Ever felt the exhilarating rush of speeding through a universe where every leap could lead to a new, unexpected twist? That's the high-octane ride that JetBlackXtreme and Kokugatsu can take you on, as we dissect the whirlwind adventures of "Sonic Prime"! With the breakneck pace of the Blue Blur and the twisted turns of the multiverse, we debate the narrative arcs of Sonic and his arch-rival Shadow, the complex morality of their actions, and the rippling consequences of haste both on-screen and in our daily lives.
We also pay tribute to the evolution of Amy Rose—from a lovelorn sidekick to a savvy strategist—and discuss what it means to face a version of yourself from another reality. Meanwhile, we analyze the power struggles and leadership styles of Rouge the Bat, and the interesting character development of Nine, a variant of Tails that never befriended Sonic in his timeline!
Finally, we reflect on the deeper themes within "Sonic Prime," from the significance of friendship and teamwork to the unexpected heroism that arises from adversity. Through the lens of Sonic's universe, we touch upon our personal experiences with bullying and attraction patterns, connecting the dots between fiction and the real-world challenges of relationships. So join us in this captivating excursion through Sonic's multiverse, where every action-packed moment promises to leave you on the edge of your seat, eagerly awaiting the next loop-de-loop of excitement!
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Ever felt the exhilarating rush of speeding through a universe where every leap could lead to a new, unexpected twist? That's the high-octane ride that JetBlackXtreme and Kokugatsu can take you on, as we dissect the whirlwind adventures of "Sonic Prime"! With the breakneck pace of the Blue Blur and the twisted turns of the multiverse, we debate the narrative arcs of Sonic and his arch-rival Shadow, the complex morality of their actions, and the rippling consequences of haste both on-screen and in our daily lives.
We also pay tribute to the evolution of Amy Rose—from a lovelorn sidekick to a savvy strategist—and discuss what it means to face a version of yourself from another reality. Meanwhile, we analyze the power struggles and leadership styles of Rouge the Bat, and the interesting character development of Nine, a variant of Tails that never befriended Sonic in his timeline!
Finally, we reflect on the deeper themes within "Sonic Prime," from the significance of friendship and teamwork to the unexpected heroism that arises from adversity. Through the lens of Sonic's universe, we touch upon our personal experiences with bullying and attraction patterns, connecting the dots between fiction and the real-world challenges of relationships. So join us in this captivating excursion through Sonic's multiverse, where every action-packed moment promises to leave you on the edge of your seat, eagerly awaiting the next loop-de-loop of excitement!
Text us for feedback and recommendations for future episodes!
We thank everyone for listening to our podcast! We hope to grow even bigger to make great things happen, such as new equipment for higher-quality podcasts, a merch store & more! If you're interested in supporting us, giving us feedback and staying in the loop with updates, then follow our ZONE Social Media Portal!
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Alright, nerds, it's time for another episode of the zone park. Joining me today is Kokigatsu, and we will be joined by Playboy, hopefully later on, as we review Sonic Prime, all three seasons. We normally save this sort of thing for the Sonic Extreme review. But you know, between the Knuckles TV show, is that even out yet? It should be, it feels like it should be, but I didn't hear shit about it. So I know it's on Paramount, so I'll look. If it's not on Paramount, then I'm like what the fuck's going on.
Speaker 1:But yeah, between the Knuckles TV show, sonic had a new game. It was like that platform game, superstars, sonic Superstars, I don't know something like that. And then there was like the final updates, or I think, final updates on Sonic Frontiers. But you know what, it's gonna be a while before we get new Sonic content. So we might as well do Sonic Prime as a whole review, since, like it's pretty much done anyway. So fuck it, it's on and on it. I'm gonna be honest with you. By the time I got to season three, you know what this show felt like. It felt like Kingdom Hearts, but faster paced, yep.
Speaker 2:Okay, I know what I got shown that one.
Speaker 1:Because it's kind of weird, almost like it kind of felt like a video game when you think about it. It's where okay, sonic, he's rushing towards this problem that Eggman is hasing up his team is there fighting there. And keep in mind, this is located in Green Hill, so we're not like in that city where you know, like Sonic X or some made up city and some of the other video games, not like. Let's just, let's be real, let's just go back to Green Hill on this show. So everybody's chilling on Green Hill.
Speaker 1:Eggman's up to no good again trying to get this paradox prism, this McGuffin of the series, and Sonic fucks up, didn't listen to his teammates, ends up shattering the paradox prism, and that caused him to have to traverse through the different worlds and see these alternate versions of his friends and enemies. To an degree, you know like it's mainly Eggman and I want to say Chaos Sonic, if you count the whole Metal Sonic thing. But other than that, it just felt like you know you're traveling different worlds, meaning, uh, paradox versions of your friends and getting into the situation trying to get the paradox prism, up until he visited the last world and Shadow was able to catch up to him, intervene into him. Egg Sonic, you're a fucking up, my dude, you are fucking up. You need to get your shit together and fix this, but you know, I'm just going on. Coco, got to how you felt about Sonic Prime as all.
Speaker 2:Alright. So we did kind of do a, I would say like a soft review of season one a while back when we was like doing a part of a Sonic stream review. That we was doing when we had talked about like getting into the poor, about the video games and other stuff, and we had talked about the series and so did a quick mention into it. I say a quick mention. We did spend a little bit of time, but not as much as I really wanted to. I actually I heavily enjoyed the game, like for me it was. I mean, I enjoyed, I enjoyed the show.
Speaker 2:The show was really good but here's the thing it's because of the fact that it's one of those ones that you can appreciate looking into it in a nostalgic aspect where it's putting this aspect we start off for one in our normal Green Hill and I'm not just talking about I mean like this is the Green Hill, if you look at it, is they literally copied the Green Hill from the Sonic Adventure games, because this Green Hill changes up with every game. But this is they got, we got the Green Hill from the Sonic Adventure games, so it's automatically supposed to give you that feel of, oh, it's like Sonic Adventure, oh, we're coming back to some good shit right now. Like no, this be real. Before Frontier's, when was the last time we had a really good 3D Sonic game?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like, see, we don't even like like to a no is the 2010 to 2020 era of Sonic because like.
Speaker 2:But those of y'all who've been listening to it it's obviously been a while, so all of our new listeners into it. A couple of the older ones I did like a couple of them, not many of them. Like Black Knight was pretty fun to me, the one with the genie, that was pretty fun to me as well too. But the stories were just kind of like eh, kind of, but those were only made for the Wii. So it's like at the time, you know, during the Wii, having long and deaf games wasn't like the thing to go. Otherwise, you had to have multiple discs like look at you, legend of Zelda games Before we finally got a chance to get like the Skyrosaur and Twilight Princess and get those in-depth games. But those kept doing a lot of that tracking. If you go into one continual linear storyline, like the Tails games, you had to have multiple discs Like that's just how it was. Them discs was yeah, so, yeah, back during them, back during them times, but no, that's all. So there was some that were okay, but as far as like good, you can't say that they were Like. There's no way you could be like, oh, these great, these games are great. No, I didn't really want it so. But no, it's like so we got a chance to get. It felt like a callback to the good time. So I was like, okay, I'm feeling good onto this right now.
Speaker 2:And then we got let's be honest, we got the knucklehead Sonic, because those who are big fans, look, those who are big fans of Sonic, know that there's two. There's two, no, like three different versions of Sonic. You have classic Sonic, which, of course, is just the old school little hedgehog Sonic who doesn't talk, just real talk. He doesn't talk. The only time he really spoke was what was it? Sonic Underground.
Speaker 1:So when you use that version of Sonic Underground.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm not. This Sonic didn't really talk like that, he was quiet, he was cool, just kind of went through things. Then we got goofball Sonic, who is what this show is, one who is does not take shit seriously, the one who suffers from the same thing that I think even like Barry Allen had wound up suffering from they had mentioned it was a brief comic in DC because the flash he can think he thinks is such a high speed. It's not just that he moves so fast, it's the fact that because he's in tune with the speed force, his entire being is like extremely fast. So his mind races. Everything is moving too slow. And because everything moves too slow, it you can't take anything seriously, because if he tries to take it too seriously, it freaks him out. This stuff just doesn't go the way it needs to. It can actually cause a mental problem for him, and so that's something that, like they touched on in DC, and it feels almost like the same thing happens with goofball Sonic. Everybody's too slow. He's like, ah, this is taking too long. Nope, this is taking too long, everything is a goof to him. Because he's like can we speed this shit up? Like this is taking too long and it's like nobody moves as fast as you do, and I think it's literally because his brain moves fast but he doesn't process fast Like this. Sonic doesn't process things like that.
Speaker 2:And then you have the Sonic from the comics, archie Sonic. Archie Sonic is a fucking badass. Yeah, archie Sonic is a strategist. He does like goof off every night again, but of course, still likes chili dogs. But the thing about it is that Archie Sonic will think shit through. Archie Sonic can take shit seriously. Archie Sonic is an actual planner. He actually can be a. He's actually a leader of the Rebel Alliance. He's not just oh, this is just a you're like our best bet right now because of your powers type of thing, like goofball Sonic. Archie Sonic actually knows how to do his shit and that's the reason why Archie Sonic is the main one that usually becomes supersonic.
Speaker 2:Goofball Sonic doesn't always become supersonic like that and he knows when he does. His whole demeanor is completely different, like it has to change. He can't control that power and still be goofball. That's not how it works. The power itself also changes him to being more serious. So in this particular case, we have a goofball Sonic and because we have goofball Sonic, everything that fucks up is going to be his fault. Just real talk. It's just no matter what it is, everything that fucks up is his fault.
