Have you ever caught yourself wondering if Santa's sleigh has liability insurance? Today, I take a nostalgic trip back to the holiday special "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer," examining the quirky Spankenheimer family and Santa's role as the ultimate behavior moderator. With the help of Kokuyasu and Professor Tuck, we peel back the layers of this Christmas classic, sharing personal anecdotes and diving into the complex dance of instilling joy and truth during the holiday season. We explore how varying cultural and economic backgrounds shape the way parents approach the tale of Santa Claus, and whether the man in red should come with a disclaimer.
Grandma's unfortunate reindeer incident leads us to a broader conversation about holiday film traditions and the sometimes-flawed logic that accompanies them. The episode takes a humorous turn as we dissect the outlandish plot points of the movie, from the concept of Santa behind bars to Cousin Mel's nefarious fruitcake scheme. We also reflect on the sentimental value of traditions, drawing parallels between our beloved films and the heartfelt story of "Up," where the true worth of memories often outshines materialistic gain.
To cap off our festive gathering, we ponder the impact of old technology on classic films and animations as they shift into the digital era, noting how nostalgia can tint our view of these cultural artifacts. We discuss the trend of converting songs into movies, musing over the hit-and-miss nature of such endeavors. Concluding with a holiday rating that blends a critical eye with a dose of seasonal cheer, we send warm wishes to all our listeners, encouraging everyone to hold on to that nerdy and frosty spirit. Join us for a celebration of the holiday's most heartwarming—and occasionally head-scratching—moments.
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Have you ever caught yourself wondering if Santa's sleigh has liability insurance? Today, I take a nostalgic trip back to the holiday special "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer," examining the quirky Spankenheimer family and Santa's role as the ultimate behavior moderator. With the help of Kokuyasu and Professor Tuck, we peel back the layers of this Christmas classic, sharing personal anecdotes and diving into the complex dance of instilling joy and truth during the holiday season. We explore how varying cultural and economic backgrounds shape the way parents approach the tale of Santa Claus, and whether the man in red should come with a disclaimer.
Grandma's unfortunate reindeer incident leads us to a broader conversation about holiday film traditions and the sometimes-flawed logic that accompanies them. The episode takes a humorous turn as we dissect the outlandish plot points of the movie, from the concept of Santa behind bars to Cousin Mel's nefarious fruitcake scheme. We also reflect on the sentimental value of traditions, drawing parallels between our beloved films and the heartfelt story of "Up," where the true worth of memories often outshines materialistic gain.
To cap off our festive gathering, we ponder the impact of old technology on classic films and animations as they shift into the digital era, noting how nostalgia can tint our view of these cultural artifacts. We discuss the trend of converting songs into movies, musing over the hit-and-miss nature of such endeavors. Concluding with a holiday rating that blends a critical eye with a dose of seasonal cheer, we send warm wishes to all our listeners, encouraging everyone to hold on to that nerdy and frosty spirit. Join us for a celebration of the holiday's most heartwarming—and occasionally head-scratching—moments.
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Art Nerds. It's time for another episode of the Zone Podcast. It's Jet Black Extreme. I'm joined by Kokuyasu and Professor Tuck. And part of the holiday special, the holiday spirit let's talk about Grandma Got Runward by a reindeer. And what I'll further do is go ahead and zone in on this one, so I will stick along with the inner circle. Think about what's something that we can review for Christmas, just one of those spirit things. And I was like thinking you know what? I remember Grandma Got Runward by a reindeer. Let's talk about that one. And I was thinking like I kind of like that as a kid, but that's the thing that was with my kid brain, with my adult brain. I was like, oh my God, this shit did not age. Well, I mean, it's not terrible. So I was looking at the shit like I ain't like this shit as a kid. Okay, let me explain. So the whole premise is oh Tuck, just be honest, he'll probably jump off. Let's see what's going on.
Speaker 3:Yes, can you write back.
Speaker 1:Okay, so with this movie TV special. Was that TV special? Because I don't think it was. It laughed at long and also it was never really in theater, so can we even call it movie.
Speaker 3:I mean it could be a straight. It was a straight to DVD film. Like it was one of those Cartoon Network movies that came on, like when it came on it was a because there's a short story about it. It didn't happen at all. I don't like the movie. The movie's a whole kind of different take on that story. But so I would say more like a Cartoon Network special, you could say that. But you can actually buy. Well, for a while you could buy the DVD. I don't think you can anymore now.
Speaker 1:But yeah, but anyways, with this whole premise of this movie, grandma was going out, she had to get her medication and next thing, you know, she got run over by Santa's Lake and there was this whole backstory. It was like immediate rest, where the movie started out at the middle of the film to where they had to backtrack a little bit. They get ready for Christmas season and whatnot, and you have I'm sorry, I was thinking about the name you have you have the Spankenheimers who the fuck gave up on those names? You have Jake Spankenheimer. He is one of those kids that's like believed by Santa Claus, and that was the one thing nowadays like. Here's my thing who gets to your father? Do you let your kids believe in Santa Claus?
Speaker 3:That's kind of a big debatable thing in my household, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the thing. At this point, it's like, hey, 2023, do you? Even tell them anymore.
Speaker 3:Here's the thing. I understand the point of it. I really think it frees your own that's the only thing I can say into that, because our household is a little different. What we don't our household, what we don't do is that we don't use the ideology of Santa Claus as, oh, you got to be good in order to get gifts, or to get the best gifts and stuff, and your gifts determine based on how your behavior is. Because me and my wife have grown up where we've like we never really grew up believing in Santa, but we have known people who did and have struggled in their life, just like we have.
Speaker 3:And these kids have literally done everything they were supposed to do in school, top of their class, but because their parents were like low-income families and struggling.
Speaker 3:Because you know, that's just how racism has always been for the longest time, and so it's like we're dominantly ghetto neighborhoods.
Speaker 3:Low-income neighborhoods would be like you don't get much, you don't get much money, and so they would try to get some of the latest stuff and they couldn't get the latest things, like these little items that would be like, oh cool, I got something for Christmas.
Speaker 3:But then the kids who was like badasses, who was always fucking up in class doing whatever because their parents were rich, could get whatever. They got the brand new Xbox, got a brand new PlayStation and it's like, damn, like, am I not being good? Like were they being good behind the scenes or some shit, like it's just one of those things where it's like it ruins kids' thought processes when you try to put that little point into it. It only works if those kids are around, the same kids who have the same type of families, who make the same amount of income, who don't have family problems, because Lord God forbid that they have. They split and you have a Christmas at mama's house and Christmas at daddy's house, and then, oh, I got double gifts, type shit. And so when you double, good, no, it was bad as hell because of the mental trauma.
Speaker 1:Like you know what. It gets even more fucked when the parents split and they're trying to weaponize the children against each other. To where, oh, I bought them this shit that they're gonna like me better than you.
Speaker 3:Exactly and all it does is fuck up the kids even more. So the thing about it is that use of Santa Claus is it's been so horribly used. It's just like nah, nah. Like I tell my kids about the true story of St Nick, about the actual dude, and they actually have the story of you can actually watch. I think the special is on Netflix.
Speaker 3:I think it's called Clouse is actually what it's called about the old man who wound up.
