The Zealots of Nerd Entertainment continues their review on the MCU, as JetBlackXtreme teams up with Kokugatsu, Professor Tuck and Mira Jane and Kokugatsu to rank the titles of the Phase 4! From the adorable "I Am Groot" to the multiverse-mingling antics of "Loki," we're peeling back the layers of these narratives to reveal what truly makes them tick. Grab your shield, hammer, or cloak of levitation and prepare for a deep dive into character arcs, storytelling brilliance, and the controversies that have stirred the pot among fervent fans.
This episode isn't just about rankings; it's a critical look at how each Marvel offering shapes the ever-expanding canvas of this cinematic behemoth. We're tackling the highs and lows, from Florence Pugh's scene-stealing performance in "Black Widow" to the courtroom drama critiques in "She-Hulk." Plus, we don't hold back on addressing how superhero TV shows like "WandaVision" and "Moon Knight" have redefined our expectations. We’ll share our unfiltered thoughts on cultural representation, fan service, and why some creative choices sparked applause while others ignited debate.
As we wrap up this heroic episode, we're not just reflecting on what's been; we're gazing into the crystal ball of Marvel's future. With the charm of Evan Peters' Quicksilver and the awe-inspiring action of "Spider-Man: No Way Home," we highlight the magic of getting fan service right. Join us as we celebrate the complexities and joys of these tales that continue to captivate us, carve out new narratives, and challenge the status quo of superhero sagas!
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The Zealots of Nerd Entertainment continues their review on the MCU, as JetBlackXtreme teams up with Kokugatsu, Professor Tuck and Mira Jane and Kokugatsu to rank the titles of the Phase 4! From the adorable "I Am Groot" to the multiverse-mingling antics of "Loki," we're peeling back the layers of these narratives to reveal what truly makes them tick. Grab your shield, hammer, or cloak of levitation and prepare for a deep dive into character arcs, storytelling brilliance, and the controversies that have stirred the pot among fervent fans.
This episode isn't just about rankings; it's a critical look at how each Marvel offering shapes the ever-expanding canvas of this cinematic behemoth. We're tackling the highs and lows, from Florence Pugh's scene-stealing performance in "Black Widow" to the courtroom drama critiques in "She-Hulk." Plus, we don't hold back on addressing how superhero TV shows like "WandaVision" and "Moon Knight" have redefined our expectations. We’ll share our unfiltered thoughts on cultural representation, fan service, and why some creative choices sparked applause while others ignited debate.
As we wrap up this heroic episode, we're not just reflecting on what's been; we're gazing into the crystal ball of Marvel's future. With the charm of Evan Peters' Quicksilver and the awe-inspiring action of "Spider-Man: No Way Home," we highlight the magic of getting fan service right. Join us as we celebrate the complexities and joys of these tales that continue to captivate us, carve out new narratives, and challenge the status quo of superhero sagas!
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Alright, nerds, it's time for another episode of the zone podcast. I know it's been a while since we've been talking about MCU stuff, so we're gonna continue the Marvel Cinematic Universe Extreme Review with Phase 4 and then, as far as everything that happened in Phase 5, we're gonna do individual reviews on those first and that's gonna be later on throughout the year, and once phase 5 is completed then we'll just do a phase 5 recap. That we're doing today. Another thing we're gonna do something a little different. We're going in ranked order rather than chronological. So we're gonna talk about the entries that we find the weakest link to the strongest link. And we're also gonna do one more thing a little bit differently we're gonna do a segmented style.
Speaker 1:So today I have Kokugatsu and Mirajane on. Hopefully we'll have Professor Tuck and Talos Gundam on Saitama Smash and Saitama Black, maybe Mad King, joseph and Barz at Tarkov if they're interested. But for now, kokugatsu, mirajane, let's zone in on it. Weakest link I want to say is I am Groove, because I honestly completely forgot this thing was even a thing, and apparently it's like 5-6 minute episodes, like 2 seasons. It's like basically what happened with Groove between the events of Guardians, volume 1 and Volume 2. And he had like these little cute adventures and I'm assuming that there's like some significant event happened at the end where it's like okay, you had to watch Iron Roof for this to make sense later on in the mostly birdsock and I'm like okay, I guess, but I just didn't care enough to check it out, but hey, y'all watch that.
Speaker 3:I actually did it. What you there? What you thought of that Mirajane Like, since you've seen it, what did you think about it?
Speaker 2:Honestly honestly, it's kind of forgettable.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Okay, see, that's the thing, that's exactly what I thought with this thing, to where I'm like okay, it's kind of adorable, but I was ranking it from most forgettable to most significant with this list, and I am Drew is honestly the most forgettable part about this, if I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you, but I'll give it points for being cute.
Speaker 3:I can't put it as my lowest into that so I haven't seen it, mostly because I don't have Disney Plus, but I have like read into it and stuff.
Speaker 1:And I'm gonna be honest, it's only there by default, though it's the lowest by default.
Speaker 3:I can get that. I'll put it in this aspect. Y'all remember the movie Lion King, one and a half.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Specifically the one of the story with Timon and Pumba.
Speaker 3:It was the most retelling of Lion King. But from their side of stuff I feel like I'm group was just this one that was just like, hey, this is what happened with group during this little time period. This is his telling of the story. So I'm like I think of it in more than that aspect, like Lion King one and this is just kind of a adorable comedic fit, like feel Would you say this is like targeted Again, I haven't actually seen it, but just mostly rereading into it. Mirajane would you say this was like targeted towards the cutesy audience and for like little kids more than it was before adults.
Speaker 2:Not even just that Targeted towards those girls, those people who absolutely loved the little mini figures of I am Groot. Could you remember him sprouting and being in that little bitty pot that he was in? And now he's walking, so yeah he's probably sprouting towards the audience, absolutely freaking, adorable, absolutely cute.
Speaker 2:And I mean I think the most memorable episode for me was when he was dancing with a virtual spectral of himself, like he learns how to do the cha-cha, he learns how to do the can-can, like. And that was so cute. But it was most memorable because towards the end of it, groot's developing his own little personality. He's, by the end of it, he's like I'm tired of fucking dealing with you, so I'm gonna push you out. I'm going to literally put you out into the humor space because I don't want to do this anymore. Like I'm tired. So we get to see that. In that part I was like, yeah, okay, I'm sold. This is the most memorable episode because we know Groot's not and later on I think it kind of hints at like how he's going to be as a teenager. Right, because we see him moody. Later we see him like these adults. Why are they telling me what to do? How dare they?
Speaker 3:Oh, you mean the fact that how many times he was cussing in that very high. I still find it the funniest thing in the fact that Groot's race apparently speaks in such a highly advanced dialect that only they in select few people can understand what it is that they're saying. So to the common people it just sounds like I am Groot, but people know what he's saying because they have now been like blessed of some shit.
Speaker 1:Listen. You know what I like about Groot. He reminds me of Snissel for him, Chowder.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like all Snissel says is rada rada. But it's like, in a way I understand it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's the thing about it. How may, mary Jane, you don't speak the truth.
Speaker 4:I know y'all see my name. I know y'all see my name.
Speaker 3:This man changed his name again.
Speaker 2:Right, that's how he's stepping in today.
Speaker 4:Intergalactably known.
Speaker 3:You better be happy. Talos is not on here.
Speaker 4:I got the all the tricks Not everybody knows. I was hoping he was on.
Speaker 3:You so lucky, I think he's doing his D&D campaign. He's got one of his other projects he's doing.
Speaker 4:Not just the world, the galaxy Craig.
Speaker 2:I can't with you, top fight security.
Speaker 3:You know what. You know what I am Groot I am.
Speaker 2:Groot Rada rada.
Speaker 4:Across all dimensions Across all the Marvelverse.
Speaker 3:Hold on so Tuck. What we at right now is talking about I am Groot and literally I was mentioning about the fact how, with his race of people, that he's speaking in such an advanced and higher dialect that to the normal people he's only saying I am Groot. But those who understand know what he's saying and they can actually understand what he's actually saying and stuff Advanced Literally there, because there's such a higher intelligence, because there's so in to advance that most people don't, that most of the galaxy has no idea what they're saying. They're only hearing I am Groot. But those who actually know the language or know what is what they're saying can actually understand everything that they're saying. So I am Groot, I am Groot.
Speaker 4:So we have a known list of people that know what he's saying besides like Rocket.
Speaker 1:Peter.
Speaker 4:Peter Quill knows Peter do not count, and you know that.
Speaker 1:No, but listen, I had to. I know, I know I was going to go off the list. Oh damn, I'm going to have to mention Peter Quill.
Speaker 2:I know how you feel about this dude. We not, you not going to get on my boy, leave him alone, look look, look, save it for the court, save it for the court.
Speaker 3:You already got Mojo Jojo tonight.
Speaker 1:I was going to get on him later.
Speaker 3:I was going to get on. He will have his trial. I know you seen that video too. Yeah, say nothing.
Speaker 4:I know you seen it. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1:By the way, y'all subscribe to Professor Tuck on Tiktok. His videos are funny and shit.
Speaker 3:No, it's not Anyway, but as far as the list, yes, Peter Quill is this one. Gamora now understands. Drax does understand as well too. At first he didn't, but over time, like everyone who's been, if you're around group long enough, you start to develop and understand his language. So by Guardians of the Galaxy three which I know this is not part of phase four of them, just mentioning it by Guardians of the Galaxy three most everybody who has joined the guardians or as part of their, was part of their group has now understands what he's saying. They can now speak his language.
Speaker 4:So if they now understand what he's saying and speaking their language do, that inherently enhances their knowledge, so they get smarter in the sense.
Speaker 3:Apparently it allows them to understand about Celestials as well, because Celestials automatically understand what Groot is saying instantly. They know that he's speaking in a very in a way.
Speaker 1:In a way I kind of like how this dynamic kind of have like this DND inspiration, because you know how in DND you have to learn these different languages and sometimes you can pick up languages from these many adventures and dealing with certain creatures. So it's kind of that which, where once you have a certain race in your party and that's like saying, you have a race that can speak a language that you're not related with and you hang around no long enough and eventually you pick that up by pro, true, true.
Speaker 3:That's what like right now, like I'm trying to get back in the relearning Spanish. I'm learning Joduba from Nigeria and stuff e-boy as well too. So I'm trying to learn like a bunch of different things as well too. It helps out in like better understanding different cultures, but it's also funny as well too, because imagine being cussed out and I am Groot.
Speaker 4:Well, I think that happened in the second. I am Groot, I am Groot, I am Groot you didn't even have to say that.
Speaker 3:You know, remember. He was literally sitting here playing the game and they're like Groot, we need you to do this. He's like I am Groot and they're like oh, groot, what foul mouth. How could you say?
Speaker 2:that. I think it's funny that the person you would think would most likely be able to understand him would be Gamora, but she's one of the few people who can't Actually what she understands.
Speaker 1:Well, hold on.
Speaker 3:Can we be?
Speaker 1:fair? Canonically that's not fair because the original Gamora died and the oh yeah, this is not around.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, original Gamora based on-. And why did she die, hey, listen listen, hey, save that for phase five, because there's a what is scenario about that. There's already a what if? Episode about that. So save that energy tub, you right?
Speaker 1:And listen, we're supposed to keep it moving anyways, like we tried to spend no more than like 10, 15 minutes on each of these things.
Speaker 3:It's a recap remember. Okay, you're right, phase four. Stick it on phase four into that one. But yes, is the fact that Gamora canonically in the comics, and old Gamora who died, did understand group. There we go, let's move on. All right, I'm assuming the next one is She-Hulk, to be honest with you, yeah. Listen.
Speaker 4:So is She-Hulk canon.
Speaker 3:Not anymore. No, it was canon. It was, but there was so much negative feedback that literally Marvel and Disney agreed to remove that From MCU canon.
Speaker 1:You can you can still watch it, but it's not canon.
Speaker 4:Man, I thought Megastarion was canon now.
Speaker 2:We're not doing this. We're not doing this.
