Ever found yourself inexplicably drawn to a pop culture phenomenon, despite its bewildering reception? That's where Mira Jane, Saitama Smash and JetBlackXtreme lands! We're engaging in a lively conversation about the Twilight film saga, dissecting its depiction of romance and character evolution. We don't shy away from the tough questions, like why Alice Cullen shines as a beacon of interest in a sea of perplexing narratives, and what this series really teaches about love and relationships. Plus, we've got notes from Kokugatsu to provide a no-holds-barred critique of the series' approach to vampire and werewolf lore, leaving us wondering where the line blurs between fiction and folklore.
This episode isn't just a critique; it's a reflection on the power of fandom and the impact of storytelling on our real-life expectations. Dive into the Fantasy Club President's insights and laugh along as we explore the saga's emotional complexities, from Jacob's unrequited love, to Edward's problematic behavior. We're not just talking about characters; we're talking about the way they make us feel and the imprint they leave on our concept of romance. It's a rollercoaster ride through the highs and lows of Twilight's cultural influence, with side trips into the challenges of bringing such a beloved story to life on the big screen.
Wrapping things up, we don't just stop at the relationships; we pull back the curtain on the industry itself, exploring the financial success of the saga and the letdown of its final battle. Our journey through the Twilight series is a blend of critique and nostalgia, a look at how soundtracks can amplify the film experience and how live-action adaptations either hit the mark or wildly miss it. Join us for an episode that's as multifaceted as the series itself, complete with a peek into J.B.'s future in 3D printing projects! So, whether you're Team Edward, Team Jacob, or Team Why-Am-I-Listening-To-A-Podcast-About-Twilight, there's something here for you.
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Ever found yourself inexplicably drawn to a pop culture phenomenon, despite its bewildering reception? That's where Mira Jane, Saitama Smash and JetBlackXtreme lands! We're engaging in a lively conversation about the Twilight film saga, dissecting its depiction of romance and character evolution. We don't shy away from the tough questions, like why Alice Cullen shines as a beacon of interest in a sea of perplexing narratives, and what this series really teaches about love and relationships. Plus, we've got notes from Kokugatsu to provide a no-holds-barred critique of the series' approach to vampire and werewolf lore, leaving us wondering where the line blurs between fiction and folklore.
This episode isn't just a critique; it's a reflection on the power of fandom and the impact of storytelling on our real-life expectations. Dive into the Fantasy Club President's insights and laugh along as we explore the saga's emotional complexities, from Jacob's unrequited love, to Edward's problematic behavior. We're not just talking about characters; we're talking about the way they make us feel and the imprint they leave on our concept of romance. It's a rollercoaster ride through the highs and lows of Twilight's cultural influence, with side trips into the challenges of bringing such a beloved story to life on the big screen.
Wrapping things up, we don't just stop at the relationships; we pull back the curtain on the industry itself, exploring the financial success of the saga and the letdown of its final battle. Our journey through the Twilight series is a blend of critique and nostalgia, a look at how soundtracks can amplify the film experience and how live-action adaptations either hit the mark or wildly miss it. Join us for an episode that's as multifaceted as the series itself, complete with a peek into J.B.'s future in 3D printing projects! So, whether you're Team Edward, Team Jacob, or Team Why-Am-I-Listening-To-A-Podcast-About-Twilight, there's something here for you.
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What's good, nerds? It's time for another review by the zone podcast. Today I'm being joined by site Thomas man with a review on the Twilight film series. Yeah, without further ado, let's go ahead and zone out on that. I'm gonna be honest, we decide, tom, I what.
Speaker 1:I don't understand the appeal that people have with this series. Like listen, I watched this multiple times. Like this was back when I only had DVDs as my media, before streaming services and whatnot, and I was like looking through these films I'm like, okay, I'm trying to see what makes me so popular and I'm like, really, this, this is it for people. I mean I'm not gonna judge too hard because you know, at best I want to say the Twilight saga is Jumps, food, romance. That's like the best way I could put it to where it's like it's not, it's not something you should model your relationship after, but here and there it is kind of entertaining. I mean I'm not gonna knock it too much, like in some areas I did like it in some areas, but most part of the the message that being portrayed I'm just like no, because I'm getting like a whole bunch of mixed signals and shit and I'm like, and there's people who probably Model their relationships after this shit and I'm like that's probably why things are the way they are now.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you something like out of when the second movie came out, the story became even more complicated than it was. You tell me the fucking. This girl was coming to nowhere, setting the school and just so happens to be filled with vampires, that they're their whole, their whole, shit, shit. So of their vampire family is already in itself a shit show. The only reason is so as to why I even Started watching this movie like back in, like fucking ever, was because as soon as I saw Alice, like Alice Cullen, yes, I mean I like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I love this woman. She's gorgeous. This is probably the only reason as to why I'm gonna watch this movie. But then the whole whole story, it starts. It starts getting getting weird and they start the deal. When they say weird shit, it's like oh, but a lot, you know, if you, if you get close to me, I might bite you, I'm very dangerous. And then Bella in the background with like wet noises yeah, no, that's pretty cool. Like what, what the fuck is, what the fuck is wrong with you? First off, second off, you already gave you a warning. Okay, this guy is dangerous. You got a little bit hit by a car and he held any. Held it back with one hand, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, hold on before we really get into. I gotta read some of those, because coca-cola had some Feelings about this whole film series but he did not even want to bother being on this and I don't blame him. But here's what he said. He's like it's a garbage romance series. The main character is the most hated female protagonist in existence debatable, but I don't blame you for saying that. Oh, edward Cullen hated playing Edward in the entire series himself. Vampires do not sparkle in the sunlight, they burn the fuck up. And the fucking writers said that they're owned out of her own damn mouth, that she never knew what vampires and werewolves were and just came up with that bullshit off the top of her head and you tell me that she doesn't even know about the lore of vampires and werewolves.
Speaker 1:And the entire fucking battle, which was only the good part, like it was all the last battle, no, you know, with the vulturi and the werewolves and on team rolling on it. Yeah, but the whole time it was like it just all fight. It was even real. It was just a what-if situation. I was like what, look, and some of those colon guns I kill, you know, like the mama and the dad, and oh, come to wolves. And I was like you know, like site, we're just good, we're not gonna kill up all the people.
Speaker 2:Which was okay because I was like I was expecting blend and that was fine. And then you get characters, life from the military. Yeah, like Jane, for example, that lady, that lady, like she made, if he made the whole Vulturi, whatever the fuck their name is she made them pull because they were menacing, they were very menacing. Sam Ali was another one. They was part of the military and like he made it also and just that.
Speaker 2:Well, his character, like the actor in and itself, every time he plays any actor, is very like, either dark or it requires a lot of personality. He gives it that personality. It's like a Jim Carrey when he plays like any, any role, like he is. No one could play certain characters except Jim Carrey and when it came to that character for this movie and he played it as Sam Ali's, he made it interesting. But the whole, the whole thing, the whole story, bella, for example Look, no, I'm not gonna Get on like the, the actress, the actress played as well as they gave her the role which, let's be honest, robert Pattinson has all. The has all the right to shit on it, because I'm be probably gonna shit on it. He probably has shit on it as much as I do no listen. Taylor Lautner also hated the role too. Listen to something listen.
Speaker 1:First of all, people need to understand that, because indie films don't get a whole lot traction and mainstream. Obviously they are in indie films and they actually are pretty good actors. Like you've seen indie films, okay, they're actually pretty good. Like when I saw here's the story and American ultra, I'm like, okay, marginally better acting in that one. But you know, american ultra, oh, I don't know, it's like one of those films where it was a thing back in that time. But oh, and Robert Pattinson, he's also been in indie films and he was doing pretty good too. So it's not like they're bad actors, it just that. I think it's more like the direction was the problem. Second of all, with Robert Pattinson, he said that his favorite book was new moon and the funny thing is it's funny Because in new moon that's when you have to lease amount of screen time.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, I don't have to be here that much Taking the mail. I'll be just fine, I'll be just fine. And you know what, like, like, like Robert Pattinson, like when he makes indie movies. Like, let's say, for example, a lot of people probably don't know this, but there was a movie that Willem Dafoe and Robert Pattinson was in and it didn't get that much of a good rating because it's only like a 7.4 On rating and I think I'm running tomato and then I'm getting an 8, but it's called the lighthouse. Oh, yeah, yeah, and it wasn't. It actually wasn't that bad. I saw it. Um, I think rotten tomato gave it a good 90%, well deserved. It came out in 2019.
Speaker 2:Very interesting, was a very different type of Movie that most people like are accustomed to, but I generally thought that it was a good movie. See, when it comes to the movies like that, or the last Batman, the fucking Robert Pattinson that he did a good job, but here in In, in Twilight and any of the movies, to be honest, he, you can put your whole dick in something and and you can try, and as long as you put your whole thing in it, you're, you're gonna, you're gonna do great, but you can tell this man he did not put a whole dick in it, you did, he did it, he didn't care. And then Chris's story. Chris's story. I Feel bad for Chris's story when it came to the whole movie, because One is that I'm almost certain she didn't want to do it and two, as she was doing it, she was just very dull In the whole thing.
Speaker 2:And then in the third movie, I believe I think that's when the baby comes. It's the one of the two, I don't remember. But when the whole baby thing situation started coming up, that's when I put a line in front of me and I said I'm not, that's it, I'm done. Did Taylor Lautner just say that he was gonna imprint himself on to a fucking baby? Did Taylor Lautner just fucking say that shit, I am done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, see, here's my thing. When it came to the whole where World Wars vampire thing, I was team were like this on principle, but when you have like this one moment with okay is she gave the fall forward vampire boy or the werewolf boy, obviously, with the way they set it up to where obviously she's gonna choose the vampire boy, but at least give the werewolf boy a chance to be like okay, I, I can't, I might raise her up a little bit, but nah, they made it seem like this dude was so down bad. It was like he was being solidly friends on like, obviously, like, especially when he had like the long hair and shit. But what pissed me off, like I shit you not the very next scene after you know, on the one where she, um, jacob and what's his face? All that cream puff, do what's the name? Yes, you know, with a blonde hair and I forgot name. I'm trying to think yeah you got fucking Rosalie.