Speaker 3:He lost his daughter, he lost his wife, and the way he does is that he actually makes gifts for all the little kids that was in his town and the story of him doing so trying to help out because most of the people in that town were very poor and was dealing with high taxation and shit, so he would make toys for kids so that way they could have something and stuff like that. Like I tell my kids the real story that happened hundreds of years ago, like a long, long fucking time ago, and that's the story of Santa Claus that they use is because, based off of this guy, that's the story that I tell my kids. Now I do have one kid who she truly believes that Santa's real. We went to the mall they had to do dress up as Santa and we went to do pictures and she, ever since then, she's like. Santa Claus is real I've seen him, but my eldest son, he's like that was just a dude in a costume. He's not real.
Speaker 1:Nah, like I think your son just pulled up a crystal from my own throat and it's like I'm gonna tell her.
Speaker 3:This thing. This is so funny and shit. Like I asked my son specifically, I said so. I was like I'm just curious, why don't you believe in Santa? And he's like. He literally looked at me and he said do you buy me presents or does he buy me presents? And I had that face that I was like like you're not wrong, man. You're not wrong, bruh, I'm sitting here like.
Speaker 1:Are you going to lie to the boy or?
Speaker 3:are you not standing on business? You're standing on business, I'm not. So it's like how do you feel about your kids possibly believing in Santa Claus? It's tough. You have a daughter too. Like I told I wanted to say this is the thing in my household. That's kind of back and forth, because me and my wife have struggled. People have used the Santa Claus thing. It'd be like, oh, if you behave and you get gifts. But we've been around people who were badasses that will always get whatever the fuck they wanted, and we would be like the best behave and we would get nothing because we had low income families and it's like Santa Claus is bullshit.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 3:So it's like you know.
Speaker 2:I'm in between. I want my daughter to believe in magic yeah, Not necessarily a Santa.
Speaker 3:Claus, that a white man coming down to a chimney at night. Are you talking?
Speaker 1:about some hairy partnership.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got you. I know exactly what you think.
Speaker 2:Elvis Dumbledore is the greatest headmaster that Hogwarts has ever seen. But I don't want her to believe in magic so deeply that she tries to become the imminent since Shadow. Though this is true, this is true.
Speaker 3:We're not trying to arm ourselves to go to some bad magical world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I want her to believe in a magic Christmas, not necessarily Santa Claus. She's starting to not believe, though, because she'd be like don't parents get the presents? I'm like, no, I say no, santa Claus get the presents. Now, daddy do get some presents, but Santa Claus take care of it for the most part.
Speaker 3:See, yeah, that's just not what we do in our household, is like we don't specifically is one of those things, especially also because, in fact, like my mother in law yeah, I already know how I feel about her Anyway, she is very hot, she's a very prideful woman. Specifically, she literally writes on the package from grandma or stuff like that. Like it's very specific, if you got something, I got it for you, type of thing. Like that's just like how you was talking about Tucker's you was gone, but like how he was talking about JB and weaponizing, yeah, like she is that woman, Unfortunately.
Speaker 1:So it's like yeah, I was talking about how is it like one up a presence and stuff?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like how?
Speaker 1:split up and I bought them. That present on like I bought them appears by me. You did it, so they'll like me better.
Speaker 3:It's not even so. I mean. I kind of do that a little bit. I do it in my head, though Only in my head. Think about it Before the lights went out.
Speaker 2:I was sitting on my daughter, plus station for like get down on fort night. And there you go, all the game. See, I set up a PlayStation profile.
Speaker 3:That's just being a good dad. That's the difference in that one. But anyway, I literally I'm trying to see if I don't even like fort night, but my son, he's all into it, he's all in trying to figure out now because all his friends playing.
Speaker 1:So I'm just like. I'm just like he always like oh the new update was good.
Speaker 3:If you see it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's got like a little. I don't know if you play apex before.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, the Apex got that little. You know the holidays train. Yeah that's what a fortnight got. Now they got a train that goes around the mouth.
Speaker 3:Okay, sounds interesting. Yeah, but yeah, but no, it's just one of those things. It's just like I Got it just depends on how you use it. That's the only thing into it, because my mother-in-law likes to weaponize it against me and my wife For some weird reasons, like what I got you, I got the grandkids this, this, this boy Did you get your kids? And it's like, why would you do this? Just let the kids be happy to get you, like fuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hold here than down. In those situations you can just say oh, we went to the soup kitchen, we served the homeless. I wanted to make sure they knew how to give back. Do you give back? The problem is she doesn't.
Speaker 3:She only doesn't now because she has to. She signed up for she wound up arm swearing into a sorority, so now she's like. She's so frustrated she always hates it. I'm listening here like so why would you do this? You hate it. A sorority, yeah.
Speaker 2:A sorority.
Speaker 3:Yep in her old age.
Speaker 2:She decided like Around like 40, 50 late 50. Oh.
Speaker 1:I just like how it was like.
Speaker 2:You know I'm not trying, you know I'm not saying that like you know me. Just it's some stuff that happens at certain ages.
Speaker 3:Holy fraternity. It's a very, it's a very holy Christian based fraternity. Don't worry oh.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see Sorority okay.
Speaker 3:I feel like I had to cleanse your mind on this.
Speaker 2:The church sorority. Okay, that makes me.
Speaker 3:I thought you're talking about like Anyway, but no, it's like as far as like believing into Santa Claus, it just really, it just kind of depends like it's one of those things is like how it works out. It's one of the things that we just don't want our kid like for me and my wife. We don't want our kids to have the expectation that, oh, you only get stuff if you behave well and it depends on your behavior when they're seeing other kids get stuff that not supposed to Like. My daughter comes home from school every day complaining about this one boy, david, who's always doing something every single day. He didn't get some trouble for doing something, just probably he, he probably got stuff going on at home. I don't know, it's just one of those things. I'm just trying to reassure him like, look, you know, stuff happens. I'm sorry that he wanted to have him trouble and it because I want those ones that like, unfortunately, when the situation happened with me and my ex, my oh my eldest son, that was him. He was the bad kid in class, that was.
Speaker 3:I kept getting phone calls with him doing some shit and I'm always like, bro, what the hell man, and it sucks. It sucks being that parent, so it's like I don't want to judge, but then let's also think about this aspect here too. So this boy, david's doing all type of nonsense and shit. My daughter gets a couple stuff, but she doesn't get everything that she wants. She's not going through this year, that's just what it is. And then David's like, oh, I got this and this and this and this, and he got everything that she wanted. How's she gonna feel, santa? Why you give him this shit? Was not me, was I not behaving more like I was supposed to and he acting up? Why?
Speaker 1:this you for faking me fan.
Speaker 3:Look look, I was just on instagram.
Speaker 2:We don't feel the force of story.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, this is that one?
Speaker 2:You know what?
Speaker 3:This is a little villain origin story because literally what happened was is that this boy? Apparently he wrote a letter to Santa. He's like uh, dear Santa, so I got a problem because I was two things I requested and you only gave me one. So, um, I need you to like re-up me on that second one, I'm assuming it was a mistake. So, you know, you got a week to fix that. Bro, I was gonna be a problem. And then the parents, pretending to be Santa, had a specialized typed up note with the little decorations around it and everything that was supposed to have been delivered in the mail gave it to the son. It's like, hey, you know, times is hard. Sometimes no things get what you want. It was pretty expensive, you know. So this is kind of all you got, right, this is what we got. Right now Be happy, grateful that you got what you got. And then the boy responded back Uh, dear Santa, I don't know why the fuck you take about times as hard when you got slave elves making everything inside your workshop.