Speaker 4:We're not doing this. Do the summary. Do the summary.
Speaker 2:Let's do the summary All right, she-hulk man.
Speaker 1:Listen, it's stupefying how this show was being antagonistic to its own fan base, because you have shit like okay, see, first of all, like I was talking to Mirajane the other day about She-Hulk Funny enough, I was talking about how, hey yo, I don't like how in MCU she don't care for being a hero but she ends up getting treated like she's an Avenger. But she didn't even earn that shit yet. And then in the comics she actually wanted to be a hero and she became one. So in the comics that's a whole another.
Speaker 3:She-Hulk. We not talking about comic She-Hulk, that's a whole more campaign.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, but I'm just saying like it's hard to like this words in a She-Hulk, like nothing gets the actresses. I think they were okay. They were terrible. No, no, no, I'm not giving you the right words.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not giving them a pass. I'm not doing this.
Speaker 3:We don't do that here. Anyway, come on, get this preaching girl, preach it.
Speaker 4:Not everybody.
Speaker 2:Who Tell me who wasn't terrible?
Speaker 4:Made the stallion Talking about intergalactically? No, she was absolutely horrible.
Speaker 2:Her twerking wasn't even good. Who? Yeah, it was. No, it was not. Why. Why do we have that put into a show that is supposed to be about a lawyer defending superheroes from crimes they may or may not have committed? Why do we have that variable performing the Walker Shane? Why? Why was that into a scene?
Speaker 3:Shane, I'm going to be honest with you. My brain's still on the whole twerk situation on itself.
Speaker 1:I'm like wait a second Now here's my thing with the twerking session. I would have been cool with it if it was just that side angle. Then I was like okay, fine. But then when we had to get that close up of that shit, I'm like why, why, please stop it. Like too much.
Speaker 2:Intergalactically? No, why do we need to know she helps us?
Speaker 4:It's just known.
Speaker 2:No, we don't need to be that known. That's not what I want to know her for. Honestly, it felt truly embarrassing. Our shit was absolutely embarrassing. She's holding the place.
Speaker 4:It's for the fans. It's for the fans. The place is what fans. The same anime fans that like the beach episode on every season of anime.
Speaker 2:It's true, I'm going to be honest with you. We all know that bitch is useless. We all know that bitch is useless. We all know she's fucking useless. So what does that make her? She's not supposed to be useless.
Speaker 4:I'm going to hand it to you.
Speaker 1:She's smart, so that's all you can. Is she a lawyer?
Speaker 2:She's smart.
Speaker 4:That's all you know. She's also intergalactically known oh my God Not even.
Speaker 3:She's really not.
Speaker 4:After that one court clean.
Speaker 1:I mean, I want to say intergalactically.
Speaker 4:Hey, you know, somebody reported this Sunday. Sunday. I don't, I'm the U, you know.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm going to. Hold on, I got two main things. I got two main rights, aside from she hopes herself, okay, two main rights. First of all, the way they did titanium. They kind of listen, listen, listen In the I'm sorry I'm going to have to do this, I'm going to have to be this guy. Titanium was set up by Dr Dune to be like this rival to she hold now, listen, I'm not, that's how it is in the comments, but just to keep it to the MCU.
Speaker 1:The way they were going with titanium. They made it sound like, oh, she's working with somebody because she was talking about, oh well, it's not fair that you get all this power, and why not me? And blah, blah, blah. And then I'm saying here and like wait, hold on who you been talking to. And I'm thinking like wait, a minute, is this, is this a wing towards Dr Dune? But nope, it doesn't even go there. It's like they just pretty much threw that whole storyline out the window with that. The wedding scene was what pissed me off, because it was like they were getting somewhere with her character and then basically they just wrote off as like some sort of Paris Hilton, like clone boy. She was an influencer.
Speaker 2:She's an influencer clone, yeah, and that's just the thing I'm like.
Speaker 1:Ah, like. Even when she first introduced, she burst into Jen's court case and started a fight out of nowhere. Why? Now that's just titanium. The second thing is really, is that hypocrisy in the fucking fourth episode where she was dating some dudes and notice how she didn't get a whole lot of matches when she was in her human form and she was her whole point was she wanted people to love her for her, not for her she hold form, but she was getting dates with the she hold form. Then she finally hook up with his handsome doctor dude. She handled some bullshit with the magician why not?
Speaker 2:She went back on, smash on all that.
Speaker 1:And then next morning she wakes up in her human form. Dr C said I'm like, hey, oh, I didn't know what you look like. You're uniform, All you know. I'm gonna leave now. And then it's almost like you didn't see this coming. I'm sorry, did you really not see this coming?
Speaker 3:Can I put it this way? Can I put it in this aspect? Yeah, so here's the thing, so one of the things that I wanted to share in a lot of articles I haven't actually seen like sat down and watched it because so many people kept saying it was so bad.
Speaker 3:Good for you, y'all said it was so bad so I didn't even watch it. I'm just being honest, okay, because like I trust on y'all to that too. Like I don't have Disney Plus, I'm like if I go watch I'm going to go find some backwater site that possibly may want to put viruses on my phone or my computer. That's, I upgrade my software type shit. Like I'm going to really make an effort to watch it If you say it's really good, of course. So I'm going to run through a quick list of just eight things that has been gradually collected over most people's comments that say why does it? Don't like it, okay, so I'm putting this ass away.
Speaker 3:First, one horrible CGI Now granted even clips I've seen. Yes, I agree onto that one, because there was some points where it was like you could tell she was green screen, like you can tell she was green screen and it's like come on Marvel, y'all usually good at this. A lot of stuff is green screen, but this should not be showing that. Oh yeah, it's green screen, type it shouldn't be that noticeable.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it's onto that one. A lot of people say it was entirely just too many cameos. They just kept. They relied too much on cameos.
Speaker 1:Oh, we're not going to do too many cameos. Fucking cameo, Damn you're every episode.
Speaker 3:Cameo galore, yeah, so that's something that a lot of people was very upset about, that too. And in the cameo serve no purpose, like there weren't loud, lasting characters, none like that, just people to say, oh hey, I'm part of the MCU now. No, you, not, you really just was shown in one episode, never to be used again, type of thing, and it's like what was the point? So it just didn't make sense into this, not enough. Now, this is one I've seen a lot of need more lawyering, like it focused on she hope, but she's supposed to be a lawyer and it's like there's, you don't see her as a lawyer here. Like you see some stuff of it, you see the court scene, you know the funnier than that.
Speaker 1:Technically, she never won. You never see her win a court case in the whole show. You don't see her win. But you got to believe that she qualified for a female lawyer of the year. But you don't. You never saw her win a case in this fucking thing. That's.
Speaker 4:Do you have to see? Do you have to?
Speaker 1:see, I need fucking evidence. We look.
Speaker 4:Look, I don't like co-coaster, I don't like your wording. All right, she said she was supposed to be a lawyer. She went to law school, she had, she had, she had.
Speaker 1:I need a highlight of her credential.
Speaker 3:She went to. I have a very, very solid case into this. Okay, all right, she went to law school. Right, she did this, okay.
Speaker 2:She had cases too. Prior to the powers.
Speaker 3:So, so, so let's put in this aspect here. Okay, there are three people right now in the world who are going through a lawsuit and are winning their lawsuit, and guess what their lawsuit is about? They have never went to. They have never went to law school once. One of these guys has taken 26 court cases and has a flawless victory on every single one.
Speaker 4:The other two guys- you talking about, you, talking about, you, talking about. I see that too.
Speaker 1:Mike.
Speaker 4:Mike.
Speaker 1:I like.
Speaker 4:The one that worked with Harvey.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Harvey Yep, yep, yep. And so here's the thing, and have won their cases instantly. But she went to law school and we're not seeing that too much into this. I'm just saying I would like to see a little bit more of that. The show is supposed here's the thing, when the show was introduced. The show was introduced to be introducing how she hook is helping the MCU progress forward, like that's, that's my biggest thing to that. How is this supposed to help the MCU progress forward? Is this?
Speaker 3:a filler, or is this supposed to help things move along?
Speaker 1:Let me put you y'all like this, and I know I keep bringing this up, but I was very invested in that moment. Let's flash back to debt versus her and compare this to she hope, when she was defending a weak frog or whatever he was going by. And then our boy daredevil.
Speaker 3:That was. The next point, too, is that some people are very, very about this version of daredevil, but I've been seeing that the bad into it from the court.
Speaker 1:I like how, in the court case fucking daredevil, fucking Matt Murdoch made she hope look like the lawyer that was going up against Camille Vasquez and on debt versus her. It was like daredevil, like fucking smoking her. I'm like he was like what's that? What's that?
Speaker 2:smell.
Speaker 1:Hold on, is that jet fuel in your boots? And now I'm like, yeah, I was like you're not supposed to put jet fuel in your boots, you one of those booths. I'm like no wonder why they mount folks. They're like, oh, and she hold never even questioned that. It was like, oh yes, hey man, I'm getting cool.
Speaker 3:Keep in mind to this. We are about to do our first episode of nerdy court tonight. Okay, correct? We about to do this right, and one of the things that I that you know I specifically mentioned into this is that make sure that we're brushing up On our lawyer talk, like, if we're gonna be DA's and prosecutors, we need to sound the part. Well, of course, yes, we're gonna have fun because we're podcast, it's just us but at the same time, we're still gonna try to sound the part. We're still going to be using some of these terminology. We're growing as we're moving along. This is how we do this. Okay, most people, when I say I also need more lawyers, they say, even when they show the court cases Unless Matt Murdock was there, it did not feel like he was really watching a court case- Well, I can't record.
Speaker 3:Right, like it felt like it mopped the courtroom type of thing, and you know, that's something that we're very big about. We're not gonna do that when we do our recording. We're not gonna do that at all. We're treating it, because we have these people on trial, like I am prosecuting. No, jim Jojo, you are defending them. This is a case of you're bringing forth evidence, I'm bringing forth evidence. We going back and forth, hitting this back, that back, and that's something that a lot of people's like. This is not what it felt like and this could I. This was a writing issue. It's just it's a writing issue. It didn't feel like it really had took you to court, like something like I want to feel like I'm watching Judge Judy but some shit. But was she hope there? Type thing, because you this is what they emphasized it was supposed to be about Daredevil, did that? Like Netflix daredevil did that. When we got him in the courtroom and we saw those court scenes, it felt like you was in court watching this shit.
Speaker 1:You felt like holy shit, he's getting me Okay guys Listen, if it leaves us the court, the writers. Even admitted that they're not good at writing um lawyer type shit. So I'm like so you got people that wasn't even qualified to write. Fucking court seem to do this shit like this.
Speaker 3:Why would is we have Dragon Ball evolution?
Speaker 4:Hey, man Listen listen, listen, linda, listen. We don't bring that up. We don't bring up avatar, the last airbender, the movie trash if it's not on the extreme review.
Speaker 1:We do not talk about it. Okay, we don't talk about Bruno neither, no, I mean.
Speaker 4:When we do extreme reviews, we are obligated to talk about it out with Tyler that.
Speaker 1:Shut up, shut up.
Speaker 4:If it leaves us the court, I would like to die grace for a second. I would like to bring up something and I have a question, for Coco got to oh my god.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've been here for a minute. Go ahead.
Speaker 4:The last spider-man.
Speaker 1:Mmm, whoa, whoa, did you enjoy it? I was gonna save that later.
Speaker 4:Did you enjoy it? Yes, just a question. I did, I did. Yeah, how did that move the MCU forward or did it take it backwards?
Speaker 3:Oh, hold on. Well, that's part of this. We're gonna get into that. We're gonna get.
Speaker 4:Oh no, did it move it backwards or forward? I say forward, but I explained, I would say they moved it forward by moving it backwards. Do that make sense? I can see that. Do you disagree?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna have to say this. All right, so in the same manner.
Speaker 4:You think the same thing can't be done for She-Ho?