Speaker 2:Rosalie, she was one fuck. Let me see.
Speaker 1:Let me see James.
Speaker 2:James was a he's like a vampire.
Speaker 1:He's blonde now he, it was one all Part of the new friends like that she made. Like shit, I'm trying to remember. Oh, mike, apparently that's the name. Like damn yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you remember the part where, where see, mike and Jacob went to the theater. They were both trying to hold her hand and she didn't have to work. Oh, jacob, try to start some shit with Mike. Oh, after Bella made it pretty obvious that, oh, she only wants it to be friends with you. I don't want to ruin things, you know I'm broken. And blah, blah, blah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then, oh, oh, after that, immediately after that, the next scene, he cut off all his hair. He, you can tell that he's jacked now. And he's like oh, oh, I'm not good enough for you, you need to get away from me, I'm just gonna hurt you. And she was like you can't break up with me. I'm like bitch, you weren't even dating each other in the first place. How can you even say that like, first of all, yours, we're not gonna pretend you didn't straight up friends on this dude, like Literally the previous scene. Second of all, like I said, y'all weren't even dating the first place. And third, why is it all seem like? Every time it's like, oh, he's got like a glow up and he's like dangerous now. And he's like, oh, I'm suddenly attracted to him now. Oh, you can't leave me.
Speaker 2:I'm like how dare you try to try to leave you and abandon this non-existent relationship? Wet noises.
Speaker 1:What's up mirror, jane, how you doing.
Speaker 2:What's popping?
Speaker 1:Glad that you could be on with us. Um, we didn't get too deep into Twilight. It's just that we were just kind of talking about how, even though, not gonna lie, it has some good moments where I can't fully hate the whole series, but there's just some shit that did not. I'm like chief key, I'm like that's that shit. I don't like.
Speaker 2:Look, not like all the weed in the world. I could. I could probably try to smoke all the weed in the world and it still wouldn't make me fucking love that that movie. It was just. It was just bad. It was. It was just yikes. You know, there was there was one moment because the Voltario whatever the fuck their name is like they, they really they. They made it interesting. They did. They made it quite interesting and enjoyable because I like how menacing they were. And then we started going into the city and the part is there and they're being watched. It's like, okay, now we're getting somewhere, make this interesting. Then they fucked it up.
Speaker 1:I was like oh yeah, how are you feeling by Twilight?
Speaker 3:Okay, first of all. Uh, Just the movies or the book.
Speaker 1:We're just doing just the um Movie me primarily the movies, but if you got some notes from the books, that'll be appreciated.
Speaker 2:I was told that the books was actually a lot better than the movies. Well, I mean shit. I.
Speaker 1:Was saying stuff for that new book with on Edwards perspective, I heard that was trash.
Speaker 3:That was trash, absolutely trash, but I was actually president of the fan club.
Speaker 2:We had a fan club. Excuse me, I need juice on that girl like what.
Speaker 1:So there was a fan club. Oh well, you know, never mind, never mind, I thought it was like on for some reason. I was assuming is like so, basically, at school they had a club specifically for Twilight fans. That's what I thought. No, um, because then you know, there's like online community. So okay, to be fair, that's fair, that's very game, but it was like wait a minute. So there people, Did like.
Speaker 3:So Let me just say the books were definitely made for teenage. I can't even. I Can't because, like as a girl, like as a young girl reading these books, I was just Obsessed with Twilight and we had a weird power and it changed I will say it definitely changed your perception on Men in general. Right like now, you know, are they gonna chase me? Because I see why Twilight created the idea that men are supposed to at that age, like men are supposed to chase you, because Bella is being chased by Sexy behind me. Just absolutely dropped dead gorgeous.
Speaker 1:Weedable I mean, that's how it played out in the beginning with Edward.
Speaker 1:Jacob, jacob was was kind of like, okay, well, yeah, he's got a working but Edward was like oh my, well, see, here's the funny thing, the way they first meet. Well, you know, in the biology class and you know, the fan hit her In the black. Her sentence on Karen over to Edward and he's like on cover is not like oh, it's like he's not. He's not supposed to be reposed by her, but that's what it looks like to, where it just seems like oh my god, she smells so good. I don't know how to add. I need to get the fuck up out of this class. Like amen, can you don't change up my schedule. Like I can't sign it. I'm afraid I'm gonna bite her. I.
Speaker 3:Is kind of creepy, but isn't that kind of like I'm arguing the fantasy here, like isn't that kind of the fantasy? Like you gotta realize, like this is all in Bella's head, like we're reading this from Bella's perspective or watching the movie even from Bella's perspective. We're not gonna argue. I'm wrong you know what, you know what Maybe, but I mean, in that particular scene I kind of remember Him looking, yeah, looking absolutely. But he should be. He's a vampire, he can't be around what?
Speaker 1:But no, he can sit around all those other children and be like, oh no, I'm cool, but with her is like, oh they just something about this shit. Don't make me acting up.
Speaker 3:And there goes my point of like her having that much power. Isn't that like a girl's fantasy? I have this, my presence. It's just this powerful that when he smelled me, this nigga don't even know what the fuck to do.
Speaker 2:This is a guy, get.
Speaker 3:Away from me. Don't know if you want me. Don't know if you want to eat me.
Speaker 2:The answer to that is yes, that's how I met my wife.
Speaker 1:No, it's like I'm looking. You can't see my face, but I'm I'm looking at you. I'm like I hope you can imagine the face I'm making when I hear this.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying. I'm just saying this is a 17 year old girl, this is it. This is like Absolutely everything that she says she doesn't want, but totally.
Speaker 2:I did it.
Speaker 1:But I'm like in my experience, when I see this shit I was in here, like you know what I'm not even surprised anymore, I'm just I.
Speaker 2:Just because who doesn't want a vampire and a werewolf Like running after that kuchi as a last kuchi on earth? This bitch had no, almost no fucking personality.
Speaker 1:Not even that. It's like don't, don't forget the other two boy. Well, most of the boys like in that Ring group where it just seemed like they were just being overly nice to Bella, even Mike Tron Shoot a shot with her, but not so much. But other than that is like most of the bomb boys were looking at her like, oh, new meat on the block, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:Holy, holy, hold up. What's you, what you mean? That she's human and she got. She got our kuchi and blood.
Speaker 3:Not not a bleeding kuchi.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, that was not a really thing was.
Speaker 1:No, listen, the real thing was is that None of them can read her. It was like with Edward, you know, like he can't read her mind and all that shit was like oh, there's just something fascinating about you I can read everybody else's mind but not yours, and you trying to find out that. Oh, she got like this psionic shield on this natural ability this whole fucking time. But At the same time, it's like you only imagine, because, honestly, bella, I don't think Bella really have a sense of self, because even a new moon, to where, okay, um, we had that dinner party and Shit went down with um, you cut yourself, and then Jasper went crazy Trying to attack you what not.
Speaker 1:And then next thing, you know, we're like okay, you know what? This is getting a little out of hand. I can't have my girlfriend being attacked by my family like this on, if there's gonna be a problem. So here's the deal I'm breaking up with you and we're gonna go far away. You're not coming with us and you're gonna have to be okay with that. Okay, okay, okay, okay. And then Muzz went past. She was just sitting in that room just feeling empty and I'm like, girl, don't you have friends? Don't you have hobbies? Don't you have anything outside of this relationship, Like come on dawg?
Speaker 2:Relief. She's the main character, but does the side character shit? She'll just stay in her room. She'll just sit there and just exist Like no, I don't have any fucking friends, and just sit there, oh so we don't mean shit to you.
Speaker 1:Okay, gotcha, okay, okay.
Speaker 3:I mean you're not in the brain.
Speaker 2:You don't have any fucking friends.
Speaker 3:After you twisted that vampire lifestyle like what can you do? Nothing else feels as good. I mean, your friends have good. Have you played?
Speaker 2:Baldur's Gate 3? That should feel great.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying, I'm just the fact that when she finally hung out with Jacob after all that talking and then she was like, oh well, I don't really like music anymore. Meanwhile first movie you saw Edward's music collection I was like, oh, I fucking love music, I listen to music all the fucking time, like, oh so it's different when you break up.
Speaker 3:Yeah it's absolutely different. He broke up with her, so now she hates everything Like.
Speaker 2:And I forget that she was only just 17 years old.
Speaker 3:She is, she's just 17. So it's like and you're not wrong, like I like how you mentioned that she didn't have a, how JB mentioned, like you didn't, she didn't have a sense of self. She absolutely didn't. But that's what made me. She absolutely had no sense of self. But that's kind of what even made the movies kind of good, because we're watching Bella develop a sense of self.
Speaker 1:But I mean Uh-uh, you know what I got something to say to that? Okay, okay, when she become a vampire, that's cool and all.
Speaker 1:Because you know she's all strong and she's like, apparently she's even stronger than fucking all. What's his name? Emmett, emmett Cole. Like you know, he's supposed to be like the strong guy, right? So, um, he's the. He's stronger than most of the vampires there. So I'm like, and, to be fair, she's a newborn, so obviously she's gonna be that newborn vampire threat. I get that.
Speaker 1:But the whole time I'm thinking with this arc she's like okay, I'm really attracted to this guy. He's keep telling me all his red flags that he killed people, he murdered, and blah, blah, blah. Oh, and no, no, no, I think that's a mask. Like you're trying to hide that you actually have a good heart and all that shit. It's like I don't believe that bad boy shit that you're talking about.
Speaker 1:And then, next thing, you know they have this whole art to where it's like, okay, I want to be a vampire, turn me into a vampire. You can't break up with me. I'm going to chase you to the ends of the earth or I'm going to commit suicide to make you come back and take me back as your girlfriend. And then he clips.