Speaker 2:Cause we wanted to talk about it already briefly, but just in bringing it back, the fact that Eggman, he didn't necessarily know about the chaos prism. Well, he kind of didn't know a little bit about it, but he didn't really know what it was and exactly how it looked or anything. But he knew how to find the energy signature and so he manipulated Sonic's power to be able to awaken the prism inside of the type of I think it was like the tallest mountain that was there or something like that. And so he wound up tricking Sonic. But then Tails was sitting here, like something seemed off, and he's like Sonic, you're rushing in too fast. I need you to think about this real quick. Something doesn't feel right. This doesn't feel like the normal robot. It sounds like well, I don't think it makes a difference If I just quickly beat them, then we're good to go Right and then just jump straight into it. But Tails is like you really need to listen. So listen, I did say.
Speaker 1:Legend of Zelda.
Speaker 2:I did say Legend of Zelda, didn't I?
Speaker 2:So, don't do that. Don't do that. That's fucking Perry, anyway. But no, so we wanted to get a chance and it gives an opportunity to get in depth into that of like rushing into things can really cause big problems.
Speaker 2:I like watching this series. I watched some of this one with my kids as well too, because, aside from being an attainment for me, it also wanted to have like a lesson for my children. You rush into shit, bad stuff happens, and that's it that happens to my kids all the time. They rush in every day when they're playing with themselves, they're playing with the other kids in the neighborhood. They're always overly rushing everything and like nine times out of 10, somebody gets hurt or somebody's stuff breaks and then they get upset and I'm like that's just what happens, bro, like I told you to stop or I told you to slow down. You didn't listen and congratulations, you've now broken your shit.
Speaker 2:Like this is where we at now, and so that's the lesson that goofball Sonic has to learn you rush into shit, you're gonna break some shit, and what does he do? He breaks the chaos prism and then creates the Shatterverse. All his friends is pretty much stuck in limbo because Green Hill wants to becoming limbo, while the energy of the crystal shatters and creates the other versus. And so now we're just like, what the fuck can we do? And then we want to get a chance to see all these different versions of what would happen if Sonic never existed. And it's like we got, of course, eggman's world Fucking. I can't remember the name of it now Eggman.
Speaker 1:New York City, new.
Speaker 2:York City. I call it Egg Lances.
Speaker 1:Look at that yeah.
Speaker 2:But now it's here. So then you have in different worlds, I mean.
Speaker 1:but to be fair though, to be no hold on, back up, back up. To be fair, I hope you guys see I'm digging Egg Lances a little bit more than New York City. I'm like, come on, y'all could have thought y'all could have worked so by naming a little bit better, but Egg Lances sounded way better Like y'all could have thought of Egg Lances.
Speaker 2:I don't know, see, I don't like it. See, now we're going to have to have this stick for a minute too. Oh no, Egg Lances. What's the size when?
Speaker 1:is it? Y'all could have called it Egg Lances. But man enough for us.
Speaker 2:Enough for us, like we get this opportunity to kind of see what would happen if Sonic was never there. And New York City is like the worst, obviously, because it's the one where Eggman wanted to begin at. The thing that most confuses me and this is something that I found very interesting is that I think a little detailed plot point that I've gotten a chance to go back and look at it now after the series ended, because you know, once we get to the end we kind of retake the beginning again. But Sonic finally does the right thing this time and listens and shit and shit gets better.
Speaker 2:But think about it in this aspect, when they said it's Sonic the one who broke the, who broke the prism, and because he broke the prism, he's the one who caused all these different Shadow Verses to happen. Shadow used Chaos Control at that moment, so he was not affected by the prism, so he was not put into different worlds. So we wound up having not just no Shadow, not just no Sonic. We had no Shadow in those worlds as well too, which also makes a difference, because if Shadow had been present in some of those other worlds, things would have been very different.
Speaker 1:Listen, that's why I was saying the whole time where I'm like bro see, that's why I was saying like people saying, oh, why don't you put Shadow into Sonic Frontier? Listen, listen, as much as I love Shadow it would make it a little more easy.
Speaker 2:That game. That game is broken as a motherfu where I'm like just insanely broken.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you were made shit way too easy, so I'm like I'm not see that's. My thing is like Shadow is not the type of character that you just throw it into any situation. It's more like a okay, bro, we fucked up, we can't handle this, can you help us out? And then Shadow's just gonna?
Speaker 2:he's gonna flick his cigarette and be like oh, ah, I guess Pull out the Shotis like you did in that game, yeah, and be like I guess. But no, for real though. Like Shadow is just that bad. It's like he's on purpose. It's that bad ass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, let's be honest though, like Shadow was, like I mean, god damn, like Shadow was like he really was. He is that dude like he really is the MVP of it, because he was once like bro, you are fucking up how you gonna fix this and I was like oh no.
Speaker 2:And think about the fact that they also was like having that. They did have that little slick moment too, where they'd be like all right, mr Emo, mr Emo, wanna be person. I'm like, oh no, y'all did not do Shadow like that, don't you dare? Don't you dare Shadow?
Speaker 1:No, like I, like how. In this version of it he was appropriately Emo. It's like he was Emo within reason. It was like he wasn't edgy just for the sake of being edgy, but it was more like he was being fairly stoic and level headed about the situation, except when it came to grilling Sonic, because when it comes to Sonic, I'm like that goddamn Sonic the Hedgehog, he's the fuck off. Other than that, he keeps it level head about for it.
Speaker 2:It's still very funny in the aspect of it, the fact that Sonic and Shadow are like two very different characters, and the fact that they're both like like Shadow is much older than Sonic and he really doesn't dull on that, because a lot of people always think, oh well, shadow is actually just a copy of Sonic. No, no you don't?
Speaker 1:He's at least 50 years older than Sonic, at least 50.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause his Eggman's grandfather, if you create him. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, If he played the Shadow the Hedgehog game. Yeah, it tries to where, like he was made like 50 years before Sonic showed up. Yeah this is the whole thing. Yeah, man, listen, Shadow. The Hedgehog's backstory gave it rehash about as much time as Batman's. At this point, Pretty much. You're not wrong on that.
Speaker 2:You're not wrong on that, but for reals though, but yeah, it's one of those things of like we wanted to be having these worlds without Shadow and without Sonic, which makes a very big difference on how things worked out, because, like, on some realness though, like I said, if Shadow had been there, a lot of stuff would have been very different. Like, a lot of stuff would have been very different. Yeah, but no, but also I was trying to remember my point, cause we wanted to go on off track.
Speaker 1:Can I slide one small detail though?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 1:Even though this was in a in an anti well, not zero gravity space, you know, in between worlds. I kind of like how that was the first time we ever see Shadow use his jet boost like to actually fly and shit versus, you know, like lighting on shit, like you know how, in Sonic Adventure 2, where you see him fly only one time in that one scene and that's it. You never see him fly with those boosts on every engine.
Speaker 2:This is true.
Speaker 1:This is true.
Speaker 2:But it takes up like, if I'm correct, it supposedly takes up chaos, energy for him to do it, but I don't, oh yeah, of course, because he lost.
Speaker 1:Oh, I wonder, like did he like permanently lose that chaos? Emerald?
Speaker 2:No, he got it back, he got it back, he got it back.
Speaker 1:My bad, I guess I didn't notice that part, but yeah okay, Cool, cool, cool cool. Because that would be weird Like, oh shit, you just lost the chaos, emerald, how's that going off?
Speaker 2:I believe me, he was upset when he lost that chaos emerald in the. He was very upset when he had lost that chaos emerald in the voice saving Sonic oh, he was so mad he made sure he brought that up. Who Sonic he was, like you know, lost my my shit because of you. Because of you.
Speaker 1:And can I also mention how, like I'm sorry before we keep doing this, but in a weird way, since we keep making parallels to Dragon Ball Z and Sonic anyways, Shadow, with that green chaos emerald, specifically reminds me of Goku with the four star Dragon Ball. It's like it's always something about that ball. It's like I don't care about any other emerald, it's just something about that one.
Speaker 2:Well, no, and so that's actually pretty funny because in the well, this has nothing to do with Sonic Prime. So I'm just mentioning it really quick. In the in the Archie comics, specifically, shadow is known for having a favorite emerald and, surprisingly, is not the green one. I don't remember exactly which one it is, but I do remember it wasn't the green one. I couldn't remember if it was the red or purple.
Speaker 1:I would believe red.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think it was red, but yeah, it was. So he does actually have a favorite emerald, but he is known for having all the other different ones. But the reasoning behind it is because the emeralds that he got was based upon his birth. He was experimented for, he was experimented on with the chaos emeralds in order to control that power. However he was, he had one. There was one that Robotnik, the grandpa Robotnik, had that he used in order to experiment on Shadow. So he winds up having more of a connection to that emerald because that's the one he wound up getting his control powers from.
Speaker 1:All right, yeah, that's all I had on. You have something that you wanted to share.
Speaker 2:So the wound up happening is as well too. Is that you're not wrong on that? I just saw your message. You're not wrong, it is.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you got that.
Speaker 2:But one of the things I was saying this as well too is the fact that when Sonic wound up shattering the prism, if you pay attention, robotnik was holding the prism, was actually touching one of the shards of the prism as well too. Okay, pay attention to that one. He was specifically touching the red one. Had he not been, I have a theory that had he not been touching the prism because well, he, because he was grabbing the whole thing, but he was primarily on the red ones first when Sonic, while I'm shattering it, if Robotnik had not been touching the red one primarily, we would have had a Robotnik in every single Shatterverse, cause you keep in mind to that, we had enough Robotniks for every Shatterverse. Not just that, every single little Robotnik, every single Robotnik would fit in one of the other worlds.
Speaker 1:When you really-. Yeah because they didn't plan to do that. But no, no, instead, let's do it smart. We'll rule over all of them in one spot. So, in other words, we'll stay here, but we rule over everything else.
Speaker 2:Well, keep in mind this one. They only had a thought there may be other worlds out there, but they had no confirmation of that until Sonic showed us.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, one more thing. Can I also mention how okay to be fair, this was mainly aimed to be more like a kid's show, so in that aspect I'm not gonna get too much criticism or there's a lot of theories that happened in this.