Speaker 2:I have to say this, I have to say this She-Ho felt like in your face feminism, and I've had it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, look, hold on, that's. That's one of the last points, the last two points that people had collected into this one Meta-False flat. It doesn't really feel like it's really in the audience, it's into the face. But the last thing to woke, well, it was like they tried very hard to bring modernness into it. To try to be respectful is one of those things like, like, and this is gonna lead to a question that I have for you specifically, jb. Okay, be prepared, that's all I'm gonna say. They tried to tailor so much to their audience that they failed. Would you say, jb, that She-Hulk was better than Velma, though?
Speaker 1:But you see, my statement.
Speaker 3:That I said is something that you specifically said about Velma, but this can also be said about She-Hulk as well, too.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you. She-hulk is better because it was less offensive overall, like Velma was coming after everybody, but She-Hulk had a more focused hatred towards a certain audience. So I'm like, okay, at least you're not like Velma to where you're pissing off everybody by trying to play K and pander to everybody. With She-Hulk it's almost like you were going after a specific audience. So I'm like, okay, at least you're a little bit more honest about when you're trying to get everybody's attention. But at the same time you're trying to give everybody the finger at the same time. I'm like, bro, like that's like you're really trying to bank on people watching your shit. And then you're like oh well, it doesn't matter If you hate it, you still watch them, bro. It's almost like, imagine you go into the movies and you go out of the movies saying like that was like the worst piece of shit I've ever seen. I was like well, it doesn't matter what you think, I still got your fucking money, that's the same energy that both of you showed Someone else.
Speaker 1:I was saying, like how I?
Speaker 3:felt about the second Silent Hill movie. I walked out that bitch wanting my money back. Yeah, it's like. Well, it doesn't matter how you feel about it.
Speaker 1:We can't just say that. We can't just say that we feel about it. We got your money. That's pretty much how it feels. It's like they're trying. It's almost like they will make you watch this show, kind of like the next show that we're going to talk about in just a moment, but it's like they kind of make you want to watch this show. Then when you watch it, they kind of spit in your face and then they just expect you to take it because, hey, you're already watching this, so you might as well finish it. And I was like, hey, man, this came in a little disrespectful and I'm like, yeah, at my whole point, being She-Hulk was a less offensive overall boot, because at least with She-Hulk there was some bitch that was genuinely funny, not Ironically funny, but I'm like, okay, it's kind of funny, velma, not so much. It's like, oh my god, yo. It's like they took. It's like they Saw how well.
Speaker 4:It was the funniest thing since the office. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:sir.
Speaker 3:I know, I know, I am.
Speaker 4:I am like I couldn't say that. I couldn't. I couldn't say that.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 4:I was lying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, you know what? Yeah, because I said what I said in the review, so Watched episode 86. I believe it was on podcast. Uh, in fact I'm kind of done with numbering them, so it's gone. All those gonna be renamed anyway, so we're gonna work on that later on, but let's get to the next one.
Speaker 2:It's.
Speaker 1:Marvel All right, okay.
Speaker 1:Oh my god listen, I'm gonna be honest with you, I Was kind of digging it, like at least the first half, to where you know how they were kind of had like stylized, kind of like the way Spiderman kind of had it to wear the comic book kind of Aspects, and I'm like okay, I'm kind of digging it. I mean that the representation was good, you know, with her culture and whatnot, some of the Morals and positive takeaway, it was good. It was good. That's why I'm saying like with this Marvel, it was okay and that's why we're at this point where, with iron brew and she hope these are unforgettable tear now we are in Not bad but kind of man territory.
Speaker 1:Because, half of it was not bad, and in the other half I'm like what you talk about willis.
Speaker 3:Look, we thought, because we have talked about this one before briefly into I know I've mentioned it briefly into it, but I was on like a full episode review onto it where the issue from this marvels this, our main cast, our main three heroes Fantastically done. Love them into this. What suffered in the movie Was the, the villain, and how we got to her when it's like. At first it started off like it was getting to a slow burn there, like we were gonna slowly get there, and then all of a sudden villains rushed in our face and at that moment everything is like rushed as hell and it disrupted the flow into it and that's what we mentioned like. That's why a JP had mentioned like the first half Seemed to be pretty good, because it felt like we was doing something. Then at the latter half we had no idea what was happening.
Speaker 1:Okay, you know what Miss Marvel is in this Ranked order that we're gonna do. Miss moral is the first example of many to where I have a problem with the MCU TV shows. Right now it's got to a point to where it got so formulaic that it seems like, okay, the first one or two episodes pretty good. Three might be a little mid for might be gas, depending on what show you're watching. Five and six Okay, big finale fight. We got to have the big finale and I'm like, okay, well, I kind of get that because I Get formula on don't fix what isn't broken. But it feels predictable in a way to where I'm like why do you need all these different Side characters have their own show? And then we're just pretty much watching the same shit, but with different characters. And that's why I'm saying, like you know, played out that way, like I'm not saying anything against the formula, but with the way y'all were like over saturating with all these different side characters having their own show, yeah, I'm gonna get so played out that's why?
Speaker 4:it's cuz they need to be arcade. As you can see, they got the New show for Wakanda coming out with none of the main characters. Like you know me, it's all about the almighty dollar and in the words of Talos, that mouse Don't do with that mouse.
Speaker 3:That mouse is all the variety is now public domain. Baby careful.
Speaker 1:But no for it like it is.
Speaker 3:It's a money grab. But then there's also that little aspect onto the fact of World building is what was supposed to be See the comics have an opportunity of doing that to where let's be realistic there's some issue comic issues that are not good People still. Some people still remember them, some people forget them and you move on from it. But there's enough of them to the point to where you can have some forgettable issues. But there's enough of good ones that you still maintain your fan base that it kind of blocks out those other ones and it feels almost as if, like, this is what the MCU was trying to do, may have wanted doing. They're like you know what superhero drama is still gonna be popular for years and years to come. So it's okay, we make some mistakes. We're just gonna keep moving forward and keep making them.
Speaker 1:No, it's coming, Is you?
Speaker 3:now? Oh yeah, no, it's becoming, is you now? Warner Brothers has now ditched the superhero movies. Yeah, yeah, they're still making some, but that is no longer their focus anymore. Warner Brothers has now dropped it. They said fuck it, we're dropping DC.
Speaker 4:It's not profitable because it's over saturated. You got the defenders, got Jessica Jones, luke Cage. We've been doing it for years like Marvel.
Speaker 3:Marvel has done has like really dominated that we say in Mirage. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:No, but I think the other issue too is even when we had Luke Cage, even when we had just that was spacing, there was time for us to miss superheroes. We don't even have room or time to miss them anymore.
Speaker 3:It's just yeah, we also had time to because the COVID Well, yeah, I mean, people had chances at just sit down and watch it, yeah, but I also see what is the MJ saying, and that too, and the fact that's like you, you had time to wear it. You could catch up like you had a little bit time. Oh, yeah, I watched that. I finally caught up by the time the next one rolls out and here we are like almost movie back to back to back to back to back. So where's?
Speaker 1:anything you.
Speaker 3:You watch the next one. You have no idea what's going on because you missed the previous movie was just important for the story.
Speaker 2:Or you miss the series and it's like, well, what did I leave out?
Speaker 3:It's true, like for people who are just movie watchers. They don't sit down and watch TV, they don't watch like the shows and stuff like that. They don't. They don't buy Disney plus or Hulu or Netflix and stuff like that paramount plus and then like, oh, I just watch movies, like I'm not a person that just sits down, I can't binge a whole series and stuff. I like just to spend my one-and-a-half hour watched a movie and then I move on to something else type of thing. And so for them they're gonna be hella lost because they have no idea what the fuck is going on, because they don't watch the series.
Speaker 4:There's a difference between making movies and making TV shows right. Tv shows has to grasp grasp the audience Over a specific period of time. And movies, you know you get a time to crunch everything in the hour and a half essentially, so the pacing has to be very fast. You know you got to get, give people the chance to understand a character, Understand the villain and then mush it all together for ending right, hey, and the TV show.
Speaker 4:You got to set the pace. You got a, but at the same time it goes episode, episode, so you got to keep them wanting more. This is true and also this is out no thing. I nothing to do with nothing, but I think I'm gonna change my name later to Professor took Esquire, so oh my fuck.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, I'm kind of digging a little bit better. It's less of a mouthful.
Speaker 3:Take out the enter, whatever.
Speaker 4:Professor to Esquire.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I like that. There we go with that one, but no, but I don't want the biggest things. Like Miss Marvel is to me is just that. That's just as main aspect. It's like it felt like it was.
Speaker 3:It got confusing later on, Like it felt like it was starting to overly rush into, like it was bone rushing to the end and we did not get a chance to really see what it is that Najma could do. Like Nazma is a fucking gen, she's a genie. Like she has fucking God, like fucking power. So it makes sense that you would have to have these three cosmic beings to be able to go up against her. And it didn't feel like it Was worth it. Like it, it felt like you was building into it for people who's watching into it, and it did not get to that point, to where it was like I feel satisfied. It didn't feel satisfying any into that and that's the main thing about it was like you had three great heroes, three great actresses, and Was not you utilize properly? The villain to me was not utilized properly. It just it could have been so much better. But that's my small little two cents as far as our recap gotcha.
Speaker 1:All right, speaking of movies, black widow, where remember when? All right, check this out when. Black widow had this thing's where premier access with the thing on Disney, plus to where, okay, you can go out and watch it in the theater if you want to, or you pay thirty dollars to watch it and then come for it your own home, bro, honestly it's not worth it $30.
Speaker 4:It ain't and when it came out. When it first came out, the first thing I said was actually dead.
Speaker 1:No, it was. It was a posse humorous on movies where it took place after Civil War. Damn but no, that's what.
Speaker 3:Like how we have a movie where she did is like oh, it's a prequel type thing, okay, interesting, I guess it should have came out before she died, yeah that's what I'm saying end game. So they actually were working on it before then, but for some weird reason somebody decided, I don't know, somebody decided we're gonna wait to release it.
Speaker 4:They dumb. I would have released it as hype for pre for what it was already over. I mean it's Thanos.
Speaker 1:Y'all my name. It was kind of mid to me. For sure because, okay, first of all the villain, forgettable for the most part, like to do with the villain of the week with a.
Speaker 1:Perfumes with. Oh, the black widows can attack me as long as I'm wearing this cologne. Really, that's your whole thing. Okay, cast master, I did not care that Last. Yes, underutilized, that's the main thing. I did not care that they gender swapped her I. That's cool, but horribly underutilized in this movie and I'm hoping she's gonna be one the members of the Thunderbolts later on, but we'll see. You want to know who the saving grace was for this whole movie?
Speaker 1:Yelena Mmm she was charming as hell in that whole movie, like with the jokes and shit. Yeah, and I'm gonna talk about her a little bit more when we get later on down the line, but she was funny in a way to wear. You know what you made this movie go from Mid to watchable.
Speaker 3:To be honest with you on that. There was too much negative for me on to it. Sorry, I get that for you, I just just not me on to that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's it. That's a thing. It's like If it wasn't for you laying, I would have been completely sitting on this, but I'm still going, yeah.
Speaker 3:But it's one of those things is like I I I wanted to watch this movie free online. I found I finally found opportunity to watch this movie free online and it was not worth the viruses, it wasn't that bad it was mediocre at best.
Speaker 4:It wasn't worth the virus.
Speaker 2:We can't lie and say those action scenes weren't filmed phenomenally. We can't say that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we, you right, we can't say that it was as bad as she hope.
Speaker 3:We can't say that whoa, don't even try that.
Speaker 1:They did have acting scene, but it was like bro, I counted the second. They were less than two minutes long.
Speaker 4:It was the best action scene of the year In she.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, at least with most of these shows it was like, okay, at least one episode gonna be like Dedicated to the big bite scene.
Speaker 4:I'm what y'all got against she hope.
Speaker 3:Okay, so yes, so fine, We'll give the action scenes into that, okay, and I'll give you a lineup. All right, there we go. So there's two ways into the movie that you say, okay, what else do you have? We've already established that the story writing is bad. We've already established that other than that I'm like.