Speaker 1:She was like, okay, we got back together, but I don't want to get married, though I'm not. I'm not, but I still want the vampire power, but I just I'm not sure if I'm married, though, but I definitely don't want to be older than you. You know what I'm saying. And then she the main thing is, she's one of those shits where she kind of cares what other people think about her, but her whole plan is to pretty much ditch everybody once she becomes a vampire and gets married to Cohen. So why the fuck do you care that what other people think about you, if you're going to ditch them anyway? It's like this woman is so conflicting and she wants the best of both worlds, and I just don't understand.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, that's what I was telling you. The story was convoluted as fuck.
Speaker 3:Okay, I will say one thing the books definitely did way better job of than in the movies. In comparison, bella does want like she had. She was more close with her friends. She actually did spend more time with them than we seen in the movies and she the movies made her a meme, I can't even lie. She became like the lonely email chick and that was never truly how Bella. She was kind of a loner, but not as much as they made it seem like. She just had her own select group of friends and you're not wrong, she does at some point just decides I'm going to ditch them. And because there's no once you taste that vampire. I'm just saying, I'm just saying like what's listening?
Speaker 1:She? I'm sorry, but breaking dawn, okay, honeymoon, right. She was like please, please, give me that ice, cold meat, sickle chicken.
Speaker 2:Look, there are enough red flags on both sides, not only just from vampires and where will? There is enough red flags to make it look like a fucking car dealership. Okay, it was so. The story got to a point where it was convoluted and it made me question this how many red flags can I count until I'm drunk enough? Let's take a sip every single time I see a red flag and there's another one, I take another. That's it.
Speaker 1:Speaking of red flags, that part in New Moon when, okay, he, bella, catches up with Edward before he does the whole Romeo Juliet bullshit. And, by the way, coco guys have said, oh, don't you compare on Romeo Juliet to this bullshit, but check this out. She was okay, that dream that she had where she was an old woman and he woke up and she had a copy of Romeo Juliet right next to her bedside. And then we fast forward to act three. It literally plays out like Romeo Juliet and that part where, okay, bella stopped Edward from revealing himself and you know, and folks need some getting killed by the boat Tory, because all he wants to die, and blah, blah. And then turns out that, oh, you do care about me. I'm like, yeah, of course I still care about you. Girl, I lied, I had to lie and you believe me so easily. And I was like see, that's not it's he sized up that shit.
Speaker 1:I'm like whoa.
Speaker 2:See, that would that would have right right then and there. That would have made me fucking, left me crazy as bitch. You made me run this fast, catch your fucking weird ass. Okay, I told you from the get go that this is not a good idea and you were like this is a great idea, this is absolutely the best idea. Let me go ahead and do some weird shit, fucking. Yeah, let me just jump off this cliff and see how this is going to go. Oh, my boyfriend caught me. You do care you crazy ass bitch.
Speaker 3:It's exactly what a 17, 18 year old person thinks in their mind, like. The only way you can prove you care for me is if you perform some astronomical feat to save my life.
Speaker 2:Look, I don't know what 17 year old are you looking at, but when I was 17, I was still thinking about bionicles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying, like, I'm saying, these are the conversations you guys weren't having.
Speaker 2:These are the conversations that we didn't know we needed to have.
Speaker 1:No see, this is why there's some truth that just kept a secret, because, like if you knew the truth, it's like you will never see the world the same way again.
Speaker 2:This is one of those things 17, I was still fucking figuring out magic, the gathering.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like I was just watching TV and playing video games. I didn't know the world was like this.
Speaker 2:Okay at 17 years old, I was still figuring out Teen Titans. Oh, this is so, this is Starfire and who's, who's this guy again, why does he turn into animals, like, like damn. You know, one of the things that I only enjoyed and I'm gonna I'm just gonna say this one more time, the only the only reason why I only fairly enjoyed in certain parts of Twilight was the vampire cult thing with the red eyes.
Speaker 2:I thought that was really cool. I thought that the final fight was pretty cool. The final fight, that was pretty, that was decent, that was entertaining. It was, it wasn't great, but it was entertaining.
Speaker 1:Then, man, I'm trying to push through, I want to say that one big fight in Eclipse where it was the colonists, the werewolves and versus victorious army and it was like they were just running at each other. Jasper just punched that one dude's head off and then there was a little whole bunch of crazy shit like that combo with the werewolves and vampire on killing. Oh man, that was like some real choreography right there.
Speaker 2:I was like yeah what about when they played baseball? That was kind of funny Like that wasn't even baseball, that was like football baseball. Let me, let me jump fucking 20 feet in the air.
Speaker 1:I mean at least it's not like that one training session that they had the word. They would just slap each other around and like slamming each other to the ground. I'm like, are you all going like ball up a bitch and actually punch somebody.
Speaker 2:It's funny because they barely did. Oh my god, by that time I was still playing Skyrim.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, another thing that I did like about Twilight. Honestly, I would say that Charlie is my favorite character, one of my favorite characters in there. I just kind of wish he had that more protective dad energy in the right doses, because sometimes you just felt like that one time when Jacob told them that oh yeah, I kissed Bella against her cousin, whatnot, and then I would have been fucking heated as a father Like did you just sensibly assault my daughter?
Speaker 1:No, like it felt like he was trying to be the cool dad, but at the same time it almost felt like he was being a little bit of a doormat to where it's like. Oh, like he had to, like he didn't even want to ground Bella to reach where he's like okay, she had all that bullshit going on a new moon and he was like okay, you're grounded for the rest of your life. And he didn't even sound like he was even for real about that shit. But then you get to the next movie and you're like okay, you're no longer grounded, but I do want you to hang out with more friends. I'm like, bro, you're like letting her walk all over you, dude.
Speaker 2:And like I have you? Have you seen white people went in when it comes to lay grounding, grounding, grounding kids? Have you seen Latinos grounding people, like grounding their kids? Let me tell you something the last time that that I got grounded I think I'm still technically grounded. I'm 29 years old, so I think I'm still technically grounded the whoop, ass, the whoop. I didn't even have to say anything, I knew I was grounded because I got smacked so fucking hard on my up in my head. You know, real, you realize I'm bald right now. Right, I was from the last belt smack that I got. When it comes to, when it comes to like Gary or like people like that, they're like nah, it's okay, you're grounded, but you're you can. You know you can still do stuff. Just take a ring coat, bitch, get your ass in there. Give me a computer, give me your phone, give me, you know like, give me your bed. And you know like, give me the goddamn stairs. Like I'm fucking at it and at it You're getting a sleep sandwich for dinner.
Speaker 1:Say what A sleep sandwich for dinner.
Speaker 2:A sleep sandwich for dinner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like yeah you go, you go to bed without dinner.
Speaker 2:I'm like hey man, that's not fair. What do you want me to? Do you gonna sleep for the rest of the night. You gonna shut the fuck up for the rest of the night. If I hear one single pee from you, I'm coming in there with your.
Speaker 1:Let's say it was not that part. Well you just go in your room, you slam your door.
Speaker 3:You're going to say I went nah the last time I slammed the door. That door got stuck out the hand.
Speaker 2:Yo girl, the last time I I slapped, I remember this. The last time that I slammed the door in my house, my dad ended up ended up putting like this, this little hint on the door. It was almost impossible to slam after. So you, I would just like throw it and then it was just like close.
Speaker 3:Oh no, no, can't even Uh-uh.
Speaker 2:Then, then he ended up breaking the door because I locked it, but it was only because I was getting ready, like we were going to the movies, that I was getting ready Like the last time that happened, my sister came over and she was like so no more locked doors.
Speaker 3:I was like, really, Really, we gonna quote the Friday movie, that's what we gonna do. But I will say I think the movies did a terrible job with Charlie. I agree Charlie should have been more, because in the books he has more role and we get to see more of their, because their relationship is really awkward. We have to remember that Charlie wasn't like in Bella's life. Bella will live with him, See.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry for interrupting, but that was my main thing. I felt like with Charlie I think it's because, with the separation and whatnot, and it was the first time that Bella came back since the separation, I'm assuming that, oh, he's trying to be the cool dad, so it's like she doesn't run off again, just like the wife. But I'm like, I mean, she's cool with you, but at the same time it's like you're still in her walkover to a degree, to where it's like, oh well, let me just get the fuck out of here before I end up stuck here like mom. But your mom, I get what she was saying, but the way she worded it was weird. And then Charlie would just stand in there like damn. Is he right, though?
Speaker 2:Do you know what that reminds me of? I know that y'all have seen Family Guy. Do you remember that bit that they were making fun of Britney Spears, a health coach, and she was inside of this buffet at the health coach is like no, you can't, you can't eat that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no no, that that cake is. That cake is for more people. It's better if you, if you, can use the fucking. And then it reminds me of Charlie, because Charlie was like don't go with those vampires, don't, don't, don't go with those wolves. No, that's, that's bad, that's bad for your honey. No, don't, don't do like. I get what he was, I get he was trying to be a good parent. But you, when you're a single parent side, it's not, it's not easy, it really isn't, even when you're, when you're a parent of two.
Speaker 1:Like it's been three months since you got dumped and you barely ate. Don't you want to like? Come outside and hang out with your friends?
Speaker 2:Get your ass out there.
Speaker 1:Oh bro, the screaming, the fucking screaming at night. I was like man, I would have been so pissed. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I was like that's a fucking living shit out of her Girl. It is fucking four am in the morning and I got work tomorrow. I got to be up and fucking two minutes.
Speaker 1:He needs that sleep.
Speaker 2:He did. Yeah, he needs that sleep. He needs that sleep. All right, yeah, I, I felt bad. I felt bad for that character he was, it was, it was, whatever. But you know what? I got all the screen time that I needed with Alice. Like wow, hey hey, hey, leave my Alice alone, Okay that one.