Speaker 2:To be just a kid's show, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's just the thing. What kind of made me a little disappointed about this whole thing.
Speaker 1:And keep in mind, I understand it's supposed to be like nerfed supposed to be and it's fine but still, I was a little disappointed where it's like I thought it was gonna be a little bit more ambitious than that, like where, okay, not just alternate versions of the characters, but you know like we'll see some alternate versions of Sonic or Shadow or you know something a little bit more different, something crazy, some shit. But nah, it didn't get that crazy, that's the main thing. But I can't really complain about how they did it. It's just I was kind of expecting more and I'm like well, this is fine.
Speaker 2:Let's put in this aspect. That's why I was putting those little, those different theories into it. Think about it in this aspect. How would it have worked out if Shadow did not use Chaos Control at that time? It would have had a different Shadow in every single world.
Speaker 1:Things would have been very different.
Speaker 2:But you keep in mind also in the fact that every other person had, like they struggled coming to terms with another version of themselves from a different world because they were so different but also so much the same. So there was a struggle in that aspect of them meeting those other versions of them. But then you also think about an aspect of we had separate Shadows in every single world. Who would have been the person to help steer Sonic in the right direction? The purpose of Shadow getting that Chaos, being able to see what was happening, getting that Chaos Emerald and using Chaos Control. Right before that, the Prism was on purpose specifically to help out with the writing. We were supposed to have Shadow help steer Sonic in the right direction. Otherwise, realistically, sonic would have never found Green Hill again. To be honest, he just kept bouncing from world to world, but he was only able to bounce from world to world that had a crystal until Nine and the Robotnik Council. I know what the name is, I'm just calling them the Robotnik Council.
Speaker 1:Chaos Council.
Speaker 2:They are not deserving of that name, anyway.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, but that's where they're calling them.
Speaker 2:The Chaos Council. The Chaos Council would be in all the Shadows. That's what it would have been.
Speaker 1:I mean that's the funny thing. It's like y'all have these cool names for things that don't deserve them, but then you have these guys as name, these weird names Like okay, dr Babbel. Okay, that's one thing.
Speaker 2:I forgot what the old dude was called, but oh, oh, but that's what that was, one of my things that was played into. My theory Was that, when you really think about it, one of the each of the Chaos Council, each Robotnik, would fit perfectly inside of one of the other worlds.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, I could definitely see Dr Deep being from the pirate world, because you know, I mean it's his name, not Dr Deep. So it was kind of on a nose there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why I think that it was supposed to be like. That's why I put it as a theory in that aspect, but I really think that that's what was supposed to happen was that it was supposed to be that each one was supposed to be in a different world, but because they were holding the prism when it got shattered, they wound up all being birken to the same world, because remember how their relations is very different as well too.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They didn't really talk too much about it, but their relations were very different as well too. It was like how is it that all of y'all just have to be together like this? Where's the mom, where's the? Who's the brother, who's the? Like? You got a little baby. You're like come on, that was very clear. The baby should have been inside of the? Um the nowhere. No, no, not no place. Um the green, the forest world. To me, that, like, it just feels like that would have been the perfect spot.
Speaker 1:And then, yeah, you have Dr D, because it was no, no, I get that because you know it was like prehistoric, so it'd be like the beginning, so it was like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So you could feel how each one should have been in a very different world and stuff, and so things would have played out very differently. Also, imagine having bounced back and forth between worlds and having to fight all these different virges and robotics and then them finally coming together with these different ideas from how they were ruling their world, trying to rule other worlds, and then trying to come together. It's like they kind of just sped up the process by just putting them all in the same world. I still think things probably would have still been the same as far as the chaos council itself, but how it would have affected those other worlds would have been drastically different.
Speaker 1:What was the other worlds again, because I'm trying to keep track of, okay, the New York City, there's the prehistoric world, there's the pirate world and I'm like thinking hold on. I know there's two more, but I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 2:You still have the Grimm, because the Grimm had his own crystal as well too, I mean if someone thinking you know it really explored that mini world.
Speaker 1:So where do the other two go? Okay, hold on. Mr Egg may have to be from Green Hill. Yeah, get in the phone call. Yeah. Yeah, I'm awkward. Hopefully we begin Get Kokiatsu back on for a moment. But yeah, it started prime, I don't know. I mean, I'm still digging it, but I thought it would have been more ambitious than what it was when I was on the phone. That's the back on Check. Okay.
Speaker 2:This is the recording cut. I'm sorry, ladies, but I'm just getting me a quick moment.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, is that me? Oh shit, did it cut? No, it's like a roller. Okay, there we go, I got you.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah Fun stuff.
Speaker 2:My apologies on that one. You know how that works. As soon as you get a phone call, all of a sudden it's like and we have to cut your connection. Yeah, oh, it's fun, but hold on. I was stuck because I know we're trying to pull up with all the shadow verses are. So we have the void, so the void wound up actually counting as a shadow verse in itself, which is pretty interesting. So we had the void New York City, Boss Cage, Mage the Grim I didn't mention that one no place, and then ghost hill. So those are the six. So the void actually counted as a hub as we counted as a shadow verse in itself.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Now, I wouldn't have thought about that without looking at the week. That's probably looking at you using this self. To be honest with you, I didn't think about that and you won't think about that till you look at the week. But that actually does count as as its own shadow verse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's crazy. What else? What else is there to say about Sonic Prime?
Speaker 2:I mean, we just talked about this generic thing. We can go ahead and break down some of the different characters into it. So now Amy winds up getting broken up into all these different worlds and it still winds up being a very big MVP, like real talk, and big MVP in every single world.
Speaker 1:So okay, if you get too deep into it, I'm going to. I have to say it, I got to do my nitpick. Why is it that we see? That's why I'm saying where it could have been more ambitious, to where I thought they were going to the direction I have in Metal Sonic being the actual Metal Sonic being involved into this shit, and I felt like Rusty Rose was like a precursor to that. But then you get Chaos Sonic and I'm looking at it, design and whatnot. I'm like I'm not that impressed. And the attitude with Chaos Sonic, where I'm like he makes he's even a bigger group Like oh my God, he came off lammer than Sonic, Not going live with some of the jokes. But and I know we were talking about this long before the podcast it was like, oh, but what about that rainbow stream? That was pretty nice.
Speaker 1:I'm like bro. That looked like what if we were like in Tron Legacy, but they had that little streak of light, but it looked like vomit colored.
Speaker 2:That's what it looked like to me, lord Almighty, you absolutely hated it.
Speaker 1:Bro, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, that's what it looked like to me.
Speaker 2:That's great. That is you absolutely. I thought it was pretty straight to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:Let's agree to disagree. I'm not trying to hate you bad, but I'm just calling it like I see it.
Speaker 2:Look, if I had any, only if I had one. Hate about a rainbow Sonic type shit is the fact that it reminded me too much of that one Naruto movie where Naruto had the rainbow Rasengan.
Speaker 1:Right, right right.
Speaker 2:Probably my only thing into it, but otherwise it really to me wasn't bad.
Speaker 1:Like I mean, Grim Sonic was an improvement. Okay, I'm digging Grim Sonic, I'm digging Grim Sonic because he went and talk.
Speaker 2:That's the only reason I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean, I like I say it wasn't an improvement, but no, okay, no for real, though, amy. Yes, mvp, because he had stronger character in this one's way, like I got kind of tired of the whole things where Amy just felt like a fam girl for Sonic or it was more like oh God forbid it. She was like Sonic booming. But this one I'm digging this one it felt like Amy was the ones where like okay, sonic is not around, amy can fill in as the facto leader until Sonic is back in. Well, at this point Sonic's not exactly as weird. Like God damn, it's like they don't really need a leader. But at the same time it's like Sonic and Amy. They just feel like the facto leader, not really the leader, but it's more like they kind of depend on one or the other.
Speaker 2:They need a leader is just that almost every, every single aspect needed, like Amy, to step up. Right, that's just really kind of how I want to think. So, like, look so, new York City, I get what you're saying as far as about about Ruby Rose, about how it was kind of worked out into that one. First off, understanding how fucked up it still was to see that happening, because you just understood, seeing this version of Amy, that they ripped off pieces of her and roboticized her. That was really, really fucked up, but they did. She was part of the resistance, so she was. They didn't. I don't think they mentioned that she was a leader, but she was part of the resistance. She was someone that was captured and they did that to her.
Speaker 1:It's just like and that was the thing is like I thought, if they would do something like that, I'm like, oh shit, how ambitious are they getting with this whole thing? And then we get to season three. I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2:But as they, all of this was also based upon them having the power of the crystal. So once Sonic showed up and that shard, the crystal sharp, being gone, the piece of that prism I'm calling it crystal because it's like it's still it's still a piece of it, so I guess I'm gonna call it a shard cause. Shard is usually more of a piece of something. So, with them still having that shard, because they don't no longer had the paradox shard anymore, they weren't able to do as much, they had to slow down, they were only able to do so much, and how things worked out. But they still had reserves of Sonic's energy. That's why they were able to create chaos Sonic. As far as in that aspect, I like chaos Sonic in the fact that it wasn't robot Sonic Because, thinking about this aspect, eggman had fought robot, had fought Sonic so many times and studied so much data that he created a better, what he believed to be a much better version of Sonic. And that's where we got robot Sonic and, in many iterations, robot Sonic, because it's only because Robotnik's always limited it. If he had his limiter removed, he was an absolute threat, like literally a fucking Ultron. Threat is how robot Sonic wanted to be Even just briefly mentioning. You probably remember Super Mario Bros Z where Mario Luigi it was a YouTube series where these guys had crossed over Mario Luigi into the Sonic world and what wound up happening is that robot Sonic wanted to get in hold of all the Chaos Emeralds as well as also getting a hold of some of the Mushroom Kingdom powers as well too, like Bowser's Power and shit, and it became an ultimate fucking threat that threatened every single world. But even outside of that, even in the comics, robot Sonic if he removed his limiter, he was a threat, like an absolute threat, and it was just one of those things of like that's how Robotnik built him. He built him to be better than Sonic. He's fought Sonic so much.