Speaker 2:Everybody of the bulldog, bro Riley, writing the Santa, dear Santa, you will be.
Speaker 3:You've been a wet you out.
Speaker 1:Dear mister, I'm too good, just give me all the good gifts.
Speaker 3:Bro, the story literally ends in the fact that Santa apparently Santa convinced the parents that to take back the one gift that he had got, that he had requested, and so he responds back. So he responds back. You said that was some, that was some dirty shit that you did, santa, I next year, and be prepared, your cookie's gonna be poisoned. I hope you die, your fat fuck. No, he literally types up dear fatty at the top and I'm like, yes, sir, you're talking about Dylan or origin story for real, bro.
Speaker 3:I was like, oh my god, I was like this is why you got this is a prime example of how not to use Santa, because obviously your kid did not need to believe in Santa. Actually, then again, it probably was better that he believed in Santa, because he probably did that shit to the parents. So I don't know your kid therapy, bro.
Speaker 2:I don't know. That's what I'm saying your kid need therapy.
Speaker 1:They type it like that they rocking like that.
Speaker 2:Hold on, hold on, but it's something going on.
Speaker 3:Exactly. But then the thing about is come sit here and you posted this on social media. You just let everybody know what your kid do. That's fast. Watch all of a sudden is gonna be. He's gonna be a sequel. Max got ran over by a reindeer fat, that's cool.
Speaker 1:The Prince of pipeline, ain't no joke about right, yo, uh, speaking of the speaking, of speaking, of getting run over by reindeer, I kind of want to get back on the main topic here real quick, because, um, there's another thing I want to. Let's be honest with you. It's like we're not going to really give you the whole play by play. It's like either you seen or you have. It's one of those reviews where let's cut the bullshit Just talk.
Speaker 2:That's a really true movie, it's a really true.
Speaker 1:So so, that's all we're gonna watch it every Christmas, just about all right.
Speaker 3:So I used to know the beard. I used to, but not not so much nowadays that one, and the night before christmas gotta get it in gear. I gotta watch.
Speaker 2:I, if I don't watch elf and christmas story, bro, it's not a good. It's not a good holiday.
Speaker 3:I don't do that. Don't curse yourself like that. But I just always remember I ran over by reindeer every year to the Not on my.
Speaker 2:I think it's like a random playlist for me.
Speaker 1:It's like I'll put on something different christmas late every year, but it's like sometimes be some of the classics, or sometimes like some new shit I found out, like especially some shit that just came out for the christmas season.
Speaker 2:So it's like oh, oh, so, oh for so christmas all mart movies, bro, and Not the free farm, formerly abc family.
Speaker 3:25 days of christmas for so, without a saddle of a doubt, the first thing I do with the season though.
Speaker 2:I listen to the temptation silent night.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's the.
Speaker 2:Christmas season.
Speaker 3:I gotta give it one christmas movie that I would normally see.
Speaker 1:For christmas. Oh, y'all know this christmas with um Chris brown, yeah.
Speaker 2:Chris brown oh, lord yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I would see that like. Boy, that's so funny, Well, yeah, that's a good movie.
Speaker 3:I think that one thing my wife also is like a big on snow day. Yeah, what you like to like snow day, yeah. To that one too Say yeah, okay, but back into the movie, Okay.
Speaker 1:So Wait, what's that? You got something to? No, I was gonna ask who's your favorite character from the movie.
Speaker 2:Like grandma, got ran over by reindeer.
Speaker 1:Okay, so favorite character? Oh, it's hard to say, if I have a favorite Root off go ahead.
Speaker 2:Grandpa. Yeah, grandpa is a hard second for me, for me Rudolph.
Speaker 3:Rudolph knew that I was gonna go next second.
Speaker 2:Rudolph had a destination.
Speaker 3:He smelled him. He smelled that good food and he was like he said hold on On site dude for reindeer.
Speaker 1:He was the most on site dude.
Speaker 3:Oh, you can't blame the reindeer. So he said he didn't like shit. I got away with murder, can't blame me.
Speaker 1:I'm like you can't arrest a reindeer like a reindeer that doesn't abide by the same laws.
Speaker 3:He was like I think that most got me is the fact that I didn't make national news that they arrested Santa Claus and put him on top.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's, that's the one thing I wanted to talk about. How, how is it that, yeah, he's in jail but nobody's like Talking about? Oh, santa's real, even though During the first half, the first act of the movie, they were like calling Jake crazy for believing in Santa Claus, even Jake going as far as emailing Santa at Santa Claus the real. But, uh, I still want to. They find out Santa Claus is real. I'm like, oh, shit, okay, whatever. Uh, that's almost like when we found out that. Uh, okay, I got exactly who it was, but there was a oh, yeah, there's aliens, that area 51, and we're like, okay, cool, so what else? New mole people at the arm ball, the ground too Like.
Speaker 1:Well we were underreacting, like her, like me, did not care.
Speaker 3:But look and then, like the other thing that kind of got me on this movie too was fucking cousin male.
Speaker 1:Yes, dad, listen, this woman, she's type of woman that, yeah, yes, yeah, because she was wrong to Well, yeah, I mean she at least cousin male, never accused the protagonist of you know false accusations. Yeah, like she never went that far but she was a gold digger.
Speaker 3:So I'm like Different forms of evil.
Speaker 1:Grandma's damn, oh, I'm sure can I also talk about how the dude, austin bucks, said oh, this place is worth millions. You, you mean to tell me this shot, this, this seasonal novelty shop, is worth millions of dollars. And Jake was just saying they're like no, I love this job.
Speaker 1:You gotta keep it, grandma. You gotta keep it, grandpa. And see, that's my thing, I get it. It's best for Jake because, remember, this is a kid's movie and it's like Okay, I understand that Jake loved the um shop so he wants to keep around five by five. But my dilemma is if you knew that you could Like shit, you can relocate with that money, like all you have to do is relocate, you can do it, rebuild the shop and you can take. You would have both, but it's kind of they just wanted a location.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I can also kind of understand the situation into that one too. It's like one of those ones like what? Like with the movie up as well, where it was like, after a while, this, this particular place, builds those memories and shit, like she's had it for a long time. And the thing about it is is that grandma was very keen about that. She said literally she didn't want the shop to be sold, but she was keen about the fact that she did not want shit to happen while she was still running the shop. She wanted to run the shop until she passed away. She said once she died.
Speaker 3:Like grandma literally said once, if she once she had died and she passed it on, they could do whatever they wanted to do with the shop. It's no longer in her control anymore because it's no long, because she's dead, obviously Cuz a male didn't want to wait for that shit. She was so greedy as hell and was like, oh, I gotta get this shit right now. I didn't get this money right now. Now, this is why I gotta get right now. It's not even the fact that you write they could have relocated, but the thing about it is is that like at least on a grandma wishes and shit. And then you consider if that even male went so damn far as the fact that, like poisoning the shit to poison Customs, she was literally poisoning customers because she was just trying to get her to like forcefully sell the shop sooner and shit. I'm like that's some ruthless ass, shit like the hell. Yeah, let me not go and grab the customers into this. I didn't even do nothing.