Speaker 1:Now, I like Alice too, but you know what's a damn shame. I felt like we should have more Rosalie. Well, ever since, on her backstory, you know when, oh, that was that sleazy guy like showing her off to his friends and all that shit and trying to like a razz or whatnot. And then, next to you know, she became a vampire and got revenge on the dude and all that shit, killing them all. And I was like bro, like that was kind of bad, as like oh see, rose was like a boss bitch the energy right there. I was like she was like oh yeah, I was more theatrical back then. I was like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I did not like Rose Lee. She got my dirty, she was jealous.
Speaker 1:I know. No, I know that was the main thing. It was. That was the main thing. It was like she came off really annoying for no reason, almost like she just hated Bella just on site, just because, like I don't really like you bitch. But then she kind of grows on you later on towards like okay, there's a reason why she's a little standoff towards Bella. And then next thing, you know, she's taking care of the baby back. Well, back when all Renesmee was like an infant and infant size and then she was like doing a good job, like all taking care of her wall in that stage. So I'm like, okay, well, she was kind of a bitch in the first half, but in the second half I'm like all right, well, she's not all that bad.
Speaker 2:Well, they ended up having that type of relationship. You know those those high school relationship friends where it's like oh, first I hated you for no reason whatsoever, but then I started liking you for no reason whatsoever.
Speaker 3:Well, my thing is, she was jealous because Edward never found her attractive, but she felt like, because everyone else finds her beautiful or attractive, then she's like well, now she's jealous of fucking Bella.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on, hold on. So she's dating her adoptive brother, emmett, but she's mad that she can't date her adoptive brother Edward.
Speaker 2:Exactly Didn't we talk about this and gave my throne? It was like a day job moment. I feel like I'm like relapsing or something.
Speaker 1:I mean we. To be fair, it was like we just reviewed Game of Thrones and it feels like an overlap of coincidence.
Speaker 3:But yeah, you know, Rosalie, definitely she grew on me later, but I just feel you know what I prefer overall is like yeah, I prefer Alice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, my girl, that is my girl right there.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I feel like the same energy towards Emmett's where I'm like I felt like there should have been, he should have had like more involvement, because he was kind of funny in the ending. But it was like you don't really feel much for him because it seemed like he barely had long as he would just stand around and you know, like right on top of the Jeep on while he was standing, while everybody was just on the same night. That was kind of cool, but other than that he was just kind of there.
Speaker 2:You know me with Alice is like you guys know Dua Lipa, obviously Every time I would see Alice is like literally anytime that I even hear Dua Lipa or see a picture Dua Lipa or even know about, remember that Dua Lipa even exists.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Okay, cool, um Team Jacob or team Edward.
Speaker 1:Honestly I would have said team nope. Because, bro, like it's, either you get with the vampire boyfriend that's been lying gas lighting you um, practically threatening to kill you at any moment, or you get the down bad werewolf boy and tried to fuck your daughter. That's a hard cell oh.
Speaker 2:Look, if you were to ask what team I would, I would join. It's the 49ers with. Fucking go Super Bowl, oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Super Bowl Sunday. Upon recording.
Speaker 2:If you want my jet, like my honest opinion on who's cheap I'd team I would choose. If I, if you would give me these two options and then a third one, which is a plate of a hot mess of Literally everything that thinks about any food ever. How big is that plate? Mm-hmm, that's the question. How big is that? How big is that plate I want to?
Speaker 1:know how big is that plate?
Speaker 2:I want to see if it's whether or not, if I can eat all that. If not, I'll choose team Edward.
Speaker 3:Don't die on me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that was that was that was hard to.
Speaker 1:It was hard to hard to mention I would go with you, edward. Yeah, see, that's the funny thing is like in the beginning, when I knew nothing about twilight, I would have been team Jacob, just because I'm just like werewolf more than vampires on principle. But the way Jacob was being depicted I'm just like I know you're a good kid, oh Jacob. Oh god damn girl, awkward when it comes to do it.
Speaker 2:You're fucking takes therapy. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1:Proper member society, area I think the part where, okay, it was in eclipse and they were getting ready for the fight against Victoria and her Vampires and essentially they spend the night in this on 10 and Jacob had to call up to Bell and what not, got keeper warm. He's like you, um, you gotta admit I am harder than you and I'm like, okay, that was kind of cute, but that's also a petty, because you know that when was obviously on like have more heat, body heat than on vampires, because you know vampires are ice cold.
Speaker 1:But, you know the in the implication that he was going for, and I was like Technically you're not wrong, but that's petty. And then he was culling up with her. And then Edward was like can you control your thoughts? And then, if that was me, I would give him the biggest rent ever and just started thinking of the nasty shit. Oh, I'm not doing anything though. I know what you're thinking, but I'm not doing anything though.
Speaker 2:It would have been funny if he would have comes out of nowhere and he would have been like bro, come on, that's your pee.
Speaker 1:And then Bella fucking pissed me off even more to where, um, basically, jacob found out that Bella and Edward was getting married and then he was like you know what, fine, I'm just gonna go out there and get myself killed by these vampires. And Bella like, no, don't do that, I need you in my life. And I was like for what? And I was like, oh well, you know, I just need that one guy, that um, that I can fool around with, and then the other guy for my emotional needs, you know, and and I have a backup plan, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then he was like not our past. I was like wait, jacob, wait, what wait? You can kiss me right now. I'm like, I'm like whoa, oh, how do you fold that quick? I'm like.
Speaker 2:Look, this could have been easily settled with a rock-paper-scissors competition. I Said it, I said it. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1:Edward was back there and he read their thoughts and what now is, like you have fun over there, like Was it good for you? Well, he was just underreacting all that. In fact, I think the funny thing is I'm gonna say this I Think Edward and Jacob would have been a better couple Because the way it seems like the sparks from those dudes to where it just seemed like they're always at each other's neck and shit, they have more chemistry Going up against each other. Then did they have with fucking Bella. So I'm like thinking that's the real shit right there.
Speaker 3:Wow, well, let's not not get fanfiction started, Um I.
Speaker 1:Mean it's already too late. Have you ever?
Speaker 2:Started one second. Give me, give me one second on that and on this episode. What we're gonna be talking about is fanfiction that we find on Reddit. Let's see what we can find, oh.
Speaker 3:Wait a minute, oh no, not reddit fanfiction, at least archive of our own.
Speaker 2:Let's see what we can find. So apparently here on a reddit post, we can find out if it's the weather or not, if Jacob and and then Edward would make a good couple. Apparently not, but apparently Jasper and Jacob would make a good couple gossip.
Speaker 3:No, that's that's. Have to read that later, can you know?
Speaker 2:stop no, stop Get out of here, get out. All right, everybody with the shows over. I'm clearing this out. I'm cleaning the table, that's it.
Speaker 1:I'm not seriously, though, on that part where Edward and Jacob was fighting in New Moon near the end of the film and then bellows like you can't Hurt each other by hurting me, and then Jacob can clearly tell that Bella chose Edward over Jacob. And then he was like okay, well, you know, I'm doing get the fuck out of here. And then I was sitting there looking like smoking from on Friday. I'm like he gonna cry in the car.
Speaker 2:It would have just been better. It's like oh, you can't hurt him without hurting me. Fucking she gets, she catches all the hands. It's like bitch, you don't want to fucking cause this shit, fuck it, smack all this shit, fuck out of here. Oh. Jacob, I was like I Mean, I guess, but Nope, guys, I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave it up to here. I hear a baby crying.
Speaker 1:I Got you. All right man, you take it easy.
Speaker 2:All right, guys, I'll catch y'all later. And for the fans that I don't have, everybody stay shiny for me, just like my forehead. Catch y'all later.
Speaker 1:Easy, all right. What else do I want to talk about with this franchise? Oh yeah, let's talk about those in me, vampires like James, victoria and LeRon. First of all, with LeRon I like how the dude who played LeRon was also on Darwin from X-Men first class, but just like with first class, he, this character, just don't last very long in this grand scheme of things.
Speaker 3:No, he absolutely doesn't. Um. Before, before we get into that, I did want to say I think you brought a Jacob being petty right. The ultimate petty was him in. Printing on it would start let's be honest, let's, let's, let's like it wasn't fucked up Absolutely, but isn't it or is it not the ultimate petty I get?
Speaker 2:to be.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on. I would say that would be the ultimate petty if that was intentional. But I was like it was accidental, but he can kind of because. But the way I was looking at, because the way it was like, okay, rose, we was holding the baby and and Jacob will just slowly approaching one night, look, took the one, look at the baby, saw the visions and whatnot, and he was like Maybe you're the one, and it's like eating, expected to happen. Oh, you know what, that's funny.
Speaker 1:A little fast-forwarding to Breaking Dawn, part two, to where it's been essentially. Yeah, bella is finding out that Jacob imprinted on her daughter and Rosalie was like, do tell her Jacob? And was like tell me what. And she was like uh, well, you know, bella, you got under dad's wolf thing. It was like what's the wolf thing? I was like. And then, next thing, you know, um, she was like you know what? They the baby out, they the baby out. I was like, oh, and then it was like, um, bella, please don't At work, get your hand off me, because I don't want to hurt you too. I was like and then I will look that Jacob like, yeah, you fuck.
Speaker 1:And then next, you know, bella, grab the dude by his neck and if you look real closely you can see Edward smiling his fucking ass. So I was like, yeah, I'm on my own ticket, you're a plate.
Speaker 3:You know, I ain't fucking lying like Edward was, finally like motherfucker. At least it ain't gotta be me.
Speaker 1:He was having. See. That's why I liked about breaking dawn part two. They, they went to the last minute to finally have fun with this whole franchise where they were like having fun Joking around like the. The comedy beats were way better in breaking dawn part two. I was like where was this in the rest of the film series? I was like it was as we, Kind of charming. At the end I was like okay, but yeah, it was like um Edward like cracking his joke. He was like um Jacob was saying, oh, what do you think? Oh, Edward will keep me alive. Um, blah, blah, blah. And then Edward was like Still the baby.
Speaker 1:Nah yeah, I was like you know what? I don't even have to work your ass. I was just like, yeah, my wife.
Speaker 3:And then like.
