it was the most recent one that came out, so it's not too much spoiler. But when Yujiro Hama went to go visit pickle, he walked to the front of the prison. The people saw him and they were so fucking scared of him they started fighting each other Because literally, they were like, we were so scared that we had to either fight each other or fight ourselves Lest he literally murders us. It was the. He literally says you're right, my aura was so damn devilish and so damn sinister that if you decided to just stand still and not and not punch each other or punch yourselves, I was about to end your very existence right now.
Speaker 4:Like, just that type of shit is what is like what was happening here. And then like, and Alastair's just like, oh, I don't care about his vibe, still, that's my vibe too, he, the old homie and I'm sitting here like damn. Alastair, you like that. You just disappeared for seven years. Come back and you just like that. Like that, like damn.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:All right. Speaking of which, let's talk about episode three Scramble Dag.
Speaker 6:Hang on, before we go to episode three. Just something really funny I find is did you ever pause and read Vox's face when he went blue screen?
Speaker 4:I did, oh yeah.
Speaker 6:Blue screen crash. I didn't think anything. The funny thing that says crash, error, eat shit. Alastair is the funniest little like. I don't know if you want to talk Easter egg or detail, but you tell it yeah. My wife actually took.
Speaker 4:She taught that she was like hold on a second rewind back and she paused and it was like we just had a laugh on that one.
Speaker 6:It's like it's not a blue screen, it's a blue screen of fucking awesome.
Speaker 3:It's like it's a blue screen of fucking awesome it's like Ew.
Speaker 1:Oh god, yeah, yeah that was funny.
Speaker 1:All right. So, yes, episode three. So Jelp surpenses on improving the person bagging, since that he got to get rid of the egg boys. She asks Alastair to get rid of them, but before he can, he runs into Zestiel and who invites him to this meeting of the overlords of hell. During the meeting, velvet showed in the state of Fox, and Velvet I mean not Velvet, fox and Valentino. And as they talk about that, as she gives up the head of the slain exterminate angel, the exorcist, suggesting that they go to war with heaven. But this idea, shot down by Zestiel, who fears a war between heaven and hell, would lead to more deaths, while Velvet and soul Zestiel. But it's kicked out by Carmilla Carmine. Who's this overlord who controls all the hell's weapons? Now Carmilla reveals to Zestiel that he, that she's the one who killed the exterminator to protect her daughters, which is overheard by the egg boys.
Speaker 1:One egg boys that follow Alastair by mistake, the egg boy relates a message to Alastair. Alastair is like hey, just keep this between us All right, cool, cool, cool. And then meanwhile, charlie adds Vaggie to lead trust exercises at the hotel. Vaggie worries that the group won't be ready when the next termination happens and pushes the Patriots to take part in this more stringent activities. However, when Charlie tells Vaggie that she feels that Vaggie is going too far that to talk it out, they discover that their friends actually bonded over their experiences. Vaggie put them through and the end.
Speaker 1:Charlie and Vaggie let Sir Pinchus keep the egg boys. And then at the last minute, that main egg boy, Frank. He was blabbing, talking about what Alastair told him not to talk about. But Pinchus was thinking like hey man, they say a bunch of stupid shit a lot All the time. It's like I didn't know this shit was actually true. The musical numbers in this one was respectless and whatever it takes. I kind of like respectless but whatever it takes, yeah, it was something. But opening this up, how y'all feel about episode three? Anything?
Speaker 4:I've spoken a lot. I want everyone else to go first. I kind of like obviously took that whole Alastair and I already kind of jumped on the beginning part of my bag. Go ahead, y'all Gotcha.
Speaker 5:All right.
Speaker 6:I just. Go ahead. I do like the music in this episode, but I do kind of feel like it's the weakest. Yeah, overall so good. Yeah, for sure. Like honestly, I can't really remember the songs.
Speaker 3:Mostly, I remember the factless yeah.
Speaker 6:Like the one thing I remember most from the episode overall is just baggy, throwing everyone off the roof.
Speaker 3:Well, and I remember in respectless where this meeting's over and Alastair's like well, that was a productive meeting and she's like God True.
Speaker 4:I think my favorite part of this episode also, aside from the walk, the eggs found out they had names. Oh, you didn't have names. You didn't have names.
Speaker 3:Ew.
Speaker 4:And they were just like yeah, apparently. So the musical number for me, yeah, the second one was the most. I guess that one relates to me, this would relate to you in this aspect here, because we find out why it is that she killed the angels. Because she apparently she knew for a fact that it was a possibility. She wasn't 100% sure if that's what the case was. But what wound up happening is that during the extermination, the daughter was about her daughters were about dying and her motherly instincts kicked in. It's not just I'm going to protect, it was I'm going to kill, and that's just pretty much what kind of was happening in that aspect.
Speaker 1:Kogigatsu. I'm sorry, sobren Krogan, but this is reminding me and this is kind of ironic considering, but remember record of Ragnarok, where it was Anna versus. Zeus, it was Anna, but it was like does the man needs a reason to? He wants to protect his own children.
Speaker 5:Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4:Exactly Like Adam, for record of Ragnarok is literally the exact opposite.
Speaker 3:I got a bit of a Molly Weasley vibes there. That holds not. My daughter, you bitch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, now you're speaking my language, oh yeah, it's very part of it right here.
Speaker 4:But not for real though. So like because me and Tuck we both have daughters, so like we is just that thing and like I put it this way. It was a stand-up comedian I was listening to recently. He made this stand-up like two years ago. He said that when he had a son he was like his son was his firstborn. So he was just like, oh, when you held him, he held him. He said, oh, man, I would definitely die for you. But he said, once his daughter was born and he held his little girl, he said, oh, I'd kill for you, I'd kill anybody for you.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I've seen that clip. That's a great one, yeah.
Speaker 4:But in this app, it's absolutely true, I have right now currently two boys, two girls, and I have another little boy on the way right now. So, like, when it comes to my daughters, most definitely like my daughters tell me that I was like, oh, such as such was being mean to me, I'm just like, excuse me, what. Like, if my son tells me I'm like, did you stand up for yourself? You know you got to stand up for yourself, type of thing, my daughters tell me I'm like, excuse me, who, who that I got square with what happened now, who, what? You saying now, who, what? Like it's just, it's instinctual. It's instinctual. You just instantly and then like, even on, like to Ali Sadiq, where he literally says like, because if you're a father to a daughter, whoever your daughter got beef with you, instantly got beef with them. There's just nothing about that, that's just how it is. Hey, the black seal baby, it's just right, but no, it's the same thing. So that's what I really respected out of her and this fact is like I'd kill for my family, like I killed for my kids, I killed for my daughters. Like you try to come and attack, like, yeah, you come and do an extermination. I get it, we. It's up for survival. But because it's up for survival, that means the survival to fit is you put my kids in danger. That's on you. That's on you Cause I'm coming for blood.
Speaker 4:And straight up, she did it. She protected her daughters and then the daughters was like you should tell someone. She's like no, no one should ever know, no one needs to know, it needs to stay a secret. And she's like it would be better if you actually talked to someone about it. It would be better if you're not holding on to this by yourself, which ideally, yeah, but at the same time it's just, that's a difficult thing. Like there's so much political, she has so much political power. That's like understanding. We voted someone for presidency of the United States and they found out that that president actually murdered somebody and got away with murder. When then we up her and we never knew it it just all of a sudden came up after they got hired as president. That's how that wasn't for those maddening kids.
Speaker 4:I swear Much but yeah, it's like it's so much into that and I understand the political aspect why it is you couldn't so for this one. This particular episode was primarily on the story art building in the world building and understanding that Because we followed mostly on the first two episodes and with the pilot we're assuming we're only going to follow the residents of the Hasman Hotel and like Charlie and the gang and that's it Versus. In this one we finally get a chance to actually follow other individuals. We actually have world building. There's a whole nother B storyline that's tying into the A storyline. All of this is working together but there's other stuff happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 2:How many episodes?
Speaker 4:was it? I was just guessing.
Speaker 2:One episode Eight Eight Eight Is the eight in Hell of a Boss 2?.
Speaker 4:So, Hell of a Boss is on like what? Third season now. No, no second season, it's eight Is eight in the season, supposedly, but I think how many is the Hell of a Boss? Look you go ahead, I'm going to look it up right now.
Speaker 1:Eight in season one, and season two is not finished yet.
Speaker 2:But it's on track to do eight.
Speaker 1:Maybe eight, maybe more than that.
Speaker 2:I wonder, that's interesting.
Speaker 1:It's on YouTube. You can watch it on YouTube anytime.
Speaker 2:YouTube yeah, yes, that's weird.
Speaker 4:Not really it's been. It was a YouTube series first, before it got picked.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was a YouTube series first.
Speaker 4:Oh, that makes sense. But like it's one, it's a top tier YouTube series. Like the animation is absolute gas and gold. It's like we wait several months for it because those animators are actually working in doing those episodes and stuff.
Speaker 2:So it's not like big studio at this moment, but so Hell of a Boss is only on YouTube.
Speaker 4:Right now it is yes.
Speaker 2:Oh, I was thinking they sold the rights to like Because, uh, because Hasmode Hotel is on Prime right yeah, yeah, oh girl. Yeah, no, it's not yeah. Prime no, it's not no it's not it's not like that.
Speaker 3:It was going on. The next episode of Hell of a Though after oh after that music video oh my God.
Speaker 4:Yeah oh, stolas Stolas' music video was so touching bro.
Speaker 6:It was so touching.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like real stuff, but no, but yeah, so you can watch all you can be in Hell of a Boss right now. If, when we get off, I'll probably I'll go ahead and send you a link, because the way that Vizzy has done it is that they have it. They have it all linked into their one playlist so you can just binge it all straight from the playlist.
Speaker 2:So the creator, the creators, just created it. They didn't write like a book or anything like that.
Speaker 4:There is some comics because it's multiple writers that gets mostly created by Vivian, but there's multiple writers that help out to help her out, and each of these writers have their own, have their own different versions and comics that are on Twitter. So sometimes they release like little storyboards. Sometimes it'll be comics that you can find on Twitter. That's like, so far I've seen, is the only place you'll see them at. You won't see them on Instagram or Facebook, okay, but yeah, you'll probably. You know I prefer?
Speaker 2:I prefer books and stuff. You know, my name is Professor Tuckleberry fan.
Speaker 5:So, mr Tuckleberry, you name your names.
Speaker 4:Oh my gosh, you and these names. I thought I was going to bring it up.
Speaker 1:I was hoping I was.
Speaker 2:I said that whole thing up, you did.