Speaker 1:no writing was meh like the right.
Speaker 3:The writing didn't hurt.
Speaker 3:If the writing did not stay hooked for you. But here's the thing. Yeah, here's one of the things about it. My biggest issues into this is three major things into this Okay, first and foremost, how they did old girl was fucking horrible. The fact of the matter is that you could go to the movies and watch it or you could stay at home and watch it, but she only got sales for people who went to the movies to watch it. That's the only thing she got paid on. Most people had to stay home and watch it because of COVID, because of a bullshit, and you know what?
Speaker 1:they robbed her not to be that guy, but I'm feeling really glad that I was one of those dudes that went to the theaters to watch it right.
Speaker 3:You could say you supported the actress, so you understand that. So that's my first biggest issue into it. Secondly, story writing is always a big thing for me, especially if you're doing any type of comic series. You're making a movie based for the fans. Fans are watching this. Fans of either that's could been watching the show, have been watching the movies, like whatever has led them up into this. This is also one that you're billing for the people who were comic book fans. There's a lot of black widow comic book fans. Black widow is a badass. The super soldier Like she's that person. She's had a tough life but no matter how, tough her life is.
Speaker 3:She's still one of the doing shit for people and still wants them saving people. There's a big black widow fan base.
Speaker 4:Cook guys, a kind of that is why there's a big fan base.
Speaker 1:It's kind of unrelated, but I like how in recent time there were like a comic book panel to, where black widow has a spider-man suit and she's going by black widow, but oh man, she was fucking beautiful in that suit.
Speaker 4:I just had nobody out there and that's the fan base. That's the exact fan base.
Speaker 3:You can have a fan base based upon looks. I get that okay. But then the people who were fan base on looks we're very upset how they did the actress. They were like, no, you're not gonna do me like this, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1:Hey, I don't want, I don't want people sexualizing me. Okay, meanwhile there was like a whole bunch of ass shots in the film. I'm like, hey man, like what did she just say?
Speaker 3:They didn't respect her at all. You know that. They knew the fan base one is your fan base is wanting to see ass. That's it, boom. But I see them. So my third thing yeah, my third, and true, but my third issue is based on how they also did the placement to it. The only reason they did this is they made this movie the way that they did it was to kind of Help them see you move forward, because one of the biggest issues is this Black widow is well known for being one of the biggest people to help the Avengers keep moving on. She is Nick Fury's right-hand man in the Avengers, a right-hand woman in the Avengers. Like, straight up, if Nick Fury is not calling all the Avengers together, he's calling Hawkeye and black widow, primarily black widow. That's his first go-to all the time. She is literally, regardless of anything, a co-leader. She's one that cap talks to, that helps rely on, based on how the MCU progressed. She's one that Bruce Banner talks to and relies on. Um Hawkeye talks to and relies on onto this.
Speaker 4:Why does Bruce rely on her?
Speaker 3:Because MCU made it to where it was supposed to be, a thing that there were gonna be. A couple People didn't like it, so it's getting real love. She was the only one who could help calm down and turn back into Bruce Banner, and they started having a little bit of relationship. But then she was like no, I don't really want to proceed like this, I'm just doing my job. And it became an issue later on.
Speaker 1:So in other words, we couldn't keep with say on as Betty for the rest of the MCU, so we need someone else. We need another woman to like remind him that he needs to maintain his humanity. That's pretty pretty much.
Speaker 3:So it was like they just use black widow fill the role into that, so kind of how it worked out for him. But that was MCU storyline. People didn't like it. But you put this in the storyline, so that's a big thing into that. So you have a primary character is killed off, cannot come back. She's killed off and she can't come back. So he's the thing into it. How do you replace her? How do you replace?
Speaker 4:a leader.
Speaker 3:Exactly. Oh, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna make a movie where she has a sister and that sister is gonna be the one to take her place.
Speaker 4:No, I was being facetious because she wasn't a leader. You can state how you want. You want to know why she wasn't in the words of the God of Thunder. We know who the leader is. We know who the leader.
Speaker 1:Alright, this brings me to our next point door for loving thunder.
Speaker 3:People don't like MCU Thor because he's like significantly weaker than comic books.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's like one of things you can argue that for every care True well, yeah, oh, it's kind of funny how, like, okay, thor was One of the people that lost damn it, everybody you know, his brother, his parents, his friends and all that and then now he's just like, oh, he's lost his all Girlfriends who, like they just broke up because, you know, they just had differences between the jobs On their respective jobs, you know. So they just had to like split up. But you know, thor is trying to do his own thing. He's even trying to hang out with the Guardians and I like how that one point where Peter was like it helps to have some the fight for, and then you just looking at his team, then Thor trying to inch his way into the shots, like you need me to like, like, okay, let me just put you like this.
Speaker 1:It was kind of funny in a genuine way, but I wasn't really expecting anything like super serious for Thor at this point in the war. Jane Foster was okay, she was alright. I thought it was kind of funny with the relationship between Stormbreaker where, like every time Thor was talking to Mjolnir, almost like they were like Thor was two-timing Stormbreaker trying to see Mjolnir behind his back, and then Stormbreaker was like, are you talking to that old bitch? Again I was like no, no, you're the only weapon for me. And then I thought it was kind of funny the screaming goats. Some people found it annoying, bro, that's what was so funny.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I thought it was like Naruto or like Osta. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean, yeah, it's like I don't know, it wasn't too annoying. It's not like they were like screaming the whole movie, it was like every now and then I'm like, okay, I thought it was kind of funny Gore. Okay, christian Bill, he did fair enough with the role. But once again it's one of those things where they really nerf Gore in this thing with the Necro sword and all that. I'm like, ah man, y'all really nerfed this gun Kara.
Speaker 3:They really had to, though they honestly had to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, I know because you know MCU, but I'm like I was I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I got you. Look, you know, thor, love and Thunder suffered in Maine two primary things One in the fact that it was a Thor movie, and at this point people, people love seeing Thor because they like seeing Chris. That's just really what it was. It wasn't so much they enjoyed watching a Thor story.
Speaker 1:I mean. I mean I mean that one scene where they stripped them naked. I mean, did we really need that scene though?
Speaker 2:No, no, no.
Speaker 1:Y'all know exactly why you put that scene in there. Y'all know exactly why.
Speaker 4:The same reason man the story was in.
Speaker 3:She-Hook. It's the same reason we kept seeing Black Widow's ass. That's just the fan service.
Speaker 4:When I was in the theaters and that scene popped up. Why? The girl next to me no idea who she was she said. She screamed oh my God.
Speaker 2:Exactly, I was the girl that was me. I'm pretty sure that was me. Because, I definitely fell out of my seat Like thank you Jesus, amen, I promise you.
Speaker 3:Man. The theater was like oh, we got ad team for free. Look him and Aquaman are the two main. Those are the two main saving graces of MC Cal Drogo.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, cal Drogo, yes, amen.
Speaker 4:I don't recognize Aquaman.
Speaker 2:Cal Drogo, I see.
Speaker 3:We're not talking about DC right now because Tuck, you tripping.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I mean, we're going to do the Game of Thrones review later on this month anyway, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's the best TV show in history. Oh my God, the best show in history. I don't know no other TV show that was so good Except the last season, yeah the last season. I mean without killing it for me, we don't count that.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:Unfortunately.
Speaker 3:I told you Look, look, look, look, look look look look, look, look look, look, look look, look back to Thor, y'all.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:We get there to look, but no, for real. But that was the biggest thing in today is that one is the fact that a lot of people was not into seeing Thor as a Thor movie anymore. They just wanted to see Chris. So when people are not really going into it, you have to have a gimmick. So their gimmick was we're going to make this Thor movie like Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker 3:Remember one thing about MCU MCU does this all the time. Pay attention to their movie posters, to their poster art, like that's used on the DVD boxes and that's used for like the cells and everything. That poster, the coloration that's used in the poster, tells you what type of movie is supposed to be. Mcu does this all the time. Marvel has always done this, even way back from like way before it became MCU. Like the old incredible Hulk movies and Blade, those poster arts told you what type of movie it was. So when you see in some of the other Thor movies, you pay attention that there's some cut, that there's like some color, but it's like very flat colors. Like it means it's going to be a straightforward storyline. Thor, love and Thunder's poster is exactly the same fucking colors as all the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, which lets you know this was going to be another Guardians of the Galaxy movie. That's pretty much what I mean.
Speaker 4:Ask Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because Thor wanted to be the leader of the Guardians. So bad.
Speaker 4:He was the leader.
Speaker 1:I mean I wasn't going to stop him, but at the same time it's like, hey people, you all just stand there and let him take your team from you.
Speaker 4:I mean he could have took the team.
Speaker 3:He definitely could have took the team If he felt like they got tired of him very quickly.
Speaker 4:They was like, oh, he's such a man.
Speaker 3:They got tired of his ass very quick. They left his ass on purpose. They were just like we're tired of this shit, he got the Deadpool treatment.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, very much so, but then that's the thing. That's the first thing into it. Okay, the second thing that Thor wound up suffering so much into was with Gore. So the thing about it is they could not do a proper Necro sword because Sony still would not give Marvel the rights to be able to do anything with Spider-Man and Venom. They would not let them have that opportunity. They've now got that contract. They finally got that contract after this movie came out, which is really similar to it.
Speaker 3:It would be almost right after too is the funny part about it. But they finally got the contract filled out after this movie came out, but before it they had no rights into it. So the Necro sword was not a real Necro sword at all, there's just real talk of it. It is.
Speaker 4:They need to buy that back, though they got the money.
Speaker 3:Now they do, but they're trying to work something. So, and then the other thing about it is that Gore, the fact that we wound up coming from such an awesome movies as in game and, of course you know, infinity War, where we got the chance to see Thanos's children in full CGI and costume makeup form and they look like they're fucking comic counterparts but we couldn't get Gore with that. There was no issues with the actor having issues with the prosthetics or anything like that. They just didn't do it and there was no valid reason for it. So we wound up seeing this bald monk and try to say, oh, this is the, this is the God Hunter, the God killer, and then real talk as well. How many guys did he kill in the movie?
Speaker 1:Um, he said, they said like thousands or whatever.
Speaker 2:But it was off.
Speaker 1:It was off screen, though you can't. You can't take that home.
Speaker 4:Faith he killed some minor guys. You know the guy you know the guy the disc in the MCU.
Speaker 3:He only killed minor guys. That was the thing they specifically said. Like it was to the point. They were just like oh, we're not worried about him. Like Zeus literally said oh, we're not worried about him. He's like, you know, like look, I got to protect people, we're just going to ignore him and do whatever type of thing. That nigga was a real fucking threat in the comics. We feared that man. When they feared that dude. When he came around, when they heard Gore is around, they were like the fuck, what is he doing here?
Speaker 1:Like wait a minute? Gord got the spot treatment.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he was like the four to Kage, bro, they flee on site.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, like legit God's feared that. Only high gods like Zeus, aries, odin, those are the only ones that was like, if he came around, they're like, oh hell, no, like fuck that. Like let him come at me, let him come at me and try any other guy. You didn't have to be a lesser guy, even like mid level guys was like, oh shit, that was the Kratos types here, Exactly. Thor did wind up beating Thor, did wind up beating him in a fight. He did want to beat him in the comics but he had Odin force, so that was a big fight. Understanding. He could not beat him without Odin force. Hercules fought against Gord and almost died, and Hercules can go through the toll with Thor very easily.
Speaker 1:And can you now see why I felt disappointed by the way they handle Gord? Because I'm like, hey yo wait a minute, you can't just bring Gord into this without and you're going to water down, oh man you're going to have to. But hey, chris and Bill, to be fair, dawg you really did the best you could with the role.
Speaker 3:He did. He still enjoyed him in the role. I just wish they could have like, developed the character more so I had no issues with him. He did a fantastic job. Every emotion he felt as far as him and his family, his daughter, I felt as shit. He did a fantastic job in that shit. It's just that was just writing. That was right. You know, I grade based on the character, how the characters on, the actors and actresses do. I grade based on the writing and how everything is like placed together. You know I do my three on grading into it. I have no issues with actor Chris. He did a fantastic job. I'm biggest issues right now.