Speaker 1:Now, if there was, if you were saying like, let me just, um, let me get all the rights to your shopping, whatnot, that would have been one thing, because I'm like, okay, so you just basically kind of put us out of business and you just take over the shop, and I'm like, uh, no. But if it was just a matter of, oh, we just want the location and y'all can like still have your shop, it just, we just want to build our little futuristic slay mobile in this location. Um, then I'm like, so you don't got any problem with relocating. I'm like, I don't know, I don't know, I just felt like Y'all could have had both. Like it ain't tell you, um, you're gonna never run the shop again. But I don't know. That's why I'm like this, this one of those movies to where it's like they Was doing something, and I don't hate the movie, but at the same time you can just tell that there was just like some clear problems. That I just don't understand. So that's why we're doing this video.
Speaker 1:But, um, cousin mill, the fact that she hit the note and then she tried to make frame Santa for be with manslaughter and blah, blah, um, even though Santa actually, uh, took grandma to okay, come on. This is why I would say that there is like some plot holes. That kind didn't make any sense to me. Why is it that Jake, he was standing out in the window. He was standing in front of the window watching grandma get run over by the reindeer and I'm like, did Santa scoop up grandma in time to, like Before Jake was even able to like run down stairs and try to check in on grandma, like she was just gone before he got to the door, or what was going on with that? Because, like, if he like Was standing there the whole time, what do you know that Cassana just took? Who Took him? You know?
Speaker 3:I don't know, oh, I don't think it was meant to be like something that was to heavily dive that much into. It just needed a little something to be like oh, this was cousin Mel's fault, she did this, and then that's what led the reindeer to come down and Grandma wanted to be in collateral damage and Mel just trying to take advantage of it, and stuff like.
Speaker 1:I don't know, it's like I think. So you visited this movie, it was almost like, uh, on one hand it kind of felt like I could have taken out at least some bit like A bunch of it, kind of felt like love to me. You know the whole part where, okay, it's been months since Uh, grandma's disappearance quote unquote like they she was presumed dead and whatnot, I don't know like at that point it's felt like that's when the movie got kind of slow. But then you know that's when you find out that old Santa had grandma at the north pole, because not only did she get run over but she also had amnesia and all that other shit. So there was that. But also now that.
Speaker 1:Oh gorg.
Speaker 2:I don't understand this. Don't Santa supposed to know everything, bruh?
Speaker 3:Well, he knows when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake and he knows when you're naughty and nice. He don't really explain it too much into the movie but an idealization.
Speaker 2:He knows where everybody lives at too, though I mean he never knows the location of everybody at every given point of time.
Speaker 1:It's like having omnipresence and omnivision, but it's like he's not all annoying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's not omnipotent. But he, he know niggas, know location, he know where to drop somebody off and he know where the nearest hospital is. I feel like there's other places, it's other steps. You could have took it like I said, took it but whatever. Back to the north pole, all the way to the north pole. Come on, man, he ain't using his critical thinking skills. I'm question.
Speaker 1:He was looking at it like grand theft auto twers like, oh I can't just drop her off to the hospital. They'll know that I just committed hitting run.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean you wouldn't necessarily be hitting run, but he definitely wouldn't know where to hit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what hitting, hit and run does it count in the sleigh? What's the? What's the long?
Speaker 3:yeah, is any any pull any vehicle that can be a motion, any like um thing, this emotion necessarily be emotional.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's just the thing. Um, that's just the thing.
Speaker 3:The reindeer pull.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it was like okay, I don't know how you feel about the rest of, but maybe you can enlighten me on this, but isn't it like when we talked about the wins that reviewed with Morticia Gomez and that thing that happened with, um, that one dude, um, that was like stalking morticia and even though they were exonerated from their quote-quote crimes, like technically they still killed the dude? But it was, we ruled it as a Half-baked dance at smock. You know, I think that's what was going on at the end, where okay says the reindeer Was just so drawn to the fruit cake, which I don't know why, it's like for some reason they were trying to make this fruit cake to be like all this. There was like reindeer nip in there.
Speaker 3:That's how they, that's how they, um, that's how they found out it was cousin meld. It did it because cousin meld Poisoned the fruit cake In. The poison wound up being something, something. The thing that was poison to people, wanda, being like a food, a tasty, like a reindeer nip, kind of like a cat nip type of situation for the reindeer. So the thing about it is is that that's how they found out is because cousin meld still had the poison on her, which you know by all movie villain logic. You must keep all evidence with you at all times.
Speaker 1:That's a fact. Wait a minute. Okay, so did she put this in the first time when she got, when grandma got run over?
Speaker 3:Yeah, she had put you put the poison. It was in the fruit cake because what had no. So what happened was is that there was two different fruit Cakes and grandma grabbed the wrong fruit cake by mistake Because they were like beside each other. Grandma just remember grabbing a fruit cake and then leaving because she was gonna drop it off somewhere, why she went to go pick up her medicine.
Speaker 1:No, no, hold on, stay with me. I have two follow up questions now. Did cousin meld assume that she was gonna let grandma gonna get hit by a reindeer or something?
Speaker 3:or no. Not the grandma because okay, no, continue. What's the second question?
Speaker 1:Good, okay, or Well, she just try and make this random plan to Poison a whole bunch of people and pin it on grandma.
Speaker 3:That's the second option, the second one.
Speaker 1:Jesus fucking.
Speaker 3:Christ lady, I told you that's what makes meld like that villain stuff she was so.
Speaker 3:Long-haul about the fact like rumor. I told you grandma said that when she passed away she was gonna give the shop away. She would give the shop up to the family. They'll be up to them what they decided to do onto it. And she wanted to give it to jake because she knew jake really wanted the Shop, wanted to keep it going. But the thing about it is is the fact she knows that he can't really make that decision type of thing and his parents weren't really keen on wanting to keep the shop either.
Speaker 3:Everyone was kind of just like it's time to go ahead and get rid, move on and get rid of it. So it wasn't too much that grandma could do about that and she knew that. But what happened was is that cousin meld didn't want to wait, she wanted the money right now. So she literally started poisoning grandma's food, the baked goods that she was making, to poison people. So that way they would stop coming to the shop because they would just think, oh, she must have just she must not know how to make it anymore, she must not be good at making it anymore, type of thing, and then people will stop coming. That's what I was saying. Meld had no reason to involve all the people like that. She was poisoning people.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing it jumps back to. Well, it jumps forward, actually To the courtroom. And, by the way, I like how the courtroom proceedings in this movie which was made in 2000, by the way Was way better than the courtroom proceedings I saw in belma. And she will combine and I will stand on that hill.
Speaker 3:The series of thing you saying in the same for belma. Obviously belma was just Fucking trash, obviously, but the fact that just I hadn't even seen she hope, but the fact that you're saying this is she hulk, and everyone kept complaining about the fact that she hope did not have like good lawyer for like did not feel like actual lawyer stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, but it was it was absent in that whole fucking.
Speaker 1:I don't think she even won an actual case in that, as fucking shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know how to say. I don't know how to say that.