Speaker 1:so there is like some arguments, though, because Jacob knew that Bella was pregnant already, cuz he gets smelly, oh, yeah, that part where I went after the marriage, after the wedding, and then Jacob just became the surprise guest and Well, congratulations. You know I didn't kind of want to go to the wedding. You know he was like running in the rain when he got the on wedding invitation and then he showed up anyways at the last minute, you know at the reception, and then he was Getting all mad all of a sudden talking about wait a minute.
Speaker 1:You play on having sex with him. I'm like you do know that sex makes babies right. I'm like no, no, no, you are not allowed. That's what I was saying with Jacob. I'm like.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just saying like with Jacob at some point. Man, you just lost me, like it was, like he Just didn't know how to take a nail.
Speaker 3:Okay, in defense of Jacob, bella didn't know how to really let him go, like at some point it's like he's trying to leave her alone and then she's just like, but I need you, but now, but whenever it comes back I need him, but I don't need you anymore, but I still want to be best friends. Like it's that whole trope of like we pull it, dragging that friendship along. Right, you know he has a crush on you, you know he wants to be with you, but you're like, oh Well, we could still be friends. And I hate that trope and I hate like how they kind of made Jacob into kind of like the Into the Friendzone dude.
Speaker 3:I hated that Absolutely because Jacob's more than that and and I honestly think it was I think it was the author being petty by allowing Jake, because in a way, we still Get the Bella Jacob Roman like I know that sounds really weird because it's with Renes me, but it's like we still Are gonna kind of get it, even if, even though we didn't get a sequel to this. And then Jacob, jacob was honestly my favorite character in the whole series Because he's the only one who's dealing with the ups and downs of his emotions and feelings Anyone else is just like I'm a fly here and I'm gonna do this and, but I'm gonna go be a vampire, so that way I never have to quote, unquote, feel again, technically right. So I think Jacob would be the most, oddly enough, human character Out of the movie, in my opinion, you know.
Speaker 1:You know it's sad to say, because I know you probably didn't jump on the episode when I was telling that to Saitama or I probably Didn't mention at all. But what hurts me about Jacob is that, minus the baby part, I Was once the Jacob in that situation, in a similar situation to where it seemed like it was a girl at light, but she was more into another dude, but she was also giving me like these mixed signals, talking about oh Well, it would make sense for us to be in a relationship. Oh, but I'm just not ready to be in a relationship. Do you mind waiting for me? And keep in mind that was the first time I ever got rejected indirectly, like usually.
Speaker 1:When I get rejected, girls are straight up with me. Talk, ma, I'm just not into you. I don't think you're my type and I'm like fair enough, at least you're not, at least you're being straightforward, or just like you just don't really see me being more than friend on. Okay, cool, that's fair, that is fair. I'm not gonna be broken up about that. But when it seems like you give me this whole thing to where we could be something, but just not now. But turns out you never want us to be more than just friends. But you just need like some sort of excuse to keep me around or some shit and I'm like what are we doing here?
Speaker 1:That's why it kind of hurts me when all I Revisited the Twilight series and see Jacob's whole art to where it just seems like he's honestly a good dude.
Speaker 1:But If only it just seemed like if he it would, it would barely would have been a movie if he had just moved on to another girl. But then again I can understand to where it's like this Bella was Jacob childhood friend. So it kind of makes sense to have an attachment to someone that you have like these memories with, like a girl, to where it's like you actually vibe with, and the longer you've been on we vibe with them. It just kind of seem like hard to let them go. So we kind of get where he's coming from. But at the same time it's like growing up. I'm like, yeah, if things were different, I probably would have at least tried to have been Handled it a lot better than what I did. Because, let me honest, when that happened to me I can't say I handle it like an expert either, but I had to learn the hard way that sometimes you just got to take the L and either stay friends or move on.
Speaker 3:And you know, we like kind of have to keep in mind that these are just graduated high school students, so they have zero idea how to deal with their emotions or feelings like, other than and I think that's why we, I think that's in why she also ends up with angry because, you think about it, he's technically the more mature one, quote unquote right, and With her being with him being the more mature one, he's taking the more laid-back approach, he's taking the you know what wait a minute, low key. He kind of manipulated this situation with Bella. Oh, wait, wait, maybe I'm more team Jacob than I thought. Wait, he is older. He understand, like if you tell someone I'm out, I'm bouncing because we can't be together, and then you know what that does to it. He knows what that would do to a teenager. He knows how long has he been playing a teenager at this point a 109 years.
Speaker 3:Exactly so. I'm pretty sure he's Experienced it, or at least seen it a few times, to where, like he's like nah, you know, I'm just not gonna mess with this person and I understand like there's just a immediate attraction. No weird thing that's going on between.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but it's very hard to believe that the hundred and nine year old Supermodel looking at dude Never got pussy before Bella.
Speaker 3:Okay, wait, wait. So in the books there's a hinted at relationship with an older woman vampire.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, there's a hinted at relationship.
Speaker 3:So Edward has Edward. Obviously it's just kind of like in the movies they kind of tried to make it seem like it was his first time too, to kind of like even the playing field, I guess, or whatever, to make you know that whole virginity thing like In that moment, oh what, each other, all that weird shit. But so in the books, edward is more experienced, which is why in the books, when you're reading that scene, he is taking completely complete charge and she's like, she's like you're gonna have to basically show me how to do this, because I don't know what I'm doing. And she is also getting advice from like the other color women, like before this happens. They're like, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna have a girl meeting. Okay, we're gonna, you're gonna have to wear this, giving her outfits and stuff at the wedding. So but that's why I'm like maybe Edward knew more what he was doing than he actually went on and maybe that's what we didn't get was like, oh darn it, team Jacob all the way. Now like Team Jacob all the way the.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the kind of things where it's like With Jacob his main problem was that he was trying to please Bella to a point where he didn't fully understand the romance playbook. However, edward understood the romance playbook and yet he played it off like, oh well, I'm just gonna be this bad boy with a heart of gold to wear. Yeah, I know how to be mostly manipulate women, but, uh, I Don't use that often it like, especially not women. That doesn't really intrigue me. You know, I don't want to hook up with some common bitch. I need a girl that really fascinated me. I need a challenge. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Uh, so that's the whole thing with Bella, to where the fact that he can't read her mind is the fact that, um, bella presented more of a challenge to Edward. It was like she was built different, so that's why he was like kind of drawn to her, whether it's from the blood or to the Mental shield ability or whatnot. But other than that, I'm like I'm not saying Kristen Stewart is, but oh, bella as a character is a mid. I'm sorry, I said it, she's a mid.
Speaker 3:How dare you?
Speaker 1:See, like I said before, she had like zero personality outside of these relationships. So it's like who I Can't even describe what she's like Outside of. Oh well, you know, she's just kind of finding herself, I guess, like he's like a blank canvas that all Edward and Jacob and everybody else have to paint all over.
Speaker 3:Oh, you know, this would be a good, this would be a good like Psychology, run through Honestly, and it's actually a really good example of like a male and female relationship and how like. It may be better for you to Figure yourself out first.
Speaker 1:Well just well, it's funny that you're saying that, because I already talked to our resident therapist about it and she's cool with it.
Speaker 3:What? Because, like you think about it and it's like did, bella was basically manipulated throughout this whole issue. Like she's she's new to the area. She has to make new friends. Like these are her old friends, yes, like she used to know them, but like she left, she moved from freaking Arizona back to Washington State. So Now she's got her start all over again and Insert hot male model.
Speaker 1:I like how with on these two guys, edward Jacob, now keep a mind like they're not completely bad guys, but there is definitely red flags with them.
Speaker 1:But one thing is the whole controlling part toward. It seems like they're always trying to bella what to do, how to feel and blah, and it was like Bella, come here. I was like no, you coming with me today, no, come here, you know. It's like okay, it's like it's like saying like I'm not gonna be, like, I'm not gonna be like, I'm not gonna be like I'm not gonna be like, I'm not gonna be like. She's conflicted between pretty face and abs.
Speaker 3:You know it's crazy reviewing this like as an adult oh my dang, some of this stuff was so man.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's what I kind of like about doing the podcast, where with my child brain I wouldn't think anything of all this, like with all the previous reviews and all that shit, but with my adult brain I'm like wait a minute.
Speaker 3:I'm looking at Edward real stop and I'm low-key. And it's weird too, cuz the color family kind of was looking at them sideways too, when you think about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah they was kind of like are you sure you Want to do this, like, and then you know what? I ain't gonna even freaking lie. The ability to stay young forever in this movie is I feel like that was the trope. I feel like that was a trope that they didn't really, that we don't really touch on much because she's that she turns 18 and she, like I'll just say 18 forever, which means you get to live in your technical prime for the rest of the decades.
Speaker 1:And then keep them on. Like I was saying earlier that she was conflicted about getting married, like she just wanted to like have sex and be in a relationship with that, where she didn't talk. Oh, she didn't think marriage was on the table. But oh, oh, hold on. I like how, in new moon, I believe, it was like they were hooking up and Edward like stop. And then he had to like force, push himself away from her. And then she was like, um, it's okay, I want you to. And I was like no, no, no, I'm saving this dick for marriage. And I was like, oh, you're a celibate. I'm like, okay, well, I guess I'll. I'm open to marriage as long as I you know, as long we get to have the sex afterwards. You know what I mean. I like fine, you know. Like, are you gonna turn me to a vampire too? I was like, hey, I didn't say that.
Speaker 3:Right, like she never said that. But then like, okay, well, I guess. So like hey, dang, maybe, maybe Edward was, hey, was this a pole power trip this whole the time? Um, it.
Speaker 1:It gets crazy. But uh, oh, yeah, I was gonna mention about those, uh, other vampires. Uh, I was talking about the run, but, uh, james and Victoria. Now I like how, if James just left Bella alone, that would have been in the whole uh franchise because, like, okay, he just like with Edward. It was just something about Bella and I was like I just got, uh, know what that blood tastes like. And then James had to like, I don't know, I don't know exactly how this happened, but I think she got lured into that dance studio and I forgot what it was exactly. But uh, essentially, um, james was luring Bella into a trap to where, um, he would eat her and whatnot, and Edward comes in, fight him off and then, next to you know, um, the rest of the colon family shows up and help Bella and everything.