Speaker 1:All right. So I'm like come on, we have anything else on Thor 4? I?
Speaker 2:do feel like Jane and Dahlia were very much underused. I feel like kind of going along with the writing that they definitely could have, it felt like they didn't know what to do with these characters. They felt like extras Just tag along for the movie and also now that felt very much like we just want girls to feel like they're kind of empowered. But not really they're here, though they showed up Okay.
Speaker 3:And look, they should on us in the movie as well too that we should have also had beta red bill, and all we got was just a fucking statue. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That hurt my feelings. I'm like, bro, we're going to finally going to get beta red bill.
Speaker 3:And. I'm like oh, it was mad during the third Thor movie and the fact that one we could have had Planet Hulk. Then they just threw that piece in there and just completely erased the Planet Hulk storyline, which are very upsetting itself too. But it was also like beta red bill should have been in there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Planet Hulk would have been dope so we wouldn't have got the beta red bill.
Speaker 3:Thanks, Because remember it was like warm breaker is bad as weapon. Anyway, sorry, moving forward, Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, gotta keep this moving. Now let's get to the really the most mid entry in this whole list Eternals.
Speaker 4:Go to the next one.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Hold on.
Speaker 3:Hold on hold on hold on If it's so bad and skipping. I do want to mention this one thing into this Okay, eternals did do a fantastic job in showcasing powers. It had good cinematics. Okay, it did have good cinematics. It had great powers. The actors did the actors.
Speaker 2:You trying?
Speaker 3:to find something. No, no, no, no, no, hold on. The actors did a good job, okay, but look, let's put it this way Recently, if you will compare, I forgot the eternal girls. I forgot the girl's name, but the one who has super speed, compare her to how you did the flash real talk. Who was poos? Who was better?
Speaker 1:Wait, hold on which flash.
Speaker 3:The most recent flash movie.
Speaker 4:Oh, oh. You gotta be specific with which flash, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm about to say if you say Grant Guston, I'm like Grant Guston will smoke that girl.
Speaker 3:Grant Guston. But let's put it this way it's only knowledge. Ezra, the most recent Ezra. Okay, ezra, hi, I'm Barry. The fucking skipping across the speed force is here.
Speaker 1:No, like this dude was running, like he was fucking swimming. Are you running or swimming? What the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 3:dog, and this is an emphasized camera shots.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like, bro this. That movie didn't look fucking ugly and 4k Like I'm like this. 4k made it look worse.
Speaker 3:But no, for real. So internals did a great job at showcasing powers. The biggest issue with the internals is this they asked a major question in the movie and gave the most bullshit answer possible. So where were you when Thanos attacked and snapped all of existence half of existence out? Since you're supposed to be the celestial beings that are supposed to help protect the balance of the universe, he disrupted the balance. Where were you?
Speaker 1:Here's the thing we're more like overseer, so we don't get involved until we have to get involved. So that was a canon event. We had to let us lie. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:It was a canon event is the most accurate answer. They put what's in there. They could have just said we didn't want to.
Speaker 2:They really could have just said honestly we didn't want to.
Speaker 1:I'm like we could have, but we didn't want to. Hey, that's the most dickish Listen.
Speaker 2:I was too busy starting relationships. I was on a coffee break.
Speaker 1:Actually, no, no, you want to be real. You want to be real. You're really just. We would look in the actuality. We're just more like we're overseers to the incubation. We're really supposed to keep your life long enough for a TMI to just eat y'all up like a meatball.
Speaker 4:So yeah, Not a meatball.
Speaker 3:It's galactus, don't do that you know, Dan went with y'all was here, for we also couldn't put in fantastic for you. They weren't allowed to do that either, so they couldn't use galactus either. So they just like it was just a TMI. No, nick, tmi is not that big of a threat, fuck y'all talking about.
Speaker 4:They were bringing back the OG, the OG, in fact.
Speaker 1:Other than that, that's it. You know, they had like a okay cat Like. Who was that one dude Started with a D? He was the dude that was wearing a black Fuck. He was the one dude that actually liked, because he was the dude that was like saying, hey, yo, no real shit, how come we're not doing anything about this? He was the only one that was like making some sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly Exactly, because it's not our job. Yeah, my job description says everything that's happening right now. What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2:I do want to say there was one controversial thing, like news wise, that came to the eternals. That wasn't really hit on and wasn't really talked about by Disney. They kind of tried to like overshadow it with a course, but a lot of which I know this is controversial, but a lot of Christian families felt like that the gay having a gay character was too much for their kids to see. A lot of them decided not to go see the eternals because of that. They felt like it was a little bit too much in your face. They was like, oh okay, that's too much. A lot of them ended up canceling their Disney Plus subscriptions and that has now started to affect them now because they don't want overt sexuality in their kids' faces. They feel like Disney should still be family friendly.
Speaker 3:But that's part of being that. I get that, that's part of that, but that's part of being that. Disney right now has so many kids movies out that explores so many different forms of sexuality and saying that it is okay, I get that People is that you got to go for the most part of your money. That's just real talk.
Speaker 2:I mean, they did lose a lot of money going there out and I don't think it was just, it was even some LGBT friendly families who was like, yeah, I just don't want to introduce that early to my kids. Like, yes, later, but not so early.
Speaker 3:That makes sense because a lot of them, kind of like the same fan base, want to cut and buzz light here as well too. The whole light year movie, the long movie that was pretty much kind of a fan. There's even like another movie that's been completely like it's still on Disney Plus where people know absolutely nothing about it, about where the main character is transgender person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they just feel like it's too early. It's not that they have a problem with it, just feel like this is if our kids are four and five, we don't want them to watch this yet, maybe when they're 13 and 14, where we can have more of a conversation, and this is instead of having it so early. But I digress.
Speaker 4:I just mentioned the conversation I would like to have is about the Fantastic Four. They should bring Jessica Alvabad. She did a fantastic job.
Speaker 2:She was beautiful. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 4:I can't even lie.
Speaker 2:She was very beautiful.
Speaker 4:She did a great job. She did a great job. She should just be back in her original role.
Speaker 2:She brought such a gracefulness to the world.
Speaker 3:Yes, she did.
Speaker 4:All right.
Speaker 3:All right.
Speaker 4:No hold on hold on hold on One more thing.
Speaker 1:One more thing on the terms and I swear to God, we've gone, go past it the way it was sacrificing himself as a tool meant for what he did to betray his team. And I suppose that we I'm like what's the point of doing that If y'all could be 3D printed by the Celestial with memories uploaded to you like fucking crypto from destroy all humans? So I'm like what's the point of sacrificing yourself like that?
Speaker 3:I feel like there's a part of the movie that's missing from that. Like there should have been some significance into it. Like it does feel like maybe he was not going to be able to come back the way he sacrificed himself, he wouldn't be able to, his memories would never be fully restored or something like that, or it would have to be a completely different person. Like I feel like there should have been more of an impact. There's a lot of content from the Eternals that was cut from like a lot. So that's, but that's that's my only theory.
Speaker 3:Into that is the fact that maybe there was something that was in the writing and they cut it and maybe either overlooked that that was something that was cut, or they just like you know what. There's no better way to explain it, we're just going to leave it out, type of thing. Per se, I don't know, but I do know there was a lot of content that was cut from the movie. A lot of actors and actresses, when they went into interviews, talked about that too. They said there was a lot of scenes that they did that was cut from the movie.
Speaker 1:So yeah, because otherwise that would make no sense to like you sacrifice yourself for nothing, because they can just make another one of you with the memories and everything. But yeah that was the only thing I had to say about Eternals. That's why I was saying like eh, it was not bad, but it was just kind of mid, like you know, all right, let's get to the shit. That is, as we, kind of good Hawkeye.
Speaker 3:I haven't seen it, so I'm going to be quiet on this one. I don't even know too much information on this either.
Speaker 4:I do want to say that's green arrow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, nigga. No, Don't you think?
Speaker 1:Wait wait.
Speaker 4:I know he had a longer running series.
Speaker 2:I'm not doing this.
Speaker 1:All right, you're not being very bad. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2:I was saying green arrow was definitely so. Fan service Don't you dare.
Speaker 3:I was saying that Ollie liked that. Bruh Ooh oh we're clean.
Speaker 2:What are those for?
Speaker 4:The fuck. Black Widow and Hawkeye fighting on who's going to die first. Both of y'all should die. I mean like it really don't matter.
Speaker 3:MCU Hawkeye is fantastic. Okay, mcu Hawkeye is fantastic.
Speaker 4:But no, he was fantastic after his family died and he had that sword. That's different.
Speaker 1:He was born into family didn't die.
Speaker 4:His family did die or something.
Speaker 3:They don't snap them away.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, he had a new one.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh, okay, oh, that was snap, oh yeah, and then he snapped and he had that sword, what he should have had a sword, he should have had a sword the whole time.
Speaker 3:The wrong. Well, that's the thing. So this is the thing about it.
Speaker 4:That was character development.
Speaker 3:They should have stayed snap, hold on, hold on. There's a thing about Hawkeye that most people don't realize. Okay, and this is canon's father comics and with the MCU as well, now that we've been introduced to Ronan shows this Hawkeye is a weapons expert. He's a weapons expert, he prefers.
Speaker 4:He's an expert.
Speaker 3:Yes, he prefers to use a bow and arrow, but he can. You can put guns in his hand and he's a excellent marksman. You can put a sword in his hand and he's actually he's not a super soldier, so he cannot move the way that black widow can. It's like saying there was no reason for black widow. Fantastic into it.
Speaker 4:That's what you tell them there was no reason for black widow, black widow, black widow Hold on Hold.
Speaker 3:On Black widow, remember, she's been experimented on. She has experimental super soldier Super soldier serum inside Long in her bloods no one near as strong as it is for Captain America, but she does still have that. She's a female super soldier and she was a Russian spot, so there's a reason for black widow being there. Her story is important. It helped us help along with the storyline for things. But Hawkeye is just the action for black widow.
Speaker 4:He's a fantastic, she got a sister or something like that.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to remember your sister Yep, the land we just talked about that. Who is that the land? Who is?
Speaker 4:it. It was little, the blonde.
Speaker 1:The blonde girl with the the blonde.
Speaker 4:What's she played in? Oh my God, don't you have Google, I know, but First of all, first of all, you are Google. You should have known. I'm just talking to your head, see.
Speaker 1:See Co guys. So this is shit. I've been talking about you, remember? We know the conversation you had.
Speaker 4:Yes, you should have known off the top of your head. And I also told Jack Black hey, I need to catch her analysis on seeing on how strong he is. I need him to do that.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, look. But anyway, the thing about it is that the thing about it is that Hawkeye is a weapons expert. Okay, but the thing is he's very comedic, he's very like easy going. He doesn't always like doing too much, unless he really needs to. He prefers using the bone arrow because it's a practical thing for him. For him, him using a bow and arrow is the exact same reason that master splinter gave Mikey nunchucks.
Speaker 3:And if you don't know the reasoning for that, real quick, if you haven't seen the last, if you haven't read the comics, the last Ronin, and you don't know this new video game that coming out this year and I'm fucking excited about that shit. Anyway, um, mikey, aside from most people not realizing it, is the best combatant turtle Out of all his brothers. He is the best weapons expert, literally. He can fight with the sword better than Leo. He can fight with the size better than Ralph. He can fight with the bull staff better than Donatello. He's given the nunchucks because think about it this way Mikey hits himself in the head all the time because he's not paying attention, but if he's in the middle of a fight, he never hits himself at all Period, only his opponents, because nunchaku, you have to have absolute focus when you're using it. You have to. You have to be focused into it all the time. Because Mikey is so proficient in other weapons he can pick up these other weapons with absolute ease.