Speaker 2:The Chaos Council did not fight Sonic long enough to be able to say they can make a better version. In fact, they even said it themselves. It's like they wanted to do something better, but this is what they had. So they pretty much made a copy of what they understood Sonic to be, and that's why we wound up having Chaos Sonic. So there is a very big difference in it and it's on purpose.
Speaker 2:It's based upon the writing. They did kind of explain it just a little bit in itself too, but it's one of those things that I can appreciate it, because he was not meant to be Robot Sonic. It was supposed to be a callback to Robot Sonic, yes, but it was not supposed to be Robot Sonic. These Eggman, the Chaos Council, have not fought Sonic enough to have truly been able to study him well enough to create an actual, better version. If you had five Robotniks build an actual together, build an actual Metal Sonic, that shit would be the most dangerous motherfucker ever. But no, but as far as I got the different iterations of Amy, we got Ruby Rose from New York City. You had damn, I forgot her name but the rose from Boss Cage, who wound up being the one that's guarding the green crystal, the green shard. Sorry, but the thing about it is that I learned?
Speaker 2:Yeah, the one wanted to be amazing to me on this aspect, because the fact that she, like she is the embodiment of the Amy Rose that we know Like, but just kind of a more primal version, the one that's like. I'm not held back on my love for Sonic, I have my ideals and I'm a fucking badass with my hammer and that's what the fuck I do. It's just straight up, like, handle shit, like, like it's nothing, literally to the point that she was able to like battle all the other characters like in her world, like it was nothing, like she was a threat. They were scared. He didn't want to go down there because they like don't want to mess with her.
Speaker 1:Well, hold on. Can I think about it? Can I say that I also appreciate how, right before all the events happened, even then, where it's like Amy didn't act so love struck for Sonic and the first episode towards moral, I yeah, we're friends and like I'm low ahead enough to have conversation with him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, Well, also keep in mind they didn't like something like none of them liked Sonic at first too. That's also one of the funniest things to me None of them liked Sonic at first.
Speaker 1:I mean, when you put it that way, that actually makes it fair because, like, not to say that Sonic is an unlikable character, it's just moral lines of the way Sonic acts is like you're not supposed to just be, like, oh, he's so likeable we can just wave all the red flags. No, no, no. Like, sometimes he don't listen, sometimes he gets a little carried away and you're going to have to call him out on this. It's kind of like Brooklyn Nine-Nine, to where the main character, jay Perot not everybody liked him at first, but you know he's one of those characters that grew on him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, true, but man, it's like so, yeah, it's pretty funny, it's pretty funny. None of them liked Sonic, and that's probably one of the best things. Aspects to me of the whole thing is like but none of them have to like Sonic either. That's, that's the thing. Um, what I would also want to funny things I would also like to mention as well, too, is the fact of what was it? No place, no place. That version of Amy Rose also was a very interesting character to me in the fact that it's like OK, this is one where, instead of Sonic, she was a, I'm going to say knuckles, but you know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:The captain.
Speaker 2:She wanted to be his right hand man and really showing that she was down to try her best to keep things is is crazy in the aspect because that's the one. That's the version of Amy that we've gotten to know outside of the, because Amy is also quick to kind of rush into things to this is beyond this on that. But the thing about it is this is one, this is the Amy that is more planning of things, more of understanding of like hey, this is how we keep things together and shit is like this is one that's like she. She is that she kept things together. That's how she was, that's how she was supposed to be, and so we wanted to have in this version of Amy is like what if Amy was still Amy, but without being that love struck a sonic, and it's like she would just lean towards whoever is going to be in charge, but she would still help keep things together and it was like this is a version of her you could still appreciate. So I like this version as well too, and I liked how they continued on to her and the fact that she and Ruby Rose wound up being like the best friends, like straight up. It was like like I could pilot any ship. It doesn't matter what ship you give me, I could pilot any ship. And like, and then like Ruby Rose, like oh, I think I could be a little bit better. They wanted to have that friendly competition. Like they literally became friend of me to the point that they became such close friends that they started calling each other sisters at the end and, you know, throwing, kind of joined in a little bit into that one. But just them two particularly. It was like imagine meaning.
Speaker 2:I asked this question one time before. I was like imagine if you meet yourself from another universe. Do you think you would get along with yourself? Like real talk. If there wasn't that much of a difference, would you really be able to get along with yourself? I could say one of the benefits of being an introvert is the fact that you spend so much time alone with yourself that you come to terms with yourself, which is real talk. I think for me I probably turn out like how Scott Pilgrim did the end of the movie, when you went up against the version of the introversion of himself. It was like oh, you must find the final X. And then just like ah, nah, we're cool. No, it's just things for me. That's probably how it would be for me. On the aspect. I'm like I wouldn't. I think I could get along pretty well myself. That would be too much of an issue. Yeah, are you really? You're thinking about it? You're not sure.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I'm not really thinking Honestly. If I were to give an answer yeah, I can see it, because at least with me, like, let me put you like this If I had super power, if I had like a list of super powers, one of those I would definitely appreciate is having on duplication, you know, like Naruto with Shadow Clone, so working together with a version of myself from alternate universe. Well, that really depends on what my alternate version of me is built like, because just because that's me in another universe, we could have been born and raised under different circumstances, so we might have different mindsets too. So that really depends.
Speaker 1:So it doesn't necessarily guarantee that we're going to get along just because we like shared is that same DNA and blah, blah, blah. That'll be like if we just happen to have like once we pick a version of me from a universe to where we have a damn near identical set of outcomes. It's up to some small differences, differences that don't really make up much of a difference overall, but you know, like just small differences in between and then most likely it'll work out. But if it's from a universe where I grew up completely different than that really depends.
Speaker 2:This is true. This is true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why I say it really. That's why I had to really think about, honestly, when I had to like really think about Um, how can I put this? I'm sorry, ladies, you know, but it's more like I didn't have to think about it much at the moment, but this is one of those things that I have thought of at random from time to time, to where it's like what if I met a version of myself from another universe?
Speaker 1:And I've already thought of something like this, and to be honest, now that I'm being asked how would I feel then, I'll let. Oh shit, I never had someone ask me that well.
Speaker 2:I think. I think you'd be more like it's a monster, since we're still making the Dragon Balls even, I mean yeah. I fused myself to take over the world.
Speaker 1:That pretty much, yeah, yeah, you got me there.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's funny, but no, I got you though they are not figured to be different just asking itself but yeah, it's like so who can I see into that? I like how knuckles does not get along with himself. Like the version from New York City absolutely hates the one from no place. Like literally two points. Like I absolutely hate pirates. It is like damn, you're the captain of the other one. That's a very big difference, yeah. But then one is like no, I'm co-leader. Like I know what I'm doing, I got this. I'm always confident.
Speaker 1:Wait, I'm always thinking about it, think about it, it makes sense. Everything Now I think about that makes sense because you know the whole. You it was kind of an old debate, but I say it's old because nobody really makes this debate anymore. But the whole debate between pirates versus ninjas, and notice how dr D was like such a weave, where it's like, yeah, like samurai armor and all that shit, to where I'm like you know what that makes sense for him to not like pirates. So it kind of Solidifies the whole weave version of dr Eggman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's true, this is true. I know this reason specifically into is when you wind up having like, not just ninjas, ninja, samurais versus pirates is because of also the code of honor. Like ninjas, even being assassins, are still bound by code. A lot of a lot of Most pirates like there is. This is thing. The biggest thing about pirate code when most people think about that, is that you immediately Think of pirates or the Caribbean, like you immediately think about that. Oh, there's a pirate code, pirate honor. But the thing about is, in real life, there was no real code for pirates. It was for yourself, for your ship, for yourself. That was it. There was no code, there was no fairness, there was no room there. That didn't happen Even as a captain.
Speaker 2:The captain could be overthrown by his or her crew at any moment. You had to keep proving yourself all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like that makes more sense to where it's like you really spent pirate to be honorable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's like you, most people think about that. It's like oh, pirates, has some on. The pirates have honor in Pirates of the Caribbean. You think of Johnny death. That's what you're thinking. You're not thinking of real life. Let me break it to y'all. Let me break it down to y'all like this how about you take up martial arts class?
Speaker 1:you get all these bills. You become a black belt. What not? You run around Honestry. Somebody want to start some shit with you. You really expect them to like honor, how self-defense works and what I know they're gonna play dirty. They're gonna probably have weapons, it's true.
Speaker 2:By a lot of pirates are known for playing dirty. That's just what it is.
Speaker 1:You do not know martial art, turn me, it gets real out here exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be a big thing into that one. Yes, I'll still find this so funny. Knuckles the version. Knuckles, versions did not get along At all. They absolutely did not get along with whatsoever. Yeah, so that was still hilarious. It's shit. Um, I, I liked. Okay, I'm trying. I'm not gonna get in the tails yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm gonna save tails last anyway, yeah obviously because we got to talk about nine anyway. Yeah, let's talk about Rouge. Right, the different versions of Rouge. So we had one in New York City who became the leader and for her you could tell it wasn't the case of she became leader like she wanted to be. She became leader because she was just the most competent. It's not that knuckles version couldn't become leader, it's just the fact that he Didn't think shit through all the time. He was like I just need to go smash some shit. No, we just need to go smash them. It's like we can't just go smash everything like we got it. Hold on, sorry.
Speaker 1:Actually, you know what? This version of Rouge remind me of number five, from just next door to where, yeah, she could be any moment, but it's more like and not really my style. But when it comes down to it and the leader is Indisposed is like, okay, well, I can just step up to the plate temporarily. You know.
Speaker 2:Very true, very true. Yes, okay, I fully agree into that one. So, yeah, it's like she was. She was just like number five, where she didn't necessarily want to be leader, but she stepped into it on purpose in order to try to better assist, to try to better help out. Yeah and so.