Speaker 4:I just I was hopeful, for one episode was just one Nope New nickname alert. Still the internationally known anyway, oh, for sure.
Speaker 4:Oh but yeah, so that's all I got for this episode, so we can go ahead and move on to the next one, is that? But I think this episode was just primarily for, like, story building and world building, because we finally get an opportunity to not primarily follow Charlie in the game. We actually are getting a chance to see other residents of hell, like other rings and other things that are going on, and it gets an opportunity to say, like there is still more going on and this is why Charlie's idea is important. So it wasn't meant to be like, oh, this is going to be like a straight up hook, but this is more so. This is that world building and that's pretty much my primary thing for this episode. So you can go ahead and move on, jp, all right.
Speaker 5:Can I say something?
Speaker 4:Yeah, my bad, go ahead yeah.
Speaker 5:I'm just so. I actually really enjoyed both of the songs. On this one, because it was kind of like a Respectless definitely was absolutely funny. I think it had some bars basically, when she was like I'm not going to like write on your, I was like that jump kind of hit my feelings All right, and and it was really cool. She's played by the vet I can't remember her last name. She's played by a. She's a black female actress. She's done a lot of Broadway plays and I'll be honest, to hear her voice like that I was like dang, she's spitting. And then to see really cool.
Speaker 1:I think, I'm looking at it right now. She was voiced by Lily Cooper.
Speaker 5:Yeah, lily Cooper, I'm sorry I was thinking of somebody else, but and. But then I also liked the side by side, with Carmella and Vaggie both singing, whatever it takes. I love that side by side comparison because when you think of Vaggie you think of, like, how somber she's feeling in that moment and she's really taking on the weight of being in a relationship, right, and she wants to do everything she can for for Charlie and she's just like, well, how can I even fix this? And then to see the, the juxtaposition in In Carmella with, like I wanted to protect my daughter, so I had to do everything I could and I don't know. I thought that was a clever way to kind of express that moment. Vaggie kind of. This moment made Vaggie one of my favorite characters too. She's like my second favorite one. She's super tough. I love that. She thought the best way to get everyone to bond was to throw them into a fight. No better bonding experience.
Speaker 1:I love that, but you know what I like that. So this reminds me of how it's funny that they had that moment with whatever it takes. And then it's like you have episode seven to, where they have to work together in order to figure out how to stop these termination. But we'll get to that All right. Episode four Okay, this is a good one. This is the one I meant, not episode three, but episode four. This is where you get musical numbers Poison and Loser Baby. Now, these two are really good. In fact, poison is. As soon as this series came out, poison debuted at number 34 on the Billboard and it has 2.7 million streams the following week. So it was that good. But let me go ahead and talk about it.
Speaker 1:So, angel Dust he got to go do a job as in a porn film for Valentino. While shooting, charlie shows up trying to bring Angel Dust back to the hotel. Valentino wasn't having it because Charlie was being a fumbling, she was being kind of a quuzz, she started a fire and she was really like hard in the mood. So Valentino was like Angel Dust, can you sidebar real quick? I need to talk to you in private and then just start beating the shit out Angel Dust and I was like you better get that bitch out of there. You think she's going to save you from me. You, I own you, boy, you do whatever I say, that kind of energy. Basically, valentino is Angel Dust, pimp, innocent, you know like. And, by the way, angel Dust, it just really makes you wonder what it's like in the porn industry, because it's like he was just getting a rough treatment to like he really was being treated like a, like a prostitute, because it's almost like Valentino will even like send a whole bunch of voice messages and it's like the most bipolar shit, where it's like Angel Dust, come home, I miss you, you bitch, you, you're like just a real bipolar shit. But hold on, hold on, hold on, all right Perlo.
Speaker 1:So Angel Dust continues on with the show he did poison on that musical number, while he's being constantly sexually assaulted by Valentino and other workers. So yeah, it looked kind of dark. Then he gets back to the hotel, he starts an argument with Husk who had earlier accused him of being fake. Angel Dust leads to go to a bar, unknowingly falling by Husk. Husk saves Angel Dust from being drugged by one of Valentino's workers, but Angel Dust lashes out at him for a save and I'm revealing that he allowed Valentino to assault him and all the other shit so that when he's too broken and ruined, valentino will stop using that Using him. And then Husk reveals that he once was the overlord whose gambling addiction led to him to make a deal with Alistair in order to keep his power, chop him in this similar situation that Angel Dust did. And then that's when they have that musical number loser baby and realizing that they share the collective experience from the two form a friendship, and arriving back at the hotel and he does things Charlie for caring about him, making her all emotional and shit.
Speaker 1:And I kind of liked that little part that is kind of cute from Charlie. But let me pause and before I open this up to everybody, this is the part where I realized that Angel Dust reminds me of Fizz, to where they're both trying what they can to appease their boss, even though they pretty much hate their job. But they kind of figured with Fizz. He needs to be perfect for Manning, that's what his thing was. Angel Dust was more in the opposite direction to where he wanted to be used, to a point to where he becomes useless to the guy that's abusing him, but pretty much Mammon and Valentina was respectfully abusing these guys and I was like damn I feel for them, like especially with Fizz doing his musical number and on Hella Boss two minute notice.
Speaker 1:But, with that being said, this time I'm going to open it up to Lea and Linaria. How are y'all feeling about episode four?
Speaker 6:I will 100% agree with you that Angel and Valentina are just Fizz and Ozzy, but terribly toxic.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:And it's like that's very true. One thing I will just say, having seen a lot of the ship stuff and people talk about it kind of as a side note that I feel maybe needs to be addressed is that the fact that this was one of the most beloved and controversial episodes of the show so far and that's probably just because it is dealing with sex workers, and a lot of people were made uncomfortable by that it also helped.
Speaker 6:A lot of people feel seen and they said that they did a very accurate job at representing what it feels like to be disassociating and to be in a toxic relationship.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And the fact that before the episode even starts, they say fair warning, it's going to get like sexual assault, so brace yourself. And co-culture. Did we have this conversation to where, oh, a whole bunch of people were saying like, oh, kids shouldn't be watching this show? And I'm like bro, they made it perfectly obvious that this is an adult animation. That's on you, yeah.
Speaker 3:Like anyone who thinks this show is remotely for children.
Speaker 6:It's no.
Speaker 4:I've already released a video. I put it on TIT Talk Facebook Instagram On TIT Talk. It has been seen 347 times and it specifically starts off on the fact that has been Hotel is not for kids. It literally says adults only. It is y'all fucking fault letting your kids see something that says adult only, as your fault for not checking age raping. Not every cartoon is for kids. Would y'all let your kids watch the Simpsons? Would y'all let your kids watch Family Guy? Would you let your kids watch American Dad?
Speaker 6:I'm just saying but yeah, like, especially nowadays there are so many adult-oriented cartoons, I feel like anyone who just assumes animation is for kids like I hate to say it, but you're just a moron.
Speaker 3:And there are a lot of people that that's what the oh it's animated must be for kids.
Speaker 5:Go watch Happy Tree friend, oh God.
Speaker 4:Oh no, don't bring that one, it's not.
Speaker 5:It's not Boy, you know that would mess up a lot of your.
Speaker 1:So many anime that we can recommend like hey, y'all want to attack on Titan or Berserk, or maybe school days or something Like.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't even try.
Speaker 4:Look, even worse was Promise Neverland and the World Ends with you. You got all these little shows that be sitting here like have these little cutesy little kids and you're like, oh, this is the cute animation style. Oh, this is a little kid in it, oh, this is to be perfect for my kids.
Speaker 1:So why?
Speaker 4:And then it's like oh God, and you're like, and then you wonder why your kids be like I'm scared to go to sleep, mommy, why it was not a good cartoon. Mommy, what do you mean? Parents watch cartoon, why, why, why, what is this? This is the devil. This is evil. This is, oh, it's your dumb ass not checking she's before your kids watch. And that's what he was. I'm a dad.
Speaker 6:I could say that I check before my kids watch, so I'm just saying I'm not going to fall, sorry, I'm sitting in a chair and every time my cat little bird steps on me and when I'm sitting in it I fall out of it.
Speaker 5:And she's currently holding the cat. So I was like, don't hold it.
Speaker 6:I just handed me my cat, and every time this cat is in this chair, I somehow end up on the ground.
Speaker 4:Please be careful If. I may I want to also say that, Mira, thank you so much for bringing up Vash, because I feel very bad in the fact that Vash is an excellent, excellently written character. I absolutely love her and I feel bad in the fact that I feel like we did not give her the love that we said she deserves in the first three episodes. Thank you for bringing her up. I am so sorry.
Speaker 5:Leave it now.
Speaker 4:Bad G.
Speaker 5:We're never going to talk about it. I'm getting to it.
Speaker 4:I feel so bad. I feel so bad? No, because she was a great. She holds Charlie down, she does great.
Speaker 6:All the characters are good characters. I just I kind of wish this show had had 10 or 12 episodes at least, Since they're just yeah yeah. Some people think it's like eight episodes with eight main characters and like five secondary characters and an overarching plot. That is a lot to deal with.
Speaker 3:That's not enough. For how many?
Speaker 4:Well, keeping in mind onto this one is the fact that it's one of the reasons I also like Hell of a Boss as well, as also has been. There's not fluff, like we are actually getting to the story and sticking to the story as is, because in real life we don't have filler.
Speaker 4:That's not a real life situation Like we don't have. Like, oh, this is a day where just some random nonsense happened as non-canon, to my detrimental life. And whatever you go from day by day by day, you deal with the same shit you had to deal with before, every single day. Even if you make it a little bit better, you still kind of deal. So I think that's probably the point of what Vivian was trying to do was actually just get to the point, and by getting to the point is not as many episodes. So yeah, we want it definitely. But would you want the fluff and filler? Would you want like a filler episode in between?
Speaker 6:Well, not necessarily filler, but it would have been just nice to spend more time with, like the actual hotel guests. Like it did not occur to me that from the first episode to the last episode, six months had passed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when they're you know, went up to heaven and all of a sudden, yeah, we'll see you in one month. It's like wait. What happened in the last?
Speaker 6:five months. Yeah, I thought he just chopped their time limit down again. I didn't realize it had been five months.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because we did have a time skip from episode three to episode four, where Charlie's freaking out?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but they never really said anything about it.
Speaker 4:I think they well, no, they didn't, it wasn't. It was just kind of a quick thing into it, Like you know that there was a time skip in that particular in between those episodes, but it was just literally. Charlie was complaining, she's like I've been spending all this time trying to figure stuff out and I still haven't figured it out, and she was freaking out. And then Badge was like well, you should probably focus on trying to help somebody, to try to like make sure you're doing stuff for the guests Hold on.