Speaker 3:That master splinter gave him the nunchaku to make him stay focused. Because Mikey is so fucking lazy and so easy going with things, everything else came to him naturally. He's an expert at all these other weapons so he has to have something that he has to stay focused on so they can keep him focused on the mission. Otherwise things are too easy for him. He literally lives life on easy mode if he's not using nunchaku, like real shit. And that's the same thing for Hawkeye. And that's why Ronin is so dangerous is because when Hawkeye decides to actually get serious, he's a dangerous ass motherfucker. He can take on Taskmaster with other weapons. He just specifically uses bone arrow to keep himself focused. That is a thing, yeah, but that's all that I really know. Like I said, I haven't seen the Hawkeye show, so I don't know too much into that. I'm just mentioning into that for y'all to understand. He is, he's a weapons expert, though.
Speaker 1:All it really was was Hawkeye had to clear his name from Kate Bishop to, kind of masquerade, add to Ronin and whatnot. And then there's this whole business where her family was getting involved with some unsavory folks and Yelena comes back to try to kill Hawkeye because Val from the show that we're about to talk about next. And then she put some ideas in Yelena's head to make her think that Hawkeye was the one that killed Natasha. But that wasn't the case. Yeah, hawkeye was there when Black Widow died, but he wasn't like the one. He wasn't at fault for that. That's the one that was. And then Val sent Yelena to try to kill Hawkeye over it. Now, hopefully that's gonna be fully explained in the Thunderbolts movie, but other than that, hawkeye was okay. Oh yeah, echo and kingpin was introduced in Hawkeye too, so that was a good thing.
Speaker 4:Shout out to Kingpin yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah and uh, bro, honestly the best part of it was Kate Bishop and Yelena's relationships where, like Yelena for her to be a Super efficient assassin, she treated you like, excuse me, yelena treated Kate like that was her best friend for years now. It's like, kate Bishop, how you doing? I was like hey, don't talk to me like that. I, I'm not supposed to like you. I don't like, I'm sorry, I just have that effect on people. I'm like, no, at least you're honest about it, because, bro, like just something about Yelena to where she just has to show arm what's wrong.
Speaker 3:Like just just admit that you falling for the character, bro, just say that like I. Ben said that like For some reason, what do you mean? For some reason, yeah, the finder finder, I know, I know you are not hating on somebody else's preferences.
Speaker 4:Listen, I'm all about Monica Rambo.
Speaker 1:I did not have sexual relations with that woman, miss Rambo.
Speaker 3:Megan on you, you know.
Speaker 4:Accusations.
Speaker 3:We are recording right now. You are on recording that is AI technology.
Speaker 4:They taking over music, they taking over art, they taking over everything. Now they can make you sound like anything look, I could type in something to make it sound like all y'all, I would never all right, that was all right.
Speaker 3:All right, next one.
Speaker 1:All right. The Falcon and Winter Soldier All right. So this one was not bad, but it was kind of mid, depending on how you see it, to where okay the parts where with John Walker gone unhinged trying to get super soldiers serum because, oh shit, I need live up to the name of Captain America and you got blood on the shield for the first time ever and there was never blood on the shield. That's kind of oh, that was one thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, like there was plenty of motherfuckers. There was so much alien blood on that shield, nazi blood on that shield, like bread on let's not, let's not be around pushed on me. It was innocent blood, but not innocent, but blood it didn't need.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll say that there now okay, uh, what else going on with? Okay? So essentially you know Sam and Bucky had like this rocky relationship, you know being the side well, not even psyche, I'm gonna disrespect them like that but you know they were um close.
Speaker 4:No, no man, they were a side cue. They got upgraded from side kids status like um Robin.
Speaker 1:tonight we Okay, yep, I Only have that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that I agree.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing um Battlestar, um John Walker sidekick, he said something that sticks with me to this day, to where Power makes us more of ourselves, and that was very well known with John Walker, the way he became all unhinged and shit. And then one my funniest parts of the whole series was when um Bucky was just doing this whole stare down at um Battlestar and um John Walker. I'm like does he always do that? And like yeah, that's the thing. And it was like um so what's? Your name was like Battlestar. And then Bucky was like Battlestar, pull the car, pull, pull over. And he just got up out of the truck. I was like hey, yo, it's like yeah, hey, bucky, will I am a man, I'm doing this this dude say his name was Battlestar? I can't, I'm out now. I thought that was funny.
Speaker 3:Other, than that. It's true as one of those things like this be real. Talk like you can't fight with something. It's difficult to fight with somebody who's got a whack-ass neck. Let's just be real on today. You um.
Speaker 4:Hey, battlestar hands up. Come on, you can't even shorten abbreviated like Captain America. I cap, cap.
Speaker 3:Is that because you abbreviated is BS? There's no saving you like you. You was hit, you was hit by the shit names.
Speaker 4:What can the nickname be? Like star? Like no, because first thing you think of is stocky channel.
Speaker 3:Come on now, star versus star, versus the forces of evil. If you want to go for, like my kids, or Star, it's like Starfire, like I'm just saying, exactly, exactly star platinum. See, no, no, that's different. Hey man, different Jojo's, a whole different thing. Don't do that.
Speaker 2:I.
Speaker 4:Still need to watch that.
Speaker 3:You need to? Yeah, come on watch it, but no, for real, like I just can't everybody name is joe.
Speaker 2:It's a family you gotta watch you'll find out.
Speaker 3:You'll find out when you watch it. They don't spend a long time on either. It's a quick explanation and you move on to the story, which I love. Got this, but for real, uh, it's just one of the things you can't. It's hard to roll in the battle with somebody who's named you can't respect. If you can't respect someone, you you can't battle with them. That does not happen. It never goes well. Somebody who's gonna die or get royally, royally messed up, and that's just what it is. It's just Can't do that. Like I have to have you have to have respect for each other and go in the battle. There was no way for that to happen. It just wasn't gonna happen. What's the weather put on top of that battle star and bucky's got his, had his star on his arm for the longest time. Why do that's just offensive now at this point, like you, just defensive, like Really the disrespect, bro, that's all the way.
Speaker 1:All right, other than that with Falcon and soldier. It was decent, like you know um what exactly gas, but it was.
Speaker 3:And I enjoyed it. I am actually enjoying watching it, considering the fact that we're on the time, it can. This one, this one, came out right after one of it, so it's like this is like another, like this was another mcu experimental series. Yeah, so this, this was a good experimental series, like I liked how this one went for itself.
Speaker 4:Do we need a? Do we need a captain america though? Yes, no, we don't. We need a captain america, captain marvel, captain universe, captain planet, man's too many people, everybody captain. We need some lieutenants captain, some majors, all right. So captain planet is the best plan. Captain plan is all right.
Speaker 1:Speaking of one division, that is the next topic right now, the very first mcu TV show, and honestly, this is where things were getting fairly good, like, especially with the build up with one division, to where, okay, guanda has made this um Alternate reality with within the hex and whatnot, trying to mine control everybody within. And it was like okay, everybody just pretend, you're just Mind your own business, you know going shopping, you know washing clothes, whatever, uh, civilians do, like I'm just gonna be in this house and I'm gonna pretend I have a Family going on and nobody bothered me, and blah, blah, blah, all the other shit, yeah yeah, yeah, one one division got me very interested on how it started off.
Speaker 3:Yeah so I can't believe it wait, not just that I'm talking about when we moved from first episode to second episode, but we we already did a real in-depth discussion into it, because I know this is just a recap, but it's still one of those ones that it really kind of got into me as far as the beginning intro, because you really had no idea where it was going along Until you started paying attention to, like, those little symbols that was happening. Right, you should have thought, yeah, the build up was excellent.
Speaker 1:It was. I like how it was going from. Okay, it was like 60s on sitcoms like 70s. Well, not exactly, because I think, um, in the 60s, 70, I don't know exactly when color was introduced back then.
Speaker 3:It was 60s. It was 60s to 70s.
Speaker 1:It went from 60s to 70s to 80s to 90s, okay, so it was kind of like that and even at one point where okay, when it started getting more modern, you can tell there was like Malcolm and middle references, modern things that were going on. Malcolm and middle references modern family references. The way they did the cameras working on that.
Speaker 1:I was digging it. So I kind of like how wonder basically was born her life around the tv shows she watched back when she was with uh, quick silver and her parents. Before you know that, start industries um, bomb, bomb, yeah, kind of yeah the attention to detail in each different genre was on point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why. That's why I'm saying that with wonder, because we're now in the territory to where, okay, this is fairly good, like, like I, it's hard to dislike At this point. It's hard to dislike them, uh I hate black and white stuff too.
Speaker 4:I swear the only thing, black and white are watching to sound the music and I was like, no, I'll, I'll debate them. I'm not watching for a long time just because of the black.
Speaker 3:I like black and white shows my mom's all the time. Andy Griffin show Beverly Hillbilly's. Like I watched that ship my mom.
Speaker 1:I enjoyed it look With me and my um birth father. I would do it for westerns and I would do it for old samurai films like the kurosawa definitely, definitely, yes, most definitely.
Speaker 3:I agree with same for me, with my mom too. My mom loved westerns, an old school where you couldn't put their mouths moving and the words came afterwards.
Speaker 4:I hate that. I hate that too. I'm very particular about my art and um in in that. I just couldn't do that.
Speaker 1:I mean in today's time. Yeah, I can understand that, but uh, for a for it to be a product of its time. I'm like I'll let y'all have this, because y'all were a product of your time back then. So sure. I'm like, okay, I'll let y'all have this, but in today's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but other than that with wonder vision. Uh, I did kind of like how they tried to um include Edmund Peters version of quick sober back into the fold. Maybe it was like that first indication that x-men was going to be a thing, but it was like, oh, it was Ralph boner, I actually, and I was like, oh, that's a troll move that they made. And, uh, of course, our girl, monica, um, finally get her powers, so to speak. Um, in there, pretty good, yeah, like I was digging wonder vision before the most part, yeah, uh, anybody else got anything on wonder vision before we move forward?
Speaker 3:No, not really. I've already said so much during that major diagnosis, like what we were really diving into it. I love the symbolism.
Speaker 1:Oh, man, that was our second episode, by the way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, major symbolisms, a lot of those little moments into it. The only thing that I really wish because they actually made some of those real stuff Some people, fans actually made those little diet, those little ads that they had from all the Not god almighty, what was it? Villain, groups, navy, they're not season, can't remember but um Always kept making all those little different symbols and stuff. All the, all the different tools like the watches and stuff. There's people that actually made those. You can actually go buy them, um, so that's pretty cool how they were able to do that. One division was one that it purposely took you for a ride. We had no idea what they were doing, we had no idea what was going to happen, and then when we finally got there, it was fantastic, like they did a fantastic job on, like Really kind of getting into, because people was like you got to watch one division, like it got real quick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was like first one, where he's like, oh, yeah, like okay, okay and then okay, other than that, we wanted vision, pretty good, and he would get to the next one, uh, moon night. Now I'm gonna be honest with you, Moon night fall into the same thing with miss marvel as far as being formulaic, and Same thing with one division and falcon and soldier, but at least with the last two parts, the last two titles that I mentioned, they did in a way to where I can't even be mad at them for it. And with moon night now we're back to the bullshit, to where, okay, uh, moon night started up pretty strong at first and then at the end it felt like they were rushing to have this Grand gesture at the end, with the whole Susan oh Kaiju fight going on. But other than that, I really enjoyed uh fucking, uh, steven slash. Uh, fucking, jake slash.
Speaker 1:I forgot the other. Uh, yeah, I forgot the other guy. It was like the main dude. Uh, I think it was like mark or something. But uh, anybody got any thoughts on moon night?
Speaker 3:to be honest. No, I haven't actually seen moon night and I was never really a big moon night fan. Not so much that like I didn't like it, it's just the fact that it was kind of Complicated, like it felt well, a bit too complicated for me.