Speaker 1:And I don't like the fact that Victoria made it sound like, oh well, you're the one who killed my boyfriend, so I'm gonna come after your girlfriend, kill her. But technically, the colon family killed your boyfriend. Uh, edward only fought him, he didn't kill him, but even Edward was playing along. It's like, oh and I like to speak state he did, whereas, like, you're never gonna get another chance like this again. You want her, you want me to feel the same feeling that, um, when I killed your boyfriend James, when I Turned him to ashes, when I written the stress, when I turned it into nothing, and then Victoria just got so heated she started attacking and she I like that part not going on and uh, she even manipulated this other dude, uh, riley, into being like her second hand and pretty much, uh, basically, it was kind of like how can I put this? It's like I, those e-girls online and you have that tier three sub that think, oh well, if I do everything she want me to do, we're gonna finally have that special relationship. I was like no, you're not. No, you're not. She's still hung up on her ex, her dead ex. It's not gonna happen, buddy.
Speaker 1:And I'm like, hey, yo, oh, the romance dynamics. I mean, I understand it was aim works for a teenage demographic, but this is why I would say that, as I know you weren't here for this part, but this is why I say that twilight is junk food romance to where I would say watch it if you want to. Just don't model your, your relationship after this shit, because it's not completely healthy. But then again, I understand the psychological effect, where it's like the attraction is kind of there because, let's be honest with you, sometimes a little toxicities is exciting, like that's how they were saying, like how, oh, good girls always going after bad boys, but the reverse happens to.
Speaker 1:It's where I'm gonna be honest with you, mirror jane there's just some women where I'm like I know they're kind of crazy, but I'm like I am kind of willing to risk it all, though I'm like I'm kind of willing, but I'm like I still need to fill you out. You know what I mean. Like sometimes, like maybe the crazy makes it a little bit more exciting to where it's like, okay, well, at least the um relationship definitely not gonna get boring, and you know how it is where it's like the crazy, the shit, the crazy, the sex. And that's why I see why Johnny Def got into the situation he did with um Amber. Her is like she's shitting on his bed and I'm like, hey, she's that crazy. Then I can only imagine that the sex was wild as well, like a fucking having an acrobat in the bedroom.
Speaker 3:My god, not an acrobat not no, no, not tied to the ceiling fan.
Speaker 1:Um Lazy.
Speaker 3:No, you know, I'm on sutra on me. There's definitely. I mean, maybe that's why Bella was attracted to Edward, because she knew there was some crazy there, because I mean I would. I will say you're not wrong that, uh. So first of all, victorian james, let me, let me start there. Victoria. James did not love victoria. Victoria was just stupid.
Speaker 1:I mean, you see how the parallels between Her and james and bella and edward, I'm like, I'm sorry, but yeah, yeah, you're not wrong, because the only reason james loved her was because of her unique ability.
Speaker 3:That was Not to say that. And then same thing, basically. James is basically calling out edward in a way, right Like bruh, come on, we all know why she different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm a hey, you know. To be fair, though, is like I get the attraction with victoria, though Like in fact I would have said I want to go on as far as like I'm really not trying to shit, I'm kissing to her. I don't think she's unattractive, but I just feel like if she swapped it out between her and anna, kindred as Bella, then I would have definitely understood the attraction a little bit better, because I'm like it makes sense, okay, because, okay, you know real life.
Speaker 3:They ended up dating.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So is it? Is it the crazy, like you said? Is it the fact that Chris's door had had something real special? That was real crazy, because not only did she date him, she ended up, she broke up with him. She did on him with the director.
Speaker 1:No fucking way.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Well you gotta know there's something, because she's not like. You're not wrong, she's average. Let me say it like that. She's just an average looking girl. She's not ugly, but she's not like stellarly pretty. There's nothing unique about her facial features.
Speaker 1:She had more curves to her and I'm like, okay, I see it now, she averaging the body, she averaging the face, she just average ass.
Speaker 3:Like, even with makeup, she's still average. That's awesome.
Speaker 1:I would hold her hand in public. That's the best I can do.
Speaker 3:I can do, I'll hold your hand. That's the best I could do, but I mean there's gotta be something crazy, because you think about it and it's like y'all really was, like y'all was out here dating and Robert Pattinson literally almost like lost his shit when they broke up.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like something. Something was a little crazy. Something had to be special about christian steward hey.
Speaker 1:Do you think he had that same moment to where he was just in his room for months at a time just staring at that through window like missing his girlfriend?
Speaker 3:Definitely preparing for his role in Batman. Definitely.
Speaker 1:Oh, can I talk about my other favorite scene to, where Bella finally pieced together that Edward's a vampire and he was like saying Out loud.
Speaker 3:That scene is iconic.
Speaker 1:Bruh, that was his Batman scene. Right there is, like you, oh man, like, okay, shout out to cinema therapy on this one, to where, essentially, um the therapist on there? Oh, mr Jonathan Decker, thank god for you, he was saying that essentially, uh, edward courts Bella. The same way Batman terrifies criminals.
Speaker 3:Thanks.
Speaker 1:And I was like bro, and he became Batman too. It makes sense.
Speaker 3:And then he did stalk the crap out of Bella, like he used to watch her while she was sleeping.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, while she's all away from home, I'm gonna sneak into her room and um rifle through her stomach.
Speaker 3:Oh bro, holy snap. That I will say the first time I saw that scene. Okay, so I watched the movies in theater.
Speaker 1:Oh, poor baby.
Speaker 3:Oh, oh, oh. Listen, at that time I was excited. I was like, oh my god. After that, though, I will say, oh, I think I got really upset at breaking dawn and I did not go back. I was like, no, I'm done with this series. The movies were just so much better. I'm not the movies, but the books were just so much better, because you're picturing everything in your mind. But yeah, no, that scene in theater, I want you to know. All the girls collectively were like Just ooh the aw, the the possibility of those chairs may be needing to be cleaned out, but it was definitely.
Speaker 3:It definitely awoke something in all of us at that moment, and it's like what's the mouth of my sex in here? Absolutely, absolutely. I'm pretty Because dad asked, the only thing we talked about after the end of that was just like Say it, and we were just going around saying it to each other Like absolutely awoken, something that did not need to be awoken in teenage. But man, that was uh, I can't. I'll say my favorite scene was no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but it is more like just imagine, uh, you were your man. He decided to give you one of those hook from behind and you're just like I know what you want.
Speaker 3:I was like saying no, no, don't be like that. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, hold this person. We do not. That pop stays, sir. No, you don't see. The real mirror Jane show up for real. Let's not Demon mirror Jane in the demon closet. That's where she stays. Because I, maybe, maybe that's what happened, maybe that's what awoken in me in the first place, maybe I mean, can you imagine even doing that? Can you imagine going? Oh my god, that'll be, you know what. At that point it kind of goes back to what you said girls like a little bit of crazy too. You got to be able to match my crazy.
Speaker 1:It's that emotional, you know. It's like the emotional gaze, like the emotional roller coaster tour is almost like you just got to hit the right button, you got flip the right switch. It's just like and ebb and flow up to you know.
Speaker 3:I gotta know that you can flip that switch anytime. I gotta know it can't be a one time a thing Right now. You gotta be able to flip that switch and he pre-flip that switch now I'm gonna be honest with you, mirror Jane.
Speaker 1:This is why I think that's why Doos we have more experience with women is going to win every time because, like when you have experience and you know what you're doing, they like the confidence more with a dude who knows what they're doing versus a dude who has good intentions but no experience. We were like I don't trust that you know what you're doing, so I'm like that you're going to disappoint me at some point. Who knows what to say and what to do and all that. I'm like that's hard to say no.
Speaker 3:I Like both. I like experience, experience. But that's my first love thing, I think Sometimes the no experience. I think you can train the no experience and I think you can trigger. You can find their triggers and the next thing you know they're triggering you and it's great. Yeah that's what I think, but what do I know?
Speaker 1:But be careful, though. It really depends on the guy, because it's like, if he's like Okay, how can I put this? If he's close to your age, fine, but if he's like Questionably younger, there's a word for that, you know.
Speaker 3:Hey, I think the same thing applies.
Speaker 1:Oh, what you think about with edward and bella.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm like more team. Jake them now. I'm way more team jake. Because, like was that, he flipped the switch.
Speaker 1:I'm just, oh, man, because you gotta think about it, because, like I said, bella was such a blank canvas we have no idea what her love life was like before edward. So it was like as soon as he met that one dude that she wanted to risk it all for it was over with.
Speaker 3:Exactly. And that happens, though, like oh man, this is so Low-key, traumatizing. In a way. We just think about it like that's how, at that age, naivety rules. You don't know shit, but you think you know everything and you're like I'll risk it all for this guy because he seems like he's willing to risk it all for me. But we're gonna test that theory. Jump off a cliff and see if you go hunk itch.
Speaker 1:Oh, Um, can I say that there was just one bad ass moment that jacob had was when the wolves um were getting together, and that was the only time you get to hear the wolves like speak in wolf form and it's you know. They had to like Give you some sort of personification of what was going on in that meeting and essentially, um, jaco finally stood up to sam and he was like I am the grandson of the chief, I was not born to follow you or anyone else. And then it was like that music was like bumping and shit. I was like I'm feeling it Well, I'm like but oh, you know what?
Speaker 3:Oh my god, that scene was also just as well as just as iconic, because you want me to tell you what else is kind of sus, though? What's kind of sus is that jaco does try to take more of an aggressive manner with Bella, but she's just like not. I don't want that, not from you.
Speaker 1:Oh, and here's another funny thing, what makes it sad and ironic in a way. It's like every time charlie tried to tell billa hey, you should hang up with jaco more, you. You like hanging out with jaco, right? And then it was like the more people keep Suggesting that billa should just hook up with jaco, the more she's like and I'm not that interested. But then we have someone like edwards where I was like I don't want you hanging out with that boy, and then she was like I just can't get enough of him dad.