Speaker 1:This is a perfect example of show not tell. To where they could have simply did it, to where, okay, you see that hourglass that they have to count it down to extermination. They could have just kept put that scene on and just let it stay in the loop on how much time they had left, and then otherwise they're like, okay, well, at least we now know that they didn't just lay through five months when it felt like all the events could have happened in a week.
Speaker 5:Yeah, true, true. I kind of liked the fact that we kind of got caught up in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Like I kind of I don't know why it felt like I got swept up in in their own lives and their own personal age. They had going on, but I'm like, wait, it's been months.
Speaker 6:Yeah, that's kind of why I was like wait a minute.
Speaker 5:So I kind of liked that because, like you, kind of need that. That's what keeps you watching, or at least keeps me watching when I'm swept up in your personal drama. Oh yeah, I'm just going to go pop some popcorn and keep watching this train red happen, because I know it's about to fall off the rails and I can't wait. And that was something I really enjoyed, actually, that brought me to it. And then I liked the fact that the musical numbers weren't excessively long, like poison wasn't excessively long, but it hit all of the details, it hit all the points and it drew me in and absolutely amazing song and, like I said, angel's my favorite character.
Speaker 1:This is my favorite episode.
Speaker 5:I feel that, I feel that and. I love the, the fact the name of the episode was Masquerade and this whole time Angel's been like going through that, like she's been showing that persona or he he's been showing that persona and putting on that facade this whole time and I love that.
Speaker 5:And, like you guys mentioned, they did so well with touching on abuse, like, and I love those little minute details, like I don't know if y'all noticed, but the poison seeking into him every time he hears a negative comment, or like when, uh, oh God, what's his name? Valentino? When Valentino's like, uh, beating him, there's like this little red line and it looks like poison is just seeping into him and that's it. Reminded me of like gaslighting, reminded me of like, oh, so that's like because it's sticking with him every time and we it kind of it's a nod back to, I think it's like the form of a chain, when you notice, basically you had him, came to him, yeah.
Speaker 5:Yes, I love that part, I love that little nuance of how like. But that's how like gaslighting or how manipulation works. It starts to like, it changes your formula, changes your thoughts, cause, like when he was listening to the voicemails in an earlier episode, the line starts. You can see that little glowy line flow into him and he's like crap, let me go get drunk, let me let me, you can change baby at a trash, like you never change.
Speaker 1:I'll see you later, baby.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it's like those little nitpicks that build up over time. It's like Angel may have agreed to this to begin with, but it's he's clearly doesn't want it anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and at the same way how it played out with this, except, like with this, he thought he was working for his idol, but it was like is never meet your heroes, apparently.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:If I could even like take this moment real quick. So, as far as about the like, sex work is a very big thing that most people try to shy over because they don't realize how bad, how that industry really works. Keeping in mind on this, there's some people that wound up joining into the sex industry because they want to. Obviously, we're now into them. We live in a timeframe of only fans and we're not getting into that. Jb, why are you pointing me?
Speaker 1:out.
Speaker 4:Why are you?
Speaker 5:pointing me out. You know, don't start.
Speaker 4:Because we tend to like rant onto it and we all have our feelings into it. So it was. But and the thing about it is because we also understand that there's some people who do it and there's a reasoning for it Like everybody has a reasoning for it and we respect the fact that everybody has reasons for it the biggest thing about it is the fact that there are there's actually multiple documentaries and there are articles and stuff about sex work and how how that industry really works, and what Angel goes through is something that a lot of those sex workers go through. Like there's some dudes that wind up going in and in their mindset they're like oh, I'm just going to only be doing women, that's all that goes. But once you sign a contract, you don't realize that most of those guys don't read the contract, and when they sign it they don't realize that they also signed it. They have to do gay porn as well too, and so there's a lot of guys that don't really want to, but they don't have a choice. You signed it, you signed into the contract and in that contract, technically, like for the moment of time that the camera is on and recording your body, is that person's, is the producer's property, they are allowed to do what they want to do with you outside of course, like harming and killing you, because we're not into that Cause that's not a thing anymore and that used to be a thing way back in the past, unfortunately. But it's like most people sign these contracts and don't realize. But then there's also the other aspect of it too. Keep in mind Angel. People look down on Angel Like it's that whole thing of like, oh, he's a sex worker, it's whatever. Oh, he just does porn, oh, it's whatever. They only look at him for sexual purposes and outside of that they just assume that he's stupid and dumb and that's obviously not what the case is.
Speaker 4:I remember there wanted being a whole article thing for like Pinky and I'm like there was a whole thing, a whole interview process into her where she tried to get out and she wound up having no choice but to go back in and it was one of those things like she only wanted to do it for like college, she only wanted to do it for a little bit of time. It was a way of making money, because it was hard trying to keep a nine to five job or like trying to keep even a part time job while still going through college and studying and stuff, versus, I do this one video and I get paid the same amount of money. I would get paid for like three weeks of work or like for like a month or two months worth of work for just one video. I do it this one time and that's it. But then you don't realize, like some people don't realize, that it sticks that heavily with them that it becomes such a big thing and it literally like that poison, those insults, everything that sticks with you is the poison, also not just from the producers that made you go through the stuff that you go through, but also the other people that look down upon you because you wound up making that decision and some people make that decision because that was. It was a hard decision. Some people did not want that to be their decision. They felt there was really no other choice and in most cases that kind of was it they didn't really have much of a little choice. Family members was either did not want to help them or was not able to help them. Close friends that they had unfortunately just was not able to provide the shelter and the lifestyle to be able to help them progress through. So they wound up actually having to sign that contract and that could be the case with Angel is like for him. We don't know exactly whether or not he signed the contract because he wanted to or because he felt that he really needed to. We don't know why he signed the contract, but regardless of the fact is this he signed that contract and that's what he dealt with.
Speaker 4:And Nifty is one of my favorite characters, and so Nifty don't give a fuck about nobody. So she goes to the club and she's just everywhere, and I love how Angel is like I have to protect my people, like these are friends that actually care about me, care about my well-being. They love me for who I am. And then Nifty just wanders off. He's like where's she at? Where's she at? And he's like he's being that big old, that older brother. That's like you got to chill out. And when Valentino tries to hit Nifty, he's like no, he says you can do whatever you want to do with me. Yes, you own me, whatever, but you're not going to do that shit to my friends. I stand up for my friends. I don't give a fuck about that.
Speaker 1:Specifically, he said you can do whatever you want to me on set, but outside those doors I don't answer to you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, pretty much yeah.
Speaker 6:And also I think you're right on the whole. Valentino straight up said and I think the second episode, like he employs every down on his luck center. So, he's purposely preying on those who are in bad situations, which is probably true to life.
Speaker 5:Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:And then also I hear what you're saying and that sounds good, but can we go back to the parts where I'm shocked and appalled that y'all painting me at this villain, to where I'm like I'm not going to talk about these. I dare y'all.
Speaker 4:Look, I'm saying in the fact that I don't want to go into a whole different like this is the only.
Speaker 1:Thing.
Speaker 4:I don't want to go into a thing about it because it's still a heavily sensitive topic. Like I can put it this way I mentioned the thing about Newfans but then just move on to porn industry as a whole type of thing and we can say stuff about porn industry as a whole. When it comes to just only fans, that's unfortunately it's a very thin line across right now, like it's a heavy thin line across right now. It's like the biggest things in culture today is only fans for women and podcasts for guys. So it's like when we talk about only fans, they immediately come after us about what y'all doing podcast. You think people just want to listen to. You talk about nonsense and da da, da, da da. That unfortunately has happened. It happens a lot.
Speaker 3:Really Wait, I didn't get it.
Speaker 1:You're bringing up that specific topic that you know. Stop it, stop it.
Speaker 5:You're ignorant. I'm like. Forgive me for my ignorance.
Speaker 4:But that's what I'm saying. It's like that happens and, considering the fact that we are on a podcast right now, it's just. It's just like look, this is too much, it becomes too much and I hate that it becomes too much. I hate that. It's like you're messing with me Because I don't want you to be targeted. You are the head of this. You are the head of this.
Speaker 1:No, no, no when you tried to explain it, and then it's like, because you know the whole thing, with only fans versus podcast, like you knew how I felt about that one time.
Speaker 4:Yes, I do.
Speaker 5:I'm so. I told you, let me get careful, you stay safe.
Speaker 4:But yeah, I don't want you to get. I don't need no fire coming at you whatsoever. You are heading this. You have us going so many different projects and a lot of these projects will succeed. We got this. I don't need no fire from you to whatsoever, and it's my goal to make sure that I'm helping that world.
Speaker 1:It's making me very angry.
Speaker 5:Well, can we talk about Husqvar?
Speaker 4:Husqvar is my favorite character from the pilot. So keep in mind, I'll say so. Some of y'all, some of y'all, may know, if y'all follow my page, that I actually had started a little comic series of Curtis the Cocker and the classy pup. Politrally, my main character is a bartender who takes no shit from nobody.
Speaker 4:That is literally how I had this character. That's that's who he is. But also, I mean, my character doesn't talk. He's not mute, he just doesn't want to because his actions speak louder and his actions speak. I love that. That's why that's how I wrote out the story for him. I can't wait till I can finish, like you know, actually writing, making the comics and stuff, drawing pictures for it. But it's like Husq has always been my favorite character, since the pilot episode. I'm here, but I don't want to be here, but I'm going to do my job and the fact that literally not one person has complained about his drinks you notice that, right, like this dude know how to mix. He is a fantastic mix. Nobody complains about it whatsoever.
Speaker 6:Well, Angel wants, but I think it's just because he was having a bad day.
Speaker 4:Angel was just being sour because he knew, because he complained about it, but then asked for another one. If you complain about it, you're not going to want another one.
Speaker 1:No, no see, I like how in the pilot, as soon as hugs showed up with bar and whatnot, bad was like no, we can't have this. Like this bookie, we can't have like this bar, keep broth.
Speaker 5:I love how Angel just goes and takes the whole bottle from the box it doesn't even has just walked straight up.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. But I love Husq's character and the fact that we get a chance to understanding how it is that he wound up signing a contract with Alistair. And it's also amazing to understand that Husq is like that hidden character that you don't know is actually powerful, because so far we get like little snippets of every single person. When we first introduced to Husq, we just like, okay, he just seems like, oh, he was just another character, I like his design, he seems cool, but then you find out, no, he was also an overlord himself, so he's actually immensely powerful. But what wound up happening was is that he allowed his own greed to get to him, which I still find it to be a great reference with Hell of a Boss too, because in the fact we already had brought up about Fizz, but it's one of those things of like he allowed his own greed and his own muster and lust for power to corrupt him, which is a common thing that would happen in Hell, of course, and it wound up against the point.