Speaker 1:I don't even think it's worth your time. I think skin stano snapped out of the mcu anyway.
Speaker 3:They completely have now erased that out of the mcu, so that that's actually part of our use that we were going to talk about too.
Speaker 2:That's dumb, but yeah we'll talk about. I'm talking very newly they did.
Speaker 3:They completely erased that from From the mcu. Now there's no longer considered canon anymore. That's how ashamed that they are about the show.
Speaker 1:I'm like, see, it would be one thing. They said okay, we're not gonna do season two, I'm okay. Well, at least we still have season one, right? No right?
Speaker 3:But I got you as far as like the courtroom into it. Yeah, like I think the thing about is, when you think about for the 2000s, courtroom stuff was always like big and famous like you know, judge, law and order like a very big thing into that. Yeah, law and order, judge matters, like those shows were like big people like heavily watching that shit and stuff. So you're gonna make even in a cartoon, if you're gonna have a courtroom setting, you had to kind of like make sure you did it kind of right a little bit because we had those.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm gonna get ideas. I like how cousin Mel was like okay, she was now Coming clean about all the Um, miss, these that she done and she was like and I hate Christmas and all that caring and sharing and I had to poison all those people and kidnap grandma and pin it all on grandpa Whoever else I could pin it on so I can get all the money because I deserve to be rich. I'm like Based on what? Based on what?
Speaker 3:though this dumb shit. No one knows the funniest thing about it. Remember some of this, most of this idea, like most of this, was her, but she got the idea about how to do some of this stuff from her lawyer. And just a funny issue. You were just talking about. I am slime is the fucking lawyers name, and you just like.
Speaker 1:No, I like how hold on. Jake said you said, not me, and there was a literal pause for like one, two seconds and I swear to God, I think that one, two seconds was supposed to meant. Like you know, how would sitcom to have, like those sound boards where, uh, okay, cue the audience to laugh or applaud or whatnot I think they were waiting for like okay, this is the part where you laugh. No, stop that. We knew we get the joke, Just move on.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, no, that's like this. This movie was just kind of like it was just one of those ones that, just like those, enjoy enjoying holidays back in Susan me, like it's one of those ones that we go back and watch some of the shows that we watch as kids. As kids, we just enjoyed it because you're innocent and enjoyed it for what it was, even if you weren't really like fully innocent, if you had dealt with some stuff, you still had that childhood freedom and you weren't you weren't like boggled down by the being an adult and shit, so you was able to enjoy these little things like this. I did look it up. It is considered like just a television movie. Um, it actually did come, actually come out on VHS first before they put it on TV. Funny enough, but sorry, it was like now it's a, these kids.
Speaker 1:Oh no, what the fuck VHS is.
Speaker 3:True, but the thing about it is that it does still get reruns. It does come on every now and again and, from what I'm seeing, they're not showing it this year. From what I'm seeing onto that, yeah, they're not showing it this year on TV, so it's not going to. So if you want to watch it, I think now you, the only place to watch it is what Amazon Prime, I think. Oh, no, no, it's not even on Prime. Okay, so it's not on Prime. But you can order the movie from Amazon if you want to buy it. If you want to buy it, have it delivered to you. But no, it's not even. It's not even on digital.
Speaker 3:That's pretty funny, um, and the movie wound up. So it's funny. The movies got like mixed reviews because Internet Movie Database has some of the same complaints that you have made, jb. So with that, it winds up. It winds up. It winds up having a 4.5 rating out of 10. However, as far as Google reviews from people who actually watched it not so much critical, um, google reviews, and even on on Amazon as well is actually ranked pretty high, like. It's rated at 92% um liked on Google, and it's got a 4.7 out of five on Amazon.
Speaker 3:Well, that's pretty high to me.
Speaker 1:To me that makes sense because, yeah, I'm going to have mixed feelings about it, but at the same time, like I said, I never I never claimed that I hated it. It's just that look with my adult brain on, there's just some shit that can't let slide like I used to. So when I rewashed it and I was like hold the hell, but for the most part I still like it, I mean the fact that, like I said, I just gave a point for the way they handled the courtroom proceedings in the third act. So I'm like, hey, it has redeeming quality. So that's why, with the higher reviews, the higher ratings, I'm like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3:There's not one where grandma slept with Santa Claus. That's one of them. Remember that short story? We're like oh, hold on a second. Santa Claus came in the house and then, all of a sudden, there was thump, thump, thump happening in grandma's room. I didn't understand what happened.
Speaker 1:Hold on, this isn't bad Santa. Okay, we're not. I don't. I don't think we're going to review that one. Yeah, y'all seen that one of the words like they. Well, it wasn't like grandma or grandpa, but it was more like it was just my chick and it was just more Santa.
Speaker 3:Look there's. There's a new Santa Claus movie right now, I can't remember what it's called. It just recently came out. Whereas what is it? The dude boy had made a wish to Santa Claus that he needed Santa to help protect him, because Santa was delivering gifts at the same time the family was being robbed or something, and so Santa went on a murder spree and started killing all the people that was See. It's in the first little movies like this, though.
Speaker 1:No, isn't it funny how wait a minute did this movie come out this year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it did, it just came out.
Speaker 1:It's funny how, like, we just had a Thanksgiving horror movie and now we have a Christmas horror movie where it's like, yeah, a pilgrim going around killing people, now we have Santa Claus going around killing people. It's like, yes, it's just the year of horror movies, so every holiday needs a horror movie. Now what's next? Valentine's Day, 4th of July, st Paddy's.
Speaker 3:Hold on, hold on. So my bad, that just came out last year, my bad. Yeah, it's called Violent Night, that's what it was.
Speaker 1:I'm still standing on that because I'm like at this point every holiday has a horror movie.
Speaker 3:No, it's only Valentine's Day. This is going to be a horror movie with everything. That's just what it is. So but no, I mean, it's one of those ones Like, at least in this particular case, you had a wholesome Santa. You know, rudolph accidentally was attracted to the smell of the poison inside the fruit, inside the fruitcake, and then it's been off a whole bunch of random events that eventually led to Santa Claus finding his way in court and wanting to beat him because it really wasn't his fault. It was actually cousin Mel the whole time. And measure Mel would have gotten away with it too if Santa Claus wasn't flying at that right moment. Because, real talk, if Santa Claus had not been there in that area delivering gifts at that moment, cousin Mel would have won, like real talk. They would have had to sell the shop because Mel would have got all the money, all types of stuff. Everybody would have been very sad, except for her, who would have been really rich and took the money and did whatever. So bro.
Speaker 1:see, this is the shit I'm talking about to wear with my kid brain. That detail went way over my head, like whoa Mel was poison the food just to get grandma. See, here's the thing. It's like she was thinking, oh well, I'm just gonna poison them just a little bit just to convince them that hey, yo, we should be hearing. But it's like, what if that could have killed people? It's like you're willing to let a few people die, like don't, don't greedy people don't need whatever for money, man, that's just what it is.
Speaker 1:I'm like we don't need a. I'm sorry to say this, but we don't need a repeat of what happened with the whole Travis Scott burger. I think it was. I don't know what it was, but it was like something happened where, like something involved with Travis Scott, I think it would have burger people die. I don't know. I'm just saying we don't need anything. Okay, this is come on. Okay, the musical numbers.