Speaker 3:You understand. He's so important to me.
Speaker 1:Edwards in my life and he was like he. He dropped that beer as like. I'm starting to realize that.
Speaker 3:Like.
Speaker 1:Sometimes people get pushed into the opposite.
Speaker 3:Bella is the epitome of a of a. This is literally the epitome of a teenage romance. It's so Written, so goddamn bad.
Speaker 1:Sad about that mirror jane.
Speaker 1:What let's not limited to just teenagers. Let's not do that, because, let's be real, I would say anywhere between Teenage years to Close to 25. That's when it's like the how can I put this? Emotional immaturity is at its peak, in my opinion, because it's like it's almost like you're still trying to find yourself, you're still trying to like, um, figure out what you like and shit. But sometimes you get into these relationships. We're okay, uh, it felt right at first, but then you see all the red flags now and blah, blah, blah and then just like, sometimes it's not just teenagers that go through this shit. It's like, uh, it can carry on to adulthood too.
Speaker 1:I've seen it and, um, it's different reasons, so I'm not judging too hard on it. But I'm just be honest with you. It's not just limited to teenagers. Like it, just more lines of there, just something going on to where, uh, usually when the taste for these Uh, unhealthy dynamics.
Speaker 1:It's kind of a cry for help. Sometimes like, um, because usually, like every time, I see like this dynamics where it seems like they have this toxic ex or this toxic boyfriend, and Like I get to hear them out and see like what, uh, where the heads at, and not to be mean, but some of these chicks Definitely need to check into therapy based on, uh, not just what they're saying with a boyfriend, but it just in general towards like year shit, like oh, we have this condition, or daddy was never around, or Some other shit. It's like you hear these different things and not to judge on those things, but it's like I realized that it's not just teenagers that go through this shit. It's like sometimes, um, it's just a matter of you sometimes, but more like young women. Let's keep it over.
Speaker 3:I must say you know, I agree with you. I think it's women in general, I think it could be any age, any of this could happen. But like you really see it, you know, you, just you just kind of see it when you're, you can remember when you were that young.
Speaker 1:You can remember, yeah, feeling that way or thinking that way and like and that's why I was saying like, that's why I said that I feel for jaco, because I used to be in that situation, minds the baby part, because I'm like no way, no fucking way, I'm gonna be like oh yeah, I see that you got a baby, congratulations. By the way, I'm gonna marry that baby in 18 years. I'm like hell. No, I'm like.
Speaker 3:Not even 18 years, because she's gonna be 18 in the next like three, so be prepared for that, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, like, I used to be in that situation to where, like I you know, not that I was thinking that, oh, if I was being nice, or she's probably gonna like me and want to be my girlfriend. No, it's more like I'll. I believe in goodness for the sake of goodness, because there's too much evil in the world, like there's need to be someone out there that want us Through that. There are some goodness out there in the world and that's just. My thing is like I don't believe in being mean or toxic all the time. But oh, dear jane, I'm sorry I'm gonna have to tell you this.
Speaker 1:Uh, sometimes, when I be talking to the ladies, and sometimes I be kind of an asshole, you know, in a playful way, to where I'm like, okay, like safer, I think you might be, um, messed around the laptop, and then I'll probably do some shit like close the laptop order and try to snatch it from since, shit like that. Uh, you know, just playful shit. Um, usually when I'm that kind of asshole, I get more of a response than when I'm just being nice To where, when I'm just being nice and cool, like I'm not trying to hurt you or be mean to her anything and it's like okay, well, this is nice, but I'm not all that interested. But when I'm kind of an asshole and it's almost like for some reason I'm like A fucking comedian, now to where I'm like they just laugh at my joes and now they want to what I'm up to and blah, blah, blah and it's almost like yo.
Speaker 3:Okay. So I think I think there's too Too Dynamics there, right, like girls want mystery, like I think, yeah, I'm, I'm thinking, I can't follow.
Speaker 1:I'm girl to girl. We'll see that If you.
Speaker 3:Yeah it, yeah. So like girls want mystery, but then they also want that guy to be entertaining as well, like they don't want to get bored either. You know, and sometimes when you're that's it the best way I can say it sometimes when you're nice, it doesn't feel like that's your personality, like they want to see. Like what's your personality Like? Are you funny? Can we have good conversation? And sometimes it sucks, but it seems like the mean people or mean dudes they'd be willing to like have good conversation, make jokes, be a little funny, be more playful instead of just oh well, you know, I fixed you coffee but I'm out Like don't just put me coffee and leave, fix me coffee and have a tantalizing conversation with me, or pull my hair, and I don't want to say pull my hair, wait a minute, don't do that.
Speaker 1:No, I guess what you're saying, but it's essentially it's more like the reason why the bad boys usually is more successful is because they have this level of confidence to where, regardless of whether she's digging me or not, I'm still the shit. It's like that's that kind of mantra that they have running in their head on repeat. So a point to where it's like they're not trying to be as careful at the nice guy. That's like oh well, I don't want to hurt your feelings, I don't want to upset you or make you cry or anything like that. See, the fact that you're not willing to like take those risks, you're not getting very far with them. To where it's like it's almost like oh yeah, like you were saying that with nice Sometimes it feels like what's your real personality? Because I feel like you're holding back for some reason and just feels like you being nice. It comes off as phony and my things. But personally it's more like, like I said, I don't believe in being mean to somebody just for the hell of it. So I'm not going to be mean to just because, like you know, that's just wasn't really me.
Speaker 1:But somewhere along the line I was like the more I experienced things, the more. Those world just drive me crazy. I realized you know what Fuck it. I'm just going to do me and whatever happens happens and, funny enough, I find my confidence and I find myself to be funnier than I gave myself credit for, and it's only because I just stopped giving the fuck about whether people going to stick around or not, because, you know, sometimes some jokes are not going to land with some people and some people want to find this joke hilarious.
Speaker 1:Like I'm not going to go into too much detail, but let's just say I made a joke about only fans girls versus podcasters. Some people, including girls, thought it was funny and some of them thought it was offensive and, yes, I lost friends making that joke, but, like I told them, I'm like I don't regret saying it because there is some truth to it. I'm not going to say what it was, but I'm just going to put it to you. Like that Point being is that sometimes you got to take those risks and be like just crack your jokes anyways and whoever likes you will like you and stick around and they don't, then oh well, and that's how some dudes like ends up bridging up girls because it's like they just have that confidence to where they're just going to crack their jokes.
Speaker 1:They want to say, do what they want to do, and if they're feeling it, then they're feeling it, if not, we just keep it pushing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I absolutely agree with you and in sense that's kind of Jacob said fuck it, I'm going to imprint on your daughter, I mean, I know, just to bring it like full circle, and the fact, that he even went as far as telling Edward is like hey, do you mind if I call you dad?
Speaker 1:and then Edward is like no, that's never going to be a thing.
Speaker 3:Bro, and then like but that's kind of like he became.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but when you think about it, you mean to tell me that you been beeping with a dude. That pretty much like stole on the girl that you like away from you, and then like X years later I don't know how long gone, Like you say, like three years for Renes made to have like a full adult body and he's like next thing you know it's like, yeah, I know we're beeping, but now that I'm dating your daughter, we cool now, right?
Speaker 3:Biggest but biggest impact and that's the. I don't give a fuck. I found myself like big boss in that, because we get to see Jacob big boss up Like and he's like bro, I'm going to do whatever I want to do because of who my granddaddy is. I know who I am. I know who I am. I know I ain't. Y'all ain't going to tell me what to do. Same thing with you, edward. You told me what to do with Bella. You told me and you basically made her choose. But I hate to tell you, your daughter ain't got no choice than this. She's going to choose me. No, I'm telling her what to do, like how I know that sounds.
Speaker 3:So I'm not an advocate for this at all. I'm just like dissecting the relationship dynamic between Jacob and Edward. And it's like it's a big F. You like you stole my best. First of all, he did not only just steal the girl, he stole his best friend. Yeah, like now I can't have anything really to do with my best friend because she's a vampire and I mean, where now I had to bring my family in to defend y'all for a fight that wasn't even my? The only reason I'm here is because of the door, like I want to be a part of this fight. I want to be a part of this fight.
Speaker 1:I want to be a part of this fight.
Speaker 1:Can I just say that it's wild how, with the box office and versus the budget on these films, like these movies made like way more than what they like. Okay, the first movie the budget was 37 million, the boss office was 408.4 million. New moon the budget was 50 million, the box office was 711 million. Eclipse was 68 million on a budget, 698 million in the box office and essentially with the breaking down movies there were like a million apiece, but they got back like 7 to 800 million. So I'm like, yeah, a lot of people showed up for these movies.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely A lot of people, a lot of teenagers, man, a lot of teenagers, a lot of us getting to relive those moments from reading the books and then think about the merch sales because Hot Topic has so much freaking. Team Edward, team Jacob, merch, like. I definitely took part. I definitely got my earrings. That says smitten and bitten. I still have those. Okay, they're collector's items, I think I don't know. But, like the movies, honestly though, I will say they could have done better by the last movie. As much money as they made, they could have done way better with that last movie and the fight scenes could have been done way better. And I think we I don't know if you guys already talked about it, but I hated the fact this is my biggest hate the fact that that fight wasn't real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was telling on site some of that to where I'm like, bro, like that was the biggest fucking. To where it's like, oh, you saw like Carl up getting killed as Megan killed, old bunch of people dying and shit. And it's like, oh shit, there's like stakes to this shit. And then they see, you know, like oh, it was just a vision that Alex was giving on what's his face on. The main guy, by the way, shout out to Michael team, because he was actually a good actor. Like he was kind of weird with it but it was actually good. Like it's actually that laugh he was doing. Like, but he was like, um, he was like that eccentric vampire that like you know what I'm going to let you have this because, um, he kind of broke the ice with his. It was aro, that was the name. He was the one that was like leading the bull toria. I thought I liked that.