Speaker 1:He locked in and he was cleaning out and agreeing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and so he wound up, in order to try to save his power, literally made a deal with the devil in Hell, with the worst devil, the radio demon, and wound up agreeing to a contract that he truly did not read the fine line on. He did not read the fine print of what was really in this contract that he made, and it also makes it kind of-.
Speaker 6:I have a question if that's true, because he was an overlord. So he deals in souls just like Alistair does. Yeah, but then we also understand how he's been great at trickstaring people Like-.
Speaker 1:Well, well, well I get. The house doesn't always win, Right.
Speaker 4:But then also keep in mind on this too, because it brings forth a question I felt and I hate jumping onto it, but I mean we're getting close to the end, so just still it makes me question what's the fine line in this? Like what is this necessary deed that Charlie would have to do with Alistair whenever he calls? Like just one thing. Like what is that fine line? Like my wife has some theories on her own to that aspect and it's pretty interesting because in fact it's like it's obvious that you know it's going to play into the fact that she is Lucifer's daughter and it's the daughter of Lytle. Like it's going to play into that aspect, obviously because it's Alistair, so we know there's going to be a big undermining into that.
Speaker 4:But it's like those fine lines of contracts, those deals, it's dangerous. Like people in power fall to that themselves too when they find themselves desperate. You find yourselves desperate and you're getting you jump into something and you don't fully know what it is you're jumping into because you miss those fine details. Kind of like what I was talking about before we had started the podcast, when I told you about me getting scammed, thinking I had a job before I didn't read the fine details. I didn't really fully read the fine print and it wasn't until the bank had told me about that check that I tried to cash that they were like this check already seemed issued. They said, think about how you got your. How did you get this check? I was like where it was? They say it was mail to you and they're like, yeah, was it mail to you through USPS or was it mail to you through some other carryouts? Like it came through FedEx and like any check that comes through FedEx is an absolute scam.
Speaker 4:I was young then. I didn't know that I never got a check through FedEx before. I mostly always did direct deposit. I did have a job. Like my first job I had to get physical checks before I got direct deposit before it. So I was like, oh, that's what this is like. I filled out my direct deposit form and then that's how my bank account also got hacked too, because so I literally went through the whole process like I had a job, like I thought I had everything, but I did not read the fine print.
Speaker 4:And when I go back and look at those details I'm like, oh, this shit was a scam from the beginning, but I didn't know, and it's like that's the same issue that Husqvon have all been falling into. He found himself desperate in need of something, falling on his own mistake of things, and he was like he tried to find the easiest way out of it. It seemed too easy, but he didn't pay attention to that and it wound up like it cost him and who knows like, even to the point where, regardless of whatever shit that he'll say to Alistair, alistair will not hesitate to bring that chain, to literally construct that chain and bring him up to him. It says if you ever think about saying that shit to me again, it'll be your screams that they hear on the radio next. Like that shit right, there is a real thing, though. Oh, okay.
Speaker 5:So this, okay, this makes. So, you know, artists sign like and this is my last little thing artists sign 360 deals, like musical artists will sign those terrible 360 deals. And I think it's funny that Alistair is, you know, the radio star, he's the voice of radio right, and then he's making people sign all of these terrible, absolutely horrendous deals but no one's reading the fine print, because it just sounds good and if you're desperate for money or you're desperate for fame, it, oh, I love that. Parallel to that, that's kind of, who did you brought that up? Do you hear what I mean?
Speaker 5:Cause, like that's cool, that's, I mean cause that's such a good uh, freaking parallel to that, and then even going back into it radio killed the video star. It's a song and I'm like oh, oh.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there's a lot of. There's a reason that Alistair is so dangerous and radio is dangerous Technically. When you think about it, podcasting is just another form of radio. As much as like it will feel as though like radio has been left behind because everyone's going to videos. Radio has never been left behind. You may not listen to the radio, but you'll listen to an MP3. If you open Spotify and you click on your artist, keep in mind, unless you have a specific playlist that you choose from, if you click on the artist, you're clicking on that artist radio. That's why you'll listen to a bunch of a bunch of songs by that artist and then it'll transition to an artist just like it, because you're listening to a digital radio. It's all still radio. Radio still exists. We're still doing it. You just don't quite fully realize the fact that, oh, it's like. Well, radio has been left behind. It hasn't? It's evolving right alongside with us. We're playing in the Alistair's hands right now, just saying, yeah, he's been put in his aspect too.
Speaker 4:Shark Tank. You know, shark Tank was a very big thing. There was one episode that stuck out to me with Shark Tank and that was with the Cheese guy. It was this dude that came on Shark Tank. He was completely in a complete cheese outfit, had a cheese hat, had a big goofy, weird ass tie with a bunch of cheese on it, and he had a good idea about cheese factory and stuff, like how he would be able to make his own processing, his own cheese and stuff. And so one of the main dudes in Shark Tank made him a deal. He was like this is the deal I'm going to take. But then they thought that he was. You know, he's so silly and goofy. Even his presentation was kind of silly. They thought that he was dumb and so he literally sat there, pulled out a notebook while the dude was talking and wrote down everything and then said okay, so based on what you said, you're saying that I would never own my business if I signed with you. You made it. You did a fancy way of saying that I'm going to owe you and then, even if, for whatever reason, if my business fails within the first year, I still owe you 10 years of money that I have to keep paying you. No, that's a bad deal, I'm not going to sign on that.
Speaker 4:So many people sign with Shark Tank and don't. They don't fully listen to those contracts. They listen to the fancy words and you don't understand what they mean. Like how William said I think people just don't understand what that mean with these words mean it's a real thing. A lot of these business tycoons will say these fancy terms or make it sound so nice, and Alistair does that. When he signs a contract he hits you where it feels, when it hits you in that moment and he uses these such nice, sweet words that is so beneficial for you that you miss there's a bit, there's a butt into it and that's why badgie didn't like him at all. She's like there's always something with your contracts. So what if there is Kind of just food without my bad?
Speaker 5:Well, you got my head definitely in a tailspin and definitely coming up with all of the different theories. You know how I get.
Speaker 4:Look, y'all know I'm a theorist too. I know this Well, leah and you guys are new, y'all don't know, but I'm a very, I'm very, very serious Theory. Philosophy is like my biggest thing. That's what makes me so. That's why I like being fantasy club president, loving to all of these things. But I am so sorry the floor is back to y'all again. I am so sorry. I just I was really rang while husband was my favorite character, but also why Alistair is definitely favorite character of mine.
Speaker 6:So my bad, you can see you all that's all your favorite Pretty much I love the show Everybody.
Speaker 1:All right. Anybody got anything else to say on episode four before we move forward? No, anything, all right.
Speaker 1:Episode five my favorite episode, because the main man himself, lucifer, steps in to wear all night trying to figure out a way to reconnect with heaven and love, with no other options. She calls on daddy Lucifer. He shows up to the hotel, not impressed by the hotel, but he ended up class with Alistair. I'm going to explain that later. Now they are interrupted when Alistair friend Memsy Bargeon wanted to meet with Alistair. Husk is distrust what Memsy claimed, that she only shows up whenever she needs something. Alistair brushed that off when husband. But when husband hits that Alistair is on a debt to someone, alistair loses his temper and threats to kill Husk if he steps out line again. Now Husk's suspicions of Memsy are later revealed to be true as several long shot demons attack the hotel in attempt to find her. Alistair uses power to kill the long shots easily before forcing Memsy to leave, not wanting the hotel to be damaged further. Lucifer reveals that he believes Charlie's plan is impossible because centers are inherently evil and that heaven will never listen to her. And this upsets Charlie. But they ultimately reconcile and Lucifer agrees to arrange Charlie another meeting with heaven.
Speaker 1:Now the musical numbers is Hell's Greatest Dads, but it's also a banger. And then there was more than anything which was kind of touching. You know, disney vibes once again. But let's circle back to this beat between Alistair and Lucifer, and I was going to wait until the end, but I gotta do this now. I had a theory since the pilot that I think Alistair might be working for Lilith, because the way he looked at that family portrait in the pilot's, where it's like okay, he's just looking at it right, and then he looked pan right towards Lilith and I don't know if they can hold on. That feels like a check off's gone. I feel like he didn't just do that for no particular reason. I feel like that was a wink to where, like maybe because, look, when I said that, okay, lilith was gone for seven years, alistair was gone for seven years, coincidence.
Speaker 6:Okay, that's a very popular theory, by the way.
Speaker 4:My wife thought that they would fucking just say just stay up.
Speaker 6:Except for.
Speaker 1:Alistair's ace. Yeah, oh yeah, all the time that Angel tried to hit on Alistair and Puss, but Alistair was like uh, no, thank you. And then Rosie I mean we're kind of jumping. But Rosie was like yeah, we know you're an ace in the hole and I was like a what now?
Speaker 3:All right.
Speaker 6:So, like I said, lilith has actually been one of the most popular theories I've seen floating around, being the one to own Alistair's soul, but I found a very interesting one that I actually think is more interesting, and that is Eve has only been mentioned, but she has not been seen. But, by the way, this show has its logic and stuff. Eve would be the original sinner, which would mean that she would be in a position of power above all other sinners. What if she's the one who owns Alistair and she plans on taking out the family that royally?
Speaker 3:fucked her over. Oh, this would explain.
Speaker 6:Alistair's beef with Lucifer right away, why Alistair doesn't like Adam and why Lilith might be missing altogether.
Speaker 1:Hmm, interesting, because, yeah, you're right, you know, it's really funny how Eve, even with the backstory to where, okay, yeah, lucifer was with Lilith at first and then he moved on to Eve, and oh, even with that joke between Lucifer versus Adam, which where it's like, oh well, you know, your first wife didn't mind what I had to offer, and neither did your second, and it's also.
Speaker 6:This would also make sense for Alistair to be helping the hotel, because if it's Eve, she either wants to destroy the royal family or she may be someone who very well would want this concept to work. Either way, she wins, whether the hotel is a success or failure. So, sending the most powerful overlord, and if she made a deal with Alistair when he first got to hell, or even made a deal with him before he died, that would also explain why he is so powerful, because he has the original sinner backing him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's another thing why I agree with y'all as far as these seasons should have been like 12 episodes, because I would have really loved some more backstory on Alistair, like. I mean I understand you like mysterious and sinister, but it's like I got no more about you, man.