Speaker 3:You mean the extreme country that ran over by a?
Speaker 2:rainbow yeah not just the main one.
Speaker 1:There was the one with grandpa, and I'm like, okay, it was kind of nice, but for some reason, once again I felt like the visual cues or the transitional cues was a little off, like it's almost like they just waited like two, three seconds before they transitioned to the next scene or the next piece of the next chocolate dialogue or whatever. I'm like. I am so surprised. I know, but it's like one of those things where I try to nitpick, but it's like something that I noticed now and I'm like I hate it.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's what I'm saying. I'm spending Christmas with the superstars. That's my favorite.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying I hate this song we had to take me to that school, though. I'm not saying the song was okay. I just didn't like the way that it just felt like the awkward transition to the song and I'm like okay. It didn't go on to the same like a Medea movie.
Speaker 2:It didn't just, you know it didn't fit in. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I can mention just really quick. So one of the things about keeping my notes of this you'll actually notice this happening for a lot of older cartoon movies when movies were on VHS. If they came out on VHS first before they put it on digital, they usually before they put it on cable. That usually means that they were they were actually playing the VHS tape and then recording it off of that, or they were playing it and then programming it out live. So because of that those radio signals were delayed. Visual signals, remember, like light moves faster than sound. So the thing about it is those radio waves were sending out at the same time that they wanted to have in the visual, had the visuals that were sending out. So the issue was is, yes, the sound cues were going to be a couple seconds late. That happened to like all animated, to like all old school animated shows, because one of those ones is like you. Just, you're going to know that, especially nowadays where it's much easier to get stuff closer to timing and make it easier and stuff when you're trying to send that it's just because of those signals. That's the reason why everything hit late. That's why a lot of times when you know those old school kung fu movies, when they were talking the mouth was off. Even if it wasn't just those movies, like just old movies in general, where it was like all of a sudden the sound would just be like a second or two second delay before it finally happened. It was just those audio cues. It's not so much that they were delayed from the actual show itself, it was the signal being sent out. It just received it kind of late because it moved slower. That was pretty much the reason why.
Speaker 3:But I understand what you mean and say If you actually watched the VHS. I didn't actually watch, I didn't actually own the VHS, but I did watch it because I knew someone who had it and when you watch it there's no delay into it. Like the sound actually is on point. It's just because of TV, because of old school television. It's better than that.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm saying that nowadays, because the advancements in technology, that's why I'm saying, even though I liked it as a kid, it's like you can just notice the age of the film when you watch, like, in fact, you know what? I wasn't really going to say anything like, because I'm not trying to brag or know it deal, but here's my thing. I just got the PS5, right, and I was watching more of it. Like okay, I was watching Norbit when I was using the PS4 and then when I got the PS5, I watched it again and, bro, I can tell the difference to where you can tell that Norbit was made in a time to where, okay, when you had like HD or you know, 1080p or maybe 2k resolution, and it's like, okay, it kind of made sense with the visual beats, you know the visual cues or the transitional cues and all that, it kind of made more sense back then, right.
Speaker 1:But when you get like 4k, 8k resolution and it's like, okay, it looks better, but at the same time you kind of tell that the movie was formatted or the tv show or whatever media that you think, um, it was meant for that particular resolution, brain rate or whatever. Uh, maybe at that time, but when you put it on new technology, it's like it'll look a little better. But you can also kind of see his age regardless, almost like, yeah, you might have like wrinkles or age spots on your face and you put on some makeup or whatever and you'll look younger, but like, at the same time, you have like high definition cameras and they can just pick up on everything. They can see all your pores and shit and you're like Jesus Christ. This is like he's just very telling online. I could just tell that my past and my present is just clashing and I'm like fuck.
Speaker 3:I get that. It's one of those things where it's like, like you said, when putting old stuff on, putting older things on, new technology becomes very different. Because this is why a lot of remasters tend to fail. It's because, like, you can't just put an old one on. That's why I like they always show those visuals like the visual changes when we remastered it. Here's the visual change and it makes that look like that line that swipes halfway across, so that way you can see the clear difference between this is the visuals now versus how it was back then and you're like, oh okay, this was a much better visual.
Speaker 3:But then there's also one of those things was like, don't just change the visuals, there's more that needs to be changed to it. Like the sound also has to be changed to it. Like, even when I say, when I watch um, like when I watch certain anime on my phone, you could choose the, the pixels that's on there based on your internet speed. And so it's like, if I choose, like you mentioned, like the 1086 listening to it, but like listening to it on the um, any video on, like, let's say, 350, it's extremely fuzzy. The sound sounds like it's coming from a stereo or something like that, even though it's coming straight from my phone and making one difference, moving from like 350 to like 720, just even just that one, automatically, completely, it looks completely different and the the sound quality immediately changes from that moment and it's like it is. It's very clear difference between how older technology is to modern day technology right now because of how quickly we advance on things. It's not good that. And so when you you apply that same thing, not just to the visuals and sound, but to like your memories as a child, there are some things that as a kid you were blinded by the 350, you were blinded by this film that was there, that you couldn't really see all that well, you just enjoyed it for what it was. And as you become older, you go back and revisit those childhood memories. They don't quite hit the same. It's like like real talk. I still love playing god of war, okay, and I I still enjoy playing, going back and playing god of war one and two.
Speaker 3:But man, there is a big fucking difference, like when you get used to god of war three, like let's just put it in god of war three, like before even the remake of kratos and, you know, going into the norse mythology. Let's stick back with greek mythology. God of war three every fucking thing is shiny as hell, like there's. If it rains, you can see the rain drops on the fucking ground. You can see they're like puddles. You can see his reflection. And when you run by puddles kratos, every time he sweats he's shiny as a motherfucker because you can see all like the oils and shit on him. You're like god damn, this shit's shiny as hell, like what the fuck? And then, just going back to god of war two, there's no shine to it whatsoever. Everything feels like a flat color with a little bit of shading to it, just like a complete flat color.
Speaker 3:The resolution is completely different, and then the game is also slower. Is it during that time, though, it was considered like fast, fast action, pace, like fast paced action? Is it like that you push the button and he was like moving for nowadays, like push the button? This is like it's almost as if the game predicts what your attack is going to be before you do it. So as soon as you push the button, that the attack was already kind of happening right before, like right before you finish pressing the button, it automatically started registering your touch per se, versus before, you had to wait till you actually push the button all the way down before the attack goes.
Speaker 3:So it felt like a whole delay. It felt slow as hell. You're like then you're pushing the button like five times. Why is why have to push the button five times for a three combo? What the hell's going on? You're pushing too fast. You're alive too much on modern technology, but you can still enjoy it. You just gotta enjoy it, for what it is is is what it was back then. It's not now. It's what it was back then.
Speaker 3:It's kind of what it's things into, like I still, like we know we said, we still enjoy the movie. It's still. It's still a fun movie to watch. Like I said, like you know we've talked about before we're talking you know professor tux talking about hey, we got all this different stuff that we go like, all these different movies that we all like to watch. I come up every single christmas year.
Speaker 3:The more you watch it, the nostalgia never dies. The minute you stop, you skip it. Like you skip it, even just one year, it won't hit the same, no more, because your brain isn't. It becomes enthralled as far as like, oh, this is a ritual, this is what happens every single time. This time happens. That means this is going to happen and your brain immediately locks in on this is what's going to happen.