Speaker 1:On how it worked out, oh yeah, uh, to be fair y'all, moon night came out like, uh, the dark course of the mcu to where essentially it was supposed to be, like the Standout in a way, to where it's not even part of the current mcu. So it's not that it's not canon, it is more like there's just no place for in the current mcu timeline of things. But I really think moon night is just supposed to serve as Um someone who's going to eventually show up when the midnight suns Form up. You know where the midnight suns have, moon night, uh, wolverine, ghost writer, dr Strange, and A whole bunch, you know. You know, like, just as we dark but more reverberating of it, um, that's what the midnight suns are um.
Speaker 1:It's like a setup for that, essentially.
Speaker 3:For me personally, this is one of the few times that dc wind up getting the wind for me on this one. At the same time Moon night came out was the same time that sandman had dropped, like dc sandman had dropped, and that one was really good. I was watching that with my wife, so that I guess to me onto that one, but it's not that I wouldn't say it wasn't good, it wasn't bad. I really did not like watch moon night. The only thing that I don't bear enough, the only thing I do Is relations with, like the defense, with the defenders on, like in mcu and as far as the comics, how he reacts with luke cage and with um spider-man and stuff, and the most thing he most well known for is the fact that we have a schizophrenic anti-hero.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:Is that what now he?
Speaker 2:has the social identity disorder.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, so obviously just out, like I'm not a big thing from moon night, I don't really know as much as him. No, no, no, okay, see, I'm sorry, I don't really have much to say on that. We see this intergalactically known Professor tuc have anything to say.
Speaker 4:Yes, you do have to say the intergalactically known part no, I'm got nothing on there, I didn't even watch it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:I thought it was Honestly what I thought was great in the storytelling about it. That was great was you had no idea If what he was experiencing was real or not right because he has An actual mental condition and his mental condition is it's brought on by extreme amount of stress and if you look at his life, his life is extremely stressful. The things he went through as a child were extremely stressful, which is why he ended up creating, uh, the separate personalities like mark specter and steven granite.
Speaker 1:That's yeah, it was marked Okay.
Speaker 2:So that's why it's kind of like moon night was actually one of my favorites, uh, along with wandavision, because they both have something in common where we're watching superheroes lose their god-gown minds, where we're watching them experience human traumatic events and how it shapes them and their powers. It was, honestly, I thought moon night was really great. Of course, I do agree, until towards the end it felt really uh, rushed. I wish we would have gotten a moon night movie. I felt like that should have been A movie instead of a series, which is how I felt a lot of the series, but I thought moon night overall Was pretty great. I loved egyptian history. I love horus, um, I love the egyptian gods. I thought they were, uh, not as well as them, but they were amazing. So I thought also.
Speaker 1:I also like uh leila and her uh transition to become the scarlet scarab.
Speaker 2:Yes nice.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm gonna check it out, because you know how I am, as far, like me and fantasy club president, I love all types of history. I love the egyptian gods and, um, like that entire, the entire plethora of, uh, mythos with the egyptian gods is like fantastic, oh yeah. So I'm gonna check out to kind of see into that, because I like removing myself and marvel because marvel obviously does not Do good with mythos they do their own versions of it in order to make all of them exist in the same Universe, because there's different mythos into things like how it's believed that the egyptian gods were. It like there's different versions into it how some people believe that the egyptian gods were originally the roman gods, um, or the greek gods, and what happened was is that they were trying to escape their own ragnarok version coming to them. So what they did was that they fled to. They fled to a southern land which was supposed to be africa and then became the egyptian guys. There they donned a special mask on to cover their faces, which is why it is that all the egyptian gods are and have animal faces and stuff and Like a whole different thing into it.
Speaker 3:But they tried to make it that that's what it was within us like. No, that couldn't have happened, because egyptian guys came before great guys and there's like a whole thing into it love, mythology, so I don't know. Moonlight is supposed to be very big into that, like he gets his powers from Egyptian gods, so that's going to be a thing itself too. So I'm gonna check it out. You got me, sold me, or jane, you got me, yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, yeah, because with moon night this we're now in I'd recommend territory to where Wonder vision, um was the first one where I would say, like I would highly recommend you watch wonder vision if you have it, but y'all seeing it, so I didn't have to tell y'all. But, yeah, if you haven't seen moon night. Now we're at the point where I would recommend um, this shit. Now the next one, dr Strange 2. Now I say dr Strange 2 because, even though it has some of its issues, but Because of its significance to the mcu going forward, yeah, um, it has to be ranked a little higher than what you would think. I would put it Like, honestly, I would say, if it didn't have like a significant uh significance to, um, what's going to happen in the uh, multiverse saga, I would have put it Maybe right after falcon and soldier like right behind wonder vision. Honestly, um, but it has more significance to where I'm like, okay, I'll give it more points than that.
Speaker 3:Multiverse and madness was one of the most crucial movies. These four mcu lore Now put it in that aspect. Now, granted, was it the best one? No, obviously we didn't put it. We did not put it at the very top of the. I wouldn't put it on very top of my list either. So I agree into that, but the fact of Marvel announcing they now have canonical rights and putting it in this movie, and then answering the big question, dr Strange said he looked over all these different possibilities and only saw one that worked, and that's if toni had died. And so it's like Was that really the only solution you saw? And we finally got the big question answered. No, it was not. It was what he is like yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, we just had to do it. You know we have to sacrifice Tony and Natasha and good morning. It was all necessary, you know but it was not.
Speaker 3:But then also Finally actually giving Wanda a really good Moment in the movie as well too, because a lot of people, like people who are not into the comics, don't really know the fact that, yes, even in the comics Wanda's powers she was confused for a lot of different things. Like Spider-Man, for a moment of time, was confused as a mutant. So there's some canon where he continues on. They just say that he's a mutant. And then there's some canon that, um, he's, he denies it and things like that. So he was like for a lot of times.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of these superheroes get confused for different things because their powers and how they get their powers is so closely related to other people. That is like Like other factors of heroes that you just like, oh okay, this might be a thing type of thing. So most of you don't really understand the fact of Wanda's powers as the witch that she is. Is that, yes, she was supposed to be the wife of the great destroyer, so that she was blessed with this power, specifically to be the gateway of ultimate Anybody else got any thoughts on Dr String?
Speaker 2:No, I think Coco Goss is something that up pretty. We touched on my girl, wanda. So that's all that matters. She's the best, she beats. It's all that matters to me.
Speaker 1:Speaking of which, the way she washed the fucking woman on the end of that ultimate universe, god damn, that was just you mean the no effort deaths.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:No effort there was, like the fact that she beat, like, honestly, black bolt is such a broken character.
Speaker 1:It's realness, it's voice I'm like I'm like bro, mr Fantastic, you really Bumble that one, bro. It was like, did you really have on? Bro? Like like hey, man, my bro black bull here. All you have to do just whisper something to you and you're finished. And I'm like really Gonna be really hard to do anything with no mouth.
Speaker 3:Bro, if you ain't told no troops like that's me the biggest thing, like I love that, that was a big shot, and how we do a lot of movies like that and a lot of tea, like all superhero shows, do the same thing. I'm gonna announce what my attack does before I do it. Give you time to come up with a counter attack. She can warp reality, bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, that's why I like about Wanda to where she was smart enough to actually take advantage of that. Oh, whoa shit. Well, can't do anything with a mouth now.
Speaker 3:Oh whoa damn, I didn't know she can do that and look, the dumbest thing about this I don't have a mouth. And he's sitting here like, and he winds up saying something Hmm, you can hear what he's mumbling, where did my mouth go? And then blows his head off because, right, your own Weapon, bounce back. And she's like roll away, oh.
Speaker 1:Like see, yeah, I thought the strange to have some dumb moments, but for the most part it was actually all.
Speaker 3:Like. I like that. I like the point where Wanda shows up Against like not just Sorcerer Supreme, but literally against all the other Sorcerers in the Academy and everyone is scared out there, mine, they're like she's coming. The great witch destroyers on the way. We have to prepare, we have to fortify our defenses.
Speaker 1:We're not hold on, hold on so that, so that tentacle creature that you sicked on, the girl, that was you.
Speaker 3:I'm like, yeah, that was me being reasonable, that was her being reasonable, ladies and gentlemen, that part that part, and then, of course, it was great that we got a chance to see her, to get a chance to see a new hero, her powers not really utilized as much you can do more than just hop dimensions Like. I'm hopeful that they'll give more of her Explanation and more of what her powers actually can be and what they actually can do, because it's way more than just hopping dimensions. This is making is being able to bend those other realities into whatever reality that she wants to like. She's not too broken because she doesn't fully understand her own powers yet, but once she does, it becomes a very, very big thing into itself. But this one, and then also we finally got to see evil. Strange, I do wish we got a chance to get a little bit more of him With the dark hole, got a hold of him and stuff and like, really help warp. It really warped his mind, but other than that it was still pretty good though.
Speaker 1:Well, I wouldn't say like as far as live-action, evil strange yeah, you probably would have been great we have more of him. But Speaking of warping reality and alternate realities and an evil doctor, strange Marvel, what if? Keep in mind that, um, what if is in you can and but with all these different possibilities of what could have happened in the MCU Kind of brings things into the question like how they had the whole zombie episode and the time when kill monger and they're killing on Tony Stark and got the infinity stones and all that I thought was a very interesting Concept where they are adding something to it. It was. It kind of felt like super driving ball heroes, but it was Super kind of like. You know, like I'm sorry, I'm kind of I'll bring for it for a moment, but point being, I did enjoy the episode. In fact, season two just came out. I'm gonna go ahead and give that a watch, but anybody else got any thoughts on season one of what if?
Speaker 3:I'm going first enough, like come on, mirror Jane, come on, I'm gonna go into major, major, major, major major major, major major, major major, major collectively.
Speaker 3:No professor Go ahead and go in so I can go in later. I want a grand entrance to squash everything. Oh my gosh, I'm honestly I'm not even gonna go into major into each episode Because we've already done that one Possibilities, and I like in the fact that it's like we always ask the question, and obviously my favorite episode being this what if Ultron won that battle? And you don't realize how. That deadly old fun.
Speaker 1:The fact that Ultron became so powerful. He saw the water watching him and I was like a what's up exactly Exactly, but it's so.
Speaker 3:It's like it does a great in these little roundabout stories. What I like about what if, is the same reason I like show these Netflix shows like black mirror, oat Studios If you haven't seen those on Netflix, I definitely encourage watching those on love, death and robots. Whereas, like, each episode is his own story that's not overly drawn out. Like we get a chance to get. We get the the beginning of this character's like not so much their life at the beginning of this character story from the show and we get the middle. We get a conclusion. Whether you like the conclusion or not, it just it leads into other questions and things like that, and then it finally ends like we get a full on in Just one episode.
Speaker 3:It doesn't read, it beat around the bush. We get everything that we need in watching it and then we're able to move on to a completely different story Inside of these, inside of the whole series. And so what if? It's wonderful, that gives you a chance to touch base on that to where it's not a continual series. Oh, we need to watch what happens next, only to watch what happens next. No, we've got the beginning middle conclusion. We've gotten it. And this is short story. It's like getting a book of short stories. Like you get these stories and you're like yo, I wonder what? What happens? They decided to continue. Like you get those questions and you could choose to go on or not, whatever the case may be. But now we're moving on to the next story and it gives a Really good feel round about and everything until any thoughts on it.
Speaker 1:Okay, alrighty. Moving on then to Now we're at the premium gas section of the base for review. Let's talk about spider-man no way home. And man, when I rolled out that theater watching our boys do it, I Was like it was. It was worth the wait. Like all the hype was worth it to me, in my opinion, to where we got this All-boy, toby and Andrew, in there fighting the center sir five. It was supposed to get center six with on venom, but we already talked about that in the solar review. But, man, listen, like it was Excellent.
Speaker 1:Like the, the references dog, so many references from past by men and comic. And, oh man, like they did fan service well in this movie. And even that part where, okay, mj is falling and then Tom Holland spider-man was able to catch her. But Andrew Garfield spider-man was able to catch her and I was like catharsis by proxies were oh yeah, you remember when he was the invocations going in amazing spider-man 2, but he was able to redeem himself in this movie. I was like oh yeah, oh yeah, oh, I was really digging this move. I was like I want to say it was either a 4.5 or straight up five star for me. I don't know if I gave it up a fifth of a rating on that. I don't think I why we would even do ratings back then but I would have gave it like 4.5 or 5 out of 5. I was feeling. I was really feeling them.