Speaker 3:Listen, michael Sheen definitely did absolutely amazing, and not only that, but um possibility for connecting um underworld to Twilight. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying because he also played uh, I think he played Lucian in Twilight. I can't remember Um, but not uh, twilight, but in um, uh, in.
Speaker 1:Underworld.
Speaker 3:In.
Speaker 1:Underworld, oh yeah, underworld, right, right, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think he played Lucian in Underworld, so what a way to connect the two worlds, both vampires, I'm just saying um, but yeah, I like, I thought his acting was absolutely amazing, but I also thought the most Runezmi was really believable. I believed her as a little as a child actress. Um, I did not. A lot of people liked, uh, the werewolves and the CGI, but I actually liked it. I thought it was done well for the time being and with what we had and resources we had the fight you know like at that time I thought it looked really well. I don't think, I don't think we can hold with what, with how much money they spent on the CGI. I'm appreciative of how they looked, um, and I thought, uh, I also thought like they. By the last movie all the actors just looked way better. I thought the makeup looked way better. By the last movie Everything was just amped up to the umpteenth degree and I was really glad for that.
Speaker 3:And then for that fight scene. Just, it took not be real definitely fell flat. It's also not real in the books either, but it's less so. There's more, uh in the books. There's more hype around it, if that makes sense. There's more hype around getting Alice to, uh, michael Sheen's character so he can see the vision, right, but there is a battle, but it's not the battle that we see. It's more of the well rules protecting them from being attacked by the Volterrae and getting Alice to him so he can see the vision.
Speaker 3:So there is a fight, but not that fight, and Bella is basically using her power to protect everyone and project everyone and to project out her shield to protect the house and protect, obviously, renezmi, which is why they end up Jacob ends up taking her away. Yeah, but it I'll say that that scene was my least favorite scene and I felt like they could have just left it out. I know that if they were going to do that, they could have just left the shit out, like, why get us high? Why? And because I don't know if you remember the advertising for it at that time, but that's all they showed. I like all they showed were the fight scenes, that's it. So everyone was hyped for these fight scenes and we thought they just changed the eating of blood.
Speaker 1:It was like it got the Harry Potter treatment at the last minute to where you know how, like when the Harry Potter series, like it was good, like even to this day, like all the movies hold up. But when you get to the end and it's like this big battle scene and everybody finally grew into their roles as the characters and whatnot, it's like, and the visual effects was better and whatnot, yeah, it's like essentially, and oh, it doesn't help that Harry Potter was like the first one to do the whole part one, part, two thing and then immediately afterwards, twilight had to do the same thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I didn't even think about it that way. And then you got to think about it too, like the tides for the movies were changing at that time too. People were starting to want more action in the movies too. But I think that's because my theory is because, like, we were growing up so, and we were technically the target audience for those movies, so I felt like they had to grow up with us, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that brings up another point and honestly, we're going to have to wrap it up because I got prepared for two more reviews today. I feel like with the Twilight saga I'm sorry, I kind of brain fart for a moment, I'm trying to think of shit. But the whole thing with Twilight, like it's definitely some parts where I did like to wear, like you said, if the fights were a little bit better, if the whole final fight wasn't like was real and whatnot, it would have left a more lasting impression on us. But at the end of the day it was, like you say, it was mainly geared towards on teenage and more so teenage girls, and that was kind of pissed me off. Nowadays, not against that, like, by all means, let them have it. But it's the part where you fall in love with this IP or franchise, at first when you're at younger, and then the franchise keeps going and you're older and you're kind of expecting more. But these folks are like saying, oh well, I'm sorry, I thought you would have grown out of this by now. And that's why you have people saying, on one hand, why are adults watching cartoons? But then you have adult animations. So it's like, which one is it Like are we supposed to grow out of this shit or not? So I know it's not the same with Twilight, but that just reminded me of shit to wear Like, whether it's like the live action versions of all these different anime adaptations, like you, you hawker show, for instance, where it just seemed like, ok, there's a live action version of it now, and you have the OG fan base coming back and saying, oh, I hope it's as good as we hope, you know.
Speaker 1:And then turns out some folks did not like the live action adaptation. And then the people who make the shit have your destiny to say, oh well, it's not for you. And I'm like fuck, you mean like, I've been a fan since the beginning. What you mean, it's not for me. And the oh well, it's for a younger audience. And I'm like so you're just going to completely rewrite what made the IP great to appeal to a younger audience. And then, on what are we getting into room to elsewhere? Like, ok, there is the younger audience that only seen the live action and there's the older audience that only seen the anime. And then we're just going to get all crossed up and conflicted because it's like oh, the new shit is implying that the OG fan base should have moved on and they can just pretty much rewrite whatever happened in the OG source material and implant imprint their own message. You know how they do the messages and the, the bleminal.
Speaker 2:But Mm, hmm.
Speaker 1:That's what makes me mad nowadays, to where it seems like it's almost like it's not cool to be an older fan of the same IP that you keep reviving after all these years, where it's like, oh, we're supposed to outgrow the shit, then why do you keep bringing it back?
Speaker 3:All right, I have a whole. No, I agree, I don't want to get, I don't want to get too deep into it because I know we're running out of time, but I think what I'll say this what Twilight did right, was it aged appropriately?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like at that time it aged appropriately and then which is why I'm glad we didn't get more Does that make like no one moves after that, like I'm glad, I don't want to remake. Please, don't go out there and remake this, please. Um, I don't want any more books. I think that there's. I think there's a certain time where people should just be like you know what, we're not gonna mess with it. You know like, we're not gonna mess with the source material, we're gonna leave it where it's at. We've already made it. We made it into a movie. Let's leave it at that. I have a problem with a lot of adult animations and then I also have a problem with a lot of people saying like oh well, it's not me. For you or your age group, it's aimed at the younger demographic. Okay, no, you're lying. You're just saying that because the older demographic isn't flying with your BS and they're not selling the snow yeah.
Speaker 3:Women that they're just gonna accept trash Like. Personally, I liked the Yu Yu Haka show remake. The reason I liked it is because I like the elements of Asian culture and theater and their zombies. I love the way they do zombies Absolutely, and I thought that was absolutely amazing, the way they brought, because I was wondering how they were going to bring that to life. I was wondering how they were going to merge these stories and make it interesting in the Makai insects.
Speaker 3:So, once we do the Yu Haka show review, I have such an appreciation for I like the live action, but I'm also able to appreciate those differences.
Speaker 3:I think, when it came down to it, they thought everyone was just going to go crazy over it, but what they didn't expect, though, and what I didn't expect, was there's a lot of older generation people who actually just rock with the series. They're like, okay, this is kind of. They don't know anything about the anime, not a clue, but they rock and lead it because they like the zombie aspects. They're comparing it like oh, this reminds me of zombie land, and I'm like why does this remind you of zombie land? I don't know how, but there's an older demographic. They act like they don't watch Netflix or watch TV at all, but they actually rock with it and the younger generation rocks with it too. But we kind of in the middle. It's like, okay, y'all could have done a better job, it's cool, but y'all are missing the bigger picture of a Yu Haka show. So I have a whole thing about adult animations and I'm going to save it.
Speaker 3:I'm going to save it because it's a rant. I'm not going to go there right now, so I'll save that for maybe an after dark episode or something, and we'll get into it.
Speaker 1:All right. With that being said, yeah, let's go ahead and wrap this up. I'm pretty much aware of this and if I missed anything, oh well, it's not that deep Rating time. Despite all the negative criticism I had, there were some things that I did like. I did like the music. I want to say visually it got better in the later installments and there was some likeable characters, but it was one of the development of them was like either a missed opportunity or it's like a de-grational. But no, no. But overall I would say I'll be nice to say three, maybe a solid 2.5. But just be fair, I'm like, okay, I did watch this multiple times to where I'm like it's entertaining enough to watch, so I'll give it credit for being entertaining to an extent. So yeah, three at best.
Speaker 3:Man dang, you are a tough critic. Oh, is this three out of like, five or three out of 10?
Speaker 1:Three out of five.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right, okay, okay, a lot of 10. God dang I kind of under. I don't give it, I'm gonna do out of out of 10. I'm a rated out of 10. And I'm gonna do I'll give it a five. So we're kind of we both agree and I'm glad you brought that up. Quick mention Lupe Piasco did do a song for Twilight. It was so in midnight. It was a great song. I'm just saying Super cool to like see that pop up at that time. I was like, oh my God, it's Lupe Piasco. So you got wrong. The soundtrack absolutely amazing. I can't, I can't even hate on the soundtrack. It's Twilight. I give the soundtrack of Twilight. If I can rate that, I'm gonna give that a six, a solid six, cause I heard some bangers on there that I had never thought I would ever hear in my life and it's like with the music.
Speaker 1:It was like okay, at least it feels appropriate to what was going on in the movie. It kind of felt like yeah, it does sound like a teenage white girl's playlist.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely, paramore did a song decode.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, paramore did like oh fuck, I like the code, not gonna lie, I did.
Speaker 3:And then I think Lincoln Park they did leave out. All the rest was on there. Yeah, I can't even lie. I can't lie. It was definitely a solid six for the Twilight soundtrack, Like some of the biggest artists at that time were on this, and they did a great job of not making the music secondary. I think this was the first movie.
Speaker 3:I was like I could buy the soundtrack and there's a few other nineties movies, but at this time I could have bought the soundtrack and been like and would have supported it if my parents would have given me money for it.
Speaker 1:Alrighty, with that being said, let's just go ahead and close this one out. Thank you, mirajane, for being on with me for this review. Sorry, thomas Smash, I understand that you had things to do, but thank you for being on as well. And to the ladies and gentlemen, you already know the drill Follow us on social media if you wish. Remember to stay nerdy and that great things are coming. I am getting back into 3D printing. It's just that I'm trying to wait on tax returns and whatnot to see if I can get some new machines so we can make some new stuff and get things rolling on that end. Well, until then, take it easy, y'all.