Speaker 3:But if you skip a year, even just one time, it no longer feels the same. That's why therapy is the way it is. That's why rehab is the way it is. If you can get past that one moment of not having to do it and it can be rough sometimes but if you get past that one moment of not doing it, it completely changes your entire mindset. It's completely different and that's what kind of happens even for like movies like this. Like you know, we talked about this right beforehand. It was the last time we really actually watched this movie. The last time I've seen this movie really like before being an adult, of course, was when I was a kid and it popped up on Cartoon Network.
Speaker 3:It was this yeah it was like this and night before christmas, like being the number four with the black elf who wanted to rap. These two movies are the ones that would be watching every single year since 2000, like I would watch it all the way up to like 2000. I'd probably say 2008, because it would play it every single year, like eight years straight and play every single year. But, um, probably after about 2008 that's probably around the time I think I really had stopped watching tv like that because I didn't have cable anymore and it makes a big difference. So you go back and rewatch it. Then I'm like it's not hitting the same. It's been so long since I've seen it. My nostalgia brain is like, oh, nostalgia, yay. But then, other than that, I'm like it don't feel the same. It's okay, it's part of growing up. It sucks sometimes, but it's okay. You can outgrow something that is fine.
Speaker 1:It's fine to change yeah, but that's a not a one-time question. Some folks might be here today. It's one thing through a tradition, it's one thing to wear don't fix what isn't broken but when it's one of those things to wear, there's just some things to wear. It's okay to outgrow some things and at the same time, there's just some folks that have this sort of deep rooted, even though it's obsolete in this day and age or some shit like that, and it just doesn't work. But it works for you. It's one of those weird things where sometimes it's for the best to just move on. When you feel like yeah, uh, I just feel like it's weird to just I just not.
Speaker 3:That feels like I don't know, I don't know where I was at the ball with that um but a little loss in the sauce, it's okay yeah, I had a point.
Speaker 1:But uh, the whole thing about outgrow, I think it's like it was it just remind me of something that kind of bug me with, uh, some clothes where it just seems like, um, they're so stuck in the past it's like, um, they don't want to move on with time.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm getting that like I don't know.
Speaker 1:I want to hear, I understand, because some of the older stuff was actually pretty good, because at least then, uh, some of the older stuff um, pretty much set the tone for a lot of things that came after. But at the same time, I guess it gets really annoying when some folks just can't outgrow this one, I don't know, oh yeah, uh, when we talk about youth goals, and um, mel and her lawyer was discussing the plan of good night, their law cabinet I guess that's what they had and they were doing their little dance and I'm like, see, this is why it kind of feels weird how this, even though the theme is christmas, of course, but it kind of feels like a christmas special at the same time is not really, because a lot of the film takes place outside of the christmas season, but the events and the plot is centered around christmas, so it's kind of a christmas special and it's coming out at the same time. It's like it's like shooting through the cat, in a way. It's like it's open.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I don't know. I got you well, hey, let me go ahead and hit in with some little facts, some little fun facts that some people might know, might not know, specifically as well so, as we understand, so the this whole movie was based on the song.
Speaker 3:The song was written by Elmo Shropshire and Pat's Yep. That's the niggaz hey dude's name is Elmo, that's his name the husband and wife country duo. They're the ones who wrote the song, which is what that we are famously here into it. So the song was written back in 1979. It's been very famous for a while, but it was not until the year 2000 that we wound up getting a full release of an actual movie based on the song.
Speaker 3:So, first thing to understand into this, elmo Shropshire, the guy that actually is in the song, is actually the voice of the narrator and Jake's grandpa. So the person, the guy that you're hearing throughout the whole movie, is actually the country guy that actually wrote the song and sang. Even his wife the wife was not in the movie, it was just him. So Another thing as well is that, as far as like the musical numbers I know we talked about that as well the thing about it is is what happened with the musical numbers as well is that they really had nothing to do with the plot. There were actually supposed to be just random shenanigans that happened.
Speaker 3:Yeah so when you talk to me, it was specifically the musical is not supposed to fit along with the movie. It was supposed to feel random, it was supposed to kind of tune in just to the kids. You'd be like, oh, something kind of random happened. Yep, definitely the funny one of things about it so Spankenheimer, of course is the name of the family, the name of the family Funny thing.
Speaker 3:So one little fun thing about it is is the fact that throughout the special she is, she is referred to as cousin Mel. It's one of those ones where he is, one of those ones where they didn't want to die too much into it. But apparently there was supposed to be something further there when in fact, like cousin Mel should have actually been aunt Mel and Should have actually, instead of trying to think over her grandma's house, was supposed to be her mom's. Yeah, that was the whole point. She was, I guess, was really originally written to be auntie, but for some weird reason they kind of just changed it to cousin Not entirely sure as to why onto that, but apparently she was supposed to be the daughter of, of Grandma and Grandpa.
Speaker 3:So I don't know, they just changed it onto that one for whatever reason. Oh, also one funny little fun fact as well too. The inflatable Christmas tree was actually designed to look like the dr Evil design at his rocket from austin powers to spy. Who shacked me? No real reason, they just want fill. The director just wanted to do that.
Speaker 1:See, this is what I'm talking about with the whole musical thing is like I feel like they're just throwing shit in because, um, there was shit that was popping off and there's like, okay, we got to get our own shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so yeah, it's one of the ones like the musical thing was a big thing into it. Um, definitely was kind of critically hit that one of the pointless songs was mel and iam slime, her lawyer, having a little dance along. Sing along. I mean, if you ever want to do like the tom and jerry movie, not the more recent one but the older one where tom and jerry wanted to rescue the girl robin from um the evil, from her evil aunt and her lawyer who is trying to steal the money from her dad and stuff. I don't know if you ever want to talk about the movies, real old movie that one actually still lives up nowadays, like the story writing is still really good.
Speaker 3:Along with also the animation too, and the musical numbers actually fit along with the Damn movie.
Speaker 1:What was?
Speaker 3:again um tom and jerry movie.
Speaker 1:Sorry, right right right.
Speaker 3:But tom and jerry the movie, because it's different tom and jerry movies. The more recent one that came out that did not do well, but tom and jerry the movie, the one like the one where they were, like they, with the magician kid and the bass man.
Speaker 1:They were talking for the first time.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I've seen that one.
Speaker 3:So maybe even like we'll talk about that one time before, because that one had it was a prime example of musical numbers that Really fit well and had a good story writing into it. But yeah, the thing about it is is that the the songs were just supposed to be random, so it's like, yeah, it's just one of those things into it, but, um, I didn't want to get a hit, so we're considered lazy writing because the title song plays in the background with some characters. Um, I was quoting good lyrics after the singer states was going on. So literally there would be moments in the movie. If you were ever getting confused about what was supposed to be happening, the song was playing to help you, to help tell you what's supposed to happen in the back of the movie. Um, in the background.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing like that was a therapy for um pointed it out, but. But when I was trying to get ready for the twilight review that I wanted to do after February One of the things I know, I know, I know, but I have so much victory. Okay, let me talk about, since I mentioned delma earlier. With twilight, I could do a review on twilight. No problem with delma.