Speaker 5:I guess we'll see in season 2. But we know more about him now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we know more about him now. Would you want to watch season 2.? I mean, probably, yes, still, but just like that, secrecy to be revealed later on is usually the best in storytelling, yeah.
Speaker 5:It's also kind of funny that you bring up that theory, because I was thinking that the original Lilith had been switched out with Eve. Like Eve has taken her place.
Speaker 6:Like that's also a pretty big possibility too inside the demon world here. Because there's also been yeah, go ahead, go ahead. No, no, no, no, no, go. Well, I've also seen a lot of theories that this particular Lilith that we did see at the end of the season might be an imposter and not the real Lilith, and it's like, well then, it could still be Eve and, like I said, eve could still very easily be the one who owns Alistair's soul.
Speaker 1:That would be a good Dun dun dun, because.
Speaker 4:If I could put it even in this little aspect here as a possible, this could either morph your theory or kind of go further into it. It's understanding that Vivian has herself stated that she has a very interesting background with Christianity. I believe it. So, yeah, obviously, with Power of the Story goes, it's a very interesting background with it, and so the biggest thing about it is especially like in Satanist and I'm not saying that Vivian is a Satanist, but just something about Satanist is the fact that, like Satanism is in real retrospect rebelliousness.
Speaker 4:The original that, like the original version of it, is just rebellion, not so much just rebellion of God, but rebellion, rebellion of order, literally more so like how Assassin's Creed chaos brings forth freedom type thing. So everyone should be in the right of their own versus being stuck to a specific path of life. And so, when it comes down to the Lilith understanding into one of the biggest aspects that, even though Lilith is not a new concept, it's only it was only so many years ago that Lilith wound up coming out to the world that people found out more about her, and the reason was mainly because Lilith is mainly in the upper.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because it's it's. She is in the Jewish Bible. She's specifically there. But the thing about it is because the Jew, like because Judaism, has such a big hold on their books, there was a bunch of stuff that could not be, that was refused to be released, especially after the Crusades. It wasn't until the Internet that we were finally able to do it. Primarily like was a you version is like the most popular version to read Bibles in right now, but they have like multiple different versions of the Christian Bible that's all put together and various different denominations.
Speaker 4:But with that is where it became most popularized that we were able to read the hidden books of the Bible, the books that the Jewish purposely kept hidden, and like the two biggest ones was a branch off more into the book of Genesis with more stories and in the under revealing of Lilith, and then the book of Enoch, where we got a chance to talk about Demi humans. Where is one of the biggest things of light, where Christianity was so disassociated from every other religion? In the fact that Christianity only talked about one per se Demi human and that was Jesus. But when you find out in the book of Enoch, you find out that, no, there were other Demi humans even referenced in Christian belief as well too. It was purposely hidden until the Internet allowed everyone to read it, and then it became more popular. Arms out things go into it.
Speaker 4:So one of the biggest things about Lilith is the fact of her rebelliousness. Literally, the way the story is written is that God created Adam and then created Lilith, and Lilith was not made from Adam. Lilith was made the same way that Adam was made from the dirt and from God's like spit, you know. It just wanted one of forming them, like clay, into who they are. But because Lilith was of her own person, she refused to submit to Adam and then left the Garden of Eden, therefore leaving Adam alone. And this is where the most popular version of the Christian Bible winds up, taking into effect where we now are, opening of OK, there's more. Here we actually have Eve, who was created from Adam's ribs.
Speaker 4:That way he wouldn't be lonely. And so what was happening here is that we get a chance to. We almost completely forget about them after this moment. She's never mentioned again, and there's a reference that in the book of revelations there is a powerful demonic woman who rides the Great Beast that brings forth the apocalypse, and it's believed that this person is Lilith believed to be. However, there's not, there's no confirmation on that. So it's one of those things of like.
Speaker 4:Lilith is so much of a mystery that she's been incorporated into literally everything. The keeping in mind is for say that Eve is the original center because she ate, that she ate the fruit, the ambrosia, the apple, whatever the fruit is supposed to be. But when we throw in Lilith in that aspect, in technicality Lilith would have been the original center because her first thing was that she refused to submit and left. But the thing about it is is that because she never partook of the fruit, whereas even Adam did, and they became mortal, lilith would technically still be immortal. She only left the garden, but she was never punished. There's no recollection of that whatsoever.
Speaker 4:So with that we have all these different theories of who Lilith could be. Maybe she left and married Satan and maybe she left and started her own thing in the other part of the world, because it was obviously because it was one other thing that hasn't been explained where with Cain and Abel, where Cain killed Abel and then he left, but obviously he had a child. They somehow that skipped along that apparently he had children, but how did he have children, feels by himself? Did he go marry Lilith? There's so many different questions that's unanswered. Based into that, that gives an opportunity to develop her, to be who she is.
Speaker 4:And so with that aspect of it, I would even say more so, lilith has a power that no mortal has, and it's that that she probably still is immortal, and because of the fact that she still is that, how would she have been able to traverse into hell and traverse into heaven? And it kind of leaves for us those questions of like how would she have gotten there? Where would this have gone if, technically, she's still alive, whereas everyone else has died to get to those places? She's the only human that's able to traverse through heaven and hell with no issues, without dying, without death. What type of power would that like grant her type of thing?
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I can move out. Yeah, uh, ladies, you'll got anything to add on to that?
Speaker 6:It's charming how human.
Speaker 3:That has been tossed around a lot actually.
Speaker 6:I mean, lilith has a demon form, so whatever happened, she is definitely like a part of hell now, but it's like it's charming, how human.
Speaker 1:It's your other half, technically half angel or she half demon.
Speaker 6:I mean because Lucifer in this particular version still has, he still considered an angel, just fallen.
Speaker 1:You know, when you put it that way.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she has hooves for feet. That's the only thing I can really think about in that aspect is that she has hooves for feet, so kind of.
Speaker 3:Are we?
Speaker 4:sure she has hooves Because.
Speaker 6:I don't think we've ever seen her barefooted, have we? Yes, we have actually.
Speaker 4:So we have. So I follow some. I follow some, some artists that love breaking rule of 34, rule of 62 and all that stuff.
Speaker 6:So I would look it up, but I don't want Charlie's feet on my search board.
Speaker 4:Exactly so I'm going to save you the trouble.
Speaker 4:You see how I'm trying to help you out here. Literally. One of the artists I follow specifically made a post about the fact that it shows Charlie one time when she's sitting on the couch and she's super excited, she picks her legs up and she's holding her legs like in gleeful excitement. You can see her feet and they're not shoes, they're actual hooves. So she actually does have hooves, like as far as like the devil hooves kind of thing. So and then when we get a chance to take a look at her devil form, when she finally does go down from God and wait on this, I would like to see what kind of evening it's like whenever she get a little mad.
Speaker 1:It's like, okay, you kind of see the little demon coming out of her. But then the final balance for okay. Now I see how we finally get to see a taller two in that form. It's like it's kind of Nell from mom bleeds, were you know okay, don't get me thinking.
Speaker 4:Anyway, but you know I love Nellie L but for us like so we do she does have hooves for feet. So technically based on even form in her devil form she does get a little taller. It kind of expresses more of her demonic feet, but you can also see more of the angelic in her as well too. Like when Lucifer decides to finally like go in, he's like oh, I'm about to actually do this shit, and he pulls out his wings. It's like yo, okay, we can actually see how this kind of works out. We can actually see that on the comparisons into it and so, yeah, you could say right now she's, she is half angel. Definitely. You can see that in how her devil form awakens. But it makes me question what is truly a devil form in this universe. This is not, like devil may cry, devil form, I think.
Speaker 1:I was thinking it, I was just thinking it Like devil trigger, but this isn't even that was called hell the form.
Speaker 4:Yeah yeah, Like in that one. I think it's one of those things like if you kind of like how the other sins.
Speaker 6:They have their hell beast form, their normal form and their small form. Lucifer, he's just stuck short.
Speaker 4:But he's powerful as hell. So you know he's a short kind of stand on business.
Speaker 6:Well, when he wants to, that's still hilarious that he doesn't have a big for everyone else. That's not him or guy. Even Charlie got taller.
Speaker 4:As I work. I mean, but he's an angel, he wasn't a hell beast, so and so, but yeah, it's one of those. I would definitely say, in that aspect, like I would think more so, not so much a half human but because she's been a resident of hell for so long that she has a hell beast form. But I'm actually curious to see what she may have an angel for.
Speaker 1:Also keep in mind. Lucifer was said to be the most beautiful angel in heaven. Would you really be satisfied with Lucifer going full Zarbana on you?
Speaker 6:No, I'm not saying that, I just find hilarious that even in his powerful forms he's still tiny.
Speaker 4:But also keep in mind too, is described that he's supposed to be the most beautiful. In every single part of his body is a musical instrument.
Speaker 5:Yeah, his arms, his legs, his arm, his leg, his arm, his leg.
Speaker 4:His dick is a flute. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3:I mean, if you want to blow on it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm sure Lilith and Eve didn't mind.
Speaker 4:If Adam was here right now Blowing on that flute, you can only say that because of what happened to Adam. That's the only reason you can say that, otherwise you know he'd go right now. What you say, you got words now.
Speaker 3:Anyway.
Speaker 4:But I will say it. So one thing to keep in mind as far as like Lucifer in this aspect is not as accurate Keep in mind as well too, is that Lucifer has three, has six wings, which makes him a seraph. But Lucifer, like as far as like like actual Bible reference, is not a seraph. He does not have three, he does not have six wings. So there is one thing in said he's he was not one of those high rank demons.
Speaker 1:Well, not one of those high rank demons? Quick question, just random. Was Azazel of seraph? Yeah, arkin.
Speaker 5:You mean, you have Arkin?
Speaker 4:Azazel. Are you talking about Azazel from Lucifer?
Speaker 1:No, the actual like the real, you know biblical.
Speaker 4:So, as far as like, who are?
Speaker 1:Because we were talking about anything I don't like. I would say they look from high school D by D.
Speaker 4:This is true, this is true, but we're not going to go into that. There's only seven main archangels, and that is Michael Gabriel, yuryel Camwell who's also cat name is Camel, rafael, jofeo and Zadkyu.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Azazel was like the first ball angel supposedly in the apocrypha.