Speaker 2:And then we wanted to having Rouge, a boss cage mage, who's very much opposite. She's still kind of leader, but she's leader to try to survive, but she leads out of fear. And that's the only biggest issue into is that she. She never wanted to try to discuss things out with the one, she never tried to figure things out further, she just went out of fear. And so that was that one version. That's a version of Rouge that wasn't the best leader, it wasn't really needed to be leader, but stepped up because nobody else Not because she was the best to fit the role, just nobody else would. And then we wanted to having no place version. Where is that she? She's found, she's back down. No, she's not second in command, she's not first command. This is one is just like I can fly, I can help take care of things and stuff like that. I can help get things moving along, but I'm not gonna be a main character here. I'm not needed to be a main person, so we had a version of her be able to step down and be able to us like. This is how this is the Rouge that we know is that Rouge from Green Hill?
Speaker 2:The Rouge that we all know in the Sonic series Is one that's like she's a spy and she's like that was. She's very sleek, she's able to go through things, but she's able to play her role as a background character. She is the true innocence shadow. But look, look, if you play Sonic adventure, you know for a fact that Rouge has stepped up multiple times to save shadows. Ass shadow had this with dumb shit and rules will show up and be like come on now, come on now and she's either she's out of safe shadow or she saved knuckles. It's usually how it worked out. It's always one of them to that rules is most associated with. It's either shadow or knuckles. Most cases shadow, but then, yeah, occasional moments with knuckles. So it's like this is how it worked out. So you have that chance of like this is the perfect background character, one that is there.
Speaker 2:Now we'll say one thing that kind of threw me off in season three is this and I have to mention this now. I'm talking about background characters. Who the fuck was this one random person that was in here trying to tell the captain oh yeah, we could take the power for ourselves? I don't ever remember seeing this Nick. What so ever. A season one, the season two and all the times went to no place. I remember only seeing our main characters. I remember none of the other motherfuckers there. So this niggas showing up like come on, captain, we could do this, we could get this power and shit. I'm sitting here like who is this person? I have seen other background characters in New York City. We don't see no other characters in boss cage. Like period, there's no other characters in no place, it's only New York City. All of a sudden, you trying to convince me that there was other people on the ship. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:No, I feel like that was the inconsistency right there to where I feel like it was one of those things where, okay, we can insert this here and here, and oh, oh yeah we need a throwaway kid.
Speaker 2:We need a throwaway character to show that the captain had actually grown that actually being better and was not gonna be swayed by you know what more?
Speaker 1:You know what? You know what I think it is. They need a throwaway character because it was the uncharacteristic for that main character thing, something like that.
Speaker 2:True that? That's why I was think that's the only thing I could take a guess into that. Why do we have that? But then that I'm sitting here like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had a big post like hold on because we think about it. If you, if any of the main characters said that, that wouldn't sound right coming from them.
Speaker 2:It wouldn't, because all the other ones were completely against the captain, like trying to steal stuff for himself. Yeah, this whole mindset that they're Together, so it's like the fuck. But oh, no, no one threw me off into that, I was just in here like so, yeah, it would make more sense of war, throwaway characters say that, so that way the main characters be like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we had that one was just pretty cool. I'd also want to mention I'm trying to think big. So we did see glimpses of big in some of the other worlds, but obviously was never big role, until like season three. Now, all of a sudden, you know big only has a bit of a role now. So, yes, sort of I mean robot Grim.
Speaker 1:It was funny too, because the way they were setting up to it. Okay, we got grim son and we got grim Amy. We got grim Rouge Knuckles tails Okay.
Speaker 2:Here we go.
Speaker 1:And then you're like wondering like oh, they got On Trump card out like alright, break out, grim big. And I was like Really big, like how bad that be. And then you see this big ass motherfucker.
Speaker 2:Look, also keep mine. There was no grim tails oh.
Speaker 1:Right, because you know nine okay.
Speaker 2:But that's the one thing, honestly. That's why I thought he was going to do, though I thought he was gonna make a grim version of himself, because had he did so, I'm pretty sure Sonic would have had big trouble Taking on any version of a grim tails, knowing that he's about to go up against nine. Yeah, say something else, I think would have been pretty interesting aspect. But I thought he was gonna go that route. But no, he did big. And then big, fucking shoots, giant rockets. I was like. I was like and that these are you not no small rockets, these are big in their homing rockets. That was even worse that chaos councils and they shit like oh, he ain't got nothing to worry about. Like the um, I've got which one it was, but the one that looks most like Eggman with a bigger beard and a faked in a toupee on his head. Everyone keeps picking on the back. He was sitting back. He said the ship.
Speaker 2:He said we done what we're gonna do. We're gonna sit back and chill. Big shows up. We need you to save our asses now.
Speaker 1:No, that was Mr Dr Eggman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess, looking to why.
Speaker 1:Okay, all the other names I can live with, but mr Dr Eggman just felt so like it's. Like. You know how Some doctors get pissed off when people call them mister is like it's doctor to you. I didn't go to medical school, that's. We call mister it's doctor and this dude is when, like you know what, fuck it whatever. Call me mister, call me doctor, whatever, and I'm like.
Speaker 2:Oh, you bring it back.
Speaker 1:Amen, like okay, it's one thing if it showed up on your fucking Account that on okay, you got this preface as doctor, he prefers to be called doctor. And hey, sometimes you even go into the system like um, like a little note saying like um, reminder this this customer likes to be addressed as doctor. Because when you see that little note, that's how you can tell oh, oh, I can tell you you went on like a 10 20 minute tirade.
Speaker 1:that though, choose someone out over. Call me called mister or miss, I know it's doctor. Oh my god Damn. Okay too, fuck, it ain't that deep.
Speaker 2:I did it. They are that it is that deep, but that's how it is Like. It's like I have earned this right. Okay, but this is my first time speaking to you. I had no way of knowing this information, like I'm just saying.
Speaker 1:But now I'm gonna have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's like we get these different versions, which is pretty awesome to get chance to see things. Now let's talk about nine. We're finally here.
Speaker 1:We're gonna talk about the different versions of tails.
Speaker 2:So, real quick, let's brush through the other ones real quick, and then we'll talk about nine. All right, so we have the tails version, we have wild from Boss cage, which we find out very much, so that he's actually a genius when it comes to technology. Still, like, no matter what version, tails is always a genius. That's pretty interesting little thing to have into that. But, um, yeah, I don't know. I thought that was pretty interesting because all of a sudden he gets into you see, some electronics and he's like, oh. And then all of a sudden he's like oh, I know how to work him, like instantly. Like I just know that, I just know it. I'm like it's like how.
Speaker 1:Bro, it's like caveman on scoping fire. It's like it's like you just gained that affinity right right away.
Speaker 2:Right, like almost instantly and just without effort.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I Mean that's why they call it a natural town.
Speaker 2:Pretty much but yeah, so like mangy threw me off, like into that one. But I like how mangy is like wild as hell. So it's like there we go get some wildness in there, get that.
Speaker 1:He had that Donnie Thornberry energy.
Speaker 2:He had that. He had that. I'm still Delta, but super smart merging, that's what it was. And so then we also wind up having we want to boss. I have no one from no place as well, which is very interesting itself. I don't know, I don't think he wasn't he. He had his limelight in season 3 when they wound up coming up with the idea of the bomb and then taking over the big robot big after they have finally managed to destroy and stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I like how they call this. One sales and still tails.
Speaker 2:Pretty much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not much on sales.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to be honest, yeah, no, he had his glow up then, but other than that it was just more so old Look, he's also still super smart. But definitely appreciate, definitely very much appreciates of Nine. Nine, is we finally get that? Very good? Yeah, we finally get that version of tales of what would happen if tales Did not get saved by Sonic, if tales had went through all the stuff, because they kept the same storyline that tells went through because that still tells the story.
Speaker 2:He was picked on, even in the comments. He was picked off for having two tails. I, his family, did not have, they all had one tail. He was the only one that was born with two tails and he will always get picked on in bully until Sonic showed up and saved him. That is still the normal story for this. That origin story of tails has never changed until Sonic Prime. What if tails Went through all the same shit he went through? The Sonic never showed up to save him. He had to figure that shit out himself. And we are now introduced is like that, like they took the meme that's your village, that's your villain, origin stories like the next level?
Speaker 1:No, it's like they took nine and being like Imagine, this version of tails never got saved by Sonic and he's like that one kid in on class. That's like I'm getting so tired getting picked on and then on one day you're in school and then he's looking over. He'll all come up to you be like amen, don't show up to school tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Look, look for reals, reals. You see him like you should stay home. Let's get you the only one that was nice to me. You should stay. You look a little sick. You should stay home and rest up tomorrow. Yeah, I'm definitely thinking Honestly.
Speaker 2:I find that still funny because throughout middle school, that was literally me. Like I'm not even gonna lie on today, right, don't for real, though, like I was. So middle school one of being a bit one, of being Like how most people have that big change in life in a high school. That shit was me. In middle school I went through being bullied. I went through being a bully because I had been bullied and it felt like I needed to stand my ground and be better.
Speaker 2:I was picked on for everything, picked on for being the smartest in the class, picked on because we had got a new student who wand up being smart. I'm showing that he probably was smarter than I am. Like I'm actually talking about a mutual friend of ours. Like dice game, literally the funniest thing about it he he reserves back, but he is like he's fantastic when it comes to mathematics. He hides that shit very well, but no, he is fantastic when it comes to mathematics, and so they would try to pick on me on the fact that he got. He would always score higher than I did. And I'm just in here like I was minding my own business doing my work, hey, so one got high. Someone got like two or three points higher than I did. Because they just meant because they're just better at math than I am.