Speaker 1:That show was such a waste of my time it's beneath me to do a review on it. But that's beside the point. With twilight, there was one point to where, okay, billa became A vampire, right, she realized that, okay, it's, her life as a human is over and she now is living a new lifestyle, her voice narrating that shit, right. But then the scene was set to where the sun was shining on her or Body was glistening and all that. So, visually we can tell that, okay, she's now Trying to adapt to this new lifestyle. But if that scene is ruined, with the narration Telling us what's supposed to happen and that's the same thing that happened here to where these um musical beats is supposed to pretty much tell us what's going to be going on and I'm like we didn't really need it.
Speaker 1:But thanks, I guess that's all I'm gonna.
Speaker 3:I got you, hey, but, um, that's all I got. The only other thing that I probably mentioned is apparently the? Um. The last scene is actually supposed to be a ripoff of what is that Miracle on 34th street? Is it what? The most thing is actually just a ripoff of that too. This is true. This is true, jb. I sent you something, anyway, based on the um, what I read, because it was actually from a dude. This is actually from one of the movie critics, and this is a movie critic who was about our age. Um, you know it's nick, the movie critic. He has his own website where he criticizes different things and some stuff. It's mostly personal, so some stuff be like, but this was one of ones where he hit with some pretty straight facts on something. Um, but his final little conclusion onto that, jb, I sent that one to you. Um, he, his own words, says that as a kid he used to watch it, but as an adult he's like what the hell? Why did they make this shit?
Speaker 3:Sorry but were they high when they did this shit?
Speaker 1:Like I'm like bro, like when I I mean, I feel Validated that the fact that there were other critics that feel the same way. But I was just being genuine. I said that, amen, to be fair, I did like this movie and I still do. But it's like hey, yo like, is it me or this kind of seem like this movie just not hitting that much now that I'm older and no, sit now.
Speaker 3:It's one of those ones where you know, you know it's. The funniest thing is that, for a short period of time and this is actually a good point to mention this, it's probably my last point, because I know I got to get off so because I think we spent enough time on this movie- Um this is a film that was made off of a song.
Speaker 3:Bec did this Um as well. If you may recall, it was for a very short time. They had segments where they would take famous, famous hip-hop and rap songs and they would make short films Based on it. What? Yes, it was actually.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, there was tv shows, but I think it was like this one movie that remember, like this, like unlock, like oh, weird memory. It was like like 10 years ago. Um, there was this one movie, um, you ever heard of a beautiful soul by Dieter had.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, basically he's like okay, um, so they get this movie and the movie was honestly not bad. And you also have this song and I was like oh, I'm really digging the song. So I'm like so is the song? Is the movie based on the song or?
Speaker 3:I mean Thing, what it was that they all just want to be purple rain. Yeah, that's really all it wants to be the song. Have a song so great you've had a whole movie based on it, like he's movies based on purple.
Speaker 1:Not everybody can be the man mirror.
Speaker 3:Exactly exactly Now. Michael Jackson was keen on that. All his, all his fucking out like visual app man. All in video music Videos was movies his head. Short movies, things was Like 15 minutes. It was like four minutes long.
Speaker 2:The river was iconic, bruh. What's?
Speaker 3:every halloween. I think I think thriller was like 20 minutes long, like it was 20.
Speaker 2:You know control and dancing halfway through the.
Speaker 3:Had the literally had not only choreography, they had like actual lines, they had like stuff that they were supposed to say to each other. Yeah, like you mentioned man the mirror with eddie murphy bruh, like he had his little lines that he had to say this shit too. It's just All of them. But that was so great and he just kind of wanted to do the same thing for this and it was like, hey, it's turn this. I mean, they did it with rudolph's red nose. Reindeer rudolph was never. It was also so based on a song too. But uh, that that stop motion movie that they were before them was Significantly better because they it was simple enough to where they can make a whole story into it versus they just didn't work that well, for grandma got ran over by reindeer, just like. This was obviously something they kind of just quickly threw together.
Speaker 3:But yeah but no, like the bt didn't do that, like they actually, they had a short series where every episode was supposed to be a famous song and they would make like a short episode, like a 30, 40 minute episode Based on the events of that song. And it's like some people would get some of it you could easily catch up to, because if you ever, even if you didn't watch the music video, but if you knew the lyrics to the song, they would put some of those words specifically in the episodes as well. But it didn't last long because I think it was like what the first four episodes were like fantastic. They hit some really great songs and they fleshed out the characters on the writing and it was great. But then after those first four episodes it just wasn't great anymore, like the writers they have for them just wasn't good. And then bt wound up dropping the series. So I was like uh.
Speaker 3:So it's just like it doesn't always go well, like sometimes you can have some really good stuff that comes from music, but then sometimes just let music be music.
Speaker 1:Right, like it's okay to let things be. Let it be what it is you know yeah.
Speaker 3:But that's all that I have for this movie and I know it's about time for me to go ahead and get off. Oh yeah like this movie, bro, to be honest with you, to be honest, that's, that's all I'm saying, like for the most part we got to the main points already.
Speaker 1:Really, that's really good. That's, that's pretty much the whole movie, like If, if this movie was Like an hour long if I remember correctly, at least an hour long like really. It feels like it's been half the movie Watching filler and the main points was like sprinkled in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I feel that I didn't remember exactly how long.
Speaker 1:To be fair, Visually, you know art style and whatnot still holds up Um yeah. The musicals. Well, if you're in the country it's not bad, but I'm not really. I'm not into country that much.
Speaker 3:It ain't green Because in the fact that we know the music was completely random, I don't know, I can't really, can't really write how, on the music, on this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, the music don't fit as well as it should, the engines mold it perfectly for it.
Speaker 3:So yeah, it's not supposed to you, just supposed to be some random shenanigans. I'm like I guess.
Speaker 1:And, speaking of which, it kind of felt like the plot was kind of Evolved, like making this stuff up as it goes long, it's like okay, so you have this.
Speaker 2:Who's done it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like you have this whole who done it. And then next, you know, um, okay, you got a boo. Grandma is, uh, under Santa's care, and then she got kidnapped by because of melancholy. You know, yeah, okay um.
Speaker 2:Final rating Uh three out of five.
Speaker 1:I want to say 2.5.
Speaker 2:That is kind of high. I'm gonna say three just to round it up. Oh yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3:That's fair. I probably say 2.5. I'm gonna say that. Exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:The style is Because nostalgia gets the extra 0.5, but, um, being strict, I'll say it's, it's kind of mid-ground like it's. It's kind of I'm sorry, it's kind of me, but it's still a joy you got us to be kids.
Speaker 3:That's just what it's like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So, with that being said, that's one of our mini holiday specials. Ladies, gentlemen, thank you for listening to us ranting ramble to the end. You know the drill. We got links attached to the episode description. Happy holidays to whatever holiday that you celebrate. Eat well, be well, don't get greedy. Be nice, don't be.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, good list, not the bad list.
Speaker 1:I try to do it, but I like, bro, fucking friend from Fucking kills me, but a up real. So be nice, don't make that naughty list. You don't want to be like fucking princess. More bug remark, powerpuff, girls review, you know? Oh, with that being said, take it easy, stay nerdy, stay frosty. Some cool things are coming. We are zoning out.