Speaker 4:In actuality. No, he actually was not the first Azazel is. Azazel was one of was one of the first angels to side over. Also, keep in mind I'll say this too, if you want to really dive into it and that obviously I'm going to do a whole thing on that another time, not now, but if you really want to dive into it the people who've actually had a chance of checking into it reading not just the apocrypha, looking to Judaism actually also look specifically into the Quran, with Islam as well as also Christianity. None of those specifically says that Lucifer is Satan. None of them say that. Yeah, I noticed that. Oh, like how come they don't call him Satan.
Speaker 4:If you put those comparisons together, it winds up coming off as if Satan was actually a completely different person. So it kind of comes into the question, but there's no real say who Satan actually is. It just winds up being a branded name that's given to this person, but they never actually say that that's Lucifer. So keep in mind for that one as well too. Because of those questions being unanswered, that's not some comparisons that we can make to this show, because the fact that it's not properly proven into it, people will still just go ahead and say Lucifer is Satan. That's just what we kind of leave it as Type of thing.
Speaker 6:At least inside this universe. Satan is one of the rulers of the Rafferings.
Speaker 4:Yes, it's like a marketplace. Yeah, so they're keeping a separate person in that little aspect, but as far as like. But yeah, so Lucifer is not fully accurate into it, but it's still okay. It's not meant to be fully accurate. It's supposed to be a great, entertaining show that gets a chance to talk about different things. It also talks about rebellion as well, too, because a lot of stuff is flawed in heaven in this show and, honestly, it's funny that we talk about this now, because I know this episode is going to go out pretty soon. It's already a big talk. Right now.
Speaker 4:There's a girl that's trending on TikTok and Instagram for talking about where was God during slavery, and he was sitting on his high horse, just sitting back watching it all happen, because this is how it's supposed to go and everyone's just going to become Christian. And then, like this, some people that's like, oh, I'm happy that slavery happened, because slavery didn't happen, I would have never been a Christian and this wanted to be the best thing in my life. It's like so you're happy for slavery, type of thing, and it's like it's becoming a very big thing. And I have my own I'm going to go ahead and say theory into it, because the fact that I am a Christian, but I'm a Christian who has looked, like I've already said, into every other denomination. I've also looked into all other religions and philosophies as well too. I have made comparison notes in the fact that a lot of these religions are not as different as you think they may be, and not just because of the fact that, like, oh, christianity has changed over the years because they adapted all of these other religions into themselves to become what it is today type of thing too, because that is also valid. The Christianity today is not the Christianity that was during slave time, and the Christianity during slave time is not the Christianity that was during way back in time as well too. It has changed a hell of a lot. So, realistically, the Bible is nowhere near accurate. Lots of mistranslations, lots of different things into that. So if you wound up going into that last but that's a whole different thing itself of how things are.
Speaker 4:But the show is about rebelliousness into things. You can make mistakes and be forgiven, and that's one of the biggest aspects of the has been hotel itself. These senators don't want to be in hell anymore. You wait for me to tie it back, my bad, these humans don't want to be in hell anymore. They want to be forgiven and going back. Well, that's what. That's what Charlie is trying to say. He's trying to say like they should deserve to be back, which, no, refers back to the first episode. Hell is forever. You went to hell, you made your decision. You don't want to be forgiven. And it's like well, now that we've made this mistake, why can't we go back? I would even make just this one quick reference so we can move forward, because it's getting late and I am so sorry, but obviously we love the show. Jb, I've told you time and time again you need to watch the good place. I don't know why you have not seen this yet. You need to watch the good place.
Speaker 3:Oh yes, it is good, it is real good.
Speaker 4:Yeah the good place is the story? Just in short, it's a story about a couple main characters. At first it was being a bit of a plot twist. I'm not going to spoil into that. They go to the good place, but they find out that something seems off and it was a spawning this whole thing. As far as the fact, like, if people make mistakes, if they send and go to hell, can they? Can they get an opportunity to be forgiven and they show that they can actually redeem themselves? They've made the mistake? Can they redeem themselves and actually go to heaven? And then it also spawns forth.
Speaker 4:This is one of the questions of, actually one of the books that I'm writing right now that spawn this whole book series that I've been writing since 2010 is what if a demon wants to be forgiven? What if a demon says I don't like being in hell, I made a mistake. Can I come back? Because one of the biggest things in Christian philosophy is the fact that demons made a mistake in God's presence and they don't want to. But how do we know? And so then that's the whole thing that poses for Charlie. Charlie was born in hell. Do you think that she deserves to be there? What did she do. What was her saying? That she had to be in hell. Why is she there?
Speaker 5:Oh, that's a good question.
Speaker 6:At this point I would say, Charlie is just technically a hellborn.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but why is that her fault?
Speaker 3:It's not any of the hellborn's fault.
Speaker 4:Exactly. But they're forced to be there and die, they're forced to suffer through the extermination.
Speaker 3:Well, they don't want the hellborns.
Speaker 6:The hellborns aren't supposed to touch the hellborns, yeah specifically are not.
Speaker 3:They say they're only supposed to go after the sinners.
Speaker 4:I mean they tried to touch Carmilla's daughters. Are they hellborns?
Speaker 6:They're sinners. Everyone we meet in pride, pretty much, is sinners. Unless you're an emperor, charlie, you're a sinner, and the angels are only allowed to touch the sinners.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 6:In fact the fact that they actually did have hellborns is why we think Lucifer was allowed to even intervene.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because if it hadn't have been for Lute killing, razzle or Dazzle, whichever one, then Lucifer might not have been able to step in, because they haven't killed any hellborns. And that was their thing is leave the hellborns alone. It's only the sinners you're allowed to go after. But as soon as they killed I can't remember if it's Razzle or Dazzle that died- that's when Lucifer came in and he was able to kill or fight off the angels.
Speaker 1:It was Razzle.
Speaker 6:Yeah. Yeah, they killed the hellborn and that's broke the contract.
Speaker 1:Yeah, alright, speaking of all this, let's go ahead and talk about the process. It does tie into what y'all were saying. It's where episode six Welcome to Heaven. To where Charlie and Baggy go to Heaven. They get welcomed by Sarah and Emily and I'm going to go have your turn hold on. So Adam and Luc confront Baggy, who is revealed to be a former exterminated angel who was stripped of her wings and her left eye by Luc after his fair herd, defenseless center child during a previous extermination. And Baggy has not told Charlie the truth about her past yet and Adam threatens to tell her.
Speaker 1:A trial intended to decide where their souls and hell or redeem begins, shown through the hologram, through the trial that Angel does, friend Cherry Bomb, she makes up here from the part of, she takes them to and the others to the nightclub where Joana is saved. Nifty, the hotel made from Valentino. Y'all already talked about it earlier. Basically, this proved that Angel Doug is his own man and that Charlie claimed that this proved that Angel Doug being redeemable, revealing that the angels themselves didn't even know how souls enter Heaven. While arguing over the case, adam accidentally reveals that he was behind the extermination plans, causing Emily to distrust Sarah, and Sarah knew about the plans and didn't tell her. And then Adam also tells Charlie that Baggy's past as an exterminator which caused Charlie to not trust Baggy that much, but she still loved her though. And then the court finds that there's no evidence that center can be redeemed. So Adam sends Charlie and Baggy back to hell, promising that the next extermination will begin in a month and he'll be coming after the hotel first, and then Emily Vowles to help Charlie and all that.
Speaker 1:The musical numbers was Welcome to Heaven, and you didn't know. And you didn't know it was actually a vanger to where it's like. If Heaven is forever, then it has a lie. You know, that.
Speaker 3:If Hell is forever, then Heaven must be a lie. That's why I love that song the rules are states of grave.
Speaker 6:Angels can do what they want and still stay in the sky. Yep, you know what?
Speaker 1:This is one point I always need to make this whole time when y'all were talking. Essentially, this whole series is one big devil's advocate, yep.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna say yes and no.
Speaker 6:Very literal sense.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna say yes and no because of the fact that, like, depends on who you call the devil in that aspect, my bad mirror. What are you trying to say?
Speaker 5:No, I'm saying I agree with you.
Speaker 3:You should exactly what I was saying.
Speaker 4:So yeah, depending on who you call the devil. Yes, in this aspect, because it does become that thing of like, because there's two big issues that happens with Heaven. In the series you have Heaven who are committing sins, because, let's be honest, is it not? Say thou shall not murder is not one of the Ten Commandments. Now, we understand there's also a mistranslation in that too, where thou shall not kill versus thou shall not murder, and there was a whole big thing about that. But still, regardless, is that still not one of the Ten Commandments? What makes you think you should be able to go down and kill sinners? What makes you think is you're not breaking one of God's rules?
Speaker 1:I mean the fact that the exterminator, the exorcist, wherever they call themselves, the fact that they look more yeah, the fact that they look like demons when they go on the fight, right.
Speaker 6:Even the whole fact that the exterminators are hiding themselves from Angel kind altogether.
Speaker 4:That's what I thought it was, but when you really look at some of the exterminations, they fly out of a giant hole in the sky and start blasting as soon as they come out.
Speaker 1:They're not hiding from somebody.
Speaker 6:They're not hiding from hell or the sinners or anything I'm saying, they are hiding themselves from heaven, heaven. Oh, to make them fight the skies yeah like the good souls that went up there and the preexisting angels didn't know about the exterminations. Right, that's what the big reveal was about was the fact that, oh, you guys have been killing sinners. What's wrong with you?
Speaker 4:Can I be honest and ask this aspect though? Who shot that vagu was an angel? I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 6:I knew this from the beginning. Her design clearly is from the pilot.
Speaker 4:And I like how Carmilla literally and I know this is like a jump into the next episode, but still I like how Carmilla just straight up says like you have a giant fucking X on your face, over your eye and you have an angel weapon. It's not rocket science.
Speaker 6:No, I think Charlie is the only one who is.
Speaker 5:But it makes sense why Vaggie is so protective of Charlie, because she's like man. You're so Like, you know, you're genuinely naive.
Speaker 3:I love you.
Speaker 4:I've been waiting to ask this question. That was one of the things I was actually curious about, what y'all thought, so I'm glad I'm with that memo. No, I'm just like, wait, I'm like.
Speaker 1:I just don't believe that she's a demon or born from hell.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I had the question how the hell she can see. I'm like, how do you see with a giant X over your that mean your eye is missing, or is that X your eye? Like is this angel theory where it's like you know, you have, like technically, serifs, and they did have this one. It went to court as well, too, that there was actual serifs up there that were biblically accurate, that are just one giant eye in the middle with a bunch of rings completely filled with eyes that continuously circled around and can foresee everything past, present, future and shit Like this is really weird. But that's what I was thinking Like. If you have like multiple eyes in the X or something like that, like I'm just curious, how do you see? Are you a cyclops? Like I'm really baggy Cyclops.