Speaker 2:Okay, like this doesn't change the fact that I'm still smart as shit and y'all motherfuckers is failing. But see, like you still get picked on and all it takes is like eventually getting dealing with that shit enough, I wind up becoming a bully. That's what happened to me. So I kind of relate details in that aspect. I had to eventually stand up for myself. Nobody else would help me out. They watched it happen and was like Dan, that sucks, and then that was it, nothing else what happened. So eventually you had to stand up for yourself. I mean, when you do, it starts to change. You know what you want to be like. Are you gonna continue down this road of of Standing up for yourself, eventually becoming a bully like I did? Or you stand up for yourself is still, you know, keep it under control, like, keep a control of yourself, but sometimes you need someone there to help you out with that, like you may not always be able to know how far gone is gone, unless somebody's there to help pull you back.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry and I didn't have that but can I, since we're talking about bullying I know this a little unrelated, it's not my bullying. I Still think it's kind of wild how I'm remembering, as I'm trying to prepare for a spider-man review, and I remember this one Video that was made not too long ago about Mary Jane and how this girl in spider-man one Watch Peter get bullied and was like flash stop, like that's gonna do something Like and that that's just basically how like dude, why do you have a crush on a girl that watch?
Speaker 2:To be honest with you, that's a that, that right there. That's a good question, because that happens and you notice that happens in a lot of movies, a lot of shows. It's like, oh, I have a crush on this person, but this person never stood up for you. This is never really tried to help you out at all ever. For what reason Do you have for you catching feelings for this like you, don't, you don't, you can't.
Speaker 1:Listen, the moment I Find out that I have a crush on a girl who's dating a dude that absolutely despise me and she does nothing about it, that just let me know that she would let anybody treat me any type of way. Well, not Seriously, but point being is like I just can't imagine her giving a damn about me enough to where it's like, oh, she's cool with me being bullied by her boyfriend, but once they break up is like oh well, I apologize about my boyfriend. You know, he was being announced, hold on, that's it, and there, watched it. Yeah, and that's the crazy thing too, is like I'm really not trying to be that guy, ladies and gentlemen, I'm really trying not to be that guy about it, but I just think it's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1:I was, seems like a lot of girls tend to date at least that one asshole like at least one time. It's like it's always that one asshole. And Then they ask all surprise by the time they break up and it's like oh, you know, he was being toxic, narcissistic, blah, blah. And I'm sitting here thinking like Um.
Speaker 1:No no, not only. I Would say it was a little deeper than that to where it's more like she made. They made excuses for it up until, oh, you know, they got screwed over by it. So in other ways, like saying, oh, you thought you were gonna be different. To where it's like, oh well, you know he can be an asshole, but he can also be kind of sweet too, and that change when he starts screwing you over pretty much.
Speaker 2:But, so the problem is that they happen to a lot of people. A lot of people wound up suffering from that. Sadly, the fact is, like you always think that someone's different or you have that fix it mentality. I want to fix them mentality. That's a dangerous, dangerous mentality to have because understanding you are not better than that person, like you're not better than other people, but that's just really what it is. They're waiting to see other people's how they treat you.
Speaker 1:Okay, ladies, I know we're supposed to assign a prime review, but we're gonna have to derail for just a moment because, like yeah, I'm sorry but that's crazy, though it's like I just hate how that's so common, though really, like I, I really don't like how, like it would have been one thing. It was like okay, maybe like If, if there was like a study that shows that, okay, in the average person's life you're gonna 20% of the women that you run up into is probably gonna be into guys like that. If it was 20%, I can live with that because that's just tells me okay, you're gonna come across at least a couple of girls who teams, who tends to fall for that kind of guy or have that's where relationship dynamic and I can let that be, I can co-exist with that, because that's not the norm, that's probably not gonna be the projected norm. But when it gets so crazy to where it seemed like this happens almost all the time and it just makes you wonder why, it seems like, okay, some boys are being told, oh, you need to be good boys, you need to treat women right, and all the other shit. And then you have this other Sides where, like, I don't know where they you know how. Oh, if a boy or girl is being mean to you, that's just their way of flirting with you and all the other shit. It's like some boys and girls are being taught different things from other boys and girls to a point where it's like, okay, one camp is being lied to because this other camp is fucking killing it and you kind of wonder hold on, what I'm the hell, am I doing wrong?
Speaker 1:And then you realize that there's just something about Do that kind of comes out kind of like asshole, even though that's not the entire case. There's just something about it to where it's like the confidence, the masculinity, the dominance, and blah, blah, blah. There's something about the quality, those qualities that they like, and it just just so happens that, sadly, assholes just happen to have those qualities. In fact, there was like some People left saying like, oh, I wish there were more attractive nice guys, or you know. In other words, okay, before we go way into a rap hole because we can do a whole after our episode, I'm just gonna wrap it up and say like this Either be a bad boy with a heart of gold or be a good guy with it, because apparently we are being told different things to a point to where the truth is like somewhere in the middle. So the whole Appeal to bullies and whatnot. It's like crazed. We're like we're not supposed to glorify this shit, but at the same time those are the dudes that get the chicks, true.
Speaker 2:Well, I also put in this aspect too as well. Guys, this look after each other like it's okay. I know you want to be this loner, you be like I'm better off alone. Look, get a friend, get some friends, it's okay. You don't have to have a huge multitude of friends. Can have a small circle of people that you trust. Have somebody who's there to tell you you're going too far. Have somebody is there to tell you hey, you got to calm down. Have somebody is there to help you Along your way.
Speaker 1:No, let me be people, keep going, do whatever they want. I just let people do whatever they want, you know that's the best.
Speaker 2:I'm saying, look, because that's the biggest things, that nine had been betrayed so much in his life, that. And then, honestly, sonic was also not much better. To be honest, like that that's probably Sonic at that time was the worst friend to have, because I needed someone to rely on and Sonic runs, hits, hits straight into shit and doesn't think it through, like that was absolutely not the best Person that was needed at that moment, which isn't one of the main reasons why nine went the way he went. So it was already, like you know, considering the fact that the rebels was already nervous about nine anyway, because they're like you have this great technology but you didn't help us out like that. He's like I just do my own thing and it's like you still gonna help us out, obviously. And so it's became a thing into that.
Speaker 2:But I liked how we wanted to, having a good majority of season three pretty much showing how dangerous nine could actually like he wound up. He's like I know how to fix the paradox prism, I know how to do everything that needs to be done, I know how to put everything back in the right way it's supposed to be and I know how to harness that Uncontrollable power to his absolute maximum to do what is I needed to do? Now I will say one thing about this that season three was fantastic about bro. My god, did nine not have the most fucking boss as poses? Every single time he was right, like a way.
Speaker 1:Not only that, but sometimes he would say some shit to where shadow will be looking at him. Like you know what. I think I can have a drink with this guy.
Speaker 2:Right shadow. First the cell was like man, he betrayed us. He betrayed us. But then, like it'll be some stuff, he'd be like hold on a second.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that's. The thing is like um shadows impressive. Nine was after Nine became a miglum mania.
Speaker 2:But if you met nine.
Speaker 1:Before all that you'd be like you know what.
Speaker 2:I like this guy. But look, I'm talking about like I had tried, like Netflix is like BS about it. So you watching your phone you can't snap pictures. They automatically black it out. It won't let you. You have to like record off a different screen. There's some shit, so extra like that, damn you Netflix. But but no, for real though is like but now pop up these little poses that he hit them little one-liners. He says I'm done talking right now, let's finish this shit. This is finished. This like I'm talking about do got his arms crossed, like standing up on his little on his tails while his look why his tail just hanging got the one leg.
Speaker 2:Oh, never before I just sit here like straight up fantasy pose.
Speaker 1:So would you agree or disagree that nine was built to be the kind of character that stood on business?
Speaker 2:most definitely Keep in mind onto this, keep my own today. Even going us, even going full-fledged villain, he still was the only reason everything got fixed. Just real talk, just real talk. He was the one you think the chaos council would have been able to properly Rebuild back that, that prism.
Speaker 1:No, nah, no, you know they're gonna on, or that's it for themselves. Do they even try to like yeah, yeah, you know we'll fix it for you, sure, we'll fix it for you keep my.
Speaker 2:When he created, when he created grim sonic, literally Um, so I was in here. Come on, I've beaten one of these before nine. I helped you beat him. You're on this on your own.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:I was like my shoulders started freezing over that.
Speaker 1:I'm like oh, I'm like damn, you know what Riding tape. Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 2:You know, like this is true because, sonic, you was getting your ass handed to you by that, by that trash talk. We're like, oh really, so I was getting tossed all around New York City with that like just on a good one game cool. For real, like Sonic was like I need some help. This is a bit different. So it's like guy Brad for real, just like yeah, no, you on this on your own. Yeah, think about it this way. Even shadow was getting his behind handed to him by grim sonic.
Speaker 1:Mmm.
Speaker 2:This is real talk.
Speaker 1:To be fair, though. To be fair, if you kind of look, look at him from the side, kind of like shadow too.
Speaker 2:Oh, you mean, like I saw an accident, he's a. He said how about you just say is just a damn, like, just say he's a hedgehog, yeah, about hedgehog, there you go, boom Anyway. But no, it's real though. Like, honestly, hold on hold on a second. But I will say, like it definitely did the story kind of felt it felt a bit rushed, but it's also one of those cases where, like, obviously is that point of nine, literally like you said, he'd be staying on business.
Speaker 2:Nine, quick nine could not find Sonic at first, immediately found him and started fucking shit up Immediately. It was like, okay, they managed to get the barrier up. He was mad about it and said I fine, I'm gonna drag you out. It wasn't no thought. I was like I have to think about how I'm gonna drag him out. He said I find him, you, behind that barrier, but not everyone's in there. You left some friends behind. I know you're gonna want to save him, so I'm about to go get there and immediately, immediately, went to go after the people.