Speaker 3:What y'all got. I definitely give it a five on to that one man because like, yeah, it was one. So here's the first thing about it for me and I know I didn't really get a chance to talk about it as much because when you did the spider-man Review I didn't get a chance to really get into it because I didn't have a chance to go watch it. So it was like all right, so I wanted to have to stay off onto it. But, realistically, thing about it is I loved it because I Was confused at first.
Speaker 3:When I first, when we first got introduced to Tom Hollis fighter man, I was very confused. We had just gotten the second movie from Andrew Garfield and was like, hey, we got facts. And we were sitting here like, okay, amazing, spider-man 2 with Jamie Foxx, yo, this is pretty cool, this is gonna be pretty awesome. That's facts. And then we finally get this little jump in where it's like in captain in civil war, and it's like boom, we have spider-man shows up. One like yo, spider-man. And they hear the voice and I'm like that's not Andrew Garfield, wait, what is it? What is going on right now?
Speaker 3:And I was like so confused of why it is that we didn't have that and you know, finding out it's a whole contractual issue and because Sony still had rights to spider-man time and they found me when he finally had like Giving Marvel the chance to make a spider-man into MCU, because everyone's been asking for forever, of course, that they could not renew Andrew Garfield over. They had to actually get a whole new person. So it was like I didn't know how to feel about this. I was so upset, I was so sad, I was like no, no, why are we doing this? So, following Tom Holland as spider-man, I've grown to love him so much more. But you missed, totally. You missed Andrew Garfield. And then, come on, you loves indeed.
Speaker 1:Yes, the fact that will the fold came on to this shit and say yo, if I'm doing this shit, I need to do my own stunts. And he was fucking kneeling it with the performance and everything. Yeah, yes.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna be honest with you one, the also biggest thing you, doc, when he finally came back as well too, and then we got him, is Doc I got was like yes, because you know, you know it's the funniest thing. Remember how. Remember how famous doc, how famous doc was in spider-man soup. Y'all remember I'm taking y'all way back. Obviously, doctor after Goddapus, it was like man, we need him back. Oh, my gosh, we need him back. He did fantastically as doc. We need him. And then it was like yes, we're gonna bring him back. Who's like, yes, yeah, oh, it was so amazing.
Speaker 1:Remember the trailer went on, the trailer drop for the first time and then he rolled up at the end like hello.
Speaker 3:Right, I do, I remember. I remember the internet, the internet. Oh, there was so many people doing their reactions and it was jumping up out there, so it's like no see, no way home at that point.
Speaker 1:This is now the first entry in the MCU to where I'm like you know what, when something get over a hype like this, like Deadpool 3 is right now, when it gets over a hype like this, I'm like amen, after no way home, wolverine, I might have to believe it. Yeah, because they were like saying, oh, wolverine gonna be in there and I'm like a whole bunch of other people gonna be in there. I'm like, oh man, you know what? I'm gonna put it past them anymore. I'm like they might do it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, especially after you get the. Uh well, I know, came to conquerors dead. But especially when you get all the old G's in a movie, bro, like you get um, what's the name? Um, professor Xavier, you get that's. You know, professor, talk professor X. You know, like that was dope. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, I know I was saying my favorite scene with the spider webs. It was like what are those? There are web shooters. You know you don't use them and he just shoots his way about it. He's like that came out your arm.
Speaker 4:My favorite was the memes, the meme when, when they started pointing at each other.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:Oh wait, hold on.
Speaker 1:Hold on. I like the part when uh electro Finally figured out who, um, and you girl feels spider-man was like oh, you're a white kid, I'm like yeah, I'm like. Oh man, I thought you'd be black.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they posted the excellent job too. He added more depth to the character.
Speaker 1:But no, I like how that was. That felt like a wink towards oh, we might get up on Miles Morales and live acting.
Speaker 4:I wonder how they would do that like. Would it be like, uh, miles Morales from the animated, and they just like morph similar to how they was morphing and uh, across the spider-verse?
Speaker 1:will they just morph into a regular character in a different universe, or I mean Okay, to be fair with the way they did across the spider-verse, you might as well say those moves are mcu cannon now Um, second, all um, there is going to be like a spider-man 4 coming, like it's rumored. So if they do spider-man 4, I would feel like that would be the best time to pass it towards.
Speaker 3:Well since it was a fact for a long time. It was also supposed to be like there was. It was very promised that Andrew Garfield was finally going to get his third movie because literally, like Toby got a third movie, tom Holland got a third movie.
Speaker 3:But you know, all you got was amazing spider-man 2 and like yo what happened and honestly remember, keeping in mind as well too, when Toby was first introduced as um, I told you, when, uh, tom Holland was first introduced as spider-man. Remember there was a whole big uproar about spider-man, ps4, the video game, because I still have the original copy when spider-man looks just like Andrew Garfield. I did not know update that raised him and put a whole different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no listen, listen, cook, aghastu, listen. I have the ps5. I can get the upgrade if I want to. I refuse to get the upgrade.
Speaker 3:Exactly exactly.
Speaker 2:Was Andrew Garfield the best spider-man? No, so here's the thing.
Speaker 4:The old G spider-man toby maguire was the best spider-man.
Speaker 2:And I want you to understand his dance moves impeccable.
Speaker 3:Didn't uh, I don't know Didn't say we don't talk about that same.
Speaker 4:The best, the best spider-man period, and I don't even care. The best spider-man period was From across the spider version, bro, like I mean, I don't even know, I ain't gonna cap. I love spider-man. That's my favorite character in the MCU. So to speak, is really Iron man, but you know, as far as the best.
Speaker 1:What Hold on, mj, what you got.
Speaker 2:No, I was gonna say they have there's no way that across the universe and Spider-man aren't connected because you got to think about it. Childish Gambino or donald lover prowler, in Both bird. He plays it in homecoming and he also plays it because he plays Aaron davis in homecoming. Yeah and also plays prowler and Aaron davis in Spider-man.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that would be a way to. That would be a way to introduce um a live action, miles Morellis.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, like they could.
Speaker 3:They did kind of do it. No, I'm across the spider version. It was panning out when um One miles finally got a chance to go to society, the spider society, and see everything, and they started when I was talking about oh yeah, we have spider-man from video games, spider-man from things like that, so we had insomniac spider-man for them. If you paid attention to like the little clips that they would show. They showed tommy maguire and andrew garfield. They showed clips from their movies was also shown in that movie as well. Too brief.
Speaker 4:It's like. It's like um, there's a whole bunch of plot holes now, though, because All they got to do is a character dies. They could just pull another one from a different universe and it. Are you really dead right?
Speaker 1:It'll be like a rick and morty kind of situation where it's like, okay, let's bring in a new guy.
Speaker 2:I Mean the Loki kind of explains that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And, speaking of which, we need to go ahead and move this forward and conclude the phase for um. Well, as far as this segment, I'm gonna have more of the guests on to talk about their two cents on this whole thing, but the last on the list and we saved the best. The last um Vibe recommendation of Sight Time Smash. Let's talk about Loki greatest show in history.
Speaker 4:As far as character development, as far as like uh, popularity, it was dope, it was Not. I said everything up what?
Speaker 3:Because, then, the fact that Loki's the reasoning that all the multiverse shit, that because the fact that Loki wound up, like because of what happened to came to that came version of came in Loki Is the reason we had no way home happened because at the same time that those multiverses split was around the same time that, um, that Dr Strange wound up breaking the multiverse trying to help fix things for top, you know, for spider-man, and then I'm saying Tom homicide member, the actor's name, but so, but you know Peter Parker, and so is that the same time that Wanda started breaking things off and realizing of different other dimensions as well to it's a bunch of things on to that. So like, yeah, it became the reason that we now are entering the multiverse in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, uh, well, I'm gonna try to keep it um, um, because we're gonna talk about season two separately in a review. But, um, I believe um season one was my phase four and season two is more like phase five. But I want to say that it's not the events, doesn't really. It wasn't a really big time gap between those two. But, point being, with um season one it was very interesting to where you get to see.
Speaker 1:Oh, pretty much like what um Miguel Herrera had going on with the spider society and across the spider versus tba.
Speaker 1:It says we oversees the quote-unquote canon events that goes on in the mcu and Loki, pretty much um joins on as a intern or Very, you know the deal with that and his first case was to track down a version of him that's trying to take down the tba.
Speaker 1:And you get to see that apparently all the people that is at the tba Were variants that was plucked from their um perspective universes to pretty much serve as as officers and whatnot in the tba. This whole mystery is going on. And you get to meet kandiclock, or well, he who remains, and he explains that pretty much everything that happened and will happen, he foreseen it all and yeah, so All that just pretty much put into perspective for how some things that happen in the background can have significant effects in the bigger picture of things. So, even though I won't say too much, but the way Season two ended, you would think that everything that happens from this point forward, in a sense Loki is watching over all of us the entire time and I find that beautiful, like especially the way it ended, like the way he had like his hero moment. But what y'all got for a loki?
Speaker 3:I mean professor tuc definitely said that, like that, story development was very gold onto that and that I have to fully agree on to that, of course, like character development, how he was able to see hopping between previous movies, the fact that they were able to like, even help make a canon to the point that the infinity stones are worthless Inside the time, outside of the particular universes, which is a very big thing. Even um death battle wound up using that as proof when they wanted to do ethanol versus um. What was it than those versus dark side in their little battle? And they were able to help use that as proper proof of the fact that the infinity stones are only Valley in their universe and nowhere else it was. It was obviously was used in death battle. That itself tells you how much people enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just the fact that they were used as paperweights was hilarious.
Speaker 1:MJ. Uh, you got anything you want to add on to bloke.
Speaker 2:No, I just thought it was funny that the way they used the infinity stones as paper was was absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 1:Oh, shoot Um. Come with the wind, I did not notice.
Speaker 4:Hold up, hold up so there's two. Okay oh my god, they got Thanos snapped.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's crazy. Like really we have down by half, uh, um.
Speaker 4:You got Thanos now, but it's cool. Hey, 50% of the population must go you know, what I mean.
Speaker 3:Now we got a bunch of resources.
Speaker 1:Then again, I can understand that we kind of overestimated a little bit with this one, but for the most part, yeah, it's understandable that we're low key. Um has such a significant place in the mcu, then Of course it's gonna be on the best for last, yeah. So, with that being said, uh, we're gonna work out these technical issues and get some more guests on. But, tuc, I do thank you for being on with me. Uh, cook, got to uh mirror jane, I'm sorry the technical difficulties happen or whatever y'all had going on, but, with that being said, we're gonna go into intermission while I get these other guests on. So Give me one moment.
Speaker 1:Oh, we forgot to talk about shang chi and the legend of the ten rings, my bad. Uh, I'm gonna be honest with you. I thought it was Okay, all right, like no complaints, but it was like kind of forgettable for me. But koku gaasu Wanted to give it some fair justice where the athras and athras did fantastic. The mural that they used for his story alone was handmade for the movie. That was not cgi. They paid someone to make that the story could be followed and we had a true villain being manipulated by great evil, and koku gaasu was saying that he wished that we could have gotten the king pan man Mandarin. That exists in the comics.
Speaker 1:But you know it is with the mcu. They're going on cut corner, so it is what it is. So Instead of being like mid tier, I would say I bump it up to about Pretty good, pretty good. If I were to give it a rating I would say like four out of five stars. Yeah, yeah, I feel good about that. I mean it was good, but I guess I'm just not in my opinion. He's like just something about, just like just something. Just if there was just something that Grip me, and about that movie maybe. But I don't know, I don't know. But yeah, just closing out the mcu phase four recap. We're going to do phase five individually Sometime this year, hopefully, but you already know, until the next episode, stay nerdy, take it easy.