Speaker 6:I think baggage was the cyclops at this point. That's what I'm thinking. We saw her lose her eye in the flashback, so yeah, right.
Speaker 4:So then you just a giant X just fills that spot Like I don't know. It's a very interesting design choice and it throws me back to like soul eater. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Oh right.
Speaker 4:So I was just like I don't know. It's like just kind of have a soul eater vibe right now. I haven't watched that since, like I was in high school For real, but no, I was just very curious in that aspect. But I call a mistrial in that court. There's no proof that sinners can be redeemed, but there's no proof that says they can't. Well, until we can, until we can prove either one, we're just going to go with whatever we fucking feel like and just say no, you make the mistake, You're forever punished.
Speaker 6:Not even putting a hold, like even a temporary hold on the extermination.
Speaker 1:So yeah, we want some dirty as sinners in my neighborhood.
Speaker 6:they're going to get them.
Speaker 4:I call Bush in the fact that she's like. I did it to protect you, to protect my daughter. Everybody doing bullshit to protect their kids. Are you protecting your kids by doing bullshit? That's the real thing. It's a bit like I don't think you. I think you knew what the hell you wanted. You just didn't want nothing to happen to you.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, it's a half of the selfishness under the veneer of selflessness. True.
Speaker 4:I just believe her fear about Emily falling.
Speaker 6:I can believe that part.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, the theory that Emily might become like Lucifer, to where he's like another fallen angel, because of yeah, cue my technically one third of having to fail in the Bible and so far in the show only one has fallen. Well, I guess, well, I guess the other left. The overlords are assholes.
Speaker 6:Well, I actually think that the seven deadly sins were originally angels, but like Lucifer is generals, and that the rest of the fallen angels became the original hellborn. That's my theory anyways.
Speaker 4:I could see in that, I could see in that, but yeah, but this, this one this is one of those moments where I feel like shelter from fucking big bang theory is like I don't need sleep, I need
Speaker 1:answers Right.
Speaker 4:But that's what makes it so good, because, in fact, we're only like just over halfway through what we got, like two more episodes left, of course, but there's like think about it like we have all these different theories, all these different stories, all these different things that comparisons that we can make, all this different stuff that we're kind of just like really talking about. We have been talking about this for two hours now, good morning. It's real. It's real. Is this like? That's?
Speaker 4:That's when you have great storytelling, when you're able to keep bringing forth questions that keep your audience involved, you keep them guessing, you keep them wanting more with the next episode, even if you have like what we could probably say a man episode, because we all agree that we all have one episode in this in the season. That's like it was kind of OK. You still wanted to watch the next episode, though you still wanted to continue on. It wasn't so mad that it was like I might continue another episode another time. No, you still wanted to watch it. When it came out, you heard hey, has a hotel next episode drop? Well, for real time to watch it Like you was. You was in it, and so it's like that that's so true.
Speaker 5:And I will say, by this episode I had a theory about Adam, even though I hated Adam so much.
Speaker 1:No, call him Dick Master. I'm not calling him that. I was never going to say that I love him.
Speaker 5:But I had a theory about Adam and I honestly, truly started to think that Adam was playing the long game, because we, we, you know, we later find out. Like OK, so they don't know about it, right, like we find that out. But at this point I'm like, why is he so adamant about this extermination? Like what's going on with Adam? And I'm like, ok, maybe he jealous. I'm like, maybe he jealous that Lucifer stole his girls? Like both of them. He ain't even getting nothing out of the deal. And then you, it brought me back to like the beginning, where he's bragging about his sex life. He's like, yeah, I'm smashing this girl, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. I'm like, is he?
Speaker 4:Can I? Can I make a quick reference using something that you have done as well, Mira, because I love that you have done this? We're talking about Adam. Consider the fact that he's made a specific claim I am the birth of all of this. Why are you so adam about killing your children?
Speaker 3:Why.
Speaker 4:Why are you? It's like he takes, he literally puts the Adam and Adam.
Speaker 6:Yeah, like the way he kept talking, I kept wanting to like yell at the screen like it's dumbass. So they're this bad because it came from you.
Speaker 4:And he said that he specifically claimed that shit. So here's one of the funniest things about it is that the previous episode, episode five, is called Dad Beat Dad, and we look in that episode as Charlie having in a sense, two fathers. She has her dad, lucifer, who finally decided to step up at that point, but by that point she had her adoptive father, alastair.
Speaker 1:Well, the funny thing about that is that, yeah, you can kind of see it that way, but let's be honest, alastair doesn't really see himself as Charlie's father figure. It's more like he's just doing it just to piss off Lucifer.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I think that was the point it was doing it for.
Speaker 4:That's his point now, definitely after he finally met Lucifer, and then like they were going back and forth, that whole bandit was so fucking funny. But no, for real, but is this that? But it's that aspect. This is like yeah, he definitely, definitely did it at that point. But earlier on he was first he was seeing, like he was interested in the hotel. Then he actually did wind up standing. He's like oh, come on. He said girl, we got to brush it off. This hotel is going to keep going only if you keep it going. You have to keep smiling, you have to keep pushing, you have to keep going. Like he actually gave her a good word of advice.
Speaker 4:It was weird, it was very weird, hearing it from Alistair and then not come with like a repercussion. You know, because almost everything he says there's like a butt for it or there's a like something alongside it. That's always there. And it was like the only time that he's actually said something and that wasn't the case. And he beat himself up for that later. Like he literally beat himself up for that, like he literally called himself out. He's like am I really caring? Is this really happening? And he was like so upset about that. He's like to be fair.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry but with Charlie she just got that must protect and all cause vibe going on to where it's like right. It's almost like it's just something about you, to where he just melts the heart.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she's the hope. She's the hope of everything. Yeah.
Speaker 1:She's the chosen one.
Speaker 5:She makes me want to give her ice cream.
Speaker 4:True, true, but yeah, it's um, and obviously we talked we already talked about Angel this episode. We loved Angel so much. Angel's fucking awesome.
Speaker 5:Um, it's kind of just to tie it back in. Like you mentioned Adam, like you know, not caring about his kids it's kind of like what the fuck, Really? What he said like maybe, maybe two, it was the guilt that all of his kids became centers. Like how, like how many of my kids ended up not following the right path, not doing the right thing? What can I do if I, if I can't redeem them, If, if they're supposed to be living in hell and they're living miserably right, Like how can I save them?
Speaker 1:And the only way Even if they need the determination of your own children.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm going to be honest, based on the fact that he is a human, we can put that human mindset into it. I would still say, no, you can feel guilt, but that's still not. That's still not going to be the justification of like I'm going to take. He literally says he takes joy in killing, in killing them.
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 6:Maybe, you said the whole idea of him playing a long con. It's like that would be an interesting concept, especially since, skipping to the last episode, when they throw his halo at Lilith's feet. It's like your. What did they say? Like your contract is over or something.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, oh, no, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6:Does someone imply that Adam being that way and possibly even dying, was part of a bigger plot?
Speaker 4:Almost definitely. I was so excited for season two.
Speaker 3:Yeah, wait, I was so excited, it's gonna be so long? I'm still waiting here.
Speaker 6:I'm still waiting here. I'm still a little tell-of-a-boss, yeah.
Speaker 4:There's a new update for the release date. I haven't read the article yet, but there is a new update for the release date of season two, so I apologize, I had a lot going on, haven't shared it yet.
Speaker 1:All right, let's talk about episode seven real quick To where. Okay? After Charlie and Baggie get kicked out of heaven, baggie reveals to the rest of the group at the hotel that she was sponsored by Angel, and Alistair, taking advantage of Charlie's fragile mental state, convinced her to make a deal with him. And also the smile, because, you know, a smile can be a very powerful tool. It can inspire your friend, it can confuse your enemy and, no matter what situation you're in, it'll let people know that you're always in control. That was actually solid advice, honestly, but that was like whoa, you're not wrong.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 2:That's what.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you it's like it's not wrong.
Speaker 4:It felt like there was no repercussion from this advice, except the only thing I could think about is when I had mentioned that one quick theory is the fact that he has to smile because it's something that happened to him during his contract. That's the only thing I could think about other than that it's like the only time he said something that didn't cost anything. He just gave free advice, like I'm just.
Speaker 1:It was concerning I mean, a smile is the math that you always wear for free, something like that. But sometimes a smile can hide some very horrible secret. So in exchange for all no favor that she would do for him in a later date, my boy, I was like don't worry about the details right now, just know that you don't have to kill anybody, I'm not going to take your soul. So he tells her that there is a way to kill exterminators and that Carmilla Carmine knows how. So Charlie tells the bag, if you go to Carmilla to convince her to help, while Charlie and Alistair seek other centers to help them fight, charlie and Alistair go to Cannibal Town to meet Rosie, the overlord who runs the town. I know you're thinking, hold on. She decides to help and then the residents of the town decides as well to be convinced by musical number, while Carmilla and bag teaches baggy how to fight angels and tells her that she killed the exterminator using angelic weaponry of scavenged bypass exterminations. So baggy regains her wings. Carmilla agrees to help the hotel by supplying them with angelic weapons. Baggy and Charlie reconcile and enter the hotel, only to find that the staff is spreading themselves for the battle with the angels.
Speaker 1:The musical numbers were out of love and ready for this. But let's go ahead and get into the main thing. I know you want to talk about Excuse me, fucking Susan. I like that part where, ok, alistair and Rosie knew that there was this one heckler that's going to be the hardest to convince. But if Charlie can convince Susan to join the fight, then everybody will come easy. And then Susan will be like boom, get off the stage. And then Charlie will have Susan, susan.
Speaker 6:Surprised I didn't go with Karen.
Speaker 5:Who on the?
Speaker 3:nose, little bitch.
Speaker 1:And then Charlie was trying to speak, and then Susan was speaking all over, and then Charlie tried to break the song and then Susan was still not having it. And it's like fucking you, oh Charlie.
Speaker 3:You've got to show her.
Speaker 1:Not her Like let's go into inhibition, like cool down.
Speaker 3:Like yeah, nope, I think that's probably what got her Susan's you know approval was her standing up or not standing up to her? But like yeah, I've met old bats like that.
Speaker 6:Sometimes the only thing that makes their walls come down is to be a total asshole to them. And then, like you got my respect. Now, yep, yep. This is hell. Why are they so polite?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so anything you want to say on episode seven?