Speaker 2:In no place. I can just straight up, no questions asked. He was on business. This dude was like I fine, I got a backup. I got a backup for my backup, and then guess what happened. Everybody wound up coming through. He was prepared. He even was prepared for, in case that, the fact that that that nine wound up having this. I am God, pose. You know that pose. I'm talking about the arms straight up to the side, palms, facing up as he was taking all that energy from the prism and just flying through the air and I'm just like I Will destroy you all and in his tails, just Automatically create his entire army from the Alphas. Can we talk about that, the Alphas?
Speaker 2:I'm sitting here like everyone's having trouble with these betas. They're like the only way to do is to take down the Alphas. The Alphas y'all had to jujutsu kaisen. Jump them, motherfuckers, in order to take that. There was not a single alpha that was taken out by one.
Speaker 1:Hold on you know how they say with on making a copy of a copy, that the copy of a copy is gonna be weaker than the original copy. Yeah, so that's what I feel like with the Alphas is like oh no, no, no, you thought you were gonna uh, you thought there was gonna be a breeze, you thought it was gonna be a cake. What? No, no, no, no, the difficulty setting has just been turned up. It just jumped up a notch, yeah.
Speaker 2:I could feel that. But it's gonna be one of those cases of like just Wow, but like for real on the Alphas. They had to be jumped like on some realness, they had to be jumped in or it should be able to be taken out like that's just how it was. Like the Alphas was crazy Hell. Even the damn bird one the bird was literally to like got damaged on the side, had one eye, was still going around messing people up like it was nothing. I was like Hold on.
Speaker 1:Now this is go to show that nine Brilliant Exceed all the chaos council because, remember, you just said you just said that with the limited knowledge that the chaos council had on Sonic, that they built chaos on it based on what they know, but nine took that and improved on it tremendously, and even as good when as far as making copies of the others and they were fucking shit up to, I'm like bro.
Speaker 2:Do you know the reason? You know the reason that nine didn't win?
Speaker 1:Oh, that's his own fault?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's who. It was his own fault, his own plot armor that he made for himself.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Think about it. What was the reason that, like nine came close to killing Sonic multiple times? Like not just talking about being down, talking about straight up killing him? Multiple Moments of opportunity yeah, do you know why they always failed? What was on his greatest weapon throughout the entire series?
Speaker 1:The power of friendship.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, his adaptable gloves, his adaptable gloves. He's a bootie, by the way, it's not true. You're not wrong on that. The fucking brand. I have friends that back me up. You said I have. I'm by myself, but I have friends. Yeah, okay, no bullshit that the friends got the asses kicked. What's a Sonic was the adaptable gloves and boots, that Nine made him Nine instead of himself, of like ah, I should have never made a simple Never made a stupid, stupid you.
Speaker 2:Cause the thing about it is is that the grip like, literally, like you said, plot armor. Yeah, the plot armor of gloves and boots. That's really what it was. It's Nine created that plot armor for Sonic. Sonic almost drowned in no place. What happened? Oh, the boots are jet boots here in this world. Oh, my gosh, Really. It said Nine is about to stab. Is about to stab Sonic, or about to hit him with this ultra prison beam? Oh wait, the gloves and boots.
Speaker 1:I can make prisms to you. I'm like are you fucking serious?
Speaker 2:Like why don't you even give you those? Yeah, just literally that moment. He's like I literally gave you. I want you to understand. I gave you that plot armor.
Speaker 1:Well, hold on hold on hold on.
Speaker 1:Here's my thing, though. I think with Nine it was like, okay, I'm going to help you out, sonic, I'm going to help you try to fix all this shit. And then Nine had this revelation I wait a minute Like why am I doing all this for you again? I mean, I forgot what it was, but it was like, oh right, because he was yelling at Sonic, at how, oh, never once have you ever thought about how I feel about all this shit? And blah, blah, blah. You just assume that I'm like your buddy from Green Hill. But no, I'm Nine, I'm not Tails, that's the whole thing. It's like he was just felt so offended by Sonic pretentiousness that he just decided to turn on Sonic. You know what I'm going to take all this shit on for myself.
Speaker 2:I'm kind of upset that Professor Tuck isn't on here right now, because I'm about to make this quick reference onto this. This is not exactly what Peter Quill went through with Gamora so badly wanted the past Gamora that was brought to the future to be the Gamora that he knew.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is fucking crazy because, yeah, like they're the same person, but they're not really the same person though. So it's like you need to get over the fact that this is like same face, different build, so you're going to have to like accept the fact that this is a totally different personality and background on this character. So that was, on Sonic 4, just assuming that Nye would go along with everything when he was just so used to Tails just being down for whatever you know Screw.
Speaker 2:Ah, but no, Obviously Nye was just that character. Nye was just that person. That was just how it was. It felt like he was built to be the villain, like it kind of was hinted at that he was probably going to be the villain later. That's just really what it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah because, we think about it and most of these games like I want to say Kingdom Hearts, but not exactly Kingdom Hearts, because usually like halfway in you get a better idea of who the main villain is going to be. But, and usually in Sonic games like, some way or another the villain is going to make themselves, the big villain is going to make themselves known very early, but you won't know that they're the villain till it's already too late. Like, for instance, let's just say Sonic Frontiers Sage. You don't know what the deal is with this girl until later on you find out. Oh, like she's working with Eggman, so like she's going to be like one of the main villains of this game. So like, okay, okay. And then you have like Infinite, the Jackal and some other characters where it's like they'll show up really early, but it's like kind of under mysterious circumstances.
Speaker 2:And I don't even say as much as into that one for me. I would go back to that Kingdom Heart reference, because as soon as you said it my brain immediately went to Riku from Kingdom Hearts One. Though you give an amen on there, right?
Speaker 2:Like he's a friend and every time you see him he's like. It seemed like he's trying to be an ally, but because it's not going the way he thinks it should go, he winds up dipping into the dark side. And then, boom, he became dark, interested that you had to go up against. And it wasn't no simple fight Like real talk. I just saw this.
Speaker 2:Actually, they were just making a meme about this on Instagram a couple of days ago, back when you couldn't skip cutscenes, and so many people talk about the fact that they remember that Anson Riku dialogue when he was at the top of fucking Holobastion, because so many people died. You died so many times. You couldn't skip the cutscene. So if you really wanted, if you was truly dedicated, you had to go back and watch that cutscene so many times. I want you to understand, literally. I'm hearing his voice in my head, the Anson Riku, like the double voice that they did, the robotic double voice. I'm hearing it in my head right now. Kyrie rests within you, kyrie, kyrie's inside me. I want you to understand. I have heard that Damn cutscene so many damn times. It was torturous, kid, but I was dedicated.
Speaker 2:But like no, for reals though, like it's just one of those things like they're your friend, they're there to help you out, but then things don't go the way they think it should and it's usually the main character's fault. In all honesty, it really was Definitely Soar's fault that Riku continued, kept going into the dark side path. It was mostly Riku's fault, but it was definitely Soar's fault. But anyway, that's the story for another time. It's just one of those things of like bruh, and then you wound up having this big epic battle where your friend is significantly more powerful than you think they should be, because you again underestimated how your friend actually is. And it's like had you really just listened and taught, things would have gotten better, but you didn't, and so things just did not progress the way they needed to go, just still. It's like had Sonic really listened to Tails, not Tails listened to Nine and put be honest on it Nine? He's like I am not Tails, I am Nine and I'm like okay.
Speaker 1:I mean, we think about it as like I felt like the whole series is supposed to be this parallel to the same mistake he made to shatter in the paradox in the first place, to where it's like that's just. Sonic's problem, Like he just don't listen, so he's like he's repeating the same mistake until he finally learned the lesson.
Speaker 2:It wasn't until, like he literally seemed like he watched people die, Like it wasn't until he saw, like sales and mangy, like when everyone's thought that oh, they died which I'm not stupid, I knew damn well they didn't die. So I'm like there's been plenty of opportunities that other characters would have died in the show, but this show does not have that rating on Netflix. So, but I think I can't go by Netflix ratings. Netflix will say something is TV Y7. And me and my wife are watching, but like this is not TV Y7., this is most definitely 14 at least. Cause motherfuckers that died violently in this show, like the hell. So Netflix ratings is not accurate whatsoever, by the way.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm thinking. I don't know what I think about it. I'm imagining that one scene between Thanos and young Gamora and it was like did he do it? Yes, what did it cost you? Everything.
Speaker 2:Everything. Yeah, that's kind of how it was. It's like it took him watching a version, like just watching two versions what he believed to be two versions of his best friend die For him to understand. I have to put an end to this shit Like this is. This is what it really meant, this is what everyone's been trying to tell me. I'm like, oh, I can always save everybody, but no, remember like Sonic had that moment he said I wasn't fast enough. It was like, no matter what, even if you're the, no matter how fast you are, you can't save everybody, and it's a hard thing to realize. So it's like shit.
Speaker 1:On that note, can I ask you this How'd you felt about the ending? Because it's like okay, everything's back to normal. But you, you know those characters and like, okay, did the worlds like merge together?
Speaker 2:Like what happened to it. So this Chatterverse still existed, because real talk into this. Once the once the paradox prism gots the the paradox energy from Sonic and was finally able to be fully made complete, it immediately teleported back home again, like instantly teleported right back to where it was supposed to be at, and it wound up reversing time, which is already a thing itself that we're not going to go into. But when it teleported back, if things were made correctly and the prism energy went back, real talk is that Nye's calculations should have been wrong and in actuality, once everything got put back, everything was pieced back together and it was should have been. Like I went like almost as if, like everything never happened, type of thing, and somehow, like you know, sonic and Shadow having been through that adventure, being protected, having experienced that, nobody else would remember it, nobody else would even have any thoughts in that aspect, but those two would, and you would kind of go back into it.
Speaker 2:But keep in mind, onto this, what happened the paradox prism teleported back home, right, but Sonic and Shadow were still there and everybody else was still there. Their worlds was completely destroyed, but they were still there in the small little remits of the Grimm that was left. Now all the other worlds wound up seeing like they got pieced back together again and it said they were gonna take people back home and stuff. But those worlds were still present, which means that the Shatterverse actually already existed. But it was, you could say they were altered because of the fact that Sonic shattered it. By Sonic shattering it, he never existed in those worlds.