Speaker 3:So I sent this to you and Leah before. But that comment about the stitches that show when he makes the deal on his mouth, when he makes the deal with Charlie and when he was threatening Husker, yeah, that too. And it's like you know people are saying, oh, you know, the stitches are forcing the smile. It's like that's like the opposite that stitches do. And someone had comments saying that you know, alistair mentioned constraints in his deal and you know they think the smile represents is a power and the control Because that's, you know, that's his thing is. You know you're never fully dressed without a smile, sort of thing and that the stitches are limiting how big that smile can actually get.
Speaker 6:As a part of how much power he can use.
Speaker 3:Exactly so. I mean, if his smile is his power, if he can only smile so much, that's limiting his power there I mean his whole deal is he's the radio demon, and that's vocal, that's sound.
Speaker 6:If you can't open your mouth to talk, then you kind of have no use on a radio.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's like that's and like he definitely.
Speaker 6:I think he could have defeated Adam, but I think whoever owns him is limiting his power by a lot.
Speaker 3:And so he's like you know what just happened, fuck Like yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, mary Jane, you want to add something to it.
Speaker 5:So I think it's a good callback when so we Gaji did the trust episode right? Yeah, gaji's biggest thing she still didn't trust Charlie enough to tell her that she was an angel.
Speaker 6:Yeah, that was kind of the. You can't have a real relationship without trust people.
Speaker 5:It's right and I'm like it's kind of crazy. And then it's kind of flashback to the same thing where, like you know, she was singing that, singing the song alongside and who she has to go get. She has to go get Carmilla, and they were both singing that same song about protection and about what I felt like I have to do. And did Gaji feel like my therapist? She felt like that she had to protect Charlie from the fact of her knowing that she was an angel.
Speaker 3:You feel your podcast? Yeah, yeah, I feel like I'm going to be on the show.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be on the show, yeah, ok. Speaking of which, it sounds like we need to wrap this up.
Speaker 6:The rest of our household is becoming active, yeah.
Speaker 1:I feel that I got you, but all right, let me just go ahead and try to wrap this up real quick, and now I'm just going to let you all have everything and then we're just going to wrap up the whole thing. So the Fallen Alley, as it happens, of the hotel reinforce the hotel. Charlie shares with Baggy her worries that she has led everyone to their deaths, though Baggy convinced her to believe herself. These termination arrives in all our war between angels and sinners and sooths. Alistair and Adam fight with Adam, badly wounded Alistair, and force him to flee. Serpentius confesses love to cherry bomb before sex price ends up in a failed attempt to destroy Adam. Hold on, we'll get to that Destroy and enrage over Serpentius' death. Charlie enters her full demon form and confronts Adam while Baggy is forced to fight. Baggy crushes Lou under some rubble and spares her, but Lou tears her arm off to escape the rubble and continues attacking Baggy. And Lucifer arrives to help Charlie and easily overpowers Adam, who destroys the hotel before being killed by Nifty Hold on Hold, on Hold on OK.
Speaker 1:Lou and the other angels retreat. Charlie rebuilds the hotel to a greater state alongside her friends and father, the bees plot to take over the hell. Alistair hopes for freedom from a previous deal and control over hell. And before reuniting with Charlie, with her friends, serpentius manifests into heaven as an angel, proving that sinners can be redeemed. And Lou, now charge in charge of the exorcist, confronts Willis in heaven and tells her that if she wants to stay in heaven she has to stop Charlie. And then the musical numbers was more than anything at her prize of an finale. Alright, first of all let's talk about our boy Soprenches. How this man pretty much redeemed himself. That was his whole art throughout this whole season. And he redeemed himself a confess his love to, uh, ciri Bomb. And I also like how I forgot to mention how Angel Dust was a fucking bro when he told Ciri Bomb hey, I heard you got two dicks. No, angel.
Speaker 5:I was like hey, man put me in the car and see me Give me a hand. That'd be my weak man.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 5:He was the best we met hands down. I think I need an angel in my life, henry, henry.
Speaker 1:And speaking of, and speaking of, equity man, let's talk about MVP nifty, where I did not see that. I did not see that coming, but I'll let all yeah you know Charlie said this to have an angel, so I did.
Speaker 5:Literally they were like hey, I think there's something sticking through.
Speaker 3:They're like wait what?
Speaker 1:Hey yo, I am the only one that didn't know. Is that key blade that Lucifer was? We wouldn't write yeah, because everybody else was like freaking out, Like the loser has a key blade. What the fuck? You know what?
Speaker 5:it is. You know about the kingdom.
Speaker 1:And then I do kind of agree that I feel like the whole fight between Alistair and Adam. I'm like, come on, I'm pretty sure Alistair could have picked up an angelic weapon and tried to do something at him. But then again I feel like this was like a humbling moment to where Alistair has to realize that he's not completely unstoppable. So like, just imagine like if he's trying to be a foil to the hotel's plans, like you know, his deal was that he's kind of building them up so that way the hotel can feel in spectacular fashion. I mean, what would the papers think? Even said himself oh, but I just feel like the fight, that fight just didn't feel as satisfying as I hope. But the fight between Alistair and Adam, do you?
Speaker 1:know, Alistair.
Speaker 6:he felt very nerfed in that fight, especially compared to what we've already seen him do. Yes, With kind of further backs up the idea that there's someone literally preventing him from killing Adam.
Speaker 1:Right Now, lucifer versus Adam. I'm like, okay, this is better, because you know, it was like this aerial fight and they were like blasting each other and whatnot, and Lucifer was like beating the shit out of him too. You know, it was great. It was great. Oh yeah, the whole thing with Sir Pitches. That just goes back to the whole things where, okay, so if demons can work their way into Heaven by doing like goodies, like I feel like, by dying by a good cause, it was like two theories. There were two theories going on Either Sir Pitches died doing a good deed and that earned his way into Heaven, or because he wasn't killed by an angelic weapon, but rather Adam's like energy blast. It's like, okay, well, you weren't like oblivious from existence, so you just go to Heaven.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So my sort of theory on that was that you know the angelic weapons or the heavenly light that Adam used basically burns away the sinful side and you know, and so you know those that were killed by them went to Heaven. But then I was rewatching again. I rewatched a couple times already. I was rewatching and you know Emily and Sarah's faces when Sir Pitches shows up, emily's like thrilled, she's like this proves it works. And Sarah, her face is just like this is not supposed to happen. It shows that you know that's not a normal thing, that it doesn't always happen. So then I thought maybe that wasn't the case.
Speaker 3:But then I remember something that Thalia had told me years ago now about you know Hellfire burning away. You know the sinful part of your soul, but there's still like some left. But what if there's so little left in some of those that were killed that they never really showed up? So they weren't used to people watching showing up Because Sir Pitches has done some, has gotten so much better. His you know good part of the soul got bigger and was actually able to go and move back up to Heaven.
Speaker 1:You did good enough to speak by.
Speaker 6:Oh, come on, Sir Pitches wasn't that bad to begin with? Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1:I mean no, no, no, that's what I'm saying. It's like he wasn't that bad to begin with, but in the in the five months that he was trying to redeem himself, it was like oh well, you know, five months of redemption was good enough for five or six months.
Speaker 6:Yeah, do you guys think Adam's going to be reborn as a sinner?
Speaker 1:I think so too yeah that'd be funny.
Speaker 5:Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean like even though, yeah, he was like the leader of the exorcist.
Speaker 1:It's like he was at all the angels. He was acting like the most dastardly in a way, to where it's like he he'd seen more villainous for an angel. So I'm like, yeah, it'll just make sense for him to end up being in hell. And also I kind of want to see the interaction between Adam and Eve when, if he even shows up in season two. So yeah, I'll kind of with the Adam again.
Speaker 6:All right, just I have it in my head like absolute fun factor. The most fun thing I learned about the characters is Sir Pentus, Bizarrelli and Adam all have the same voice actor. Wow, it's like. So he killed himself and hell of a Yep, that's crazy. Yeah, like that man has wings.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, oh, you got anything to add on at all about the series before we close things up?
Speaker 3:I just hope they hurry up with season two.
Speaker 5:That's about it. I think, I think the consensus is please season two.
Speaker 1:Yep, you heard it, ladies, and gentlemen, we need that season two and, with that being said, it is rating time. I don't even have to really do no one surprise. Five out of five. No, five out of five.
Speaker 6:It sounds about right. Sounds about right. Definitely seven rings. Yes, yes.
Speaker 5:Wait? Quick question before we close. Is there, was there nine rings or was that a mistake in the opening?
Speaker 6:I think they met nine realms, not nine rings.
Speaker 3:Is there seven rings.
Speaker 6:Then there's the realm of earth and the realm of heaven. Nine realms, seven rings. Yeah.
Speaker 5:Okay, I was so confused about like, is it seven rings? But definitely give it a 10 out of 10. And that's rare for me. I'm harsh critic.
Speaker 1:I mean great characters, great musical numbers. The plot is interesting, yeah, like.
Speaker 6:All right. Do you think they will ever do a full blown crossover with the characters from hell of a boss? Yeah, because, like I like, so I and like with all our characters, this and this being with Osmo Diaz, and Osmo Diaz being one of the seven, it's like, oh, come on.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I think the question is a matter of if, but only when.
Speaker 3:The thing is, though, with with the has been being produced, and whatnot, by a 24 and Amazon, and hell of a only being on YouTube. I don't know if they I mean they'd have to get. I don't know how that would work.
Speaker 6:Wouldn't they just kindly like busy pops permission, which I think she would do.
Speaker 1:I honestly feel like what's going to happen is that has.
Speaker 1:I mean I have no to elbow bosses, I'm going to get the net quick treatment to where as soon as season two, the finale shows up that maybe it'll move on to our prime video to, and they'll just dump all the episodes at once so I can have some mainstream traction going on.
Speaker 1:Like that's just me, like I don't know if that's going to actually happen, but hey, while other things happen. When it comes to this podcast, where sometimes I'll just be talking about shit and then like say, for instance, I'll never forget when I was talking about stop pilgrim, right, like I would just say, hey, I love the movie so much that there should be like an animated series on like Netflix or some shit. It could be either a prequel, a sequel or just a retelling of the movie. We got all three of that at once with that fucking series on stop pilgrim takes off and I was like the funny thing is we did the review two months after the announced, no, two months before the announcement, and that was just a wild coincidence. I did not see this coming, but I was like crazy, or things happen, so who knows, we'll see, and y'all sure y'all got nothing else to add on to all this Y'all good.
Speaker 5:Good yeah, all right.
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Speaker 1:Stay nerdy Stay lovely, stay sinister and we are zoning out.
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