Speaker 2:Those are why they called it the paradox prism, because it is.
Speaker 2:It's a paradox effect. So once Shadow and Sonic went back to Green Hill, to their world, they wound up teleporting. We could say that they teleported out of the paradox prism. Those other worlds still exist in the paradox prism, but those worlds should be fixed. They should be fixed to where there should actually now be a version of Shadow and a version of Sonic in there and the Chaos Council should be fully disbanded and there should be different versions of Robotnik in every single one of those worlds, in their proper place, as they should be. That would fit alongside with the paradox effect that in actuality these worlds do exist and the paradox prism is just a linking point between these worlds. So get what I mean. So the ending into it should satisfy enough to where there should not be anything further. It's been fixed.
Speaker 2:And as long as that prism doesn't get shattered again, would Shadow make sure of that? Well, as far as we know, shadow made sure of it. We don't know, we went to it. So as long as nobody else manages to get ahold of that prism and shatters it, or whatever the case may be, we won't have to worry about it, no more, mm-hmm. So, but yeah, it's one of those things in the fact because Shadow wound up also taking the prism. That in itself would also be a there's no reason that we're like, oh, we managed to visit these other worlds, or anything like that. That shouldn't happen because he moved the prism. He moved that beacon, that teleport gate somewhere else. There should be no way for them to be able to get there Now. Where he moved it to would make a big difference into that, as if they decided to continue on. But I feel like we kind of got the same thing we got with Scott Pilgrim, whereas there's no need that. There's no need for another season. I think we're satisfied with what we have right now. Right.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, with the Looming Threat and they were like all right gang back at it again and I thought something else was gonna pop up. But then again it was like one of those things to where it's not exactly like, oh, something's gonna happen, that's gonna lead to season four, but more like back to the status quo per se.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like a cliffhanger to a calm ending, like we don't need anything further. There we go, we're just done, cause the thing about it is that Scott Pilgrim season two could wind up also have been a thing of like Scott never changed the future.
Speaker 1:It'll be like okay.
Speaker 2:Like in the gallery he still wanted to, supposedly goes through everything that he went through. The future never changed type of shit, unless it's a different timeline. But there's no need for that. Just keep the theory and just move.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say, oh yeah, this remind me of the first Incredibles movie, to where, okay, the Underminer shows up at the end and if there wasn't a sequel then well, I, that would be. That sucks. But I mean, I'm kind of going we did get a sequel anyways. But it's more like one of those things to where you're thinking like, oh, the Underminer's showing up, if they're gonna be a sequel leading up to you know whatever, and then it's like, nah, just it could just been left off. Like that Same thing with all the amazing Spider-Man 2, where he was fighting Rhino and they just pretty much left off at that. It's like, really, it's just a matter of moments where yep, back to the status quo and go home shows up.
Speaker 2:Pretty much kind of thing. So yeah, I think it was just kind of one of those endings. So if I think about it in that aspect, it seems a little bit more calm into that, into that aspect of like okay, we don't need to push further into it. We said we need to be said. Our main character has gone through his dynamic change. Everybody else finally gets what they need a Sonic that actually is gonna slow down and listen a little bit more. Shadow got his pills of being able to beat Sonic around the place.
Speaker 2:That flashback of season two is hilarious, when the fact that Shadow was just like beating Sonic all over the place, like you need to listen, you causing this shit. Now, first off because I know we talked about it briefly Shadow was whooping his ass and it was like Shadow, can you stop and listen for a moment? Like God damn bro, you just like Sonic, this is all your fault. And then just started beating his ass left and right across Green Hill and then knocked him unconscious, which made Sonic arrive late and everybody's like dang, what's keeping Sonic? And everybody blamed Sonic for that. But Sonic never really said like no, for some weird reason. Shadow was just whooping my ass today.
Speaker 1:It's almost like he has too much pride to admit that.
Speaker 2:yeah, that's why I'm late is because my friend was kicking my ass, so Look the funniest thing that you're saying that he has too much pride and then my friend's kicking my ass. I'm not gonna spoil it, but people who have not been caught up on Dragon Ball Super. But.
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Speaker 1:But anyway, he's like the way he brought it up, that it was like the team four star types.
Speaker 2:That's why I like Right For reals, but no, it's like. But yeah, it's like. Shadow was just beating it as was not listening for nothing, and so shadow got what he wanted. You know, he got a chance to beat Sonic up a little bit. That's just what shadow likes to do. Sonic's the cause of this. I'm gonna go. What's the matter? It's like you're not even fighting the right person yet. Don't make a difference. You're the one that caused this. I'm not the one that's continuing the problem. I'm trying to fix the problem, but you should never cause the problem. So what? In your way?
Speaker 1:It was like blind rage and whatnot and also it kind of felt like shadow was kind of slow baking his explanations to where he was trying to explain to Sonic what was going on, but it just kind of felt like he was dragging out way too long.
Speaker 2:I think shadow also had no idea what was going on. When you really think about it, because shadow can't go into, could not go into the other worlds. Not only he was just stuck.
Speaker 1:No, like he was trying to figure that shit out. But when you're trying to explain to Sonic, I felt like he was like come with me, follow me, blah, blah, I don't know. Like I don't know, I guess the pacing of it all just kind of felt a little too slow for me.
Speaker 2:But I think that was also a big point into it too is because Sonic kept complaining about he's taking so long to explain shit. The shadow is that person that I shadow, but shadows that person I could show you better than I could explain it to you. And Sonic is like quickly, just give it to me, just just tell me the gist of it and I'll figure it out from there. And shadows like no, because that's not how we figure this shit out. You need to see what's happening, you need to understand what's happening. We need to actually think about this so we can make a good, make, a good plan together.
Speaker 2:Like shadow can run, shadow can move just as fast as Sonic can, but he can slow down and think shit through, versus this version of Sonic cannot. So I think that was a purposeful plot point, but I do understanding that. Yeah, it did kind of make the fill out, the pacing, like it almost felt like it felt like there was a point to it. But still, the way it went about it, it just felt like it dragged the episodes along and that's saying something to say that these are not like 12 episode seasons, these are like six to eight episodes.
Speaker 1:Well, that's a funny thing, because I saw that article that you shared how it was supposed to have 24 episodes and I'm like we didn't even get that. It was like eight episodes and season one and two, and then seven episodes and season three, but the finale was an hour long.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they combined the last two, so we only want to get in 23 episodes per se, so instead of 24, they just wanted to like combining the last two episodes, so yeah.
Speaker 1:Uh, you know what, since we're running low on Tom, we'll just go ahead and call it a day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm pretty good on to that one. Like I know I was excited. I just really want to get a chance to talk about some key points into it, but also really just really wanted to highlight the fact that they just straight up gave nine these absolute I am God poses and I'm like the fuck man. I was like he's a better villain than the chaos council. Like you know, you expect to use like oh, the chaos council is going to be the bad guys in the end. Like this with the job.
Speaker 1:No listen, listen, like at this point I'm just convinced that after the whole, after the golden age of Sonic, I felt like Eggman's purpose is to be like that, secondary villains, where, yeah, he could be a threat, but he's not supposed to be the main focus. He he's you stop being the main focus for a while now.
Speaker 2:So that's unless you're talking about the movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, unless you talk about the movies, and that's one thing. But then again the third movie coming. You're like wondering OK, is he going to be the main threat again, or is somebody else going to fill in those shoes?
Speaker 2:So I mean, we already know shadows are going to be in it. That's already been confirmed. It's got people hyped up and that's going to keep that hype for me. They're going to be. People going to be hyped up enough for that forever. They're just going to be like, yeah, I'm going to be hyped for this. Whenever they drop the drill, they're probably going to drop the trailer. I think it's supposed to be, if not later this year than next year. So by that point, people are still not going to forget oh yeah, shadows will be in this movie.
Speaker 1:It got to be like at least around the summertime, or maybe during the Super Bowl, you know, like that's on February 11th. So maybe we get a trailer then, because it's supposed to come out around Christmas time this year.
Speaker 2:So yeah, December 20th.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it should be like either no later than summer, but I would say, look out for that Super Bowl trailer, because usually they like to sneak in the shit that we actually want to see, like all this shit, like they drop this trailer during the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:Yeah, true, but unless we're going to cut wind of scene. Some people are really hopeful that it's not just going to be shadow, but maybe silver might wind up showing up too. But I don't know. We're going to see what happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's just kind of things like if we're going to metal song.
Speaker 2:metal song shows up. That would be, yeah, that that would be it. Right there, they brought metal song in the ditch. Oh yeah, bro, we we game for this. Straight up game for this one.
Speaker 1:Right, and the best part is it could be like one. Oh well, you know what? I'm just gonna save that for another time because we are running low on time. But with that being said, like I said in the beginning, hopefully we will have Playboy on for his segment. But in case things come up, you know the drill. Ladies and gentlemen, follow us on social media Facebook, twitter, instagram. We got our individual tech talks going on. You know, jet Blackestream, you're going by Kuro Gassu on Tiktok, right?
Speaker 2:It took my good name, bro. I didn't have a choice, yeah.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:It's something, it's something.
Speaker 1:Um, and yeah, keep in mind that we got the Cat Williams interview. We're going to discuss that on the Patreon. So that's probably going to be a Patreon exclusive, depending on how deep we go into that discussion, because if you get like too deep, but almost like we did on this review, yeah, it's going to have to be a Patreon exclusive because we got reviewed the Juicy Kaisen Young Justice. We're going to try to get the code gear. It's at some point we got. We're going to start the Dragon Ball GT review this month. We got some things in the works, but you know how it is until the next episode. So just stay nerdy and remember that great things are coming. We are zoning out, so take it easy.